i want a set. i thought it was arizonazuk or something. but i can't remember. any problems with them yet?

You're probably thinking of Rudezuk... he has 'em. I want a set, too, but gotta get a few others things before I drop a grand on new t-case gears. The 4.16:1 will just have to do for now, I guess. :rolleyes: :D ~Steve

Originally posted by suzuki w/the HEAT
i want a set. i thought it was arizonazuk or something. but i can't remember. any problems with them yet?

Dave from AAPOA
rudezuk
and me!............................................... ........some day:mad:

Dave at asian auto in phoenix has them
(asian auto parts of az)

Rick D.

You can get the gears from Dave at www.asianautopartsofaz.com

I have a set in my Samurai and they've held up really well. The super-low gearing is simply wonderful! I highly recommend them.

I wish I would have waited just one more friggin week to buy my gears! I would have definitely got the sumo's. Especially since I am going 37's

Yes get them!!! They are awesome!!!
Dave will treat you right!

Originally posted by suzuki w/the HEAT
i want a set. i thought it was arizonazuk or something. but i can't remember. any problems with them yet?

they suck! with stock Zuki axles, and 5.12's...the crawl ratio is great..but so far I have busted 3 short side axle shafts, one locker and one 5.12 pinion....

with the dana alxes I am going to use, they will be great!

they are sooooo quite....it's unreal!

sad part is the next batch isn't going to be here until next month.

Dave, what week in febuary are you looking at on getting in the sumo's.



Rick D

Our 6:1 Megacrawler gears have been selling like hotcakes. People love them. Built from +9000 alloy (others are only 8620 alloy), much quieter than GRP's, warrantied, precision run-out, the larger tooth design creates a much stronger design than other 6:1 gears on the market.

They're definetely the SHtuff!

http://www.rocky-road.com/zukdrive.html

Do some aftermarket companies always have to cut down there competition? I am really sick of hearing it all the time. I would rather here it from the consumer.

:mad:

Originally posted by mudlite
Do some aftermarket companies always have to cut down there competition? I am really sick of hearing it all the time. I would rather here it from the consumer.

:mad:

I agree! With the discussion about traction bars a couple weeks ago, I heard Sky-Manf. pushing there set-up over anything else, saying their's is the only design that works. I was curious about the Spidertrax one (mainly due to price), so I called Tom and talked to him about it. He said they have been running their design for 9 years, and it helps a lot. He said the shackle ones don't really work. He also was honest in saying that he's doesn't totally eliminate axle wrap, but it sure helps a lot. I really like the Tom and the guys at Spidertrax, very helpful and informative. Just my opinion. ~Steve

Originally posted by squirrelman83


the Spidertrax one (mainly due to price), so I called Tom and talked to him about it. He said they have been running their design for 9 years, and it helps a lot. He said the shackle ones don't really work.


This is funny... and very duplicitous.

So what you are saying is acceptable as product representation..... Flat out stating the other guy's stuff "don't really work"?

Or providing quantitative specifications that one product is built from stronger material than another (and at much greater investment I might add)???

Gimme a friggen break :^P


Besides all this, specifications like this do matter not only product durability and representation, but as well in purchasing desicions of this magnitude.

Originally posted by zukstur
Dave, what week in febuary are you looking at on getting in the sumo's.



Rick D

I am not sure when they will get here.....
the nice feller making them wants us to take orders first, then send the gears later...
well, I am not into that....
even though some guys are willing to pay in advance....or even put a down payment on them....

Originally posted by mudlite
Do some aftermarket companies always have to cut down there competition? I am really sick of hearing it all the time. I would rather here it from the consumer.

:mad:

oops...sorry I didn't cut down the comp...I was joking when I said our 6.1's suck..lol They Rock! just too low for stock axles with 5.12 ring gears....hehe

let them other guys talk trash..I ain't scared....lol

I buy what I use too....so I am a customer too.

i'll be blunt.... i would avoid doing buisness with rocky road.... umm at any cost. i know it's not just me... i'll stop here for the sake of someones super duper, unblemished "reputation" in the 4x4 community. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

got something for glenn though....
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heres one for ya RRO :flipoff:

i will never make that mistake again :D

There is alot of love in the room, I can feel it.:smokin:

Originally posted by Rocky Road



This is funny... and very duplicitous.

