OK guys, I already did he search, so no flames! Everything I found was kinda vague... heres the question: I want to swap a COMPLETE 22RE/R151/Dual case assembly into a Sammy. Will it fit?

I'm concerned with the length mostly, and will be using the Toyota axles with a hy-pinion front.

Having spent most of my time on the Toyota side I havent had to deal with the Sammy issues yet, but since the truck body is going and I have a free Sammy to build, I'll probably be spending more time over here. I'm already determined to do it if its do-able, no encouragement needed, but want to make sure the overall length will work. What size driveshaft will the rear end up with anyway?

Looking forward to all your comments and bashing for bringing up what I'm sure is an old topic, but couldnt find exact info from the search feature.Thanks in Advance!

Originally posted by RocKrawler
OK guys, I already did he search, so no flames! Everything I found was kinda vague... heres the question: I want to swap a COMPLETE 22RE/R151/Dual case assembly into a Sammy. Will it fit?

I'm concerned with the length mostly, and will be using the Toyota axles with a hy-pinion front.

Having spent most of my time on the Toyota side I havent had to deal with the Sammy issues yet, but since the truck body is going and I have a free Sammy to build, I'll probably be spending more time over here. I'm already determined to do it if its do-able, no encouragement needed, but want to make sure the overall length will work. What size driveshaft will the rear end up with anyway?

Looking forward to all your comments and bashing for bringing up what I'm sure is an old topic, but couldnt find exact info from the search feature.Thanks in Advance!

I'm starting that same swap ..well w/ a 20r instead of the 22re. keep us posted on the swap. mines really going to take some time...but it'll be sweet when done...good luck man.
:D oh yeah and Phatty..:flipoff2:..hows it hanging ....:D

i can't remember who has allready done it. i think its one of the guys that do t case adapters. thats it inchworm is the company name the guy has dual case toy running gear in a zook. do a search for inchworm. mike

Have you given any thought to extending the sammy? I plan on doing the same thing with a sammy and the entire drivetrain from my Toy eventually...

But I also plan on extending the Sammy to at least 100" (That's ~20" of stretch) and probably more like 110-115" - it'll make the drivetrain length and driveshaft angles more manageable.

I figure I can live with a wider turning radius in return for the incredible gain in stability this will cause... plus I plan on going mostly tube with the thing, so it'll be a lot easier than stretching the body.

...Anyway, just a thought.

Ammelk,

Where ya been? You've been lurking around huh, and staying on the Toy side. Ya biatch!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by fatkid
Ammelk,

Where ya been? You've been lurking around huh, and staying on the Toy side. Ya biatch!:flipoff2:

BEEN Super busy w/ work.. Medicare Reconsillyation going on. and not enough hours..well that and trying to strip the sammie to get ready to start selling parts...:o)
so ok back to lurk before my boss kills me again..he he..:flipoff2:...:laughing:..i got my fix for now..:zzz:...

Yeah, kinda tossed that around, but then I would just use the Toy frame that the drivetrain is already mounted into, and stretch the Sammy body to fit it for now. Want to do the tube frame thing later,but then wont need the body!

Basically just wanted to know if anyone has installed a FULL Toyota drivetrain with dual cases into a stock Sammy wheelbase and Toy axles yet and it worked.

I cant be the first one that wants to try this... can I?:confused:

It's been done.

www.4offrd.com

I think he ran some ARCA stuff in it before switching to the TJ tub. Full toy including dual t-cases.

David

The 4 offorad sami has (had?) an extended wheel base. With dual cases and a stock wheel base it <font color="Yellow"><b>WON'T</b></font> fit. the motor itself spans nearly from firewall to the hood latch and the tranny t'case is 38"s making it the same length as a stock sami tranny / divorced t'case set up. Add the adapter and the other half case and you're looking at no drive shaft in the rear and a full size chevy rear drive shaft to the front diff!

BUT if you want to throw a 4.3L in there and mate it to your tranny / dual case set up with an Advance Adapters set up it will fit with a slightly shorter than stock with spring over drive shaft in the rear.

Extend your wheel base and it'll all work out just fine.

Dave
AKA Shogunator

I know a guy who has done this. He used a 22Rwith toy tranny and a Marlin Crawler. He didn't extend the wheelbase at all and used toy axles too.:smokin:

Almost sounds like I sell the extra 23 spline T-case, swap a V6 and have at it... unless anyone has solid evidence it will work... ANYONE ??? Geez I wish the free Sammy was a LWB! Oh well, at least it was free! I really want to use ALL my existing drivetrain... Someone prove this can be done! :D

I swear, I've seen it done. The guy lives in Victoria B.C. in Canada. The truck is black, has an external cage and rides on 36" Swampers. I have a pic of the truck but not the running gear. I know he uses a toy rad as my buddy gave him one, he may have cut the hood latch out.

Any idea how long the rear driveshaft was? and it was stock wheelbase & dualcase?

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE MEASUREMENT FOR THE STOCK SAMURAI DRIVETRAIN LENGTH?

I need the front crank pulley to rear t-case output flange measurement if possible, mine doesnt have a drivetrain so I cant measure... ANYONE? Thanks in advance...

Terry

Well now that my divorce is going through I have had to put everything on the backburner for even longer.I'm sure that a non dual case is very possible but firewall mods are major.I have a lwb p/u that I want to put my toy drivetrain but with 2 sm420's instead of dual cases.I will relocate the rad to the box and shove the 22r up front as far as possible to avoid over modification to the firewall.Hopefully the guys over at OTT will make the adapter soon for the two tranny idea (HINT HINT test vehicle available close to you).Right now though money is not movable actually there is non there anyway but it sounds better that way:D .Hopefully I can get my crap figured out early and get to work.Read my sig if you can help.I do have tools it's just a drag to bring them home from work and you always forget the one tool you need.

