So I am considering getting rid of the 44 in the rear of my CJ. WHat are my best options as far as rear end goes?

I need to run a 6 lug setup, so that means a semi float for the most part. What is the best way of going with this?

Dana 60 semi float rear

9" semi float rear

Keep the 44 rear, and put in some stronger shafts.

I am curintly running some 38" swampers, and really like them. Iw ould like ot keep them on there, and not go any bigger. I am not competing, but want to be able to wheel Fordyce, Rubicon, Hammers,... With not thinking and worrying abtou the rear end too much. I don't have too much money, so this will be a budget build.

Thanks
Dima

My suggestion would be to get a D60 rear, and cut off the ends (also nice because you can pick your width), and put on ford 9" big bearing ends. Get some 35 spline shafts, and run the ford 8.8 caliper brackets, calipers and find some rotors to fit (maybe chevy or waggy).

The other option is the Ford 9" with custom shafts.

I would beef up the 44 as long as you dont plan on going bigger that 38". My buddy has 44's in his yj and is running 37" and runs it pretty hard and dosent break

Screw a 60, get a MOG in the rear. Cheap, and simple to install, great ground clearance, and easy to find parts for because they aer so common.

I'd vote for a 9in. I'm happy with mine so far. Im runnnig stock 9in with 4.56 gears and Mosier axles.

35 Spline 9"

Dually Dana 35

Originally posted by TexasBlake
Dually Dana 35

Ummm..wouldn't that like be a D70?:rolleyes: :shaking:

Get a junkyard dana 60 and have the aftermarket ford big bearing ends put on like mentioned and get custom 6 lug axles. It will be cheaper to get semi float ends welded on too a 60 then to switch out the center section of a 9" to accept 35 spline shafts. This will save money and give you bigger center section and stronger tubes. If you don't want 35 spline shafts there is no reason to swap out the 44, just get some high quality aftermarket shafts.

why not keep the 44 and convert it to a full float. run some alloy shafts and a good set of drive flanges. this will allow a easy disc brake upgrade also.

With all the info... Who makes the best aftermarket 44 shafts, and where can I get a full float kit from?

Thanks
Dima

Originally posted by smbisig
35 Spline 9"

i would agree that it just doesnt get much better than that...
D60's got nothin on a 9"

For a full float kit I think the only option is Warn ($$$) and then it is going to require machining for 6 lug (more $$$)

I still think the cheapest option for a fun rig you never want to worry about is the semi float 60.

just upgrading the stock shafts may work but it would suck to drop $300 bones and still break it.

also what gear ratio and locker are you running? If you have 4.10's or something like that you should easily be able to find a 60 in this ratio and throw a mini spool in it. If your running a ARB and 5.13 gears or something like that act like this paragraph isnt even here.

Is there any reason you can't run a 14 bolt or a full float 60?

No ARB, the rear is welded, but it does have gears in it. It is set up at 5:13 right now. I will not change the front, and I will need to stay 6 lug all around.

Thanks
Dima

Originally posted by Rastamon


i would agree that it just doesnt get much better than that...
D60's got nothin on a 9" Ummm, are you retarded?

35 spl high pinion 9"

click here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&category=33731&item=2460648548&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT)

Dimitri, what width axle is under there now????

Have you considered the SF 14 bolt? It's available in 6 lug and I believe it has 33 spline shafts.

Originally posted by Keith
Ummm, are you retarded?


Yes he is. Rasta-Mon is none too bright. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by TexasBlake
Dually Dana 35

Oh come on Blake, everyone know that the portal 35's are so much better!:flipoff2:

Cheap SF 60 and be done with it. Wouldn't stick with the 44.

KB

If you are destined to keep the lug pattern you could always get C-clip eliminators for your rear 44, swap in some CTM steel alloy shafts, and weld some braces to the tubes and diff to beef it up a little (And make sure the tubes are welded to the diff housing too of course) and you should be set .. This will save you on the cost of possibly regearing and what not and give you a pretty stout axle. The C-clip eliminators would be nice cause atleast then you can still get it home :P

Originally posted by SanDiegoCJ



Yes he is. Rasta-Mon is none too bright. :rolleyes:

yes, and the plethora of great advice that leaks out of your keyboard is something we should all want to read.:rolleyes:
i have yet to see anything at all helpful come from you. if you have nothing useful to say then STFU.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Rastamon


yes, and the plethora of great advice that leaks out of your keyboard is something we should all want to read.:rolleyes:
i have yet to see anything at all helpful come from you. if you have nothing useful to say then STFU.:flipoff2: Hey fukin newbie, stating that a 60 has nothing on a 9" is about the most non useful info in this thread.......
So why dont you STFU. Newbie trash.