So what you are saying is acceptable as product representation..... Flat out stating the other guy's stuff "don't really work"?

Or providing quantitative specifications that one product is built from stronger material than another (and at much greater investment I might add)???

Gimme a friggen break :^P


Besides all this, specifications like this do matter not only product durability and representation, but as well in purchasing desicions of this magnitude.

Glenn

I got your "Break" right here in my BVD's...lol

dis post was about "SUMO Gears" if ya haven't got em....then shut the hell up..the people are wanting to know about them...and for Christ sake..stop using BIG words....I had to get the Dictionary out 3 times just to read this....lol

Vendor Wars Rock, bring down the cost of cool stuff too!

I ain't scared.....

Bring it down.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by fatkid
There is alot of love in the room, I can feel it.:smokin:

LOL...hey, I am just trying to get off the "Newbie" list...lol

hey Glenn, that was just a joke....take it like one....

Sumo Products ROCK

Originally posted by Arizona Zuk


oops...sorry I didn't cut down the comp...I was joking when I said our 6.1's suck..lol They Rock! just too low for stock axles with 5.12 ring gears....hehe

let them other guys talk trash..I ain't scared....lol

I buy what I use too....so I am a customer too.

My comment wasn't about you. Your comment had nothing bad to say about the sumo gears. You just said the rest of your truck was failing.......LOL. This is the kind of comments the list likes to hear. Not the dribble that Glen spews out about using superior steel that is better than his competitors. give me a break!!!!

This post was about SUMO GEARS.

If you have em , lets hear about it.

Originally posted by Arizona Zuk


LOL...hey, I am just trying to get off the "Newbie" list...lol

hey Glenn, that was just a joke....take it like one....

Sumo Products ROCK

That's BS! I'm going to be a wheeler 1st Dave!:D :D :D :D

Originally posted by poppycock
i'll be blunt.... i would avoid doing buisness with rocky road.... umm at any cost. i know it's not just me... i'll stop here for the sake of someones super duper, unblemished "reputation" in the 4x4 community.



Yo, Cock-boy, or whomever..... Grow up you doofus!


The gears we carry are manufactured by the same great folk that do the "Sumo" gears.... so we are talking about the same stuff. I salute Dave for having the wisdom to chose the best ultra-low gearset out there and am happy to be on the same team.

We're just giving ours a different name and I provided a few details on the manufacture.

Originally posted by Rocky Road




Yo, Cock-boy, or whomever..... Grow up you doofus!


The gears we carry are manufactured by the same great folk that do the "Sumo" gears.... so we are talking about the same stuff. I salute Dave for having the wisdom to chose the best ultra-low gearset out there and am happy to be on the same team.

We're just giving ours a different name and I provided a few details on the manufacture.

I thought yours were the Roadless gear ones??????????

We know the 6:1's don't like stock axles, anyone running them with dana or toy stuff? How's the axles holding up (asuming your running some hard stuff)? I know when I go 35's I am going to want lower gears.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
We know the 6:1's don't like stock axles, anyone running them with dana or toy stuff? How's the axles holding up (asuming your running some hard stuff)? I know when I go 35's I am going to want lower gears.

hey Chris.....you have a great camera, and know how to use it..and post plenty of truth about stuff....
so when you get ready to do Anaconda..how about using My Sumo?

you got to give it back when your done...lol

Roadless gear ones? I've never talked with Bill about having him do any gears thru us.


I'll be running a Megacrawler on my Sidekick equipped with D44s and 5.38's. That vehicle's a couple months out from being completed though.

Originally posted by Bill4rest


That's BS! I'm going to be a wheeler 1st Dave!:D :D :D :D

In your dreams white Boy!

ok, maybe you will, I got stuff to build....

