I need to spend some time wheeling in WA.. Hooper and I can see who can do the most tree-rubbin' on one run.


Sounds like a good idea. Lets put together a WA IH trail run weekend. Anybody want to pick a date?

Sounds like a good idea. Lets put together a WA IH trail run weekend. Anybody want to pick a date?

What time frame? May, or June?

May 15th is tied up for me but the rest of May is fine.. June is pretty much wide open for me right now... if we are going East of the mtns, Funny Rocks, Moon Rocks, etc, I would prefer cooler months. This side of the mtns, summer doesn't really arrive till Aug/Sep, so heat isn't really an issue.

So, I am pretty open right now...

Binder should be back together this weekend or next, Scoutillac is always ready to wheel.. I think Rusty is ready for the go arounds.. :D :D :D

Course Rusty can't talk too much. Anyone who saw him come down the hill at Snort challenge knows he is as capable of hammering the skinny pedal and bouncing off obstacles as well as anyone... ;) He jsut cares enough about asthetics at this point that he still bothers to fix his dents... ;)

What time frame? May, or June?

May 15th is tied up for me but the rest of May is fine.. June is pretty much wide open for me right now... if we are going East of the mtns, Funny Rocks, Moon Rocks, etc, I would prefer cooler months. This side of the mtns, summer doesn't really arrive till Aug/Sep, so heat isn't really an issue.


May is too early, everything will still be snowed in. There is still quite a bit of snow in early June too. Anytime after that is fine with me. The weather doesn't get that hot up in the mountains, so thats not much of a concern.

May is too early, everything will still be snowed in. There is still quite a bit of snow in early June too. Anytime after that is fine with me. The weather doesn't get that hot up in the mountains, so thats not much of a concern.

OK, late June sounds pretty good to me. Most folks will be tearing down/rebulding, getting ready for 4th of July, so a weekend or two before that would probably be perfect...

Guess I better round up some spare axles and such though... it's a long walk back, and I don't have a trailer (or a reliable tow rig) yet..

heck, maybe my BIL will tag along, and we can get him to flog his junk...

CalROCS Goldendale is 6/18-6/21, the next weekend (6/25-6/27) is a possibility, but a bad choice IMO. After that is is two crowded weekends, 4th of July weekend, and the PNW trail jamboree (7/8-7/11). Any weekend after that would be good.

CalROCS Goldendale is 6/18-6/21, the next weekend (6/25-6/27) is a possibility, but a bad choice IMO. After that is is two crowded weekends, 4th of July weekend, and the PNW trail jamboree (7/8-7/11). Any weekend after that would be good.

Week after PNW is the M4x4A "Jamboree" along with RMIHR, for those of you that make the treck from the PNW..

Oh wait.. NONE OF YOU DO. :D

BTW.. any of you interested/planning a trip to Spokane/CdA for the BinderBash perchance?

BTW.. any of you interested/planning a trip to Spokane/CdA for the BinderBash perchance?

We will be on the trail that weekend/thru the next week. But I know a lot of the Oregon crowd wants to go to the Binder Bash this year.

Those that don't have junk to wheel will probably be there. :D

CalROCS Goldendale is 6/18-6/21, the next weekend (6/25-6/27) is a possibility, but a bad choice IMO. After that is is two crowded weekends, 4th of July weekend, and the PNW trail jamboree (7/8-7/11). Any weekend after that would be good.

Looks like the last weekend of July might be good.

How does it look for other folks?

Week after PNW is the M4x4A "Jamboree" along with RMIHR, for those of you that make the treck from the PNW..

Oh wait.. NONE OF YOU DO. :D

BTW.. any of you interested/planning a trip to Spokane/CdA for the BinderBash perchance?


Maybe, maybe, maybe... That is an open weekend right now... Heck of a drive though... Yeah, I know, I am a wuss about long drives...

Sounds like a good idea. Lets put together a WA IH trail run weekend. Anybody want to pick a date?

This sounds like a great idea.
Most any weekend is good with me. Have calrocs Goldendale to do and the NWB roundup. May go to the con in Aug some time but I'm not sure of the date. :)

Maybe, maybe, maybe... That is an open weekend right now... Heck of a drive though... Yeah, I know, I am a wuss about long drives...

Spokane/CdA is the halfway point between you n' me. ~300 miles from Seattle and the same from Helena (OK, 280 each side).

I can leave Friday after work and hit CdA Friday night if I want to... BTDT. Or a short lay-over at my brother's in Missoula cuts the CdA drive down to under 3 hours in the AM.

This sounds like a great idea.
Most any weekend is good with me. Have calrocs Goldendale to do and the NWB roundup. May go to the con in Aug some time but I'm not sure of the date. :)

Dan and I have the same thing going on as Rick, Calrocs and NWB Roundup. Just a note the trail ride will be at Browns Camp! I can't speak for Dan, but I would do my best to head up for a run if we could.

BTW.. any of you interested/planning a trip to Spokane/CdA for the BinderBash perchance

Actually I am headed up there this weekend! But now I am thinking about it as I don't think I have anything going that weekend, maybe prep for a comp. As far as the drive 6-7 hours aint nothing!

I love this sig line.

I Spot....Therefore it's my fault--Spotter;

I love this sig line.

I Spot....Therefore it's my fault--Spotter;

It usually is his fault....everything is his fault. :D

May go to the con in Aug some time but I'm not sure of the date. :)

Post up if you are going to make it down and a bunch of us will try to head out with you! :beer:

BTW.. any of you interested/planning a trip to Spokane/CdA for the BinderBash perchance?

I plan to have my junk there on Sat.....probably no Sunday wheeling....

I might be up for a NW wheeling trip but totally depends on the weekend...


Edit: weekend of 7/30-8/1 we're supposed to be in MT on vacation....G/F won't mind if vacation involves wheeling, will she?

R:)

I'd definatly be down for a trip with "the boys".... pick a time and location Ben. End of July looks good on my calander so far.


I got Goldendale and Round-up. Been trying to make Binder Bash for 2/3 years now, looks like it might happen this year.


Oh, FYI, Round-Up is the same weekend as the PNW jambo :D... 7/7-11.

I'd definatly be down for a trip with "the boys".... pick a time and location Ben. End of July looks good on my calander so far.


I got Goldendale and Round-up. Been trying to make Binder Bash for 2/3 years now, looks like it might happen this year.


Oh, FYI, Round-Up is the same weekend as the PNW jambo :D... 7/7-11.

Just an FYI, I will be leaving for Roundup on Saturday, probably around noon, most likely driving the SSII, camping overnight, and returning late Sunday, probably around...6 or 7.

Alternatively, I could leave Sunday morning, be there Sunday, stay overnight, wheel Monday, and return Monday... (Poor truck)

Saturday morning I have to be in town. But, if I leave at or before noon, that puts me down there around 4 or so (provided my poor steed can handle the drive... <grimace>)

It usually is his fault....everything is his fault. :D

Dammit, guess my secret is out. Yes folks, everything is my fault, of course if something good happens, then somebody else is probably responsible :flipoff2:

It looks more and more like Ben is right, the end of July appears more promising for something than any other time before that.

Too much going on in the Wheelin/IH world till then. :)

Hoop, the wheeling trip for NWBRU this year is on SUNDAY. :D

So 7/23 - 7/25 or 7/30 - 8/1? I guess the location would be Manastash Ridge, Naches, WA, Unless someone has a better idea.

I prefer 7/30 - 8/1, but I can do either weekend no problem.

So 7/23 - 7/25 or 7/30 - 8/1? I guess the location would be Manastash Ridge, Naches, WA, Unless someone has a better idea.

I like either of those dates, and can even GO this year.

No "project creep" allowed this time around.

I like 7/30-8/1 better.... little "off" time to fix shit and make up with the wife after a couple of "away" weekends.

Post up if you are going to make it down and a bunch of us will try to head out with you! :beer:


That sounds like it would be fun but I was invited to go with another group. I'm just not too sure about taking the week off it would require to make the trip.

I like 7/30 - 8/1. Rusty's reasons are good excuses. :D

7/30-8/1 sounds good to me. If the comp truck is too broken we can still wheel Red(if I still have it). It will be fun to wheel with the boys again :grinpimp:

That sounds like it would be fun but I was invited to go with another group. I'm just not too sure about taking the week off it would require to make the trip.

Yeah, We ran once last year and hit the gatekeeper at the same time as the guys from Sky Mfg (zuki guys from PNW). Seems like quite a bit to go through but I know people who make trips like this every year. Fuel prices alone make me cringe thinking about any trip more than four hours out.

7/30-8/1 sounds good to me. If the comp truck is too broken we can still wheel Red(if I still have it). It will be fun to wheel with the boys again :grinpimp:

Hmmm......Dare I say BOTH!!!! BWAHAHAHAH BWAHAHAHA

Hmmm......Dare I say BOTH!!!! BWAHAHAHAH BWAHAHAHA

If you can find me a 30ft goosneck flat bed, I'll haul both :D I dont want to drive Red and I dont think you'll have the 74 up to towing duty yet. I call dibs on Terry's trailer too!

If you can find me a 30ft goosneck flat bed, I'll haul both :D I dont want to drive Red and I dont think you'll have the 74 up to towing duty yet. I call dibs on Terry's trailer too!

Find me a trailer, and I'll tow one of them. :flipoff2:

TT and I were up there yesterday looking to see where the snow level was at and it turned out to be ALOT higher than in years past. For example; Normally this time of year we can't get my pickup up to the Y on Raven's Roost road and this year we went past the Y atleast a mile! ON Milk Creek Rd we made it all the way up to the wash-out from a few years back and furter. I know some of you are thinking, What's your point? We're (TT & me) like the idea of this run and want to go on it but will the trails be closed because of fire Hazard like last year?

Jeepdude_Jay and I were up there yesterday too, we went up Rock Creek Rd. I agree there is less snow than last year. Its hard to say if they are going to do the fire hazard closure again, it depends on how much rain we get in June & July. If the area ends up being closed, we will just have to do the run somewhere else.

My junk should be rolling by 7/30.... I'd be up for a run. I haven't done any real wheeling in 6 months and by then it will be almost a damn year!!!

I dunno who all is invited to this, but im in the PNW. my scout should be up and running by late july early auguest if i work my ass off. no cage though. i have no way to build a cage at home. any of you know anyone in the PNW that has a welder and bender that works beer??:D

If everyone is invited, count me in on the 7/30-8/1 date.

Anyone is welcome to come, but a cage is required. Strong recovery points front and rear are also required.

I dunno who all is invited to this, but im in the PNW. my scout should be up and running by late july early auguest if i work my ass off. no cage though. i have no way to build a cage at home. any of you know anyone in the PNW that has a welder and bender that works beer??:D

If everyone is invited, count me in on the 7/30-8/1 date.

I've been known to bend for beer..PM me if you're serious


Hey Ben, How's that hummer style beadlock project coming?

7/30-8/1 sounds good to me. If the comp truck is too broken we can still wheel Red(if I still have it). It will be fun to wheel with the boys again :grinpimp:

D'oh.. I knew something was going on that weekend.. like.. my wife's BD. ;)

what better way to spend a birthday than 4-wheeling. :D I'll even bring the birthday cake.

Hey Ben, How's that hummer style beadlock project coming?

Hasn't really started. I've got the the centers and the pipe for the beadlocks , I just need to put it all together.

Anyone is welcome to come, but a cage is required. Strong recovery points front and rear are also required.

FWD also required. ;)

FWD also required. ;)

Not only that, it must also work. :shaking:

I might have my junk running by the time you all settle on a date.

