I ordered some beadlock rims and want 15x10 with 3" BackSpacing. The place took my order and said they could make the wheels with that offset but now they've called back and said that the least BS they can make them is >4".(I have a 5 on 6.5" bolt circle)
They said they could reverse the rim to get the BS I want but I would run a greater risk of loosing the inner beadsince the beadlip is so shallow.

I plan on using 37" MTR's(12.5 wide) or 37x13 boggers(sort of narrow tire for 10" rim)

So will I have a problem loosing the inner bead and be the laughing stock of all my friends with my shiny new beadlock wheels that don't hold air?

you will still have the safty bead so it will be just fine.

Something sounds wrong.

About the most I know 99% of people would want it 4" BS, 3.5" and 3" is FAR more common for beadlock applications.

If they can't do 3" or at the least 3.5" BS, then stay away from them... they don't know what they are doing.

Originally posted by DRM
Something sounds wrong.

About the most I know 99% of people would want it 4" BS, 3.5" and 3" is FAR more common for beadlock applications.

If they can't do 3" or at the least 3.5" BS, then stay away from them... they don't know what they are doing.

Part of the problem is the the wheel centers that they'll be using may not have as much of a cone shape. They sent me a set of the wrong wheels(6 lug) and they have 3 3/4 BS and they said this is about min for BS.

I would avoid them as well. 3" backspacing is a pretty common backspace and if they can't do that, something is wrong.

run while you can

dont end up like elf cruiser with stockton wheel...check that post the guys there have some place in the NW they all like

Mike

The center of the wheel can only be put in the lower section of the rim. The combination of the cone shape of the wheel center and the placement in the center of the rim determines the backspacing.
The center of the wheel is welded to the section of the rim that has the smallest I.D.(I don't know the correct term) It can only be moved so far torwards either end of this raised section of the rim. Typically the wheel center has a cone shape so the backspacing is not the same as the piont where the wheel center is welded to the rim but a combination of the two.
So with the wheel centers that they have for my application(5 on 6.5 not too common) they are unable to get the BS that i want without reversing the rims.

So the questions are: Does anyone have reversed beadlock rioms?
those running reversed beadlock wheels have a problem loosing the inner bead?
Also consider that I'm running fairly wide rims in relation to the tire width in rock crawling type terrain.

When I ordered my wheel from willamate wheel, I ordered 15x10 with 3" backspacing. I figured it was no problem since I already had 1 wheel like that, it could be done.

He said No. he could go down to 3.5" backspacing or jump to 2.5" backspacing with reversed wheel. I went that route, but wish I went the other route.

He told me the beadlock stuff (in the future) will work the same, but I dont see it. I cant see how I could get the tire on over the back side (now the front side) of the rim. Or if I did put them on the normal way, I couldnt get the tire bead over the lock.

sounds like the crap stocton pulled on me.

find another vendor

Originally posted by Benny Boy


He told me the beadlock stuff (in the future) will work the same, but I dont see it. I cant see how I could get the tire on over the back side (now the front side) of the rim. Or if I did put them on the normal way, I couldnt get the tire bead over the lock.

Good point there Benny Boy. I don't think they will work either.

Be impossible to get the tire over the bead.

Originally posted by camo
sounds like the crap stocton pulled on me.

find another vendor

I'm not getting them from stocton

Originally posted by teabag

So the questions are: Does anyone have reversed beadlock rioms?
those running reversed beadlock wheels have a problem loosing the inner bead?
Also consider that I'm running fairly wide rims in relation to the tire width in rock crawling type terrain.


Yep I do..
15x10 with 2" backspacing on flipped rims. works great.


When I was running 36x12.50 swampers at 6psi I could push the inner bead enough to cause some air to slip out (on a rock). But I would imagine that could happen to any tire/rim that is that close in width. However I have run my 38.5x14.50's down to 4ish psi without a problem.... The key is the 4" diference between the tread width and the rim.... I never actually "lost" a bead. just some air...

Your main problem is going to be the width of the rim. With a reversed rim beadlock you still remove the outer edge to attach the locking system (was the inner edge on a conventional rim) so mounting is still easy. Also your concern about pealing the tire directly off of the rim is not a big deal. when a bead blows it usually is because of pressure forces towards the tire. I have never seen a properly seated tire blow out over the outer bead. They have to blow inwards first. It is easy for me to visualise but hard to explain. Inner beads rarely blow. It is possible but not easy at all. If it makes you feel any better screw the inner bead. It will not go anywhere.

Do yourself a favor and go with a 7 or 8" rim. That will be your best bet.....




Be impossible to get the tire over the bead.


Nope as I said earlier the edge is cut off and a new one is put on. Very easy to mount yourself with some soap and a torque wrench...

:D

Jason
Thanks for the reply
You cleared up a few things.

I wasn't thinking of the fact that most beadlocks cut off the outer bead(been look at pics of the rockstomper rings) so getting the tire on over the inner part of the beadlock won't be bad.

My point about the inner bead is
inner beads rarely blow but is it because they normally have a longer beadlip area or because the forces rairly are enough to push the inside of the tire towards the inside of the rim.

Do people with reversed rims have trouble with loosing the inner bead?

Originally posted by teabag
Do people with reversed rims have trouble with loosing the inner bead?


