Looks like I will be building the 800 into a trail rig instead of the SII. I am wanting to go SOA and since I am changing springs anyway, I wanted to know what you guys found to work.

The scout is a 71 800B with 304, BW, and dana 20. I am sticking with the IH engine, puting a 727, j**p 300, and hy-steer SII axles. I am going to run 34x9.50's, so I don't need more than the lift gained from going SOA.

I did a search but didn't come up with too much info on the 80/800's. I know Ben is running Pro Comps, and Scout Dude doesn't like the 44044's because of the lack of engine weight......any other issues/suggestions?

What are you guys running on the rear?

Mark

I use Land Rover (or is it Range Rover?) rear springs. I think they were off of a 110 model. They are 11 leaf and they are unbelievably flexy. ~46" long centered pin and 2.5" wide. I'm sure that they are actually measured in CM or something, but fawk it. Also, my buddy, Matt bought a set of 44044's for his Heap and they sucked for him too. I recamended that he remove a leaf like I plan to do. Well, his are finally softening up and he might put the leaf back in soon.

Another buddy with a 64 also bought 44044's all around. He had his old mounts cut off and they put these on...however, due to the Non-shackle reversal, it was too short in the front...something to keep in mind.

Have a good one:)

Originally posted by makkat
Looks like I will be building the 800 into a trail rig instead of the SII. I am wanting to go SOA and since I am changing springs anyway, I wanted to know what you guys found to work.
Mark

Uh oh.. what's happening to Eyore, Mark?

The 800s *do* seem to be more receptive to big tires.. at least in the rear. Those big wheel wells that only need the outer panel trimmed to fit.

Just like a J**p or Bronco. :D

Check out some '74+ wagoneer front and rear springs. I think they might be a good way to go, cheap, common, shouldn't give much extra lift, and should flex very well.

Look for the 5 leaf or 7 leaf front springs. There are also 2 leaf fronts, I would skip those.

I reallly like my YJ 4" procomps in the front, but I think they would give you too much lift. My rear springs are a work in progress, I'm going to try something different soon (read: someday), but they work OK for now.

Originally posted by Scout Dude
He had his old mounts cut off and they put these on...however, due to the Non-shackle reversal, it was too short in the front...something to keep in mind.


I plan on doing a shackle reversal at the same time, so I can address any differences in height between the springs used front-to-rear.

Originally posted by tsm1mt
Uh oh.. what's happening to Eyore, Mark?


I think he would be better suited for a DD/light tow rig. Besides, I have to do something before you. :flipoff2:

I originally had the 7 leaf std waggy springs...these were way too flexy for me also--which is why I went with the 2.5" lift versions (44044). There are also 7 leaf HD versions. they may be too stiff runnig all 7 leafs, but you could always pull one leaf. Something else worth mentioning--Waggy main leafs bend REAL easy. Make sure that you keep them clamped to at least the second leaf.

Originally posted by Scout Dude
Another buddy with a 64 also bought 44044's all around.

Did he go SOA when he swapped in the 44044's?

How much lift did he get out of the springs?

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Originally posted by makkat
Looks like I will be building the 800 into a trail rig instead of the SII. I am wanting to go SOA and since I am changing springs anyway, I wanted to know what you guys found to work.


Snoopy has the stock springs on it. I extended the WB to 102.5" and SOA'd it w/ Scout II axles. I got 1st place at the RMIHR RTI (Modified Class) by going up the ramp 101-102 inches. The next runner up in my class was SII with buggies driving up 88 inches.

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You could change the springs but why? If you've got the good thin leaf packs leave them alone.
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Screw around with it if ya'd like. But if I were to use other springs I'd use Darango springs. They are 22/32 slit ~ so your wheels get off-set.

Originally posted by Snoopy


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if I were to use other springs I'd use Darango springs. They are 22/32 slit ~ so your wheels get off-set.
And you would fit 54" springs on an 80/800 How?...they would never fit correctly(semi level).

Originally posted by makkat


Did he go SOA when he swapped in the 44044's?