No - I would have to stop working on the house and try and put together a scout. I really want to move - must work on house first.

Ritch

Not only that, it must also work. :shaking:

Do all 4 tires have to turn or can I be open diffed :D

What kind of stuff are we looking at doing? I'd like to have the T-98 in my lil' green scout. Along with spring over, 4.27's, F/R power locks. It'l still have 31's though. Is it do-able or is 35's a must? It probably wont happen but you never know.

Dan your rig will be just fine. My comment was aimed at someone from a run the year before last. Guy showed up in a 4WD rig but only 2WD worked. Not wise. He ended up rolling his rig pretty bad trying to keep up. :rolleyes:

The trails aren't extremly difficult, the toughest sections are the long loose hillclimbs. There are lots of tight tree sections, anything larger than a Scout is guaranteed body damage. There are also lots of easy trails in the area and tons of forest roads to explore. We will also spend some time at Funny Rocks and Moon Rocks, which are large rock formations that have many different lines to try, from mild to wild.

Here's some of the trail descriptions borrowed from the PNW Trail Jamboree (http://www.pnw4wda.org/trailjam/trail_descriptions.htm) They are a little exagerated, especially the width restriction.

SHOESTRING/UPPER KANER-WESTBOUND
(Rate 8-9; width restriction-74 inches.) This trip offers virtually everything in driving characteristics, from rocks, mud, side hill, tightness to challenging hill climbs. There are also several small creek crossings. Very scenic, extremely poplar, but challenging. Definitely not recommended for Cherokee-sized vehicles, or for any vehicle with stock-sized or non-aggressive tires. CJ’s with oversized tires can negotiate the trail in this direction, even with open, non-locking differentials. Driving time is generally at least eight hours round trip.


KANER/QUARTZ-EASTBOUND
(Rated 9-10; width restriction-74 inches.) The rating is due largely to one long uphill on the Upper Kaner that is very difficult to negotiate with a stock vehicle, even with oversized tires and suspension lift. Winching
assistance may be required. Most vehicles with OEM highway all season tires will require extensive winching and may be damaged. Quartz is a ridge top trail with commanding views of the Cascade Crest and the Stewart Range. Mount Rainier is the centerpiece.


ROCKY SADDLE
(Rated 10; width restriction-74 inches.) This trail is for short wheel base vehicles with lockers front and rear,
full roll cage, aggressive tires, CB and winch. For experienced drivers only! There is a high risk of vehicle and equipment damage. The trail host leader will determine final eligibility. Plan for a long day!

width restriction-74 inches :rolleyes:

Don't let this one scare ya away.

Yeah, they don't even enforce it at the Jamboree, I'm 82" and I ran Kaner/Quartz-Eastbound with the Jamboree and noone even questioned it. There was a fullsize Blazer and Bronco on the same run too.

We'll make our width restriction 83.75" (sorry Binder) :flipoff2: We may need to set a height restriction as well :p

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67594&stc=1

We'll make our width restriction 83.75" (sorry Binder) :flipoff2: We may need to set a height restriction as well :p

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=67594&stc=1

Well, I'm out :p Red measures in at 86 outside to outside. Little green would do it with an SOA and the new 4 speed but I dont think I'll have a cage in by then. We'll see. What kind of camping facilities are there? It will all depend if I bring momma or not.

Camping will probably be primitive. If we use a developed campground there will be an outhouse, but we will probably just camp in a 'dispersed' camping area. Last time we camped in a campground and I felt like we were in the middle of a motocross track. If you don't want to camp, there are cabins near by to rent. http://www.whistlinjacklodge.com/ and http://www.ohwy.com/wa/s/squrocre.htm

can i ask where i can find more info on that huge silver 'thing' in the above few posts? I like it. whos is it? thanks for any info. I WANT PICS OF THAT THING!!!

Callen

can i ask where i can find more info on that huge silver 'thing' in the above few posts? I like it. whos is it? thanks for any info. I WANT PICS OF THAT THING!!!

Callen

When you bought your scout I thought you searched? If you had really searched you would have seen tons of pics of 'Binder' s truck. search again. :laughing:

Heres a picture of the other side, with the top on.

Heres a picture of the other side, with the top on.


Damn Ben, :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: I almost fell off my chair!!

Carl

I'd like to join you guys if my Traveler will fit down the trails. I should have it finished by then. I've got the axles out of my old Jeep J-20 bolted under it with about 6-7" lift and 35" tires. It is long, but it has a pretty good turning radius.

When you bought your scout I thought you searched? If you had really searched you would have seen tons of pics of 'Binder' s truck. search again. :laughing:

i did search, that red thing kept comming up everywhere. ill check again if you like.

I'd like to join you guys if my Traveler will fit down the trails. I should have it finished by then. I've got the axles out of my old Jeep J-20 bolted under it with about 6-7" lift and 35" tires. It is long, but it has a pretty good turning radius.

You'll be fine, as long as you don't mind your quarter panels getting up close and personal with a couple trees. Really, there are only a few spots that are reallllly tight, and with careful driving you can get through clean.

You'll be fine, as long as you don't mind your quarter panels getting up close and personal with a couple trees. Really, there are only a few spots that are reallllly tight, and with careful driving you can get through clean.

Dang. You mean I might get a dent, er, straight spot in my quarters? Cool. Wheeling, and body repair at the same time...

<chuckle>

Heres a picture of the other side, with the top on.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I can remember when it looked like that. Only with white wheels. :)


Fauk awph- I don't keep a lot of pictures around. If you search though you should find a few. I kinda like this pic.

So...Has a date been set yet? I just read everthing from Longfields post and I don't see anything set in stone. Some of us have to plan these things months in advance. Don't get me wrong I'm not standing on my chair preachin' but if Longfield and I go we need to plan to fix the broken sheit before than

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I can remember when it looked like that. Only with white wheels. :)


Fauk awph- I don't keep a lot of pictures around. If you search though you should find a few. I kinda like this pic.

i love it. im building something around that picture. haha. right now i have a 305/sm465/205/and some 1/2 ton chebby axles.....i have no money for the 3/4 this year. next summer though.

could you email me some specs on that thing??? what did you use for steering and springs? thats my biggest concern right now.

thanks,
Callen

I too have always had a thing for Ricks scout. Maybe it was the aristocrat badge it still wears. Or the klune/205 combo. Maybe it was the D60/D80 set up. I dont know.

I like the new 42's Rick. Fill the wheel wells better than the little 38's before.

FWD also required. ;)


FRONT Wheel Drive???


cool, sounds like I better get the twin-stick done :D

So...Has a date been set yet? I just read everthing from Longfields post and I don't see anything set in stone. Some of us have to plan these things months in advance. Don't get me wrong I'm not standing on my chair preachin' but if Longfield and I go we need to plan to fix the broken sheit before than

quite break'n shit :rolleyes::rolleyes::D



Tenative, Set-in-Stone dates seem to be 7/30-8/1

So...Has a date been set yet? I just read everthing from Longfields post and I don't see anything set in stone.

The set in stone date is 7/30 - 8/1. I think we'll hit hit trails around 10:00 or 11:00 Friday to give everyone time to get there and set up camp. Saturday we'll head out pretty early and wheel all day. Sunday we can just go to the Funny/Moon rocks and run some other shorter/easier trails. I'm thinking some night wheeling Friday or Saturday might be fun too.

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I can remember when it looked like that. Only with white wheels. :)


Fauk awph- I don't keep a lot of pictures around. If you search though you should find a few. I kinda like this pic.

Rick just likes that picture cuz it shows that he has more dents than I do... :D :D :D

could you email me some specs on that thing??? what did you use for steering and springs?

thanks,
Callen

1970 800 A Aristocrat.-Chev 350, IH/Jeep 727, Klune4:1, GMC 205, 60front, 80rear. And a brand spanking new set of 42's. Steering is Howe hydro assist with ford box and sag pump. Front springs are some kind of Ford Pickup 3" rears. Rear springs are excursion springs in a quarter elip setup.
One giant abortion case but it works prety good when it works. :)

Rick just likes that picture cuz it shows that he has more dents than I do... :D :D :D

But your catching up fast........ :p

The set in stone date is 7/30 - 8/1. I think we'll hit hit trails around 10:00 or 11:00 Friday to give everyone time to get there and set up camp. Saturday we'll head out pretty early and wheel all day. Sunday we can just go to the Funny/Moon rocks and run some other shorter/easier trails. I'm thinking some night wheeling Friday or Saturday might be fun too.

How long of a drive do you think it is from Porkland to staging area? I need to know when to leave friday morning.

~ 4.5 hours

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&un=m&2tabval=address&cl=EN&ct=NA&1tabval=address&1y=US&1a=&1c=portland&1s=or&1z=&1ah=&2y=US&2a=&2c=nile&2s=wa&2z=&2ah=&idx=0&id=40931dc2-002a6-00da7-400c2547&aid=40931dc2-002a7-00da7-400c2547&bs.x=0&bs.y=0

or

http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&do=nw&un=m&2tabval=address&cl=EN&ct=NA&1tabval=address&1y=US&1a=&1c=portland&1s=or&1z=&1ah=&2y=US&2a=&2c=nile&2s=wa&2z=&2ah=&idx=0&id=40931dc2-002a6-00da7-400c2547&aid=40931dc2-002a7-00da7-400c2547&bs.x=0&bs.y=0

But your catching up fast........ :p


<chuckle> I think I am.

Spent a while Saturday evening working on the tow rig getting it ready for the trip. Might get it squared away, borrow/rent a trailer, and tow my SSII up there in July... Had to yank the exhaust manifold bolts on the 1310. PO said he had replaced the exhaust manifold the summer before I bought it, right before it was wrecked, but looking at these bolts, I don't think so....

The middle two bolts were completely rounded off. Had to use my *robogrip* pliers, or whatever they are called, and a whole lot of grunt to get them loose. And that was after soaking them with penetrating oil three times in 24 hours... I was worried I was going to have to chisel off the heads, but they finally broke loose. I'll slap in a new gasket and see if that quiets it down. Right now it is pretty loud, since that exhaust manifold gasket is completely blown... If I have time, I might even put new pipes on it... as my mufflers are completely blown... Then I will start daily driving it and see how it does.

Also sealed up the tranny dipstick tube. It leaked horribly and would drain out the tranny overnight..
No hard core wheeling this weekend, but I did spend some time wrenching.

First task was to stop the tranny fluid leak on the 1310. I swapped in a TF 727 not long ago, to replace the worn out BW that was in there. I put a new o-ring on the dipstick filler tube when I did it, but it still leaked buckets of fluid. It would drain the tranny dry overnight.

So, I pulled the tube and put a new o-ring on it, but it still dumped fluid. I ended up sealing around the base of the tube with Right Stuff. Let it cure overnight, dumped more fluid in and it held. I also pulled the oil filter adaptor on my SSII and planed it smooth so it would quit leaking. No leaks this morning, but the jury is still out.

My last wrenching task was to pull the boltsout of the exhaust manifold on the 1310. The PO told me it *kept blowing exhaust manifold gaskets* and he didn't know why. He said he had replaced the bolts *last year*, so I figured they would not be too hard to get off.