Originally posted by Raider
If you are destined to keep the lug pattern you could always get C-clip eliminators for your rear 44, swap in some CTM steel alloy shafts, and weld some braces to the tubes and diff to beef it up a little (And make sure the tubes are welded to the diff housing too of course) and you should be set .. This will save you on the cost of possibly regearing and what not and give you a pretty stout axle. The C-clip eliminators would be nice cause atleast then you can still get it home :P


uhhh since when is a Dana 44 a c-clip axle.

Originally posted by Raider
....... you could always get C-clip eliminators for your rear 44.... .. This will save you on the cost of possibly regearing ..........:P

This is just too good! Why can't I come up with material like this???

My .02

Depending on the width you want, you can get a SF D60 out of a late 60's, early 70's Mopar muscle car. My buddy has one out of a 69 Road Runner, picked it up for about $150 bucks.

Width is about 58-59".

Moser shafts, 35 spline, 6 lug.

Locker of choice.

*shrug*, As far as I knew there were C-clipped Dana 44 rear axles (According to a seperate forum I read) .. I've never had a rear Dana 44 before, I have no first hand experience with them, however I have heard CTM shafts do wonders for them and I've seen some tough truck competition trucks add extra bracing to the tubes and diff housing to make them take harder landings and what not, which is why I suggested those things.

http://www.jeeptech.com/axle/d44.html

That's where I read about C-clip Dana 44s .. So I wasn't wrong after all, they do exist, just not common.

Originally posted by IndyCJ
My .02

Depending on the width you want, you can get a SF D60 out of a late 60's, early 70's Mopar muscle car. My buddy has one out of a 69 Road Runner, picked it up for about $150 bucks.

Width is about 58-59".

Moser shafts, 35 spline, 6 lug.

Locker of choice.

just wanted to add these are pretty rare and if the seller knows what it is will be asking a premium, these things are like gold to Slowpar muscle car guys.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy


just wanted to add these are pretty rare and if the seller knows what it is will be asking a premium, these things are like gold to Slowpar muscle car guys.

VERY, VERY True.

Unless of course you find some asshat that has some sort of big axle for sale and has no idea what he has. :evil:

The real questions are what parts do you have access to? What do you buddies run so you'll have spares for each other? Whats your ending wheelbase going to be? Can you shave an axle? What size engine are you dealing with? How bad will your driveline angle be with which axle?
Posts like this ask the most broad questions in the world:shaking:
Yeah the start arguments which are always funny but some tech will come out in the end.

Originally posted by Raider
*shrug*, As far as I knew there were C-clipped Dana 44 rear axles (According to a seperate forum I read) .. I've never had a rear Dana 44 before, I have no first hand experience with them, however I have heard CTM shafts do wonders for them and I've seen some tough truck competition trucks add extra bracing to the tubes and diff housing to make them take harder landings and what not, which is why I suggested those things.

http://www.jeeptech.com/axle/d44.html

That's where I read about C-clip Dana 44s .. So I wasn't wrong after all, they do exist, just not common.
Dude, I'm no expert on 44s, but just by READING, I can see the only c-clip 44s were are in ZJs, with an aluminum housing. This dude has a CJ, and I doubt he'd swap that axle in if he knew what he was doing.......

I know, but my point was that some 44's have C-clips .. I didn't know (and I didn't see anywhere in his post) whether he swapped in a 44 or not, or if it was stock, never hurts to try and cover all angles .. I guess I should have been more specific in my original post.

Originally posted by Raider
I know, but my point was that some 44's have C-clips .. I didn't know (and I didn't see anywhere in his post) whether he swapped in a 44 or not, or if it was stock, never hurts to try and cover all angles .. I guess I should have been more specific in my original post.

And my point is that you are an asshat fucking moron newbie that should shut the fuck up and do a little reading before he starts posting about c-clip eliminators that I doubt even exist. I highly doubt that anyone market's a c-clip eliminator for a Dana 44 that is ONLY found in one vehicle, has an an aluminum housing, c-clips and it's own incompatible style of gears. The only place that axle belongs is on the end of a long chain attached to a boat. Get the fuck out of this forum and head straight for newbie tech. :flipoff:

Ahh, yet again .. Someone who likes to think they are 'cool' by throwing a few curse words into their post .. You really should consider getting a life .. Unfortunately I don't see that happening, and you'll probably just keep on sitting here, posting idiotic remarks to other peoples comments simply because you think it makes you look cool around the other idiots here .. I guess your what, 15? 16?