How much lift did he get out of the springs?

Yeah..everyone I mentioned went SOA..no reason not to for a wheeler...too easy to get lift and flex at the same time.

BTW, this nets enough lift to run 35's...hopefully with no fender trimming(I cut mine before I even tried)

A friend of mine Dave Rudnick used stock scout 2 springs on his 1970 V8 800, fronts on the front and rear on the rear, i think he gained 3" of lift with them and his SOA, its enuff to clear 38" boggers with some major fender triming, he just got it together and it seams to flex great with the floor jack, haven't seen it on the trail yet.

Originally posted by Snoopy
You could change the springs but why? If you've got the good thin leaf packs leave them alone.

Biggest reason is I have a V8....plus the rear springs are already flat, even with the AAL the previous owner put in. I don't see the stock springs lasting too long in a SOA.

Originally posted by TERRA-IZER
A friend of mine Dave Rudnick used stock scout 2 springs on his 1970 V8 800, fronts on the front and rear on the rear,i think he gained 3" of lift with them and his SOA, its enuff to clear 38" boggers with some major fender triming

That was the original plan. I hope to be able to run the 34's without any trimming. I guess it will just come down to seeing if I can find any of the 44044's cheap, a set of stock wagoneers, or use one of the many stock SII's I have laying around....

Originally posted by Scout Dude

And you would fit 54" springs on an 80/800 How?...they would never fit correctly(semi level).

It can be done. I know cause I did it, and my wheel base is still the stock 100"!! :D :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2: :D

Originally posted by Curtis


It can be done. I know cause I did it, and my wheel base is still the stock 100"!! :D :flipoff2: :D :flipoff2: :D

Well then my Scout must be magically fawked up cause my 44044's (46" overall length) are the longest spring that you could mount (w/SR) and still have the spring level...as it is, my spring eyes right now have about an 8" difference between the front and rear--I'm correcting this this week though;) . I could see how you could use longer springs in the rear though..but 50 some odd inches is still a stretch.

BTW Curtis..how come you didn't extend your WB?..your rear is already hacked enough to move axle back a few inches

Originally posted by Scout Dude

And you would fit 54" springs on an 80/800 How?...they would never fit correctly(semi level).

The same way I'd make Scout II spring fit. Once your going to do custom mounts you might as well use the best springs possible. The darango springs allow you to offset the axle forward and gain both approach and departure.

But like I said. I'd use stock 4-cyl springs or go linked.

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Well then my Scout must be magically fawked up cause my 44044's (46" overall length) are the longest spring that you could mount (w/SR) and still have the spring level...as it is, my spring eyes right now have about an 8" difference between the front and rear--I'm correcting this this week though;) . I could see how you could use longer springs in the rear though..but 50 some odd inches is still a stretch.

BTW Curtis..how come you didn't extend your WB?..your rear is already hacked enough to move axle back a few inches

I'd bet it is the shackle reversal that is the problem on your's.

I wanted to move the rear back, but in an attempt to keep it easy, it just worked out that it was better to leave it where it was.

Yeah the SR does seem to make a lot of things more difficult...drive shaft, springs, caster, etc...but at least I don't bend springs.

The funny thing is, my rear 46" springs flex better than most longer springs that I have seen...and my old stock 7 leaf waggy's were even better than my rear LR springs. It's not always the length that helps....In fact (getting up on my soap box) why the fawk do the Yota owners go through all the trouble to find and put on 63" springs and then attach a goofy leaf, 3/4 elip. whatever you call it? That's seems a little redundant to me. (stepping down from my soapbox)

Have a nice day!:)

Originally posted by Scout Dude
Yeah the SR does seem to make a lot of things more difficult...drive shaft, springs, caster, etc...but at least I don't bend springs.


Yes, that is a big benefit from the SR.