I started by hosing everything down with penetrating oil Friday night, then again Saturday morning, so by the time I got to them on Saturday evening they would be ready to pull. Yeah, right. The outside two bolts took a 9/16" socket just fine. The middle two wouldn't take a 9/16" - too loose, socket just spun with no contact, 1/2" was too small, 13mm too small, 14mm too large, it just spun... I tried tapping a 6 point 1/2" socket on and got one to seat, but then it just spun also. The heads of the bolts were completely round. The angle was wrong to get my vice grips to grab, but after about 20 minutes, I got my *robogrip* pliers, or whatever they are called, with nice sharp teeth on them, to grip and turn the bolts. At first, I was worried that as hard as those bolts were to turn, they were going to shear, but they ended up backing out. Somehow, I don't think these bolts have been replaced recently... Now I need to pick up some manifold gasket sealant, (I already have the gaskets, slip the gasket in, buy some new SS bolts, goober them up with anti sieze, and see if that stops the exhaust leak. Right now, it sounds like open headers driving down the road...

Aside from wrenching, I did a lot of landscaping as well... then played in the kiddie pool with my sons...

[img]http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/Misc/RustyManifoldBolts.jpg

It keeps blowing gaskets cuz the manifold is warped. You need it machined flat again and you wont have to worry about it for another 20 years.

It keeps blowing gaskets cuz the manifold is warped. You need it machined flat again and you wont have to worry about it for another 20 years.


Yup. Probably right. But, since he said it *keeps blowing*, but showed no sign of a new manifold gasket having been installed in... how long.... I have a feeling his idea of *keeps blowing* is it blew, and he didn't fix it cuz he couldn't get the manifold bolts out...

But, it probably is warped and needs to be planed anyway. I don't know if I will get to that before end of July or not though... The exhaust pipe bolts are frozen as well. If I do put new pipes on, I will let the muffler shop screw with those...

Hoop, sounds like your hard at it with the tow rig. Good luck. Like Binderbound said, get those manifolds machined. I had Jays do mine years ago and he just used some sort of surface grinder that looked like a big belt sander. Did the job fine and was cheap too. Come to think of it he just did the ones for the cheby too but I don't remember what it cost. :)

Anyone who is planning on coming to this run must have a spark arresting muffler. No glasspacks, cherry bombs, or any other straight through muffler. It is a Forest Service rule, and it is strongly enforced, I've been checked in camp, on the FS roads, and they have even had officers checking rigs at the Funny Rocks. You should also have a fire extinguisher and a shovel in your rig.

Also, some basic vehicle requirements-

4wd required
Strong recovery points front and rear required
vehicle must be safe and well maintained

33"+ tires and rear locker recommended

All makes and models of 4x4s are welcome, be aware that anything larger than a Scout is guaranteed body damage.

Anyone who is planning on coming to this run must have a spark arresting muffler. No glasspacks, cherry bombs, or any other straight through muffler. It is a Forest Service rule, and it is strongly enforced, I've been checked in camp, on the FS roads, and they have even had officers checking rigs at the Funny Rocks. You should also have a fire extinguisher and a shovel in your rig.

Also, some basic vehicle requirements-

4wd required
Strong recovery points front and rear required
vehicle must be safe and well maintained

33"+ tires and rear locker recommended

All makes and models of 4x4s are welcome, be aware that anything larger than a Scout is guaranteed body damage.


Ben thank you for the organization...

You have my vote for the next Moderator Election in the fall :flipoff2:

Wellner for 2004 :grinpimp:

Hey Ben, you should use your magic powers to make this into a "sticky"...


hmm, looks like I need to FINNALY make some rear tow points.... :rolleyes:

Anyone who is planning on coming to this run must have a spark arresting muffler. No glasspacks, cherry bombs, or any other straight through muffler. It is a Forest Service rule, and it is strongly enforced, I've been checked in camp, on the FS roads, and they have even had officers checking rigs at the Funny Rocks. You should also have a fire extinguisher and a shovel in your rig.

Also, some basic vehicle requirements-

4wd required
Strong recovery points front and rear required
vehicle must be safe and well maintained

33"+ tires and rear locker recommended

All makes and models of 4x4s are welcome, be aware that anything larger than a Scout is guaranteed body damage.
Uh oh, I am running these

http://jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10101&productId=889&catalogId=10101&langId=-1

http://jcwhitney.com/wcsstore/jcwhitney/images/imagecache/I6048.gif

I have the fire extinquisher, shovel, and the rest, but this muffler rule might be a problem...

Uh oh, I am running these

http://jcwhitney.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10101&productId=889&catalogId=10101&langId=-1

http://jcwhitney.com/wcsstore/jcwhitney/images/imagecache/I6048.gif

I have the fire extinquisher, shovel, and the rest, but this muffler rule might be a problem...


Patty...

Does not look like a straight through to me....I see a definite seperation of flow paths. My advise....not that it is worth much is this....

Since the body or barrel of the can looks like a straight through bomb', you should print that photo out. Print it 8-1/2 x 11 and fold it in half. Keep it with your reg and insurance cards...

Being the polititian that you are, you should have no worries given said evidence :)

It is not a straight through, but the name of the muffler is *Cherry Bomb*. If they do the coat hanger test, it will not go through, and since it doesn't have any *name* printed on it, I think it will be OK also. Just thought I would post up and get a consensus of some sort about it though. Good idea about the picture. I will do that...

Somehow I don't think my local legislative position will be very impressive to a Forest Service Ranger.. <chuckle> But, I'll put on my best diplomatic voice.... ;)

That might work, it would be better if you had documentation from the manufacturer stating the muffler it was spark arresting. Maybe you could email or fax that picture to the Naches Ranger District and ask them if it qualifies.

Or you could change the muffler. :(

It is not a straight through, but the name of the muffler is *Cherry Bomb*. If they do the coat hanger test, it will not go through, and since it doesn't have any *name* printed on it, I think it will be OK also. Just thought I would post up and get a consensus of some sort about it though. Good idea about the picture. I will do that...

Somehow I don't think my local legislative position will be very impressive to a Forest Service Ranger.. <chuckle> But, I'll put on my best diplomatic voice.... ;)

The problem is externally it looks exactly like what they don't want. The Rangers I've talked to before have mentioned the coat hanger test, if your muffler is in a position that they could do the test, you would probably be fine.

Or you could change the muffler. :(

IIRC, Pat changed to this muffler to get room for his anti-wrap bar. ;)

Yep. Changed to these for exactly that reason. Mine runs outside the frame rails, tucked up next to the frame... And, yes, the driver side muffler does not have any further pipe on it, i.e. ends at the output nipple, so they could easily do a coat hanger test on it...

But, I will probably shoot the picture off to the ranger station and see what they think. That's a good idea. Thanks.

Yes, I know, it *appears* exactly like what they look for... but, it doesn't *sound* like a cherry bomb, glass pack, etc.. it is relatively quiet.. I went with this style for the space savings, and for the price. They are dirt cheap.. and I wasn't too sure how well they would work out, so I didn't want to spend a bunch of money on them if they weren't going to work <chuckle>

I'm going to try and make it the wife made plans for "us" to go camping with some of her friends..I'll figure some way out of it...

...No glasspacks, cherry bombs, or any other straight through muffler...

Yep, my POS cherry bomb that's been on the truck since 1991 falls straight into that category, and loud to boot...shit, if I'd just put that fartcan tip on it I'd be set!


...it is relatively quiet... Don't worry, that'll end soon enough.... :D

Ben, thanks for mentioning this.

R :)

http://www.justinternationals.org/members/ronrasmussen/rr1.jpg

Dang it! I really wanted to bring my litle scout. Springover with 31's, dual power locks (tight), T98, and fresh cage. Oh well, I can wheel Red if I stil have it.

Sounds like your little scout should do OK. 33's are just 'recommended' not required. :)

Keeping the love alive...

Don't forget to mark your calendars, July 30th, 31st and August 1st you are wheeling in Washington. Please leave your egos at home, this is going to be a weekend of laid back wheeling, nothing more, nothing less. :cool:

I need everyone who is planning on coming to PM me, so I can get an idea how many rigs and people to expect. I'll be scouting out potential camp areas this coming weekend.

Not to bring up a bad vibe but, that time last year TT and I went over there to wheel and there was big signs and the woods were closed. Hey though. if the woods are open TT and I will be there

That's a good point. If that does happen again, we'll go somewhere else like TSF if its open or Evans Creek or Liberty or something. :)

Anybody else planning on coming that I don't know about? If you don't speak up we may not have a big enough camping area depending on what I find this Saturday.

Would you be interested in posting the list of *planned* attendees? I sent my PM, but didn't receive (or expect to recv) a reply confirmation that you had me on the list... Don't know if anyone else falls into that group as well... If you posted the list, anyone planning on attending who fell through the cracks might notice...

The people who have given me some form of confirmation that they are coming are

Binder
Longfield
TT
Rustwhatever White
Binderbound
Diesel Smoke
IHC-6
Hooper


People who said they were interested but haven't confirmed:

Harvester of Sorrow
Ronnie Scout
uglyscout
Fawk Awph
Rockabilly
nwmud
wirebrush

gonna have to count me out I don't think I'll have the new suspension done by then..

Hey Longfield... what you going to be driving??? I saw you "little" (:D) trailer at Goldendale... but didn't see you or any rig with your name on it... were you running a rig or just there sponsoring??

Be cool to meet you.

Gonna have to count me out.... :(

My Scout will be running by then but I will be moving/closing on my new house that weekend. :) Of all the damn luck.

I expect a full report and plenty of pictures. And have fun.
And super kudos to Ben W for organizing this.

We were at Goldendale by we didn't compete. I just donated some Longfields and Super U-Joints. We left our rigs in the parking lot were they wouldn't break

We left our rigs in the parking lot were they wouldn't break

I broke aD60 steering knuckle in the parking lot. It was my welded together backup so I guess that doesn't really count. :p

Not to change subject, but, Sunday at Elbe I broke my power steering box. I know this is in the wrong area. But any you local guys got a spare to part with?

Not to change subject, but, Sunday at Elbe I broke my power steering box. I know this is in the wrong area. But any you local guys got a spare to part with?

Yep. Err. Umm. I have my old one, that was leaking a bit. Not gushing,but leaking... I am currently using a borrowed one, cuz I haven't gotten around to rebuilding my old one... It worked fine, just leaked...

Ben, haven't heard back from you. Did get up there for a camping spot? That big meadow along side the road past the fish ladder is plenty big if you get there before the bikes do.

I haven't had a chance to go look yet, I will go this week sometime. I want to avoid camping around Little Naches road, there are too many motorcycles over there.

WELLLLLL....It looks like I will probably be out of this run :(

Given money is tight...I would need to feed two little boys...and I need to now buy an ignition component for my pile...I will probably just stay local.

Have fun you guys :)

WELLLLLL....It looks like I will probably be out of this run :(

Given money is tight...I would need to feed two little boys...and I need to now buy an ignition component for my pile...I will probably just stay local.

Have fun you guys :)

Bummer :(

I hope this doesn't turn into a one of those things where everyone says they are going, and then nobody shows up.

But, I understand how things are too.

I'm still on. Leaving Friday morning to head out. Gotta return Saturday evening, but that gives me two days worth of fun... I am sure to break long before I run out of time... <chuckle>

Diesel Smoke, IHC-6, and myself are rolling out of here around 5am friday.

What is the absolute best way from here? Diesel Smoke and I will be towing our junkers but IHC-6 will be driving.

Option 1 : Go to Goldendale, take HWY 97 to Yakima, get on HWY 410 at Yakima.

Option 2: I-5 to HWY 12, and then take HWY 123 to HWY 410.

I think option 2 has more hills and steeper hills, but it is shorter and much more scenic.

