Is there any seasoned Jeeper pirates working on a "Frequently asked questions", or "Fawkin already answered questions" sticky thread for the Jeep forum? I seen one over on the Yoda forum (don't have a Yoder but was looking anyhow), about 63" chevy spring swaps. Apparently the topic was being brought up so much someone wrote up a thread instead of wasting another reply saying "fawkin newbie :flipoff2: :flipoff2: ". For example if someone did a FAAQ on trannies, there would not be 300 posts on what tranny can be used between a 304ci and D300. I have a lot to learn about Jeeps, and I think this forum is the best one to get my research to a seasoned status, and even I am sick of the same posts over and over. I just got here and already see the pattern. I'm at one with the search button, but for crying out loud, try searching for something like dana60 and see how many posts you get about someone wishing they had one or finished.
Shaggy

So we just say, "go read the fawkin' FAQ" instead of "go fawkin' search."

I fail to see the difference...

Jake:flipoff2:

Then you don't use search very often. If there was an FAQ for these catigorys (engine, tranny, axles, t-case and misc. to cover body cutting and other various procedures) then If I was trying to do a dana60 swap, I would click on axles then dana60 and learn all I need to know. If I type in dana60 in search I get 96 threads to sift through, only some are actually from the jeep section and of those 80% are some dude saying "see, look what I can do". No wonder we newbies ask so many questions and waste you seasoned Jeepers time. I'd say 75% of the newbs have no desire to be detectives. Also maybe 60% are in the house long enough to get an answer, then its back to the Jeep to work on it again. Less time in front of the stupid computer and more time working on there priority hobby/lifestyle. Heres another deal. You search for something, and all you get is another newbie asking the same question and a fellow Jeeper that knows replying with a :flipoff2: :flipoff2: . Did you even go read that FAQ on the Yoda board? If you did you'd see the difference. I know crap about Toyotas, but I now know how to put 63" ers on one. Thats how much it helped. Thats what gave me the Idea to suggest it to a thread that I actually give a chit about.
Shaggy

Look Newbie,

If YOU'd read the Jeep talk mission statement (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1223) You'd have noticed that the last entry was:

81. This should be considered college level for wheeling Jeeps, so don't post kindergarden level topics.

We shouldn't HAVE to educate fawkin' newbies on shiat like that. If they're too lazy do some searching (not just on POR, but on Google or any of the THOUSANDS of other Jeep sites on the web) or too damn thin-skinned to take a little ribbing when they ask a bunch of asinine, dumb-assed, entry-level questions, we don't want 'em around whining anyhow.

It's not like the POR BBS is the only Jeep site on the web. There are plenty of other great Jeep sites with TONS of basic information about the basics. They can find out the basics there and come back when they want to know about beadlocks and cutting brakes and '60s and shit.

Gawd.


:flipoff2: ,
Jake

You got a good point. I was just trying to help eliminate the "stupid" posts you hate so much. But if no one is willing to step up to the plate and take care of the issue, don't bitch about them being there. I read the mission statement and almost right off the bat broke one of them. It took reading a few posts to realize the issue. The mission statement was what sold me on this forum. If you sift through all the know-it-alls ripping on everyone, you can even find usefull information here. The topic I searched this morning was Dana60 axles. I spent an hour and a half digging and all I really got was a good list of donor vehicles here http://www.patooyee.alloffroad.com/Dana/By%20BoMN.htm
If this is what kindegardners are researching, then we all belong on JU. I could have finished my research with FAQ write up. Oh well, not like anyone uses a discussion board to be productive anymore.
Shaggy

Hell Shaggy, if you try too fix it all, what will us ornery old timers have to bitch about.
Even the repeated assinine questions get answered, most times. Just gotta take a little flack for asking.

Originally posted by CJ-5shaggy
I was just trying to help eliminate the "stupid" posts you hate so much

No! No! No! You got me all wrong! I don't hate them at all. Actually, those kind of posts serve a valuable function. :D

A stupid question gets posted, the guy gets flamed, and then one of two things usually occur:

1. The newbie gets offended, runs off (tail between legs) and never posts again.

2. They accept the rebuke as good-natured ribbing and think twice next time they post. They lurk and learn. If they have a basic question they look elsewhere.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people being informed (I write technical documentation for a living), just let them learn the basics elsewhere...


:D,
Jake

P.S.
:flipoff2:

Jake,
That was very eloquently put. Concise yet thought provoking. :D

Dude, you just brought me to an even higher understanding of this forum. I think what you said should be read by every newbie. That makes perfect sense. It even almost worked on me. In fact H8monday was the one that pissed me off, and I almost gave the site the big :flipoff2: , but I stuck with it and now maybe I can get some decent work done to my Jeep.
Shaggy

H8monday, I'm not trying to ruin any of your fun. Hell why don't I take your porns away while I'm at it. :beer: Ever consitered a round headlight swap??

