Hi guys I need a cheap fix for my 96 Disco-
here's the story-
I bought some used big blue springs for a 4 inch lift- my local tire store sold and installed rancho shocks. I mounted BFG 265/75/16
on it. Now I have two problems:
1. Even after fender trimming I have tire rubbing and decreased turning
2. my shocks seem to be too short as one keeps slipping out.

I have had to pour serious $$ into my beloved disco for all sorts of mechanical problems so I need some cheap fixes and free advice. I would like to get bigger tires, add a new axle and a rear locker but for now I can only dream....

i'm not trying to offend you, but your post is :rainbow:

2. my cawk seems to be too short as it keeps slipping out.

Oh for fawk sakes... go see Discoweb.... Oh what the hell.

>. Even after fender trimming I have tire rubbing...

Where are the tires rubbing??? If it is the fenders cut MORE :rolleyes: If the shock towers or springs you need less backspacing. If on top, longer bump stops or body lift.


> and decreased turning

Rims with less backspacing.


>2. my shocks seem to be too short as one keeps slipping out.

WTF??????? These are magic shocks then. If you put 4" lift springs in, you would require modified shock mounts as a minimum to retain some down travel... Plus caster correction and bling, bling driveshafts. Maybe explain a little better what you've done and what the problem is.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Not to be a dick or anything, but I think you need new spark plug wires.

Don't let these guys get to you.


The aswer to both questions is simply......









BACON



-Jeff

You guys are rough.

You sure they were 4 inch lift springs?

Damn, and I thought people were supposed to be nice in this forum. Anyways, what do you mean by your shock slipping out? Is it pulling off the bushing or somthing? I had that problem on the rear of my TJ and switch shock brands (same length), I am now a much bigger fan of bilsteins than douch-tech.:D

Originally posted by Harry Johnson
Damn, and I thought people were supposed to be nice in this forum. Anyways, what do you mean by your shock slipping out? Is it pulling off the bushing or somthing? I had that problem on the rear of my TJ and switch shock brands (same length), I am now a much bigger fan of bilsteins than douch-tech.:D
:rolleyes: It was moved from a tech forum.

Originally posted by Harry Johnson
Damn, and I thought people were supposed to be nice in this forum.


NEVER noob :flipoff2:


I would reallt love to see a pic of a shock slipping out. I can only imagine that he means the coils. If the coils are falling out then long bump stops, shorter shocks, or clamp them in place....if you really do mean the shocks then step away from the crack pipe.

Ok, so Im not quite sure why some of you all have to be assholes. Any way in regards to my shock popping out, it's the bottom bushing which I repaired by putting on another washer. I went to a garage to have all of this suspension stuff done the right way and unfortunately the guy didnt do it right. I want to know if there is a way I can fix the problem without spending a ton of cash. On the subject of the tire rub I will cut the fenders some more but its cutting into the outside of my tires.
I figured you all would be able to give me more creative advice than discoweb.

well if your shocks are limiting your droop so much its pulling the bushings out of the shocks. Then as far as i can see you only have 2 choices. Depending on compression you either need to move your upper shock mount up . or get longer shocks.



And as far as some of us bring assholes :flipoff2:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/images/welcome1_images/blank_message_block.gif

If you noticed on the home page this is an EXTREME rock crawling site. But some slack has been given becuase this is in the newbie section.

If all else fails then you can do something similar to what 4crawler did on his Toy with a trick (for lack of better words) double shock set up. It tuff to explain but the main shock's top mount is bolted to another shock for increased travel. But its not quite that simple.



Or am i backwards is compression pulling your shocks out.

Well nobody starts out extreme and that isnt really an excuse to be rude... Any way so Ive been looking at relocating the bottom shock mount but you think the top would be the one to do? this is only happening on the rear shocks. The guy who installed all of this has since gone out of business...hmmm I wonder why???
Any way being a chick who is now obsessed with wheelin' I know I have a lot to learn thats why I turn to you guys....

. Any way in regards to my shock popping out, it's the bottom bushing which I repaired by putting on another washer.

first problem - washers don't hold in shocks. second problem - you haven't specified if its the front or the rear, but they're both a post mount on the bottom so it don't matter.

we still don't know what you mean by "popping out". unless the stud is stripped and the nut is gone, the only plausible conclusion is that the bushing is splitting in half and flying out from inbetween the retaining washers, but you said "slip" first, "pop" second, and definitely not "split". :confused:

the people over here pride themselves on their ability to innovate and wrench on their own vehicles - as in fabricating entire trucks from scratch. installing bolt-in replacement shocks is pretty low on the tech scale, and the fact that you paid someone else to do what is generally assumed to be a simple procedure didn't bode well for your reception.