WELLLLLL....It looks like I will probably be out of this run :(


Sorry to hear that HoS, maybe next time. :(

Well I found a camp spot. It is a dispersed camping area, so there is no fee to camp, but that also means no campfires. Its off of Milk Creek Rd, which is just west of mile marker 93 on HWY 410. Go up Milk Creek rd about 1.7 miles and turn right on road 1707 at Milk Pond. The camp spot is a short ways up that road, less than 1/2 mile. Its on the right side of the road, hard to miss it. Its a pretty big area so there is plenty of room for trailers, campers, tents, whatever. There are outhouses within 1/2 mile at the Milk Pond picnic area. May be a bad omen, but I found a demolished Scout 80 near Milk Pond, looks like it has been there 30 years. The only way I could tell it was a Scout was by the dash and guages.

For those not familiar with the area, the closest fuel/convience store/restaurant/lodge is Whistlin Jack's, approx 4 miles east of Milk Creek Rd on Hwy 410. Their fuel is typically very expensive so it would be best to bring most of the fuel you are going to need. If anyone wants a shower, there are public showers at Gold Creek Station, approx 9 miles east of Milk Creek Rd on Hwy 410, I don't know how much they charge though. They also have a restaurant and small store.

For those of us who need to know, Whistlin Jack's doesn't have Diesel. Go about 10 min further east on 410 to get Diesel. :)

I reread the whole thread (okay skimmed). The only thing I found that was needed, by law, to run is a spark arresting muffler. Is there anything else? Does the rig need to have plates? Current plates? Title? Our comp rig isn't registered or titled, are we SOL?

Thanks and see you guys in a couple of weeks!!!

Rick, no worries!! We are getting our shit fixed!!

cARL

Technically.............. you're supposed to be street legal up there.

Plates would be good, an OHV sticker is the minimum. Technically you need to be street licensed to travel on the forest service roads, but you only need an OHV sticker to be on the trails. Do you have the Oregon OHV permit thing, if you have that I think you'll get away with it.

Plates would be good, an OHV sticker is the minimum. Technically you need to be street licensed to travel on the forest service roads, but you only need an OHV sticker to be on the trails. Do you have the Oregon OHV permit thing, if you have that I think you'll get away with it.

Just adding a bit of information. :)

Oregon and Washington have a reciprocal agreement on OHV stickers. Any out of state vehicle is authorized to operate for up to 30 days a year in either state with only one sticker from one state.

How's that for Guv'ment legalese :D

The normal version:

If you are from Washington, and visit Oregon to off-road, you can do so without purchasing an Oregon OHV sticker for a total of 30 cumulative days a year.

The same goes for Oregon folk who wheel in Washington.

Hope this clears it up.

Plates would be good, an OHV sticker is the minimum. Technically you need to be street licensed to travel on the forest service roads, but you only need an OHV sticker to be on the trails. Do you have the Oregon OHV permit thing, if you have that I think you'll get away with it.

Thanks for the info and yes we do have an Oregon OHV sticker.

Carl

Hey Jay, you wheelin with us? :)

Thanks for the info and yes we do have an Oregon OHV sticker.

Carl
I know of a certain 63 scout thats not doing much right now. With current tags. Hint hint...

IHC-6... A talk with Dick Dufourd some time ago, he mentioned that all OHV users in Oregon needed an Oregon OHV sticker. Maybe he just meant motorcycles since thats his main focus.

I know of a certain 63 scout thats not doing much right now. With current tags. Hint hint...



:D :flipoff2: :D Great minds think alike!

Hey Jay, you wheelin with us? :)
I will be there, with Nate riding shotgun as always.
I think my TC shifter boot is from a Scout, does that qualify me for this event?:flipoff2:

I think my TC shifter boot is from a Scout, does that qualify me for this event?:flipoff2:

I think you have more scout left than I do.
Welcome. :D

Hey Ben, you said no camp fires allowed. Is this *absolutely* no open camp fires, or no fires on the ground.

I thought I have heard that if you use one of those "new" portable camp-fire pits, you know the ones that look like a big BBQ, some of them have a screen even you can sometimes have a "camp fire" when normal, ground-based camp fires are prohibited.

Can you confirm that?? If we can use them, I'll go get one. What's wheel'n and camp'n with no camp fire (besides getting to bed earlier :D)

This is all I know: (http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/wenatchee/recreate/reports.html#anchor255568)

HEADS UP! Campfire restrictions for the Naches Ranger District are in effect. Campfires are only allowed within signed developed campgrounds and the following wilderness areas: Goat Rocks, William O. Douglas, and Norse Peak. Persons maintaining a pressurized liquid gas stove, pressurized liquid gas fire, or an enclosed solid fuel fire that utilizes a wick to distribute a flame are exempt from this order. Some organizational camps are permitted one fire which must be contained within a developed fire ring. Always call the Ranger Station nearest where you want to visit to get the latest information on restrictions or visit the Forest website at www.fs.fed.us/r6/wenatchee."

If that doesn't answer your question, call the Naches Ranger District and ask them (509) 653-1400

Looks like we will have company on the trails.

http://www.zukiworld.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=adventure;action=display;num=1086101 036

Looks like we will have company on the trails.

http://www.zukiworld.com/cgi/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=adventure;action=display;num=1086101 036

Didn't look like they were having too much enthusiasm from the group..

So far, looks like good weather for the weekend...

76 friday, 73 saturday, sunny, with clouds... just about right...

Well Dan and I got the tranny fixed this week, so we took it to Browns Camp on Saturday. We had a great time, the truck did very welll. Up until the point we broke the front driveshaft and spent over 4 hours winching ourselves out. Even with the work, it was a really fun day. See ya all at the end of the week!

Carl

Dang Carl, you two are worse than me for carnage....... <chuckle>

Didn't look like they were having too much enthusiasm from the group..

So far, looks like good weather for the weekend...

76 friday, 73 saturday, sunny, with clouds... just about right...

Getting my front pinion seal fixed today, new rear axle vent line as well. Like the weather report too. :D

Looking forward to the good times. :)

ABSOLUTELY breathtaking up there yesterday! Mid 80's slight breeze, with not a cloud in the sky.

Made for some awesome conditions at the rocks.

You guys should have a blast.

Dang Carl, you two are worse than me for carnage....... <chuckle>

Hey we're breaking it in!!:D

Carl

Hey we're breaking it!!:D

Carl

Fixed it for ya... Not that there is anything wrong with carnage. Don't get me wrong. We all have to find the weak spots and break them so we can build stronger.. <chuckle>

So far, looks like good weather for the weekend...

76 friday, 73 saturday, sunny, with clouds... just about right...

:confused: Forcast for Yakima is high 90's Fri-Sat.

:confused: Forcast for Yakima is high 90's Fri-Sat.

I understood you peel about 10 degrees off the Yakima forecast for the Naches area.. but perhaps not.

OK, who is leaving when, and from where? I figured to pull out Friday am, around 6-6:30 am or so.. from Lynnwood area. Who else is leaving friday am and wants to caravan? I figure that will put me up at WJ around, what, 9:30-10am? I'll need to leave Saturday around 3pm or so, for a family function I really can't skip...

Also, I plan to take 410 up and over... Someone want to give me directions to the campground once I pass WJ? Seems like for the snort challenge we took a left off of 410, but nile appears to be to the right off 410, eastbound.. So that would make it south and west of 410..?

Hooper -
Milk Creek Rd is about 4 miles before Whistlin Jacks if you are coming from the west over 410. It is between mile markers 92 and 93. Milk Creek rd is the first right after Little Naches rd (aka FS Road 19). On a map Milk Creek rd is labeled FS Road 1708. If you pass Sawmill Flat campground you went to far, turn around. If you pass Whistlin Jacks, you went way to far.

Don't go to Nile, it is ~15 miles too far and on the wrong side of the road. :D

OK, who is leaving when, and from where? I figured to pull out Friday am, around 6-6:30 am or so.. from Lynnwood area. Who else is leaving friday am and wants to caravan? I figure that will put me up at WJ around, what, 9:30-10am? I'll need to leave Saturday around 3pm or so, for a family function I really can't skip...

Also, I plan to take 410 up and over... Someone want to give me directions to the campground once I pass WJ? Seems like for the snort challenge we took a left off of 410, but nile appears to be to the right off 410, eastbound.. So that would make it south and west of 410..?

Dan and I are leaving early friday morning, 5am I think is what was talked about. Dan will be towing the world famous "Big Red" up and I will be towing up Rock Scout with my Dad's truck. That is of course if we get the new tranny problem fixed :mad3: :mad3:. It has a :barf:'ing problem. We ran it this weekend without the dust cover and think we got some crap in the pump seal and it blew out. As we speak Dan is pulling the tranny and hopefully by the time I get home we can get it down, put the new seal in. Then it will be up to me to get the truck back together. If the problem isn't anything major then we'll have it, if it is....Guess I will be wheeling the TD Traveler.

FREAKIN' AUTOMATIC CANDY ASS PIECES OF JUNK......okay I feel better.

Oh yeah and there a brand new IR air nibbler sitting behind me to take care of the little fender issue!

Carl

Which route are you Oregon guys taking?

I'm leaving Yakima between 7AM and 8AM. Probably take me about 1.5 hours to get there.

Which route are you Oregon guys taking?

I'm leaving Yakima between 7AM and 8AM. Probably take me about 1.5 hours to get there.

Don't know yet, I think we are going via Goldendale. I will talk to Dan tonight and post back. It would be nice to follow you in. We'll let ya know

Carl

If thats what you want to do let me know and we'll figure out a plan. I'm going to be traveling kinda slow, the camper and trailer turned out to be quite a load for my Dodge to haul.

the camper and trailer turned out to be quite a load for my Dodge to haul.

Dodge??? When did you get a Dodge?

A few weeks ago. Now I don't have to use my Father-in-laws Ford anymore.

Welcome to the 'happy Dodge owners club' I love mine, and 14mpg while towing fully loaded is great. It gets good milage with the scout on the trailer too...( I'll be here all week, tip your waitresses)

I want to roll out of Oregon city by 5am. That puts us in goldendale around 7am. How far from GD is it to Yukima? Since we are both towing we can do 70 but IHC-6 is driving himself so I think we will be limited to around 60mph. Anyone else from Oregon want to meet up?

probably about 1.5 hours from Goldendale to Yakima.

Well, we'll just plan on meeting you around 9am in Yakima. Is that too late? Also, would it be in poor taste to bring the dirt bikes? Angela has had hardly any saddle time this summer and is jonesing to ride.

Side note. It looks like Carl is driving his traveler. I think the newst tranny carnage is not fixable in such short notice. I'll keep you posted but dont hold your breath.

I won't be speed limited. I should be able to go any speed you want to run as long as it isn't over 70 :D If we cross at Biggs Junction, just realize I will be climbing the hill at 60's era speed. :flipoff2:

I was limited on my first trip due to weight. I was out for over a week and carried supplies for 5 people when I ended up only needing junk for myself :rolleyes: The old beast was overgrossed the whole trip.

Looking forward to the trip. Got the rig packed tonight, and going to address of couple more things with the truck tomorrow morning. Hoping to kill my last oil leak, wish me luck.

We could meet at 9 at Slim's Market in the town of Naches. Its about 15 miles past Yakima on HWY 12. That would be alot easier than getting off the freeway somewhere in Yakima. Naches is also a good place to get fuel. Slims Market is on the right just as you come into town, there is a big parking lot, a Chevron, a grocery store and a hardware store, hard to miss it. If any of you have a cell phone you could call me when you get to Toppenish and that would give me time to get out on the road and hit Naches about the same time as you.

