im gonna get some lockers and i cant decide which ones to get i like the idea of the arbs but tons of people run detroits..
So what ya'll think???

for the price of one arb you could be running two detroits, 'nuff said. Your looking at a lot of $$ for f and r arb's and compressor, think of what you could do to your truck with the money you save with the detroits:skull:

Hey-

Put a spool in the back- cheaper than a Detroit, but they have better street manners.

Use an ARB up front. I'm currently runnin' a Detoit up front, but a ARB is gonna replace it later this year. Having the ability to turn it on/off at the flick of a switch is a great advantage- I wish I had save up just a little more $$ and done it the first time around.

later

ARB's or spool rear and ARB front. That is what I would do if I were building now. But mine is not a DD. ARB or electric front is a lot easier on the front end.:cool: :usa: :cool:

arb

if you have the cash it is a no brainer.

I have been using arb's for about 7 years now. I had a full time locker before. I wouldn't use anything other than a selectable locker now. I love the ability to choose and I think they are easier on the drivetrain. If you are building buggy or trail rig only then spools and detroits are probably the best. If however you drive it, selectable lockers rule. I drive mine several hundred miles one way and for week long trips were I encounter different terrain. Also the only thing I ever had go wrong with my arb's has been "O" rings. Never stopped the lockers from working, just considered it maintence. So after all that soap box jabbering I guess that I'm trying to say I like arb's.

My vote goes to Detriots!!!! They are cheaper and easy to install. Everyone talks about street manners.....my truck already drives like a small truck with a little motor that has 6 in of lift and 35s. A little locker feed back doesnt really hurt the situation. That is just my opinion. I love my detriot.

detroits :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

everytime i go wheelin with my friends with arbs something goes wrong with one of them. A switch,wire , fitting,line,compressor,some stupid thing but my detroits always work. Dont need to worry if i gonna have 3 wd . I just like detroits better cause I have never had a problem.:D :D

Detroit's are the way to go. ARB's are like girls, really high maintanince. They always need attention. With ARB's you must turn them on and off all the time. If you don't turn them off you actually put more of a load on the axles when turning. A Detroit will allow one wheel to freewheel in a turn. ARB's won't do this when on.

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
Detroit's are the way to go. ARB's are like girls, really high maintanince. They always need attention. With ARB's you must turn them on and off all the time. If you don't turn them off you actually put more of a load on the axles when turning. A Detroit will allow one wheel to freewheel in a turn. ARB's won't do this when on.

hey Chris!!

a quick question-

maybe I'm to cautious when using the crawler gears. I've been trying to avoid breaking B'fields, twisting d'shafts etc., by shifting out of low/low when backing up or making lock to lock turns, just using the rear in two low- Is the twin stick type setup the way to accomplish the same thing an ARB would do? (IE: disconnecting the front drive shaft)

Later

Mark

Would detroits on a daily driver just be carnage on meats.


doesnt 4wpw have arbs for $650...is that for both or one..they show a pic and it looks like two.

or maybe im just stupid.

ARB's sold as one unit, each, only, single, uno :flipoff2:

and, not including compressor or tank.


yes, you do get accelerated wear on rear tires w/ a locker, it's worse w/ a spool. i put 350 pavement miles a week on my truck- but sure won't give up the spool for the extra wear on tires!

later

Originally posted by MOFUGRA
Would detroits on a daily driver just be carnage on meats.


That just gives you a better excuse to upgrade your tire size!! My truck is a DD as long as you are easy on the gas in parking lots, or sharp turns.....i dont think the wear is really that bad. Yes is wears slighty faster than with an open diff, but the advantages is the woods make up for it quickly!!:D

Originally posted by CRAWLTOY
detroits :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

everytime i go wheelin with my friends with arbs something goes wrong with one of them. A switch,wire , fitting,line,compressor,some stupid thing but my detroits always work. Dont need to worry if i gonna have 3 wd . I just like detroits better cause I have never had a problem.:D :D crawltoy do you have detroit F&R and burfs if so how long have you had it that way and how many burfs have you broke????never mind i just read your stats D60 that makes a difrence i think with burfs it would be better to run a ARB w/D60 detroit.wouldent you agree??

I like the simplicity of the Detroit and the cost compared to the ARB which is why I have one in the rear of my truck. Yes, my truck is a DD that I drive back and forth to college every day. Have not had a problem with the Detroit, and tire wear seems very negligible.

Originally posted by crawlintoy
for the price of one arb you could be running two detroits, 'nuff said. Your looking at a lot of $$ for f and r arb's and compressor, think of what you could do to your truck with the money you save with the detroits:skull:
:question: :question:
Arb's $650 each............$1,300
Detroits $450 each.......$900

how is your math??????
a detroit in the front will only break the birfs........

do it good the first time, detroit in the rear, and ARB up front. Iv'e running this combo for many, many, years never a problem just keep the psi to the arb between 60 - 70 lb. when i first put them in i put about 100psi down to the locker and blew the seals, but that was about 15yrs ago. the other nice thing is NO BUMP STEER.