Originally posted by Rocky Road
Roadless gear ones? I've never talked with Bill about having him do any gears thru us.




I think they mean the "RockHopper" gears, made by Liam in the Land Down Under.....

Our Gears are made by Elves in England.....you would know if they were the ones we have.....

Dave, they are holding up quite well with the D44's and the 37's and the 16v, i have 5.38's and i go about 70mph on the freeway, very very quiet, alot quieter than my old grs1!
.....Ive done the rubicon in them, and since it is all snowed in, many snow runs....and you can ask anyone i wheel with...I fully get it in my rig!

Originally posted by Arizona Zuk


hey Chris.....you have a great camera, and know how to use it..and post plenty of truth about stuff....
so when you get ready to do Anaconda..how about using My Sumo?

you got to give it back when your done...lol

I know I shouldn't but I think I'll take you up on that. It will be a good test of the axles too, one of AZ's hardest trails and the lowest t-case gears you can buy.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I know I shouldn't but I think I'll take you up on that. It will be a good test of the axles too, one of AZ's hardest trails and the lowest t-case gears you can buy.

cool beans.....
I ain't scared....just don't blame me if it breaks your Yota Axles..lol

I want to take pix for you anyway....and get one of you doing a stand up wheelie........hehe

I also am collecting video on the runs we are doing, I want to get about 4 hours of fourwheeling, duplicate it and sell it. So far were planning on having Highway to Hell, Anaconda and Armageddon on the tape, and if it's OK with Brian I will throw the footage of Predator/Annihilator on as well.

Originally posted by RudeZuk
Dave, they are holding up quite well with the D44's and the 37's and the 16v, i have 5.38's and i go about 70mph on the freeway, very very quiet, alot quieter than my old grs1!
.....Ive done the rubicon in them, and since it is all snowed in, many snow runs....and you can ask anyone i wheel with...I fully get it in my rig!


I kinda interested to see how they work too, Should work well at the Hammers. If they work I may have to pick up a set.:)

Originally posted by squirrelman83


I agree! With the discussion about traction bars a couple weeks ago, I heard Sky-Manf. pushing there set-up over anything else, saying their's is the only design that works. I was curious about the Spidertrax one (mainly due to price), so I called Tom and talked to him about it. He said they have been running their design for 9 years, and it helps a lot. He said the shackle ones don't really work. He also was honest in saying that he's doesn't totally eliminate axle wrap, but it sure helps a lot. I really like the Tom and the guys at Spidertrax, very helpful and informative. Just my opinion. ~Steve


Not to beat a dead horse, but how do the shackle style traction bars not work? I have seen them in use and can say the rear axle does not wrap when romped on even with a V-8 and gears. I know because I followed this guy all day long and he wasn't shy wiith the gas pedal.


http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2001/3-01firebired/dscn2030.jpg

http://www.azrockcrawler.com/_images/2001/3-01firebired/dscn2029.jpg

His traction bar looks just like the one from Sam's offroad.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler



Not to beat a dead horse, but how do the shackle style traction bars not work?

Hey Chris,
I'm running one from Sky and it works really well... The only suggestion I have for anyone looking to install one is take a good look at how it welds up to the axle tube...
After whacking the rocks at the beginning of Tobasco Twister last month, I found a small tear where one of the brackets bit into the tube. The bracket is 1/4" plate, so the tube doesn't stand a chance without some additional help.
When I fixed the tube, I just added some 1/4" wall squre tube to the underside (to match the front axle) - and cut and welded the bracket to the new armor. It took away a little clearance, but I won't worry about tearing open a tube...
Sharp rocks eat parts down here, so a little armor goes a long way.

Originally posted by billjohn


I found a small tear where one of the brackets bit into the tube. The bracket is 1/4" plate, so the tube doesn't stand a chance without some additional help.


i haven't seen how the Sky bracket is welded on the tube-does the 1/4'' plate wrap completely around the full circumference of the tube and get welded to "itself" again?