I don't have a problem with the dirt bikes. I don't know if you are planning to bring them on the trailrides or not, but all the bikers I've run into on the 4x4 trails said the ride sucked because the trails are too loose, steep, and rocky. There is an MC trail not too far from the campsite if you are just wanting to play with the bikes around camp.

Well, we'll just plan on meeting you around 9am in Yakima. Is that too late? Also, would it be in poor taste to bring the dirt bikes? Angela has had hardly any saddle time this summer and is jonesing to ride.

Side note. It looks like Carl is driving his traveler. I think the newst tranny carnage is not fixable in such short notice. I'll keep you posted but dont hold your breath.

Here is the latest news. When I got home Dan had the tranny on the floor and the torque converter wouldn't come out of the bell housing. We finally wiggled it off to find a bushing (our tranny guy calls it a "wedding ring") fused to the TC input shaft, probably from lack of lubrication. We waited for about 3 hours for our tranny guy to show up, but he was a no show, busy on another project. He called Dan at about 11 and said he'll be here with parts tomorrow morning at 10 am to fix it. So.....if all goes well and pending a catastrophic problem, Rock Scout will be there. If not, I will probably be packing a camera and begging rides. If the worst does happen, which it has quite often with this project, anyone got a free seat for a lowly truckless spotter. Don't worry, with me in the truck most everything will be my fault.

See you all this weekend!

Carl

Here is the latest news. When I got home Dan had the tranny on the floor and the torque converter wouldn't come out of the bell housing. We finally wiggled it off to find a bushing (our tranny guy calls it a "wedding ring") fused to the TC input shaft, probably from lack of lubrication. We waited for about 3 hours for our tranny guy to show up, but he was a no show, busy on another project. He called Dan at about 11 and said he'll be here with parts tomorrow morning at 10 am to fix it. So.....if all goes well and pending a catastrophic problem, Rock Scout will be there. If not, I will probably be packing a camera and begging rides. If the worst does happen, which it has quite often with this project, anyone got a free seat for a lowly truckless spotter. Don't worry, with me in the truck most everything will be my fault.

See you all this weekend!

Carl

But, it IS your fault :flipoff2:

RS will be there, the force is with you guys.

Ben, I think meeting in Naches is a great idea. If Binderbound has your number, that sounds like a plan.

Dan and I are leaving early friday morning, 5am I think is what was talked about. Dan will be towing the world famous "Big Red" up and I will be towing up Rock Scout with my Dad's truck. That is of course if we get the new tranny problem fixed :mad3: :mad3:. It has a :barf:'ing problem. We ran it this weekend without the dust cover and think we got some crap in the pump seal and it blew out. As we speak Dan is pulling the tranny and hopefully by the time I get home we can get it down, put the new seal in. Then it will be up to me to get the truck back together. If the problem isn't anything major then we'll have it, if it is....Guess I will be wheeling the TD Traveler.

FREAKIN' AUTOMATIC CANDY ASS PIECES OF JUNK......okay I feel better.

Oh yeah and there a brand new IR air nibbler sitting behind me to take care of the little fender issue!

Carl

?? The dust cover is not really a dust cover. It is an inspection cover, really, and marginally a flexplate guard... I can't imagine not having it on affecting the seal performance one way or another.

You sure it is the seal that is bad? Remember, the vent is also up there behind the torque converter. It could be spewing out of the breather vent. That could be from a couple different causes, the most likely is an overfull condition... Alternatively, if you put bolted the torque converter to the flexplate and then stabbed the tranny onto that (no mean feat) you could very easily damage that seal... as well as some bushings and other junk inside...

Auto trannies are temperamental beasts... no question... but clutches can be ugly beasts as well...

If you leave at 5am, that puts you into the campground around.... 9 to 9:30?

edit: <after reading Carl's follow up> Hmm, did you guys say you assembled this tranny yourselves? I melted one due to lack of lubrication once also.. Can't remember what I did wrong, but one of the bushings was not seated all the way or something like that..

Odd that the TC would not come off though. The bushing that was bad was inside the TC...? That sounds like *NO* lubricant, since all the TC needs is to be filled with fluid... Did you half fill the TC before you installed it? Before you run it this time, before you hook the coolant line to the radiator, start it up, put it in neutral with a bucket to catch the fluid. It should pump a quart in about, what 30 seconds or so... if not, you still don't have something right...

You are welcome to play co-pilot photgrapher for me if you need to Carl..

Hooper -
Milk Creek Rd is about 4 miles before Whistlin Jacks if you are coming from the west over 410. It is between mile markers 92 and 93. Milk Creek rd is the first right after Little Naches rd (aka FS Road 19). On a map Milk Creek rd is labeled FS Road 1708. If you pass Sawmill Flat campground you went to far, turn around. If you pass Whistlin Jacks, you went way to far.

Don't go to Nile, it is ~15 miles too far and on the wrong side of the road. :D

Sorry Ben, just trying to get this clear in my head... From mapquest, it looks like Milk Creek Rd is on the LEFT side of the road, if I am Eastbound... I found Little Naches Rd and Milk Creek Rd on the map... but it sure looks like Milk Creek Road is on the left side of the road? Am I looking at it wrong? 410 is actually headed north to south at that point, so that would put MCR on the East side of the road...

How far up Milk Creek Road will we be camping...? It looks like there is a Y on that road a little ways in... do I go left or right, or not that far..?

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One more thing, I will top off my gas tank in Enumclaw (used to be 35 gallons, but down to around 32 or 33 these days...) , and be carrying a 5 gallon Jerry, and probably a 3 gallon plastic tank, but if we are out wheeling all day Friday, should I top off somewhere up top also before we hit the trails, or before I head into camp? Isn't WJ the closest gas around there?

You are welcome to play co-pilot photgrapher for me if you need to Carl..

We had the tranny built be a guy in our club who has built them before. Oh for John's wife's T'all, sandrail and preformance stuff. The seal was definitly bad as our vent has been reloacated. As I type it should be getting fixed.....hopefully. See you all there

Carl

Without running through all 4 pages again, whats the tenative itinerary?? Are we planning on wheeling Friday afternoon?? Evening? Sounds like lots of people are planning on arriving in the 10-11-12 time frame..


man, and I was hopping to sleep in.....


We got a few WA guys (me, rick, pat, jay, ben), and some Oregon guys... who else??

I remember when you guys first got the scout running you had some vibration problems in the engine. I don't remember what the cause of the vibration was but it seems with extra vibration going through the crank and into the torque converter it could have easily tore up that bushing. This doesn't explain how it could have fused to the converter but at least it's a possible cause.
Good luck guys and get that thing together. I'm on my way out to put a valve body in my trans too. :)

What time are you leaving tomorrow Rick? Do you want to roll with us?

We had the tranny built be a guy in our club who has built them before. Oh for John's wife's T'all, sandrail and preformance stuff. The seal was definitly bad as our vent has been reloacated. As I type it should be getting fixed.....hopefully. See you all there

Carl

:ccol: Hope to see it there. I still don't think that running without the inspection cover can kill that seal...

Did you put the TC on the tranny input shaft, then install the whole tranny/TC on the engine? Did you get the TC COMPLETELY seated into the bellhousing? I am sure you have run through all those scenarios.. I just like to figure out what went wrong when something goes *that* wrong...

What time are you leaving tomorrow Rick? Do you want to roll with us?


O dark thirty I guess.... What time you guys leaving, I could roll with you?

:ccol: Hope to see it there. I still don't think that running without the inspection cover can kill that seal...

Did you put the TC on the tranny input shaft, then install the whole tranny/TC on the engine? Did you get the TC COMPLETELY seated into the bellhousing? I am sure you have run through all those scenarios.. I just like to figure out what went wrong when something goes *that* wrong...

We didn't use the factory torque specs this time putting it in and pulled it agains the bolts holding the flex plate on. I think this cocked the TC off center and inturn chewed up the bushing and seal. We are going to pull the lock washers off of the flex plate bolts and locktite them in, then use the correct torque for the flex plate bolts. Oh yeah, Colin is working on it right now. He getting a new pump and we are probably going to throw in a full manual vavle body that he has to save us the time of cleaning bushing shavings out of the Stage II VB we have in it now. Damn I hate being at work....I WANT TO WORK ON THE SCOUT!!!

:p

Sorry Ben, just trying to get this clear in my head... From mapquest, it looks like Milk Creek Rd is on the LEFT side of the road, if I am Eastbound... I found Little Naches Rd and Milk Creek Rd on the map... but it sure looks like Milk Creek Road is on the left side of the road? Am I looking at it wrong? 410 is actually headed north to south at that point, so that would put MCR on the East side of the road...

How far up Milk Creek Road will we be camping...? It looks like there is a Y on that road a little ways in... do I go left or right, or not that far..?

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Yes if you are eastbound on HWY410, Milk Creek RD is on the left. Stay on the main road until you get to Milk Pond and turn right onto RD 1707. The camp area is on the right hand side, approx. 1/4 mile. Its the first obvious dispersed camping area you come to. If I get up there early enough I'll put up some paper plate signs with IH on them to help everyone find it. Here's a map

Without running through all 4 pages again, whats the tenative itinerary?? Are we planning on wheeling Friday afternoon?? Evening? Sounds like lots of people are planning on arriving in the 10-11-12 time frame..


We are wheeling Friday, I'd like to get out of camp no later than noon. If anyone doesn't expect to be there by noon let me know so we don't wait for you. We will wheel all day Saturday, and probably Sunday morning depending on when everyone wants to head for home.

O dark thirty I guess.... What time you guys leaving, I could roll with you?

I originally planned to leave around 7ish, puts us up there around 10ish... but, whenver works for folks...

One more thing, I will top off my gas tank in Enumclaw (used to be 35 gallons, but down to around 32 or 33 these days...) , and be carrying a 5 gallon Jerry, and probably a 3 gallon plastic tank, but if we are out wheeling all day Friday, should I top off somewhere up top also before we hit the trails, or before I head into camp? Isn't WJ the closest gas around there?

Sounds like you should have enough fuel. If you feel like you are low after wheeling Friday you can run down to Whistlin Jacks and fuel up.

We didn't use the factory torque specs this time putting it in and pulled it agains the bolts holding the flex plate on. I think this cocked the TC off center and inturn chewed up the bushing and seal. We are going to pull the lock washers off of the flex plate bolts and locktite them in, then use the correct torque for the flex plate bolts. Oh yeah, Colin is working on it right now. He getting a new pump and we are probably going to throw in a full manual vavle body that he has to save us the time of cleaning bushing shavings out of the Stage II VB we have in it now. Damn I hate being at work....I WANT TO WORK ON THE SCOUT!!!

:p

This should probably be in a separate thread, but, at least it is tech...

I don't think what you describe would hurt things. When I do a tranny install, and I have done a few :grimace: I make sure the TC is seated fully into the tranny. Fully seated, means three clunks to get it to drop completely, and even then, I straight edge it to make sure... then I put a soft rubber pad on the face of the tc, and duct tape that to the bell housing. That keeps the TC from sliding forward off its fully seated position while I am manhandling it into place. Once it is up and lined up, I pull the pad and tape, but still make sure the TC does not slide forward. I line it up, and thread in the bellhousing bolts. Wiggle and jiggle until the bellhousing seam is tight, without having to use a wrench on the studs. I have always been able to get it butted up tight without torquing anything. Once the engine and tranny are mated, I climb underneath. At that point, with the tranny and engine mated, I *always* have to pull the TC forward just a bit. Maybe 3/16th of an inch, sometimes a bit less. That means, with the engine and tranny mated, as close as they can get, there is still *slack* between the flexplate and the TC. Always. Now, you can't pull the TC out too far, or it will not seat in the oil pump correctly, about all you can move it is 3/16th, and I think that is pushing it. the book says if it is more than (insert correct amount) then you should add a washer between the torque converter and flexplate. I was never comfortable using a washer. I always wanted a minimum shear distance between the flexplate and the face of the torque converter. Just paranoia on my part, but i figure those bolts have to put up with a lot of abuse, and that extra 1/8 inch might do them in. That being said, I have NEVER heard of flexplate bolts shearing, bending, or otherwise being mangled, even with a washer in there. Once I have threaded all the bolts in finger tight, I work my way around and cinch them up..