Originally posted by Scout Dude

The funny thing is, my rear 46" springs flex better than most longer springs that I have seen...and my old stock 7 leaf waggy's were even better than my rear LR springs. It's not always the length that helps....In fact (getting up on my soap box) why the fawk do the Yota owners go through all the trouble to find and put on 63" springs and then attach a goofy leaf, 3/4 elip. whatever you call it? That's seems a little redundant to me. (stepping down from my soapbox)

Have a nice day!:)

Oh, without a doubt. I could have left all my spring packs in their original form with all the heavy duty crap that Chevy likes to put in there, but I only used those I wanted. The result is an extreme amount of flex (perhaps more than I had planned for). The nice thing is though that I can go back and add some leafs if I decide I need it where these people who do the goofy setups have to go back to the drawing board and rework everything.

I use Land Rover (or is it Range Rover?) rear springs. I think they were off of a 110 model. They are 11 leaf and they are unbelievably flexy. ~46" long centered pin and 2.5" wide. I'm sure that they are actually measured in CM or something, but fawk it. Also, my buddy, Matt bought a set of 44044's for his Heap and they sucked for him too. I recamended that he remove a leaf like I plan to do. Well, his are finally softening up and he might put the leaf back in soon.

Another buddy with a 64 also bought 44044's all around. He had his old mounts cut off and they put these on...however, due to the Non-shackle reversal, it was too short in the front...something to keep in mind.

Have a good one:)

I know this is an old post. Hope you are still around. What did you need to do to install the Rover springs?

Thanks

Cut all the old mounts off and weld on new ones.

Cut all the old mounts off and weld on new ones.

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I know this is an old post. Hope you are still around. What did you need to do to install the Rover springs?

Thanks

It's amazing that I even saw this as I hardly ever check here...The Rover springs are roughly 2.5" wide so you need to cut the old mounts off for sure. BTW, my Rover springs are now being used in the front as my rear set up is now 4-linked.

It's amazing that I even saw this as I hardly ever check here...The Rover springs are roughly 2.5" wide so you need to cut the old mounts off for sure. BTW, my Rover springs are now being used in the front as my rear set up is now 4-linked.

I'm glad I got lucky then. Thanks for the reply. I have a 69 with a 65 body, Cummins 4bt, NV4500, NP205, Dana 44's front and rear. Previously I mounted a set of Scout Madness 2.5 lift springs, but they started to sag in about a year and now it leans a good inch or more to one side. Since I need to do something pretty bad at this point I started looking at options and saw your post. I'm aware the Rover guys swear by parabolic springs and was thinking about them.

http://www.parabolicsprings.com/springs.html

Can you post some pics of the springs installed?

Thanks

Chevy 52" (rear springs) work good, too. 2.5" wide. 26"/26" center pin, take off the overload spring. Cheap and easier to find than Rover springs.

The frame is the same width ~3" as the spring w/bushing, so it's pretty easy to cut off the old mounts and add new ones where you need them.

Check out some '74+ wagoneer front and rear springs. I think they might be a good way to go, cheap, common, shouldn't give much extra lift, and should flex very well.

Look for the 5 leaf or 7 leaf front springs. There are also 2 leaf fronts, I would skip those.

I reallly like my YJ 4" procomps in the front, but I think they would give you too much lift. My rear springs are a work in progress, I'm going to try something different soon (read: someday), but they work OK for now.


I'm happy with how my stock wagoneer front and rear springs sit, I reversed the rears for better departure angle but my scout is currently just a storage device in my garage.

Chevy 52" (rear springs) work good, too. 2.5" wide. 26"/26" center pin, take off the overload spring. Cheap and easier to find than Rover springs.

The frame is the same width ~3" as the spring w/bushing, so it's pretty easy to cut off the old mounts and add new ones where you need them.
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I used 56" rears in the back and 52" rears in the front of my 63. Amazing flex for leafs.

How's the 44's holding up to the 4BT?

The 44's are holding up fine to the 4bt. It weighs the same as a 304 IH. Problem is they sagged when I had a small block Chevy installed. There has been no change in them from the chevy to the Cummins.

Rover 109 springs are 34" front and 44" rear. For now I'm going to have the weak spring rearched then later possibly swap to 4 Rover rears.