(reason i ask is my Breeze mount is a full wrap around style, and haven't heard of any probs with them. is it a matter of time kinda thing?:eek: )

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler



Not to beat a dead horse, but how do the shackle style traction bars not work?

I was just passing along what I heard... take it for what its worth. I'm not saying it's my opinion, I'm just saying that's what Tom at Spidertrax told me. Don't shoot the messenger. :eek: I was re-enforcing the fact that mudlite pointed out... a lot of aftermarket companies bash their competitors (or their products); I saw this from Sky and from Spidertrax, and from a few others on different topics. Just relaying personal experiences. I don't know which works better, I've never seen either in action. I'm sure they both work, and I'm sure one works better than the other. :flipoff2: ~Steve

Oh, and Glenn, don't worry, I won't ever buy anything from you, especially after the high degree of maturity you've exhibited here (Cock-boy? :rolleyes: ) and from what I've heard about your great customer service. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by UZI 9mm


i haven't seen how the Sky bracket is welded on the tube-does the 1/4'' plate wrap completely around the full circumference of the tube and get welded to "itself" again?

No, it just covers 180 degrees. In the photo you can see the bottom of the tube bracket, this is where I took the hit. With the thin suzuki tube, any major whack on a bracket that is welded perpendicular to it will cause some damage if it isn't supported somehow. The bottom of the bracket in this case puts a corner at the tube.

Originally posted by Rocky Road




Yo, Cock-boy, or whomever..... Grow up you doofus!


i stand by my original post. i'll pass on the name calling and internet fighting... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by billjohn
The bottom of the bracket in this case puts a corner at the tube.


I don't have any pix of the new rear armor, but it is basically the same as what I put up front (see below) and the bracket is now welded to it for support. If a rock takes out the 1/4" wall tube... then I'll bet there are more things to worry about then a small puncture {grin}

Originally posted by squirrelman83


I was just passing along what I heard... take it for what its worth. I'm not saying it's my opinion, I'm just saying that's what Tom at Spidertrax told me. Don't shoot the messenger. :eek: I was re-enforcing the fact that mudlite pointed out... a lot of aftermarket companies bash their competitors (or their products); I saw this from Sky and from Spidertrax, and from a few others on different topics. Just relaying personal experiences. I don't know which works better, I've never seen either in action. I'm sure they both work, and I'm sure one works better than the other. :flipoff2: ~Steve

Oh, and Glenn, don't worry, I won't ever buy anything from you, especially after the high degree of maturity you've exhibited here (Cock-boy? :rolleyes: ) and from what I've heard about your great customer service. :rolleyes: :flipoff2:


I was just wondering if he had a reason. The ladder bar style traction bar designs are pretty much proven on nearly every other vehicle out there. I have neither right now, so I am in the information gathering mode.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


I know I shouldn't but I think I'll take you up on that. It will be a good test of the axles too, one of AZ's hardest trails and the lowest t-case gears you can buy.

Ooooo Chris That's VERY DANGEROUS.......:eek:
I hope you got yer credit cards paid up!:D


Before I went to .25 ellipt. in the back, I'd fabed a ladder bar w/ a shackle for my CJ springs - it worked Very Well.








Wakefield, are you EVER gonna learn?
If you don't have anything good to say, then keep your pie-hole Shut.

Originally posted by Arizona Zuk


I think they mean the "RockHopper" gears, made by Liam in the Land Down Under.....

Our Gears are made by Elves in England.....you would know if they were the ones we have.....

oh WOW!

hey Boys and Girls..guess what?


I was out in the shop today, and when I walked around the corner......there stood the main Elf......I about had a heart attack.....I had no idea he was going to fly all the way from England to see me.....

ok, well he didn't just come to see me...he came to bring Glenn from Rocky Road some 6.1 gears! so now Glenn and Asian Auto Parts are both getting the gears from England....

we are getting more in Feb, but are out for of them again for right now...

so , I guess Glenn wasn't talking crap about our gears..My Bad.....lol

Originally posted by Arizona Zuk


In your dreams white Boy!

ok, maybe you will, I got stuff to build....