Originally posted by CJ-5shaggy

H8monday, :beer: Ever consitered a round headlight swap??

Shaggy,
That really hurts, round headlights on my beast? Have you no shame.
I glad you hung in there when, I was pissin you off, but I only call em like I see em.

Originally posted by H8monday


Shaggy,
That really hurts, round headlights on my beast? Have you no shame.
I glad you hung in there when, I was pissin you off, but I only call em like I see em.


ha ha ha round head lights, i think that would make your rig soo much better... roflmao... :D :flipoff2:

Originally posted by H8monday
Jake,
That was very eloquently put. Concise yet thought provoking. :D

Why thank you H8. :D

Shaggy,
That really hurts, round headlights on my beast? Have you no shame.
I glad you hung in there when, I was pissin you off, but I only call em like I see em. H8monday

Hey, if I ever built a YJ, that swap would come before the engine, axles, t-case, and cage. The rounds make it go faster you see. Better areo-dynamics, than square. Plus I have yet to see one like that.
Shaggy

Come awn!!! Can you really imagine this killer beast of a machine sporting volkswagon bug eye'd headlamps. What next tie dye.
Your killin me Shaggy.
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/53-600524-MVC-022S.JPG

you know you want the round lights..... just tape your square ones into round... :flipoff2:

or hell when i make it out there, ill do it for ya, without you knowing... lol

Originally posted by badassjeepguy
you know you want the round lights..... just tape your square ones into round... :flipoff2:

or hell when i make it out there, ill do it for ya, without you knowing... lol

Hahahaha, a little black paint in the corners, that would be funny,....:confused:,...on someone elses rig.:mad2:

When do you plan on making it out here? Tierra Del Sol is coming up.

fawk, not this year..... waiting for that xtra weeks vacation, i need it for the drive out and back........ ill make it as far as arkansas this year, gonna go play in the pro rock comp......

Dang dude, I've never seen your rig before. Sweet. But VW headlamps you call them? I think there are more rounds from factory then there are square. I wonder why Jeep went back to them? By the way, remember that other forum we were arguing at? If you were in Washington, taking the windshield off and leaving no top on would be last on your list, not that that is necessarily part of a build up. I'm into that army netting look though, I was thinking about that earlier. I was thinking about raiding an army surplus.
Shaggy

Originally posted by CJ-5shaggy
Dang dude, I've never seen your rig before. Sweet. But VW headlamps you call them? I think there are more rounds from factory then there are square. I wonder why Jeep went back to them? By the way, remember that other forum we were arguing at? If you were in Washington, taking the windshield off and leaving no top on would be last on your list, not that that is necessarily part of a build up. I'm into that army netting look though, I was thinking about that earlier. I was thinking about raiding an army surplus.
Shaggy

I realy dont care about lights either way, and I really think the square lights look good, hell its part of Jeeps heritage.
What I care about, is strength, reliability,safety and performance. And Form does follow function in a Jeep.
Windshield and top you say,..again I think youve misjudged what I consider a rockcrawler. I like to wheel all year, that means snow, rain and cold.
So here ya go
http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/53-647820-MVC-021S.JPG

So have I changed your stereotype yet?
Not to wide, can be fitted for foul weather, very strong, reliable, street legal, almost completely self contained(welder, OBA, ac power) and I can compete with even the best tube frame buggies in the rocks. It did well at CalROCS this year, and I will continue to compete with it (I hope very successfully this comming year),including Pro Rocks, CalROCS, possibly WCC, and at least one ARCA.
Like I said, a well built rig should be able to perform well anywhere.
Shaggy, dont take my arguments, with you as a personal assault, fact is I think you argue your point well, I just dont think youve seen enough of my type of rig, to really know what you are comparing to.

H8 - love the pics dude! REALLY like your rear fender treatment, and I love the black and white

But I have 3 suggestions
1) a big ass sticker or lisence plate reading "Tube Smasher" or something, to dis the tube frames...(I was going to say "tube eater"...but on reflection that's bit off side!)
2) Get rid of those fancy schmancy beadlocks and get some real mans Rockstompers
3) Seriously this time....I don't know all the details on your setup, it's just a looks thing, but could you move the front axle forward a bit, or is there a reason not?

Originally posted by BillaVista
H8 - love the pics dude! REALLY like your rear fender treatment, and I love the black and white

But I have 3 suggestions
1) a big ass sticker or lisence plate reading "Tube Smasher" or something, to dis the tube frames...(I was going to say "tube eater"...but on reflection that's bit off side!)
2) Get rid of those fancy schmancy beadlocks and get some real mans Rockstompers
3) Seriously this time....I don't know all the details on your setup, it's just a looks thing, but could you move the front axle forward a bit, or is there a reason not?