And if you spent 2 minutes away from trying to act all big and bad, and did a search on one of the many search engines on the internet you'd find that some companies do in fact sell a C-clip eliminator for that Dana 44.

Listen up, Mr. "on the lookout for a high pinion 60 front" Raider person …
You don't even realize to whom you are trying to defend your stupid newbie advice ... which makes you even more pathetic.
… now sit down and STFU! :rasta:

You don't even realize to whom you are trying to defend your stupid newbie advice ... which makes you even more pathetic.
Get your tongue outa his arse
All this bad boy attitude get real old real quick

:laughing:

I think everyone has a different definition of "Budget Build". Why don't you throw out a number that you're looking to be under b/c that might help.

If you or one of your friends has access to a lathe and an alignment bar, you could build a D60 w/ C14 spindles, moser 35 spline axles, D44 rotors, machine/redrill the C14 hub, weld-on caliper stands, and lincon lock it for around $800 - $900

OR

C14 spindles on your Dana 44 housing, machine/redrill hub, order 30 spine FF axles from Moser (or other), D44 calipers/rotors, etc.
Maybe $500 or so.

If no lathe access:
D60 with 9" bearing cups, 35 spline axles, D44 rotors - just get the axles from moser with 6 on 5.5 instead of 5 on 5.5, weld on calper stands. Maybe $500 or so.

OR

Run a 9" and get 35 spline axles (with 6 on 5.5 bolt circle), run d44 rotors and calipers and a spool. $500 or so.

Obviously some of this stuff can be acquired from friends for much less if it just happens to be laying around. Hopefully you have a cheap you-pull-it place near by.

If you're certain that you're gonna run a D60 35 spline, I have a pair of side gears I can give your bro when he's out here in a month or so.

Matt

Matt, Thanks for the advice. This is Dimitri, Sergei's bro. How's life been up there in Denver? You still builing with Dimitri?

As for my choices. I am leanbing toward the SF60 right now. The 44 is nice, but I don't think it is strong enough for me.

I have a CJ5 with a 360, 727, Dana 300, 100" Wheelbase, 38's,... I can push the rear back further, but hope not to. I have a pretty light foot, so I am not tooo worried. I can shave the 60 with a grinder in my garage.

The 44 is about 60" wide or so. Maybe 1-2 inches either way.

Thanks
Dima

Originally posted by Flatty
I have a pretty light foot, so I am not tooo worried.

Dude, Put the Vodka down and back away!

No, that is when I get a heavy foot. As long as I am drinking the hooch, I am golden.

Dima

haha, Dimitri told me your bro now has a vodka-orator in his keg-orator? You freakin' Russians kill me. Best part is you really do have an excuse for bugger welds... ;)

Dimitry is working nights doing the massive freeway construction here so we've not seen much of each other since he started. He bought a welder and is now doing the body work...we'll get the suspension and drivetrain in there when he's ready no problem. I work on my stuff when I can...

If you're on a super tight budget then the SF D60 is the way to go. I wouldn't throw the cash down for 35 spline shafts until you break one (carry a spare). Then you'd only have to front for gears...

Have you run that new rig yet or are you still working things out? Come awn...you've had it all winter haven't you?!

Why is it that all these newbies say all this bullshit, when they themselves have never contributed anything useful? Of course, we could let it slide, and every retard would post stupid shiat, and this site would be worthless; lets think about it newbs before you post. This is a hardcore tech site, don't screw it up for everybody else.

Oh, and I vote that if some newbies have an attitude problem, we could report them, they could be monitored, and possibly banned if not getting the hint, while they pollute this website?!?

Originally posted by lilscorpion
haha, Dimitri told me your bro now has a vodka-orator in his keg-orator? You freakin' Russians kill me. Best part is you really do have an excuse for bugger welds... ;)

Dimitry is working nights doing the massive freeway construction here so we've not seen much of each other since he started. He bought a welder and is now doing the body work...we'll get the suspension and drivetrain in there when he's ready no problem. I work on my stuff when I can...

If you're on a super tight budget then the SF D60 is the way to go. I wouldn't throw the cash down for 35 spline shafts until you break one (carry a spare). Then you'd only have to front for gears...