I think what happened is your torque converter was not seated all the way. When you cranked the engine and tranny together, you smashed the torque converter into the oil pump... When you fired it up, you killed the oil pump, killed your oil pressure, seals, bushings, etc... Tom did the same thing once, and I learned from him to triple check that the torque converter is seated completely. The torque converter should spin freely at all times until it is bolted to the flexplate. When you are lining things up between the engine and bellhousing, and cinching up the bellhousing bolts, keep one person underneath eyeballing and spinning the torque converter to make sure it spins freely.

Also, some torque converters only go on the flexplate one way. That is, if they are off by 90 degrees, all four bolts won't line up. I always test fit my torque converter to the flexplate, then spray paint a mark on the flexplate and torque converter, so that once I am under the truck, I can easily spin the torque converter to the correct orientation, and not have to trial and error which flexplate bolt goes in which hole... After that, I stand the tranny on its tail, (helps to have some help here) and stab the TC onto it. It always has three distinct clunks as it drops, and the lugs are ALWAYS lower than the face of the bellhousing by a quarter of an inch and half an inch...

Sorry to hijack the thread...

Got the directions clear now. Thanks Ben.

Only question on fuel for me comes from the SNORT put up or shut up a couple years ago. Stood my rig on its tail climbing that line at funny rocks, and sucked air from a partially fully tank.. I'd rather avoid that. But, I think you remember that was a pretty steep climb. I screwed up that time anyway. I topped off in Lynnwood, then got gas at WJ. But, I only put 5 gallons in at WJ because the pump kicked off. I thought it must be full and was pretty physched about the gas mileage (hindsight, yeah, I know) but odds are I had an airbubble that was kicking the pump off, and I only had about a third of a tank or so...

If I top off in Enumclaw, plus the onboard gas, I should be fine. I'll probably hit WJ Sat morning to top off also.

One more thing, I will top off my gas tank in Enumclaw (used to be 35 gallons, but down to around 32 or 33 these days...) , and be carrying a 5 gallon Jerry, and probably a 3 gallon plastic tank, but if we are out wheeling all day Friday, should I top off somewhere up top also before we hit the trails, or before I head into camp? Isn't WJ the closest gas around there?

Don't worry Pat, I am hauling 20 gallons extra plus two empties for anyone that needs to borrow a can or two. My last trip taught me to always pack mule lots of extra fuel. Some of the little towns out east I swear change the signs for the cost of fuel when folks from out of town hit the city limits. :D

Some of the little towns out east I swear change the signs for the cost of fuel when folks from out of town hit the city limits. :D

In WA we raise the price as soon as we see someone with Oregon plates. Then we point and laugh at them when they don't know how to pump their own gas. :p

In WA we raise the price as soon as we see someone with Oregon plates. Then we point and laugh at them when they don't know how to pump their own gas. :p

LOL. Unfortunately, the gas station attendant outside Bend threatened to have me arrested because I pulled up, hopped out of my truck, ran my card and started pumping gas. It was a busy station, but he came walking up after a minute and asked me *Credit of Debit*, I was using a debit that doubles as a mastercard, so I said, *Credit.. Debit - but I used Debit* at which point he looked very confused. Then I said *Don't worry about it. Thanks. I got it running, at which time I started kicking myself for pulling into the higher priced *full service* line, and getting ready to holler about lack of clear marking for full service while looking around for the signs indicating such. After a moment of confusion, he looks over and sees the numbers runnning and asks me if I am trying to get arrested. Now I was really confused. I figured there was some DOT violation on my truck he was talking about, so I said no, my truck was within legal limits in Washington, and thought it was in Oregon. At which point, he gets a completely blank look on his face... After a few seconds, he walks to the front of my truck and sees the washington plates. Then he says *In Oregon, it is illegal to pump your own gas.* I started laughing and said umm, ok, not thinking he was serious. He didn't think that was funny and asked if I wanted him to call the cops. I asked if he was serious and he said he was... I just shrugged and said I had no idea, and asked why they had such a strange law, in any case... he had some long rambling explanation about it raining too much in Oregon, which made about as much sense as nothing at all, considering Washington gets its fair share of rain, we pump our own gas, and the gas station had a roof. Now, if it had been New York, and he had said folks were worried about freezing to death while pumping gas, I would have found that sensible...

But, I digress again. Sorry.

Thanks for the info on the gas. I'll bring some cash so if I need to fill up at your Mobil Oil gas station, I can cover it... http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/Misc/HooperSmilie.GIF

I originally planned to leave around 7ish, puts us up there around 10ish... but, whenver works for folks...

7:00 is fine.
Patrick, give me a call this eve or I will call you.

7:00 is fine.
Patrick, give me a call this eve or I will call you.
Call me too... I'll meat you guys somewere on 405...


Take 169 to Ellensburg??

I will be there as well. I won't be able to leave until after 12pm from PDX so I will catch up to you guys Fri evening. What CB channel you guys gonna be on?

KZ

We usually run channel 24. If not on 24, then ch. 4 or 14.

Call me too... I'll meat you guys somewere on 405...


Take 169 to Ellensburg??

ROFL.

OK, Rick is going to *roll* with us, and Mark is going to *meat* us...

Sounds like quite a party... LOL

Rick, Mark, I'll get ahold of both of you this evening.

See everyone tomorrow. I have to go change the oil, filter, etc... so I am out of here...

Take 169 to Ellensburg??

??????? I hope your kidding.
Talk to you tonight Mark. :)

In WA we raise the price as soon as we see someone with Oregon plates. Then we point and laugh at them when they don't know how to pump their own gas. :p

Kinda like when the WA guys pull up to a podunk town station, flip the handle, and nothing happens? :p

I have seen that one too..... both are too funny :D

If anyone has an SWR meter please bring it. I got a new CB antenna and didn't have time to go back to the CB shop to get it tuned, so I'd like to tune it at camp if possible.

I've got one. I'll bring it.

Arrived home about 2 hours ago. A fantastic time, with good people, and good times.

Thanks to Ben for getting us all together :beer:

And thanks to Binder for letting me ride shotgun with him all weekend!

Ready to go again, and can't wait for it to happen.

Just waiting for some pics. Hooper?

I had a good time too. Lots of stuff to see. Great scenery.

:D

Yep, I have pictures and video, tons of it, trying to sort through it all, index the mpg's, etc. Gotta find some web space to host it all, at least temporarily also.. all told, about 45 minutes of video. Jeff did a great job with the camcorder..

I had a great time also. Good wheeling with some of you I haven't been out with before.

Here is a clip of Dan playing Chicken with some Doug Fir Trees...

Duck and Cover (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/DanCrash.mpg)

Here is a clip of Dan playing Chicken with some Doug Fir Trees...

Duck and Cover (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/DanCrash.mpg)

Damn, he must have a hot motor did you see how fast he accelerated?

Some hijacker thingy fawked my media player a while back and I cant watch that. Anybody know where I can download media player? I have to see it!

This is the directory I am loading the images into right now, but I don't think I have much space left...
http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/

Some hijacker thingy fawked my media player a while back and I cant watch that. Anybody know where I can download media player? I have to see it!

Try this http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/search.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=4

If you can't get Media Player to work you can use Quicktime (http://www.quicktime.com)

Here's some of my pictures.

Ken got alot of video footage today, it should be really good.

few more

Whoa. A little off camper there....
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140791

Is this the *can opener*?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140792

Damn, he must have a hot motor did you see how fast he accelerated?

That's an IH mill for you... they really get up and go..

Is this the *can opener*?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140792
No, thats "the crack".... but it can turn into the can opener if you slip in like Ken did.

He made a good assault, but was denied..... this time.

No, thats "the crack".... but it can turn into the can opener if you slip in like Ken did.

He made a good assault, but was denied..... this time.

Bleh. Sorry, I see that now... It was late last night.. never finished the mpg burns, have to try again today. My computer is balking at the size of the file...

Big thanks out to Ben, I had a great time, even when the Scout was acting up I still had a great time!!! Good pics so far and I am glad you got the video of Dan up. Shocked eveyone at work when I showed them. Hope to do it again real soon.

Carl

Big thanks out to Ben, I had a great time, even when the Scout was acting up I still had a great time!!! Good pics so far and I am glad you got the video of Dan up. Shocked eveyone at work when I showed them. Hope to do it again real soon.

Carl

Hope to do what, shock everyone at work, crash Dan's truck, or go wheeling up there....? ;)

Found out when I got back to camp that I got a nasty laceration/abrasion on my forearm. Must have happened when I was getting out of Dan's way....

I heading out in a few to pick up my SLR pictures...

And yes, great job Ben orgazing the event, and shepherding us around. Thanks again.

That video is crazy! You can hear me yell 'look out!' Its spooky hearing no motor, just trees crashing and me yelling. :barf: :barf:

*edit* I watched it about 5 more times now. I cant believe nobody died. My hands are shaking like they were right after that happened. Kinda sweaty too. Angela didnt even feel the front tire go through the floor. :eek:

That video is crazy! You can hear me yell 'look out!' Its spooky hearing no motor, just trees crashing and me yelling. :barf: :barf:

*edit* I watched it about 5 more times now. I cant believe nobody died. My hands are shaking like they were right after that happened. Kinda sweaty too. Angela didnt even feel the front tire go through the floor. :eek:

You are very, very right on the last. People could easily have died. All those folks parked on/next to the trail at the bottom of the hill, out milling around, if you had not managed to drag your rig off the trail (and right at me might I add) you could EASILY have gone right into the crowd.

Something else to consider, there were some logs lying down, sticking sideways into the trail, had ANY of those grabbed an axle, sheet metal, tire, etc, you would have been in a barrel roll, right into the crowd....

Also, had you hit one of the big, unforgiving trees, you and Angela would be very bad off, but by threading your truck between them, you hit that much smaller tree which, while beating your truck up pretty good, had enough give in it to stop you, but not kill you....

You had angels on your fenders for that one!!!

Everyone remember, looking up a steep hill at a rig coming down might seem fun, but remember to get off the trail, and out of line if a rig loses control like that... and if you are out of your vehicle, get up high alongside the trail so you don't become roadkill.

Your driving skills and reflexes saved lives there Dan... Were you pretty achy and sore by that evening?

You had angels on your fenders for that one!!!


Your driving skills and reflexes saved lives there Dan... Were you pretty achy and sore by that evening?

My wrist was sore, more than after the bike crash. Angela's side hurt, probably from the belt burn. I have a steering wheel mark on my leg. Thats it amaizingly.

I didnt have much time to do anything. All I knew was straight was better than right (people) or left (hillside/logs/rollover?) I really wasnt trying to kill you :) Gonna have to re-evaluate the brake systems on the new trail rigs.

Somebody was watching out for Angela I think. God gave up on me a long time ago :D

My wrist was sore, more than after the bike crash. Angela's side hurt, probably from the belt burn. I have a steering wheel mark on my leg. Thats it amaizingly.

