I think I blew a CV in the CrewCab this afternoon. Heard a bang, crunch, rattle rattle rattle, and had a hard time steering it on the way home. It wanted to steer in one direction only, then loosened up, then would only steer part way...classic.

I've got MaxiDrive inner axles, an ARB and the 1-ton CV's (2522's I think). They were original to the truck (50K miles or so).

I'll tear into it tomorrow and see how bad the damage is. For now I'm gonna swap on the whole knuckle/rotor/axle assy. from my old '90 RRC to get it driving and steering again.

I WANT to try to do this relatively economically and time is of the essence. I have 2 trips to Moab next month and I need to sort out some other stuff and not worry about the CC.

Ideas? Thoughts? Complaints?

Thanks to JasonM for seriously bailing me out of a jam.

:D

Hopefully he'll post some pics. I urged him to bring his camera when I walked to his house to beg for a rescue.

:flipoff2:

Well it had to happen eventually with the weight of that thing :D

Chances are the inner axle splines will be pretty rough if the star has broken, but you could be lucky, and I know people who have just filed them back and wacked a new CV on with a BFH but your choice.

IMO you have 2 options for reasonable cheap easy repair/replacement.

(1) - replace with AEU2522 and replace inner axle if damaged

(2) - replace with a longfielded hilux (yota minitruck) CV and get a custom axle made. This would probably be not much more than (1) if the inner is beyond repair.

Oh and greetings from Germany...

Here's another idea to throw into the mix. A buddy of mine just bought a set of CV Unlimited's front axles/CVs for $1200(expensive, but let me finish) 1st break you get a free replacement, second break is 1/2 cost, after that you are on your own. Now for the interesting part, the inners are 24/27 spline 300M so I think they may be using stars from toyotas in the CV. If this is the case you could later modify the spindles to accept a toy cv and run longfields(cheaper/stronger than rover cvs). In the end you have a limited warranty on the inners and have cheaper stronger CVs to replace if you can break them. No affiliation, and I don' t even like CVs anymore but worth consideration IMO.

Tis

PS- You will reduce the diameter of the inners a bit(1.24 maxi-~1.18 CV Unlimited but these don't seem to be failing first...yet)

craddocks has the generic 2522's for about $100 (48 pounds) a pop, ~130 US or so delivered IIRC.

fwiw

See page 2 of "I screwdapooch" :D

You suck...


:flipoff2:

Knee deep in caliche...

Call George at RDS, he usually stocks the non-genuines for a pretty good price (haggle his ass). They usually break on the axle side of the CV, so they make a nice fuseable link.

Billster

Georgy no havie.

:(

Got the stock swivels/knuckles/rotor/cv/axle combo installed on the right side (the side that was REALLY bound up), and went for a drive around the block.

My neighbor working in his garage next door asked me what the banging noise was when I pulled in.

I noticed it too, so proceeded to swap the drivers' side too.

Came in, cleaned up, posted this, and now am getting ready to go for a Big-Gulp run/test drive.

We'll see how it goes.

Originally posted by Serious One

Ideas? Thoughts? Complaints?

Thanks to JasonM for seriously bailing me out of a jam.


I didn't realize that Jason was a BMX kid?

It does beg the question though......What were you doing?

-Jeff:flipoff2:

Originally posted by SeaRover
craddocks has the generic 2522's for about $100 (48 pounds) a pop, ~130 US or so delivered IIRC.

fwiw

My pile of extra 2522's came from craddocks, Bill R. got a few also!

TomW

Hey Tomw,

How often do you end up breaking the 2522's with those 37's??

I heard you and TomW got the remaining supply of 2522's.

You guys have any you wanna get rid of?

Hey Mike,

If you are in a real bind I do have a spare and will be in vegas for the NAB conference on the 18th. I could bring it for you. The problem is I only have one spare and 37's myself sooooo...:nuke: is never far away.

You have your spare, so you should keep it.

I'm going to tear into those axles right now and see what I've done.

I went for a test drive and luckily I have no R&P damage. I installed those stock knuckels/axles, set the pre-load on those too, and all is good (for now).

Realistically I will have to be VERY gentle on the truck if I engage 4wd. I can only imagine how long those components will last with that much weight.

I'm starting to think I ought to put the Dutchman axles from the Serious One into the CrewCab then put Toy axles in the S1.

Hmmm......

I think you need a Rover9 to match your Sals rear :D

Originally posted by Serious One

I'm starting to think I ought to put the Dutchman axles from the Serious One into the CrewCab then put Toy axles in the S1.

Hmmm......

Bet I know someone that can help with that ;)


BTW, why would you think I was a BMX kid?????


:confused:

And you still suck :p

BTW, anyone else notice that the first pic is during the daytime and the second pic was during the night???


:uk: It sticks good ;)

Originally posted by Jason M
BTW, anyone else notice that the first pic is during the daytime and the second pic was during the night???

That's because you're so damn slow!

:flipoff2:

Or, that the rescue vehicle was a Ford. :D

Well, my fears were confirmed. The right side CV blew up pretty good. Here's some pics.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/spindle.JPG

The spindle and flange.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/spindle2.JPG

Not sure what to do about the spindle. The brass bushing is shot all to heck. Dunno if you can get a replacement? The rest of the spindle looks fine except for the bushing. Ideas?

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/shatteredbell.JPG

Chunks of the bell.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/bellcrack1.JPG

A crack that didn't get enough of a chance to finish shattering.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/bellcrack2.JPG

Another view of a fledgeling crack.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/star.JPG

Intact star with gouges.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/outerspline1.JPG

Outer spline of Maxi-Drive short side axle.