I figured you all would be able to give me more creative advice than discoweb.

if you're serious about off-roading and modifying your disco hang around. you have a good rig to start with, and if you have the determination some time spent here can help you in the sport. it would be wise to invest some time browsing the forums and using the search utility to get a better sense of what is and isn't appropriate in each of the sections.

if you can give us more info on your shock problem we can help you - as it is we need some pictures or something to go along with your description. there's a wealth of info on susp. setups in the rover tech forum you just need to search.

as for the tires rubbing you just need to trim more of that inner fender lip. that size is wider than the more common 235/85 that tuck nicely into the wheel wells. as a rule of thumb trimming is better than lifting.

AFAIK big blues come in a max. 3" lift, and settle down to about 2 after some use. this would explain the rubbing.

stock rancho replacements from a tire shop are going to suck ass. they are likely as short if not shorter than the stock shocks. your best bet would be to take them off while they're still new and ebay them, and replace them with a good set of OME or Bilstein bolt-in shocks. do some searches before spending any more money, and you'll save yourself some headaches.

good luck -

isaac

Thank you, that was much nicer of a reply. I would love to learn to do the stuff my self but I thought I would be safer having a professional do my first mod. I will run home and get the camera.

Originally posted by discochef
Thank you, that was much nicer of a reply. I would love to learn to do the stuff my self but I thought I would be safer having a professional do my first mod. I will run home and get the camera.

I do apologize if I offended you but you have to realze where you are. I kinda under stand your problem with your truck but we need a better description with maybe some pics.

:flipoff2: you notice he is smiling. It's not rude. It more of a welcome noob.

take some pics and post them. Well wait you dont have a star. Email them to me and I will post them for you. But your description was pretty vague. Hang around lurk, read, and learn. There is a world of info and some of the most knowledgable guys in the sport on the board.

BTW you need thicker skin :flipoff2:

Isaac you have mail

i'm not seeing the problem :confused:

the upper mount in #3 does look squished off to the side - using a couple wide, flat washers to retain the bushing in place might not a be a bad idea. is this what you were referring to earlier with the washers?

#1 and #2 look just fine to me - except for the existence of the sway bar. you'll flex a lot better without the rear bar. front is stiff enough that it doesn't make that much of a difference, and the spring-rate on the big blues is soft enough that you would probably be better leaving it connected.

as 'runner pointed out above, you've lifted your truck now w/o compensating for it in the shock mounts. quite likely you're bottoming short-travel ranchos out and putting a lot of strain on the bushings and hearing weird noises.

check out RoverTym (http://www.rovertym.com) for a shock relocation kit. give them a call and tell them the shock model # and they can help you from there.


I would love to learn to do the stuff my self but I thought I would be safer having a professional do my first mod.

seriously - no offense is meant, but you're probably better off at dweb. you can also find some really good folks over at roversnorth.com on the bbs area.

cheers

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#2
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Originally posted by SeaRover



as for the tires rubbing you just need to trim more of that inner fender lip. that size is wider than the more common 235/85 that tuck nicely into the wheel wells. as a rule of thumb trimming is better than lifting.

isaac

;)

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Still not sure what the shock problem is. A little more explanation would be handy. The shocks are meant to retain the axle by design so are meant to hold everything. If something is coming loose, there is either an install error or the wrong shocks are being used.

Do you really have a 4" spring lift??? Because if you do, you should NOT run stock sway bars, suspension links, shock mounts and driveshafts. Could you let us know which specific springs were installed. Are there any other suspension mods. What shocks were put in (specific model).

On the clearance. What rims are being used? In any case 265/75/16 will require a fair bit of trimming. As Old Scout states, it exceeds the available width. If you really don't want to trim, I'd change to 235/85 or 245/75 both fit a lot easier.

I see what you are talking about now. I was imagining a loop type shock and not a post. I see where it can pulll through now, and where the washer was missing. If the axle is pulling down that hard you need longer shocks for sure. If thats is not in thwe budget then some limit straps. They can be had for about 10-12 each.

Tires rubbing where are they rubbing again. Front wheel, back wheel, Front of the fender, back of the fender, top of the fender.


shock I would take off the boopts. experience tells me that the boots just water, mud, sand and whatever else in there against the rod causing it to rust. Which will accelerate the detioration of the shocks.

Alexa you only have a 2 inch lift, if you had a 4 you would have more clearence. It is only 2 about, maybe 2.5 inches at the most.