I didnt have much time to do anything. All I knew was straight was better than right (people) or left (hillside/logs/rollover?) I really wasnt trying to kill you :) Gonna have to re-evaluate the brake systems on the new trail rigs.

Somebody was watching out for Angela I think. God gave up on me a long time ago :D

Someone asked why you didn't hit the e-brake. I told them you didn't have a spare foot to push the ebrake lever with, since you had both feet smashing the brake pedal, and I am not sure the ebrake wouldn't have done more harm than good in that situation. As it was, you retained some semblance of *control*, it was a *controlled crash* so to speak...

I have 45 minutes of video, but I am trying to take it apart and burn it into small segments. Took 19 megs to save it to the computer though, and then I was out of room, and my computer couldn't handle the file, so I am going to dump that file, and record short segments, convert and compress those, then delete the original large files. Probably take me a day or two to get it all done... but there is some great footage of Ben, Carl, Rick and I working the rocks, then some interesting trail footage, including a clip where jeff is recording from inside the cab as we crawl up one of those steep, loose hills... Nice clip of the yellow jeep just about doing an endo down the same hill. It is taken from the front and below, but you can see his back end climb way up, and his weight shift... he was a heartbeat from being on his lid...

I'll try to get more of it done tonight... and post some clips.

I too had a truly great time! I didn't get any footage of Dan's mishap, but got some of the extraction and carnage that resulted. I didn't really get any of Sat. but some pretty cool stuff from the rocks Sun.
Here is a link with some video http://www.screenblast.com/tmbrtank/roundupteaser
There is 3 vids on there so far but only the first one is from this weekend. I am working on getting the rest on there as well. I will post back later when it's up.
Thanks to everyone for a great weekend, can't wait to do it again.
Dan you have my respect for having picked the only line that could have saved injury.

KZ

PS I will continue to torture you guys with MY music until I get complaints :flipoff2:

tmbrtank- I can't get the video to work, what video player does it use? Can you email the video file to me? scoutguy61@yahoo.com

Doesn't work for me... :(

Doesn't work for me... :(

Doesn't work here, either :(

the one from roundup works for me but none of the others do.

I scanned in a bunch more pictures, and set up an index page. I will add some verbage to it in a short while..

Funny Rocks, Moon Rocks, Kaner Flats (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/)

Rats. Dang Front Page screwed me up again. I fixed all the links so the thumbnails point to correct files. See if those work better...

Rats. Dang Front Page screwed me up again. I fixed all the links so the thumbnails point to correct files. See if those work better...

Thanks Hoop, a few of Dan's still give you the "Page Not Found" error. Thanks for the pics

Carl

Hmm, OK, I see why. Fixed em. If you see any more, please let me know. Now I gotta go clip some mpg's...

Here is my recollection of the trip. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or wants to add anything to it, please let me know.

The long awaited PNW PBB wheeling trip weekend dawned cool and cloudy, but the weatherman promised sunshine and warm temperatures. I met up with Rick W in South Everett and we headed south. Mark A was originally going to hook up with us somewhere along I-405, but he called to say he was running late. The drive down to Hwy 410, Chinook Pass, was uneventful. We stopped in Enumclaw for some gas, food, and to use the facilities, then headed up over the pass. The sun broke through the clouds at around the 3000 foot elevation mark, and we were treated to some spectacular views of the mountains. We pulled off onto Mill Creek Road around 9:45 or so, having made the drive in just under 3 hours. No one was in the campground, so Rick and I looked around and spotted a couple nice spots for tents. Just a few minutes later, however, Jay W showed up and said he was just a bit farther down the road, and Ben showed up right after and told us the group would be camping a hundred yards or so farther along. We had already set out our tents, but we just tossed them on the trailer and hauled our gear up to the general camp area. Once there, we picked out new sites, and set up camp.

By the time we finished setting up, several more people had arrived. John D and Jeff Easterbrook showed up in his classic Travelall, loaded for bear. He had enough stuff in his rig to feed and house an army for a week. Jeep Ben, Carl and Dan arrived at the same time, and they all picked out tent sites and started unloading. Before too long, everyone was squared away and we were ready to hit the trails.
By about 12:30 or so Friday afternoon, we were on the trails. It was pretty warm, and everyone was keeping a close eye on their temperature gauge. The first tough line was a steep uphill climb on loose dirt and rock. Ben went first, followed by Jay, and Carl. JD headed up but about ¾’s of the way to the top ran into problems. His engine died, and he could not get it started again. He ended up backing down to flat land, and we spent several minutes tinkering to get it going. Eventually, it fired up again. By that time, Ben W had circled back around to lend a hand. John D decided not to press his luck with the hill, so he and Ben took the road up and around, while Rick and I climbed the hill.
Once past this obstacle, we headed met back up with the group and continued on the road, but not too much farther along, John again had engine trouble. This time, his throttle lever retaining clip snapped. After a bit of struggling with it, they found a clip that could be modified to work. By this time, however, JD decided he had better park his rig and ride shotgun for the duration.
The next hour or so we spent climbing switchbacks up the side of the mountain. It was painfully dusty and hot. I had brought a dust mask and goggles this year, so I was spared most of the distress. My engine, however, was not spared, and the temp gauge climbed inexorably higher with every foot of elevation gain. The trail wound in and out of trees, crept around stumps and squeezed through trunks tight enough to knock the dust off the sides of my truck. At one point, Carl got tired of all the caution and used the RockScout as a bulldozer to push through a deadfall.
I was next to have minor problems. As I came around one corner, my engine stalled and died. I turned the key but got no juice, so I hopped out with my trusty hammer and jumped the poles on the starter. Unfortunatly, just a bit farther down the trail, I stalled again, but this time, I got no juice across the poles, the starter wouldn’t turn. I tried rapping on it, but to no avail. I walked around topside to take a look at what was going on, and could hear my coolant boiling in the block. I wanted to get the engine started quick to get the coolant flowing again. I tried the key, but still nothing, so I went back inside the wheelwell and checked the cables. I wiggled the pos and neg wires, and tried the hammer trick again. This time, the engine caught and ran. I hopped back in the driver seat and we headed off, with me being careful to keep it from stalling.
Before too long, we arrived at funny rocks. We took turns at several lines across the rock face. One set of ledges gave most of us quite a bit of trouble, and I believe only Ben W and Rick W made it up. Even then, it took Ben several tries, some good wheel spin, and some momentum to fight his way up and over. Carl tried the line next and did a good job getting up on the ledge. But, his motor died, and he couldn’t get it restarted. He rolled back off the ledge to see what was wrong, while I lined up for an attempt.
I made it up to the ledge in good order, but could not get over it. I tried several lines, and several throttle positions, but couldn’t get up and over. A couple folks told me my front passenger tire was not pulling, so after a few more unsuccessful attempts, I backed off and took a line to the right up to the top. I blocked my truck and jacked the tire up. Sure enough, the wheel was spinning free on the hub, and the axle was not turning. I took the hub apart and found the selector was not forcing the locking gear into place. I cleaned it up, and put it back together. With the tire in the air, the hub locked to the axle. Unfortunately, when I went down and around to try the ledge again, the hub, once again, was not engaging. I pulled off to the side and took the hub apart again. This time, I added a spindle nut, and put everything back together. That did the trick, and I had 4wd again.
With all 4 tires pulling, I decided to take another stab at the ledge. I pulled up and onto the first step. With all four tires chirping, I climbed higher onto the ledge, but just as I though I was going to be up and over, my rear tires swung down and to the left. When they hooked up again, the passenger side of my truck rose up I the air. Jeff later told me I had about 3 feet of air under my passenger front tire and about a foot under my passenger rear. I was sure I was about to test my roll cage, so I leaned inward, popped the truck into neutral, and took my foot off the brake. That allowed the truck to roll backward, and dropped my passenger side back onto terra firma. That was enough for me, and I decided to save the ledge for another day.
Carl and Dan finally got RockScout running again. I think it ended up being a coil wire shorting out. We all spent a good while trying different lines up and down the rocks. Rick gave the line just to the right of the big snag a good try, but couldn’t get good purchase for his tires and didn’t make it up.
After playing on funny rocks for a while more, we headed over to Moon Rocks. I hadn’t been to Moon Rocks in a couple years, and the lines I remembered from the SNORT Put up or Shut Up Challenge had changed dramatically. We all scattered and tackled different lines and obstacles for a while, each rig looking for lines that would challenge their rig and their abilities. Sometime while playing at Moon Rocks, Ben W broke one of his rear springs and bent the other. He had to winch his axle back into place, and jerry rig it to get him back to camp. Once he was secure, we headed out, picked up JD’s Travelall, and headed for camp..
Mark A met us back in camp. He had pulled in a little earlier in the afternoon. Rob and Rayna Moyer showed up not long after, Ken Z as well. Ben broke out the tools and everyone set to work jacking his truck up, and removing his broken springs. After a short time, we had the springs out, and Ben loaded into his truck to drive to town and pick up some replacements. Just a short walk from camp was an ice cold little stream. We all took advantage of the opportunity to wash the caked on dust from our hands, faces, and arms, then we broke out stoves and plates and fixed dinner. I had freeze dried spaghetti and meatballs, others had sandwiches, burgers, the usual camp fare. With dinner dispensed of, it was time to relax. It wasn’t long until it got dark, but fire restrictions prohibited open campfires. That didn’t keep a campfire circle from forming, however, as we exchanged comments, quips, and stories about the day, as individuals plied their beverage of choice. It wasn’t long until it quite obvious that some of our group were suffering from extreme sleep deprivation, the result of busy days and nights spent wrenching in preparation of this trip. Not long before about 11pm, the circle broke up, and everyone headed off for bed.
Saturday morning dawned cool and clear. By about 8am, most folks were up and preparing for breakfast. Soon the sound of frying eggs and sizzling bacon, filled the air, while the aroma of hot pancakes and syrup floated on the breeze. Shortly on the heels of breakfast was wrenching time as folks tweaked, fiddled, fixed, and repaired their rigs in preparation of the days activities. By about 10am, we were all lined up and ready to head for Kaner flats.
Saturday wheeling consisted primarily of tight trails and steep climbs. We wound our way in and out of the forest, climbing higher and higher on the shoulder of the mountain. Throughout the day we had the occasional flooded carb, blown oil filter, and dead ignition woes, but nothing that took very long to fix. The weather was absolutely perfect, warm in the sun, and cool in the shade. Recent rains had given life to the forest hills, and the meadows were thick with grass and flowers.
The afternoon looked to be a fun, if uneventful, day of wheeling, until around 1pm. We had all gathered in a meadow on top of a tall hill, waiting for a group of quads and trucks sitting at the bottom of a long hill climb. After waiting for about 15 minutes or so, Ben headed on down to see what was taking them so long. After a short couple of minutes, he called back on the CB and told us to go ahead and head down in groups of 3, but to be careful as it was very steep, and very loose. I cut into line to head down the hill, so we could get good video footage of the following rigs working their way down. Just as Ben had advised, the hill was covered with very, very fine dirt power, and about halfway down a large root protruded into the hill. The downside of that root was a large hole that kicked my rig off camber as I dropped in, while another root protruded from the right. I made it down without incident, but called back to warn folks of the hole and remind them to be alert.
Mark was next down the hill. He crawled down very carefully and made it without incident. Jay came down after that, and then Carl, I believe. Dan, with Angela as co-pilot was next to head down, and that is when trouble started. As he worked his way down, he stayed to the right on the trail, trying to dodge most of the big hole. But, his passenger front tire hooked on the root burl sticking in from the side, and hung him up. He put his truck in reverse and eased his way up off the root burl. But, when as he shifted into drive, and started forward, he dropped into the big hole and his engine died. What happened next occurred seemingly in the blink of an eye.
The group we had been waiting for had arrayed themselves along and in the trail at the bottom of the hill, where they had paused to eat and walk around. I had placed myself well off to the right of the trail, between two large fir trees, with my back to a third, smaller tree to lean against while I took the pictures. I was snapping stills with my camera when I saw Dan’s truck suddenly accelerate downhill. I heard Dan yell Look out, and I turned to scramble uphill. His truck rapidly accelerated to breakneck speed, and careened wildly down the hill. I turned and watched it miss Jeff by just a half a foot, and scream past me. It bounced off some cut logs lying alongside the trail, slammed back into the ground, and then squeezed its way between the two massive firs I had been standing between only a second before, slamming both fenders into the unforgiving bark. With a loud crack I saw the tree I had been leaning against snap and fall to the ground as Dan’s truck ran headfirst into it. As everything came to a stop, I heard a loud whoop from inside Dan’s truck. He had come to rest an arms length away from me where that smaller tree had finally halted his forward progress. I jumped to the driver door to look inside, fully expecting to see Dan and Angela seriously hurt form the impact. From Dan’s whoop, I knew he was conscious, so I asked if he was hurt. He said no, unbuckled his seatbelt and climbed out, before turning to help Angela out. She too had escaped any serious injury, although she did have some bruising on her hip from her seatbelt.
There is no question that Dan’s driving prevented serious injury or death. Had he not gotten his rig off to the side of the trail, he may very well have crashed pell-mell into the crowd of rigs and spectators on the trail below. Had he swung either left or right a foot, he would have crashed headlong into one of the massive firs, which would have been much less forgiving than the tree that fell.
With Dan’s rig wedged between the trees, we surveyed the damage. At first glance, the worst of it appeared to be a cracked front housing. It had split from top down in an ugly tear. Ben W, Mark A, Dan, and others put their heads together, grabbed a highlift handle and some chain. By hooking the winch under the axle, then up over the highlift handle, which rested on top of the pumpkin, but was chained to the passenger side tube, they were able to truss the axle in place well enough for Rick W to winch him out. Surprisingly, despite the collision, Dan was able to start his engine, put it in 2wd, and help back out.
Meanwhile, we had directed the rest of our group on down the hill, and the crowd that had been waiting either continued on up the hill, or turned and headed back down. Ben W headed on down the trail to assess whether it would be better to haul Dan back up the hill to a nearby gravel road, or continue downhill to a much more distant road. In the end, he recommended Dan be pulled back up the hill, as, even with the hill climb, it was more likely his trussed axle would survive that climb, than the rough trail below.
Rick W was called into tow truck duty again, and, since I had been planning to head for home early that afternoon anyway, I also turned around to follow Rick and Dan up the hill, and then assist/follow Dan back to camp and his trailer. Rick and Dan made it back up the hill before I got situated and turned around. Angela climbed in with me and we made the drive back up the hill.
Once we got to gravel, Rick turned around to rejoin the group, while Dan, Angela, and I headed down the gravel road toward camp. We kept it pretty slow, since Dan’s rig was crabbing horribly down the road, and he said his steering was extremely sloppy, but after about 45 minutes, we finally made it back into camp. I left Dan to survey the damage while I loaded up my gear in preparation of the drive home. Just as I finished loading up, Dan called me over to look at the damage. It was far more extensive than we had first seen. As we catalogued the damage, we realized it would probably be a shorter list of things that were NOT broken or bent. It is amazing that the truck was able to drive down off the mountain under its own power. Both tie rod and drag link were bent, the axle was cracked, the steering box had ripped loose, the frame had split open like a banana, the driver front shackle perch had torn loose, the passenger spring was bent, and the passenger rear spring perch was torn. There were bogger marks against the inside of the firewall, and the firewall was dented in from where the tire had tried to climb through the metal. The drive tire had a deep slash in it along the tread, and the oil pan was dented from the tie rod. On top of all that, the hood was jammed, the fenders were crushed, but the headlights and radiator were intact thank to the strong brush guard.
After taking a few more pictures of the carnage, I said my goodbyes and headed out. I passed the rest of the group just a bit past the entrance to camp, as they finished their run, and I headed west to go home. Just as I pulled onto the pavement, I realized my arm was stinging badly, and I noticed I had a long gash along my forearm. Sometime in my scramble to avoid being run over, I had lacerated it on something. I paused long enough to put a couple bandaids on it, aired my tires up, and headed West. 3 hours later, dusty and tired, I pulled into my driveway. It was a great trip, and while it is unfortunate that Dan’s rig got mangled, the thought of how much worse it could have been, compared with the relatively minor injuries suffered, still amazes. As I told him, he had angels on his fenders that day... but with a co-pilot named Angela, what else would you expect?