I have stuff to build too:D But I also work for the US NAVY so I have a lot of time on my hands at work:flipoff2:

It's the old Wendy's/Burger King fight. Mine is better than yours.....Well it is still a dead frickin' cow. I have purchased products from AAPA and RRO and the service has been EXCELLENT in both cases. If I had a question it was promptly answered.


let's not fight.........if you do i'll put you in the corner till you learn your lesson........



my $.02

Word to the wise, avoid RRO....

Bill -

Any chance you could post a link to the full size pic of your bar?

Originally posted by Bill4rest



I have stuff to build too:D But I also work for the US NAVY so I have a lot of time on my hands at work:flipoff2:

LOL....I'm 20 post up on ya......even though what I say don't amount to a Hill of Beans....hehe

Hey, remember that idea we we're talking about last night?

I showed it to the Elves.....and they say it's a cool one too!

4 point mounts are better than just 3...

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler



I was just wondering if he had a reason. The ladder bar style traction bar designs are pretty much proven on nearly every other vehicle out there. I have neither right now, so I am in the information gathering mode.

He told me that their's is so good because it mounts to the bottom of the axle housing. It this way, it keeps the 3rd member from wanting to turn towards the t-case (point up). I understand what he means. It seems like a very simple and primitive means of reducing axle wrap. Just a bar that mounts to the frame and to the bottom of the axle. Seems like it would work, but who knows. ~Steve

It mounts on the bottom? Doesn't that kill your ground clearance? I thought I saw a pic with it attached to the top of the housing somewhere, no pics on their site though.

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER


Ooooo Chris That's VERY DANGEROUS.......:eek:
I hope you got yer credit cards paid up!:D


Before I went to .25 ellipt. in the back, I'd fabed a ladder bar w/ a shackle for my CJ springs - it worked Very Well.



Lol, I still owe on the card. I was at 4 Wheeler Supply the other day, they had 5 brand new 35 x 12.50 MTR's stacked up, used maybe once. I told the guy to give me a price on the tires my wife can't refuse :D Actually I want to try the gears just to put a little more strain on the axles, I like pushing the boundaries. The 6.1's will take me from a 94:1 to a 117:1 crawl ratio, not sure if that is low enough so I am seriously thinking about starting a Klune fund :) From watching our video of the run up the Lost World last weekend I can see the automatics made it up the first waterfall easier because they had hardly any wheelspeed once they got to teh steepest part, took me a couple tries to slip the clutch and keep my wheelspeed down so my tires would grab. I have been learning a lot from watching the videos after our runs.

Originally posted by yurtle
Bill -

Any chance you could post a link to the full size pic of your bar?

I will when I get home tonight. Gotta find something decent.:D

Originally posted by Arizona Zuk


LOL....I'm 20 post up on ya......even though what I say don't amount to a Hill of Beans....hehe

Hey, remember that idea we we're talking about last night?

I showed it to the Elves.....and they say it's a cool one too!

4 point mounts are better than just 3...


yea I'm going to look at it right now............

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler
It mounts on the bottom? Doesn't that kill your ground clearance? I thought I saw a pic with it attached to the top of the housing somewhere, no pics on their site though.

This is what it says about it on their site, as far as mounting...
"The unique design of this kit places the lower link mount on the underside of the rear axle. The dynamics of this setup not only properly eliminates axle wrap but allows for proper motion of the suspension without binding."
Yeah, it would take away some ground clearance, but it probably wouldn't be too much. Besides, it gives you an excuse to go to bigger meats. Afterall, you have to make up for that lost ground clearance somehow. :D ~Steve

Originally posted by yurtle
Bill -

Any chance you could post a link to the full size pic of your bar?