The front axle has been moved forward 6" from stock. I have the steering box moved forward as far as it can go and its still cramped up front, with the hydraulic ram, tie rod and drag link. Bob Roggy fabbed me some rear tie rod steering arms, and we are gonna work on some trick steering swag, next week. I dont know if I will move the front axle much though, aamybe an inch or two, but, I really like the way the 105" wb is working.
dang, i cant believe your diss'n my beadlocks, they are the baddest wheels in all the land, I love those things. They are kinda reminescent of swords in the spokes of the Gladiators chariots. Come Awn!!!
Maybe a "TUBEINATOR" sticker, will find it way on the rig :D

H8monday, I agree that a well built rig could perform well anywhere... I hope I did not come off saying otherwise. At first in our arguement I was talking about axle width, but then I realized that the full width axles really hurt the full size trucks more than Jeeps. Because when you have full width on a jeep, the body width is still the same and tight trails can be manuvered. Just not as easy as a standard width ride. There are a lot of Washington trails that full size trucks do not even look down. Trails that have 6" of mud on them and are lined with 150 foot evergreen trees. There just is no room, and no room for sliding around. My point to my arguement, was simply this. You take a common Jeep build up, and parts of that build up are going to be different in different parts of the country. In most of Montana, why would you need crawling gear ratio. It is flat there full of farmer fields. In Washington, a T-18's first gear with stock T-case gears is low enough. You can go SOA but the hills are muddy and you often end up sliding down sideways if you break loose. There are large tree roots and rocks that often stop your slide. (bad place for SOA). In parts of Alaska, it is often snowy. lockers and spools suck in the snow. (or at least packed down/icy stuff). A well built rig WILL perform well anywere. But that doesn't mean that everyone has the same idea of what a well built rig is. It depends on where ya live.
Shaggy

Well geeze Shaggy, if you lived in Downtown Hollywood, the noise from offroad tires might annoy your secretary, and the decreased steering radius from having front wheel drive, might complicate parking to the point that the best 4 wheel drive is really, a 2wd Honda.
And again you dont seem to understand, the capabilities of a well set up rig. You eluded to the fact that, steep side hilling would be a handicap because of an SOA :confused: , trust me a well set up SOA, can side hill as well as any suspension out there, Ive had that argument and settled it many times on the trail,(usually as an uphill anchor point for some stiff suspenioned SUA). Detroits are plenty controllable in the rear axle of a Jeep in any snow condition, and an ARB up front gives you the best of both worlds, ( I lived up at Lake Tahoe for 2 years, so I know by experience). And low gears in Montana, believe me if you install them in a rig anywhere, you will find how usefull they are, if you go off road regularly, hell for that matter, use em to yank out some of those damn tree roots and rocks you were talking about. And if you have the HP to use your high range, there is no down side.
And remember this is an extreme off road site, so the 2wd Honda will not be the rig of choice, under any condition,...even in Downtown Hollywood.

H8, Your talking about detroits and ARB's, I'm talking about Lock-rite, because a lot of guys can't afford Detroits or ARB's. If your tires both spin on ice or packed snow, they are then useless...period. Its your driving style that allows you to drive on snow with a locker, not the locker. I wouldn't even mess with ARB air lockers, but that is just me. I don't like air lines unless it is pumpin up a tire or running a nuematic tool. Low gears in Montana?? Come awn.... Anything that can be done with 4.1:1 can be done with stock t-case gears and granny low there. Save the $700. Same goes with Washinton. (northern Washingon may be exempt), they got some crawling trails up there, but then again they are muddy so can you crawl or not? I could use some low gears to pull out rocks and roots, but why? Thats what makes the trail hard/fun, and I'm no excavator. Plus the root to a 150 foot evergreen tree would take a lot of chainsaw time. SOA on a side hill... I see no issues. Until the Jeep is sliding sideways and comes to an abrupt halt. Happens alot. Actually my buddies rig is SOA rear and SUA S/R up front, and we flopped it on its side just going through a simple V cut trail. The Jeep ended up bouncing back on the wheels though. The vehicle behind us was 4" SUA with 401ci. No tires left the ground. With wider axles he may not have done the 2 wheelin action but it was a pretty lame V-cut. Anyhow, I don't think by your reply to my last post that you are ever going to get it. And I suppose you think the same about me. Oh well, I'm just trying to have some weekend warrior fun, and I'll build my vehicle the way it best fits me, and the terrain I drive it on. If I don't build it like the masses, then who cares. Mines different, and I did not waste 2 grand on an un needed atlas that has gear ratios I'd never use. Don't get me wrong, I might use those gears, but only 5-10% of my wheeling time. It does not seem worth it.
Shaggy