I ran my detroits for years on the street w/o any problems tire wear etc. On the trail I broke one birf then made the mistake of switching to birf eliminators and I busted both with in 3 trips.

Originally posted by SeaBass44

:question: :question:
Arb's $650 each............$1,300
Detroits $450 each.......$900

how is your math??????
a detroit in the front will only break the birfs........

seabass, if you would go to 4wpw website (www.4wpw.com ), you would see that:

Detroit EZ locker - toyota 8" 4 cyl = 283.95ea. or 567.90 for two

Detroit soft locker - toy. 8" 4 cyl = 427.93ea. or 855.86 for two

ARB selectable locker - toy. 8" 649.95 ea. or 1299.90 for two, plus ARB air compressor - 200.95, which gives you a grand total of 1500.95 to go ARB.

so twice the price of 2 ez lockers is way less than ARB price, twice the price of 2 softlockers is a little over ARB price, plus you get reliability to boot. No the math was not perfect down to the cent, but pretty darn close. Your problem is your just too damn critical!:eek: :flipoff2:

$20.00 and a bit of fabrication alternative for the $200.00 ARB compressor.http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=227344

What are the odds of taking out the detroit too when you bust an axle or birfield? How about an ARB?

You can find ARBs for 579 if you look.

No opinion, just wondering on the detroit axle break situation.

Ron

i have a deyroit in the R,and a trutrack in F,if $$is a problum i would do this again, but i can not wate till i have the $$ to put ARB in the F:D

Check your prices on ARB's boys...

I just ordered one from www.rustysoffroad.com for $590 (plus $20 shipping) for my Dana 60, you can get the Toyota one for $570 plus shipping - so screw that $650 price you guys are quoting :p:p:p

ARB up front is the only way to go.

If you can't manage to work the ARB button to know when to turn it on and off, you are an IDIOT and probably can't count above 10 so I am not too worried about you :p

Fact is, they SAVE birfields, and most who run front ARB's break LESS than those who run front Detroits.

How about Toy electric lockers?

Originally posted by OPP'S
$20.00 and a bit of fabrication alternative for the $200.00 ARB compressor.http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?s=&postid=227344


Cool idea, strange, strange mounting location....... :D

com aawn! he didn't say ez lockers! u fucked up, it's not 1/2 price u winnie:flipoff2: stop tring to get out of it. and you didn't say "with air 1/2 as much:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

go with the toy elec locker up front and detroit in rear

toyota locker completely assembled 800.00
rear detroit 400.00

Originally posted by duane85runr/72fj40
go with the toy elec locker up front and detroit in rear

toyota locker completely assembled 800.00
rear detroit 400.00

where? moded front housing to? I don't think so:flipoff2:

for starters what is a MODED housing

if you are wondering about prices auto-direct.com will get you to sterling toyota who is selling complete assembled hi- pinion elec lockers for 747.00 plus wiring harness for 21.58 bought mine yesterday

the rear call drive train direct and tell them to match 400.00 and they will

Originally posted by duane85runr/72fj40
for starters what is a MODED housing

if you are wondering about prices auto-direct.com will get you to sterling toyota who is selling complete assembled hi- pinion elec lockers for 747.00 plus wiring harness for 21.58 bought mine yesterday

the rear call drive train direct and tell them to match 400.00 and they will
ok the el will not just bolt up to a 8" housing front or rear. it need modified. good prices though. I would still go arb, not sure how strong the el is, no one is beating on one with big tires on the roks yet...

fair enough- i'm changing from arb to the elec locker in front mainly for the hi-pinion i'm hoping for typical toyota reliability- the price was to hard to pass up

Originally posted by duane85runr/72fj40
fair enough- i'm changing from arb to the elec locker in front mainly for the hi-pinion i'm hoping for typical toyota reliability- the price was to hard to pass up
is your price for a high pinion el? u know they are not all hp.

yes! i already bought one for another 4-runner from inchworm but i beat his price by $96

part#41110-60370

I know of two detroits that have broken when axles or berfs brake. I have never heard of a arb braking. I run arbs front and rear and like them alot. I definetly think the front arb saves axles. detroits will unlowed with a bang and put a lot of stress on axles too.

Originally posted by crawler#976
ARB's sold as one unit, each, only, single, uno :flipoff2:

and, not including compressor or tank.


yes, you do get accelerated wear on rear tires w/ a locker, it's worse w/ a spool. i put 350 pavement miles a week on my truck- but sure won't give up the spool for the extra wear on tires!

later

Me either, I love my spool. Mostly for the slick windy roads that I drive on to the trails in teh winter. I know what it's going to do, no guesswork. I can drive accordingly with no suprises. I put about 225 pavement miles on my truck a week

Originally posted by Randy
I know of two detroits that have broken when axles or berfs brake. I have never heard of a arb braking. I run arbs front and rear and like them alot. I definetly think the front arb saves axles. detroits will unlowed with a bang and put a lot of stress on axles too.