With a 12" tire on a 10" rim I used to have air leaks (large ones that I could hear) but never actually lost a bead. And it was a PITA to actually remove the inner bead while the tire/rim was on the truck. Reversing the rims makes it easier to lose an inner bead. And that is compounded when your rim and tire have a similar width. If you run a 7 or 8" rim you Should not have any problem. With a 10" rim you probably will.....

:p

Haven't had any problem with losing the inner bead, but then I haven't put the thing on rocks yet with my beadlocks. I don't see the inner and outer retaining beads being much different so I don't know why they would have a problem flipping the rims. As far as getting the tire over the edge of the rim, that should be ok too unless your rims have extra large lips. I installed mine without any special tools other than just a ratchet and a torque wrench.

-John

Originally posted by Jason M

And that is compounded when your rim and tire have a similar width. If you run a 7 or 8" rim you Should not have any problem. With a 10" rim you probably will.....

:p

I want to be able to go to a wider tire in the future; but I have some more mods to do before then. I'm pretty much set on the 10" rim. The narrower tires are baby steps:)

So who are you getting your beadlocks from?!?!?!

My Rockstomper article may have some mounting tires on beadlocks pictures that can help you visualize your options.

I believe inner beads blow less often for both reasons, less likely to experience the forces that way, and the usually greater inner safetybead.

If you're concerned, you could alway build up the inner (was outer) safety bead with a bead of weld. racers do this in classes where beadlocks are not legal, and racing wheels are available like this from the factory.

But I agree with others, a good manufactureer out to be able to do 3" without flipping....unless you're having some special wheels, or some you already own modified.

Try Willamette.

By the way, check pitstopusa.com for Basset racing wheels, they are all available in 2, 3 and 4" BS, not flipped.

They won;t have your bolt pattern, and likely won't be heavy enough, but show it isn;t strictly custom work to get a 15x10 with 3" BS

Originally posted by Rock Toy
So who are you getting your beadlocks from?!?!?!

I ordered them from www.high-impact.net

All most exactly the same as MRT's but $50 cheaper per wheel.

You get what you pay for........

Originally posted by teabag


I'm not getting them from stocton


you missed my point. i relize that you are getting them from another vendor but stockon first told me they could build my rims the way i requested and after 5 weeks and i still did not have them i called to find out what was going on and i was informed that they couldn't built them the way they said they could. of course they already had my money. i finally got my rim 6 months later. my point is they sound like they have there head up there ass just like stockton.

my advise is get your money back and find a new vendor

Well camo you may be right.
I first specified how I wanted the rims(bolt pattern and backspacing)
They said they would check it out and get back to me.
He got back to me in a day or so(reasonable time for email)
And confirmed yes they could build the wheels how I stated.

Wheels arrive(xmas eve) a little over a week after I ordered them.
With the holiday season it took a few days to finally contact the wheel company to see what happened.
They(Alied the wheel manufacture) said they must have made a mistake and sent the wrong wheels to me since the person I talked to said he actually pulled the parts for my wheels. Said they would make a new set tommorow(last friday the 4th) and they would go to the powdercoater on monday. Today(thursday 10th) Hi-impact called and said that they cannot make the wheels with 3" backspacing since the dish or cone to the wheel center is less for the wheel centers for my application and that the wheels would be more like 4" or more. I asked if they could reverse he rim and he said that they could do that. I told him I'd have to "check around" to see if there would be potential problems with beadlocked reversed rims(like defeating the purpose by loosing inner beads)
I'll see what happens tomorrow.

Hi-impact called and said that they cannot make the wheels with 3" backspacing since the dish or cone to the wheel center is less for the wheel centers for my application and that the wheels would be more like 4" or more. I asked if they could reverse he rim and he said that they could do that.

So YOU had to suggest reversing the rim in order to get what you needed built?

eeek - I'd get out now, you're obviously not dealing with people who know their stuff. Actually, this is certainly the case in your case, since High Impact is just a marketing co. and prob know zero about wheels. As you said Allied is making them. Me, for custom stuff, I'd look for a smaller outfit wher you call and actually talk to the guy who does the work (and hopefully knows his stuff) and you pay this same person.

Originally posted by BillaVista


So YOU had to suggest reversing the rim in order to get what you needed built?

eeek - I'd get out now, you're obviously not dealing with people who know their stuff. Actually, this is certainly the case in your case, since High Impact is just a marketing co. and prob know zero about wheels. As you said Allied is making them. Me, for custom stuff, I'd look for a smaller outfit where you call and actually talk to the guy who does the work (and hopefully knows his stuff) and you pay this same person.

Greg first mentioned that they could reverse the rims although Allied doesn't like the idea(they specialize in racing wheels).
I don't like the idea either. It would be fine or even good if I was not getting beadlocks but since I'm getting beadlocks it kind of defeats the purpose by making the inner bead more vulnerable.

Greg called me today and had talked to Allied and said that they could get the wheels at 4" even BS. I told him I'll take them at 4" even or less but if they are more than 4" then I can't use them.
So we'll see how they turn out.

teabag..... I had a serious case of losing air all the time on my INSIDE beads.....my 36x12.5 TSLs would constantly lose air on both 8" and 10" rims .... this got rid of my prob... http://www.dreamwater.com/zuk/beadseal.html