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/outerspline2.JPG

Another view of the same. What do you guys think I ought to do about all the gouges in the axle? Should I get it machined and/or polished to take out the stress risers? Can I do it with a flap disc and some patience? Should I just run it?

http://tawayama.com/gear/crewcab/brokencv/stubaxle.JPG

Lonely stub axle. I think I can rebuild it with some Chrysler mini-van CV guts.

:flipoff2:

Yah, spindle bush is normal replacement item. $10 or so.

That is a classic example of the CV being far too brittle... you could benefit from some Longfields.

Originally posted by Serious One


That's because you're so damn slow!

:flipoff2:

Or, that the rescue vehicle was a Ford. :D

I bet the ford would not have blown a cv :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jason M
I bet the ford would not have blown a cv :flipoff2:

You're right. The Ford didn't blow a CV.

Thanks again!

:D

Originally posted by Jason M
BTW, why would you think I was a BMX kid?????



Last time Mike did some urban wheeling he broke a drive line and had the local bmx kids help him get unstuck.

-Jeff

Hate to tell you , but you prolly could have salvaged the spindle and the inner axle (although it is not that bad) if you had pulled the CV right when you broke it. Driving on a munched CV generally tears everything up. You need to check your top and bottom swivel pin bearings for pieces of the CV. I buggered my top bearing surface and had to replace the whole ball assembly.

Lesson from all this:

Always, always, always pull the hub apart if you suspect a blown CV, no matter where you are or what time it is.

I wish someone had told me this before I broke my first one.

Billster

ps. On the axle I would prolly lightly smooth it with the flapper and run it. Or keep it as a spare.

Why didn't you unlock the hubs and put it in 2wd?

Originally posted by 64rovr
Why didn't you unlock the hubs and put it in 2wd?

He did...

Has anyone tried a Dana 44 front from a early 80's dodge?...
My buddy has one sitting in a rusted out ramcharger....I don't know its draw backs but it stood up to a 360 engine with a plow...It's offset to the correct side, and looks like steering would be an easy hook up....just would need spring mounts, and drive shaft....

Originally posted by 64rovr
Why didn't you unlock the hubs and put it in 2wd?

it still gets munched during turns.

Nice carnage! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by GreenPig


it still gets munched during turns.

Nice carnage! :flipoff2:

You still dumping your volvo's?

Originally posted by muddyrover
Has anyone tried a Dana 44 front from a early 80's dodge?...
My buddy has one sitting in a rusted out ramcharger....I don't know its draw backs but it stood up to a 360 engine with a plow...It's offset to the correct side, and looks like steering would be an easy hook up....just would need spring mounts, and drive shaft....

And new rims...

Originally posted by muddyrover
Has anyone tried a Dana 44 front from a early 80's dodge?...
My buddy has one sitting in a rusted out ramcharger....I don't know its draw backs but it stood up to a 360 engine with a plow...It's offset to the correct side, and looks like steering would be an easy hook up....just would need spring mounts, and drive shaft....

search noob!:flipoff2:

I kept on looking for the pictures after I read that Mike blew a cv.































































I did'nt know he could open his mouth that big!
:flipoff2:

It's only an inch and a quarter at the splined end. It wasn't too tough.

:flipoff2:

When i saw that Merv replied i had to check it out, and he said exactly what i had expected:flipoff2:

Brad

Originally posted by Jason M


You still dumping your volvo's?

yep. :( gotta pay tuition somehow....

Other side is fine.

Wonder why it's the short side CV that blew?

I'm thinking I'll replace them both and use the one that lived as a spare.

Wonder why it's the short side CV that blew?


:confused: don't think it really matters . . . physics sez that both cv's see the same torque regardless of the length of the axle transmitting it (assuming both are rigid bodies). looked like you had more weight transfer on the short side from the pics, but i have a feeling that these GKN's see a lot of non-visible stress fractures before they decide to shatter like glass . . .

i've been eager to have parts magnafluxed for the hell of it . . .sounds like you might have a legitimate reason ;)

Well technically the long side can take more shock loading without the same stress level because of the higher flexibility.

Originally posted by Buckon37s
Hey Tomw,

How often do you end up breaking the 2522's with those 37's??

only one so far and it was a GBR extreme duty jobber, it broke at the hub on the CV axle stub, it broke clean as a whistle too!

I'll check my spares if I have 3 ( or more ) Mike can trade for something... I recall having 2 or 3

TomW

Tom, that would be awesome.

I wonder if there's any way to make them softer?

:D

Tom, that would be awesome.

I wonder if there's any way to make them softer?

:D


Hmm, perhaps send them to Bobby long???
:D

One more of the guts.

:flipoff2:

EDIT: Nathan from XKS Unlimited has a pair of 2522's that he's going to sell me. I'll put the CC back the way it started then start thinking of what I'm going to do to it next.

Hmmmm....

Nice shiny balls..........


:flipoff2:

Tom, that would be awesome.

I wonder if there's any way to make them softer?

:D

I have found a few out in the garage... I'm trying to sort out which are which. one has my heavy duty balls in it! :flipoff2: MERV! I meant my heavy duty cage and balls :grinpimp: So that one not getting traded.... Some are GKN, some are Generic....I'll be back in the oil tomorrow or tonight if I get the diff with the R&P back, then I'll sort out which are which... sorry, I've been busy the last few days.

Super Secret: I saw the future yesterday.... it was big, it was shiny, I held it, it was heavy, heavy duty, like Dana 60 heavy duty.... but alas it was still a CV joint... I think I might be in line for em. If so then I will definately be having a sale on 2522's :)