Have you run that new rig yet or are you still working things out? Come awn...you've had it all winter haven't you?!

Yea, I had it last summer, and all through the year. I ran it at the ahmmers once (broke a tranny housing bad), then fordyce once. It worked well, but the projection SUCKS ASS!!!!

I am scared to take the rear shafts out and see how bent they are. I am considering getting some spare shafts for this year, and then building the SF 60 for next year.

The Vodkarator KICKS ASS!!!!! It is a huge hit, and the fist of its kind. Who has bugger welds? Not me...:D

I am gonna try and make it up there this year close to August time. I will tow the CJ up there and we gotta go play on all the nice rocks up there.

DIma

Originally posted by Grandpa Jeep
Have you considered the SF 14 bolt? It's available in 6 lug and I believe it has 33 spline shafts.

I'm with Gramps on this one.

just wanted to add these are pretty rare and if the seller knows what it is will be asking a premium, these things are like gold to Slowpar muscle car guys.

when did a Hemi Cuda AAR become slow?

Originally posted by MuddinXJ


when did a Hemi Cuda AAR become slow? Wow, something made you come out and put up your first reply huh. Let me guess, you are a Slowpar fan?

im not by any means a mopar fan but i never considered the Hemi Cuda or Hemi Cuda AAR to be slow. even the 440 six packs are slow.

These cars are boats. They were heavy even for their time. Compare one of those to a Mustang, camaro, or Cougar with an equivalent motor. The slowpar is and always was a subpar vehicle. I love the way they look, but they gotta shed some weight.

Dima

While we're off topic:

No such thing as a Hemi Cuda AAR. AAR was a special production car to get the numbers to qualify for the trans am series. Dan Gurney's All American Racers (AAR). It's a 340 six pack.

A Hemi Cuda is just that.........


Heavy..(Cuda)...YEP. Heavier than a Chevelle, Fairlane, GTO?...not really.
Heavier than a Mustang or Camaro...dunno; probably.


Slow....... M/T got a '69 Roadrunner to hit 12.9 in their 1969 test.....with stock tires.

It's no C5 Vette or Viper........still pretty damned quick though.
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Originally posted by nxcj
While we're off topic:

No such thing as a Hemi Cuda AAR. AAR was a special production car to get the numbers to qualify for the trans am series. Dan Gurney's All American Racers (AAR). It's a 340 six pack.

A Hemi Cuda is just that.........


Heavy..(Cuda)...YEP. Heavier than a Chevelle, Fairlane, GTO?...not really.
Heavier than a Mustang or Camaro...dunno; probably.


Slow....... M/T got a '69 Roadrunner to hit 12.9 in their 1969 test.....with stock tires.

It's no C5 Vette or Viper........still pretty damned quick though.
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dman damn and double damn... I was hoping I would be the first to point that out! and yes a hemi musle car is fast.. I was just showing my favor of more real world street cars :flipoff2:

To get back on topic I still favor the semi float 60, built from a junkyard FF rear with ford big bearing ends. Cheap and definatly effective (tough to beat a 35 spline dana 60)

Originally posted by nxcj
While we're off topic:

No such thing as a Hemi Cuda AAR. AAR was a special production car to get the numbers to qualify for the trans am series. Dan Gurney's All American Racers (AAR). It's a 340 six pack.

A Hemi Cuda is just that.........


Heavy..(Cuda)...YEP. Heavier than a Chevelle, Fairlane, GTO?...not really.
Heavier than a Mustang or Camaro...dunno; probably.


Slow....... M/T got a '69 Roadrunner to hit 12.9 in their 1969 test.....with stock tires.

It's no C5 Vette or Viper........still pretty damned quick though.
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this is so wrong. there is a Hemi Cuda AAR. and AAR stands for American Auto Racing. check the production for 1970 Cuda, and there were Hemis made in the AAR production series, i know i owned one, and it was a numbers matching car.

also the Mopar cars may be heavier but they had bigger balls. so what a camaro, mustang, or gto is lighter in weight but it doesnt have the balls it needs. if you take a motor like whats in a cuda or charger and put it something lighter its ok. but people with the cudas and chargers just take their big balled motors and make em even bigger balled.

Originally posted by Flatty


I am gonna try and make it up there this year close to August time. I will tow the CJ up there and we gotta go play on all the nice rocks up there.

DIma

You come up here in August and I'll have my junk done and ready to go. Make sure you give me a heads up for sure! Even Dimitri might be ready to go by then...doubtful but you never know.