I measured my engine, tranny, & t-case and it is close to 5 feet long, give or take an inch or two. I called a friend of mine in Victoria who knows the guy that built the sammy. He said it has toy axles( with toy springs, but he doesn't think the wheel base was changed ) and a front toy driveshaft in the rear. He is going to get ahold of the guy and get all the info, ie, driveshaft length, rad clearance, firewall clearance, front drive shaft used, engine mounts, and any other info that may help. By the way, he said it's the best Zuke he's ever seen in person.:smokin:

I'm going to get some pics of this guy's setup emailed to me to show you guys. But can I post pics or do I have to email them to one of you guys to post?

Flexlarson has that identical set up in his Sammi. An EFI 4 cyl, toy 5spd, toy case. Plenty of room for a dual set-up. Still leaves him with a 26 inch long driveshaft. I'll send him to this thread.

I measured my engine, tranny, & t-case and it is close to 5 feet long, give or take an inch or two. I called a friend of mine in Victoria who knows the guy that built the sammy. He said it has toy axles( with toy springs, but he doesn't think the wheel base was changed ) and a front toy driveshaft in the rear. He is going to get ahold of the guy and get all the info, ie, driveshaft length, rad clearance, firewall clearance, front drive shaft used, engine mounts, and any other info that may help. By the way, he said it's the best Zuke he's ever seen in person.:smokin:


I could really use some of those measurements and other info right now. Could you help me out? :)

Holy crap, bro, this thread is 2 friggin years old!

Holy crap, bro, this thread is 2 friggin years old!

I've been searching for 22R/Toy drivetrain swap info and propane swap info for 2-1/2 hours. I finally found a post that looks promising so I'm going with it.

Besides, it's a thread from the wayback days of really good tech.
:D

I've been searching for 22R/Toy drivetrain swap info and propane swap info for 2-1/2 hours. I finally found a post that looks promising so I'm going with it.

Besides, it's a thread from the wayback days of really good tech.
:D

Sad...but true. OF course, in all fairness, Sammi's are only about 3' by 4', so there's only so much Tech that can be tied up in them! :flipoff2:

I have a complete Toy set up, I'm sure you could fit it in a Zuk. However I've had to do some cutting in order to make mine fit the way I wanted it.

Well its all toy but the motor and bell. I will shoot you some measurements later today. on both drivetrains. this pic is of the 1.6Motor, bell, RingR, Toy w56 with dual cases. And it has been lowered 2" in th echassis and still has a flat bottom. the t-case output is almost in line with the rear x-mwmber, just shy by an 1" or so.
http://photos.zuwharrie.com/users/rockrat/motor_in_complete.jpg

Well i have the toyota 22r in my sami and the only real mods was to the tranny tunnel, I had to cut it down for the shifters, I dont have dual cases but i could if i had highpinion rearend, to help fight the driveshaft angles. My current rear driveshaft is about the same length as the stock sami one.

This is funny. I saw rockkrawler posting and thought it was a current thread since he is a Zuk owner again.

Anyhow I do not think you will be able to fit a Toyota drivetrain with dual cases into the Samurai wheel base, and run any sort of a respectable rear driveshaft and or lift.

Even with my 93" wheelbase I ended up moving the engine a bit further forward and lowering the t-case end of things to reduce the drive shaft angle for a simple spring over.

It is close, and I do not doubt that someone will do it, but I do not think it would be an ideal layout.

Here is my rear driveline after the above mentioned changes.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030624/waynes1%20054.jpg

Hereis the engine location in relation to the firewall. It had been a bit further back earlier in the build.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030701/waynes1%20077.jpg

and this is the rear axle location. More or less stock. Acually, I doubt you could move an axle this far back without hitting the fuel tank.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030701/waynes1%20082.jpg

-Wayne

Might as well add a couple of more images for you toyota people:

Yep, they get long.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030128/waynes1%20641.jpg

Engine is a Mitsubishi, but is similar in size to the Toys. (But so much more fun)
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030128/waynes1%20642.jpg

In the frame for early test fit.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030128/waynes1%20645.jpg

Looking at my old notes I show I had about 20-1/2" for the rear driveline.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030128/waynes1%20646.jpg

Then again I had a little scarry an angle on the rear pinion.
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030203/waynes1%20650.jpg

Plenty of room for the front driveline...!
http://rz-products.com/WAYNE/UPDATES/030217/waynes1%20684.jpg

-Wayne

I was thinking today that maybe if I moved the radiator to a rear-mounted location, and put the propane tanks behind the seat (above the frame rails), I could gain a few inches up front to move the engine forward. That would help my rear driveline by a few precious inches. And every inch counts in a Zuk. :D

I thought about the possible safety issue of heat coming off the radiator only 6" +/- from the propane tanks. I'm not sure how much of an issue it would be, but I'd rather err on the side of safety. So...

1) I could keep the stock crank-driven fan on the 22R
2) I could mount an electric fan to the radiator
3) I could make a sheetmetal shroud to shield heat from the tanks and help the fan funnel air over the radiator
4) The rear-mounted radiator would require about 10 feet of plumbing between it and the engine, which means more surface area for cooling


So am I a retard who's going to end up blowing himself up in a fireball or what? :P :laughing:

That's weird. The board didn't put up my post the first time

:confused:

I hit reply instead of quick reply. maybe that will update the 1st page in the forum.

I'd just drop the propane idea and run fuel injection. Better running engine with more power. Not to mention easier to fill up. But that is just me.

-Wayne