In theory, I know that it doesn't always work this way, an arb or easy locker should break before a detroit becasue they retain the stock carrier. The detorit is a full case replacement that has a full case to support the loads placed on it. Carriers have a lot of open space and they can and do break. To avoid breakage, the best bet is a spool (for rear ends). Camo is the only one that I've heard of who has broken one (twisted the splines out).

Originally posted by Wilson
In theory, I know that it doesn't always work this way, an arb or easy locker should break before a detroit becasue they retain the stock carrier. The detorit is a full case replacement that has a full case to support the loads placed on it. Carriers have a lot of open space and they can and do break.

You really don't have a clue about ARB's do you :rolleyes:

Do a little research before you post something like this in the future, will ya? :laughing:

Originally posted by Wilson


an arb or easy locker should break before a detroit becasue they retain the stock carrier.

arb does hu???????

ARB's are the only way to go front and rear especially if you drive it on the road. The compressor OPP'S showed you came out of a Cadilac probably. Older cads with are ride suspension have those compressor in the front driver's side corner of the engine compartment about $5-$10 at a pull yard. You can attach hose directly off of the nipple on the black canister and go into taks from there. I don't even have $20 into my and I run two of those caddy compressord.

OOOOOps!!!!!!
The last time I bothered to check they were that way and was a big deciding factor for me to not run one. Arb's are full case replacements. But what I said is still true for ez lockers, gearless lockers, etc. I did see someone mention those and their price and I remember the seabass giving him shit for the prices he quoted. I still don't like the fact that arb's are air operated. I've seen and heard numerous complaints about them failing, which is the best reason to not run one in the rear, unless the vehicles primary purpose is driving around town because if it fails, it won't be on your way to the grocery store!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Wilson
OOOOOps!!!!!!
The last time I bothered to check they were that way and was a big deciding factor for me to not run one. Arb's are full case replacements. But what I said is still true for ez lockers, gearless lockers, etc. I did see someone mention those and their price and I remember the seabass giving him shit for the prices he quoted. I still don't like the fact that arb's are air operated. I've seen and heard numerous complaints about them failing, which is the best reason to not run one in the rear, unless the vehicles primary purpose is driving around town because if it fails, it won't be on your way to the grocery store!!!!!!! :p :p :p :p ;) ;) ;) ;)

I was misinformed about arb's they have always been full case replacements. I am done with this topic and will bow down admitting that I'm an idiot and will stick to what I know.......spools and detroits.

go arb, I have the rear welded in my 4runner and wish I had an arb so I could unlock it when on the street.

Most arb failures/problems are owner/operator error. I'm not saying that they are perfect, but they do need maintenence occasionaly. Everyone is willing to keep hubs and every thing else that needs some occasional maintenence. If you mention that an arb needs some attention once in a while and they freak out. I don't get it. Oh well.

Originally posted by locrwln
Most arb failures/problems are owner/operator error. I'm not saying that they are perfect, but they do need maintenence occasionaly. Everyone is willing to keep hubs and every thing else that needs some occasional maintenence. If you mention that an arb needs some attention once in a while and they freak out. I don't get it. Oh well.
could you explain what maintenence needs done?

If I had a dollar for every stupid newbie question asked like this.I would be richer than bill gates.

Ok heres the deal.If you drive you stuff on the street and can afford arb's by all mean go with the arb.If you on a budget and are a weekend wheeler and only drive you rig sometimes on the street than get a detroit in the rear and arb up front.If you really short on cash spool the rear and arb the front when money comes in. The fact is that detroits and spool(welded diffs) are going to cause more your tires to wear down faster because they willl turn on or will allways be on when you drive on the street.An arb locker can be turned off and on with the flick on a switch so with arbs you can have the best of both worlds.




Oh yeah welcome newbie.:rolleyes:

%99 of the problems with arb are because someone cut conners and did a crappy install job. If it is installed by a good shop and you run steal hose lines instead of those cheap plastice one you should never have any problems. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by Heepkiller
%99 of the problems with arb are because someone cut conners and did a crappy install job. If it is installed by a good shop and you run steal hose lines instead of those cheap plastice one you should never have any problems. Hope this helps.

I know, I just want to hear locrwln's tips:D

If youve got a dana axle, the ox locker looks like a nice solution. completely manual selectability without relying on air or electricity.

http://www.oxtrax.com/

I had a detroit in my stock 8'' rear. It always had tons of backlash and finally broke my rear shaft. I didn't get a chance to wheel that weekend. It broke in two wheel drive on the way to the campsite. Now i have a dana 44 in the back. My opinion would be to run an ARB in the rear and a Detroit in the front. I've driven w/ detroit rear, spooled rear, and open rear. On the road there is nothing like an open rear( If it's your DD). In the front, an ARB acts as a spool while turned on. A detroit has mechanism that engages and disengages when you turn. There will be times when you want to be locked and turning at the same time. It seems to me that a Detroit would allow for easier turns while locked.

Originally posted by dirtgreg
If youve got a dana axle, the ox locker looks like a nice solution. completely manual selectability without relying on air or electricity.

http://www.oxtrax.com/

I didn't see a $$$ for these on there website???