Eastern Washington Wheeling Index Page and Narrative (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/)

I don't know how or why it changes the format when I publish it to that website. The one from the round up is wmv 9 and some are realplayer. I am not sure yet how to send the file to anyone else. I will get out the impact wrench and see if I can fix this damn thing :D

Please try again and let me know what happens. I just put one more up there of me bein' stupid in the crack that is the WMV 9 format. You have to let it load completely then play again or it is very choppy. Maybe you guys with cable will do better. I don't know anything about these computer thingies.

I will do my best to make something else work tomorrow as I have to get some sleep and go to work soon. I will also send out copies of the footage I have to anyone that was there that wants one. Just send me a PM with your address and I will get 'em out this week.
Check back to that site once in a while to see if it has been corrected.

KZ

Dang! Bummed out now that I didn't go. Haven't got the Scout steering box fixed yet And we're trying to but a house. Longfield and I will make the same run end of Nov, Dec some time. Will let you guys know

So I have tried something else. Try this one if it works better for more people I will do some more screwin around post more here......http://www.screenblast.com/tmbrtank/Naches_2004
A lot of people have no problems tho with the other site.

KZ

So I have tried something else. Try this one if it works better for more people I will do some more screwin around post more here......http://www.screenblast.com/tmbrtank/Naches_2004
A lot of people have no problems tho with the other site.

KZ

OK, how did you do that and how much does it cost. That is a heck of a lot better than what I am ending up with right now...

Those videos work for me. Is there a way to save them to my hard drive from that site, I was unable to find a way.

So I don't remember how much it cost me to use that service, it was part of some package deal with the editting software I bought. Unfortunately they are closing down the site as of 9/1/04, so I don't know what I will do after that. I also have no idea how to transfer the files to someone's hard drive. I am not much of a computer person. I am compliling all of the shorts from that site onto VCD's. There will also be a lot more footage on the hard copies. The VCD will play in 90% of DVD players and the quality is much better. Again I will make copies for anyone that was there for free. If someone else wants a copy it will cost about $5 including shipping. Just PM me with your address and I will get some copies out by this weekend. I am glad they seem to be working now.
If anyone knows of another site or way to share these files please let me know I would like to continue to post video beyond Sep 1.

Tiffanye has finally calmed down enough to watch and talk about the trip!!!! She really didn't like that downhill nose stand :shaking: but I did!!!!!!!!!!!!

KZ

The simplest way to share your videos would be to get some webspace and put them there. You can get a free website at a place like geocities or usually your ISP account will include a 10 MB personal website. Then you use an FTP program to copy the video files to your website. Then people would download the video to their harddrive and watch it, rather than streaming the video like your current site.

Ken, you gonna be at the meeting? Ide like a copy of whatever you got. Half tempeted to bring a dvd player and TV to the meeting.

Ken - I finally got the other videos to work on the first site you posted. I had to install the newest version of real player, and now they work fine. Nice job.

Here is some more video footage.

I think my webspace is about maxed out, so I don't know how long I can leave these up. It is about 70M worth of video. Sounds like the audio got a bit messed up on a few of them...

That is the first half of the tape. I don't think the second half of the video tape has as much interesting stuff on it. Mostly just trail running, but I will pull a few videos off that tonight or tomorrow.

The entire 45 minute video is 1.4 GB uncompressed. I will try compressing it tonight to see how big it would be. I am trying to get it down to VCD size... so I can burn a bunch of copies on CD and send them to whomever wants them...

Ben Climbing Ledge At Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/BenUpFunnyRocks1.mpg)

Ben Climbing Ledge At Funny Rocks 2nd Attmept (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/BenLedge2.mpg)

Ben Climbing Ledge At Funny Rocks - Successful (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/BenFunnyRocksLedgeSuccess.mpg)

Ben Climbing Climbing The Crack At Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/BenUpCrack.mpg)

Ben Climbing Left Line At Moon Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/BenMoonRocksLeftLine.mpg)

Carl Clmbing Ledge At Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/CarlFunnyRocks.mpg)

Carl Clmbing RocksAt Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/CarlUpFunnyRocks.mpg)

Hooper Clmbing Ledge at Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/HooperFunnyRocksLedge.mpg)

Hooper At Moon Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/HooperOnMoonRocks.mpg)

Rick On Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/RickDownFunnyRocks.mpg)

Rick Climbing on Funny Rocks (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/RickFunnyRocks.mpg)

Rick Climbing The Crack (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/VideoFiles/RickUpCrack.mpg)

Dan's Crash (http://ftp.vandermeerfp.com.xohost.com/Wheeling/EaWaJuly2004/DanCrash.mpg)

Yep. 40M over limit... Have to go see what I can trim off...

The simplest way to share your videos would be to get some webspace and put them there. You can get a free website at a place like geocities or usually your ISP account will include a 10 MB personal website. Then you use an FTP program to copy the video files to your website. Then people would download the video to their harddrive and watch it, rather than streaming the video like your current site.
I will have to dink around some and find some webspace somewhere else. My ISP did not include anything and Sony's screenblast was inexpensive with 128MB of storage. I'll figure something out soon. What the hell is an FTP program? At work it means something rude about The Pooch.
I am glad it is working for most of you now.
Dan, No I can't make it to the meeting (working nights and all), but I will try to slap something together and get a copy to John D before the meeting.

KZ

thanks buddy!

So Ben your copy went out today(+1 for whomever else you want to share with). John D has a copy and the rest can be burned as needed. Dan I will get some more copies made and swing 'em by Binder Books very soon. I didn't get carried away with editting or fancy effects or any of that other crap. And I apologize but the last half is all me :flipoff2:
Anybody else need/want a copy? Rick you are getting one as well since I already have your address. I need addresses to send these to. Mark? Pat? Bueller...Bueller...Bueller.......


Kz

Ken, your so good to us. First, giving your sisters phone #out over the internet, now your sending out wheeling DVD's. :laughing:

Thanks Ken, I'll give the other copy to Jay.

Sure Ken. Thanks

I'll PM you the number

On another note, I need to pull those mpg's and free up some disk space... everyone done with them?

Rick you are getting one as well since I already have your address.
Kz

:smokin: Thanks.

Just finished watching the VCD, nice job Ken. Where can I get the soundtrack? :D Some of the music sounds like the Mighty Mighty Bosstones crossed with Scottish folk music.

Ironicly I tried to find my Bosstone's albums and settled on Dropkick Murphy's. They are a bunch of great guys that live in Boston. If you have a problem finding them let me know I can help. Glad you liked it.


For everyone else expecting a VCD I have been trying to add the Round-up video to the Naches vid with little luck. I'll get something out to you guys soon.

KZ