Hey Yurtle,
I'll do you one better. Here is the url for the review I did on it. There are some decent shots in the article.;)

http://www.izook.com/reviews/skybar/skybar.htm

Originally posted by Rocky Road




Yo, Cock-boy, or whomever..... Grow up you doofus!


The gears we carry are manufactured by the same great folk that do the "Sumo" gears.... so we are talking about the same stuff. I salute Dave for having the wisdom to chose the best ultra-low gearset out there and am happy to be on the same team.

We're just giving ours a different name and I provided a few details on the manufacture.

So Glenn, why do you say in a prvious post that Quote

" Built from +9000 alloy (others are only 8620 alloy)"

Does your product not stand up alone, or do you continually have to bash your competitors to gain market sales? You just don't get it do you?

" Built from +9000 alloy (others are only 8620 alloy)"


Aaaaahhh, I think you better check that.

How can you state so confidently that you know what ours are made out of ? Considering youve never laid eyes on them this is a peculiar thing to claim?

Do you know what the difference between 9000 and 8620 specs is ?
They are different steels altogether, one is not superior to the other, they just have different properties. In fact 9000 grade would be too hard and give poor resiliance to shock loading. 8620 is more maleable, but it still isn't our choice.

Liam
Rockhopper

hey , if the numbers are higher, that means its better right?

ROFLMAO

:flipoff2: Fawking Newbies:flipoff2:

1018 is better than 01 right?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


Lol, I still owe on the card. I was at 4 Wheeler Supply the other day, they had 5 brand new 35 x 12.50 MTR's stacked up, used maybe once. I told the guy to give me a price on the tires my wife can't refuse :D Actually I want to try the gears just to put a little more strain on the axles, I like pushing the boundaries. The 6.1's will take me from a 94:1 to a 117:1 crawl ratio, not sure if that is low enough so I am seriously thinking about starting a Klune fund :) From watching our video of the run up the Lost World last weekend I can see the automatics made it up the first waterfall easier because they had hardly any wheelspeed once they got to teh steepest part, took me a couple tries to slip the clutch and keep my wheelspeed down so my tires would grab. I have been learning a lot from watching the videos after our runs.

35 x 12.50 MTR's

I seen them too.they wanted $150 each....and they are a little used.....seen stickers in them....

anyway...the Goodyear stores here in Arizona are holding a half price sale on the 27th and 28th....so you can get those tires for $131 each.....cool?

Originally posted by Rockhopper
" Built from +9000 alloy (others are only 8620 alloy)"


Aaaaahhh, I think you better check that.

How can you state so confidently that you know what ours are made out of ? Considering youve never laid eyes on them this is a peculiar thing to claim?

Do you know what the difference between 9000 and 8620 specs is ?
They are different steels altogether, one is not superior to the other, they just have different properties. In fact 9000 grade would be too hard and give poor resiliance to shock loading. 8620 is more maleable, but it still isn't our choice.

Liam
Rockhopper

Liam

I don't think Glenn said the Rock Hopper gears were 8620....he was talking about other gears.....

are you sure 9000 is too hard? I have no clue..but I don't have to know..I am not a gear maker...lol

he could have seen your gears, if you could have made them for him.....I think he tried getting them from you, but never did right?

...so he had to get the Sumo's from England instead....

Dave, for our design it would be too hard. If you changed different aspects of the gears you could get away with it, but then other parameters are affected.
To get the result we wanted this wasnt an option. Unfortunately in gearcutting theres a heap of variables, most are related. Even some of the simpler software programs such as gearcad list 50 different variables for very basic gears and thats before you even get into the various characteristics of different steels or the technicalities of what the machines can physically cut.
Like I said, for us that grade would be way too hard, giving poor resiliance to shock loading.

Originally posted by billjohn


Hey Yurtle,
I'll do you one better. Here is the url for the review I did on it. There are some decent shots in the article.;)

http://www.izook.com/reviews/skybar/skybar.htm

So Bill, in your opinion do you think your Zuk climbs obstacles better with the traction bar?

Originally posted by Gozuki
1018 is better than 01 right?:flipoff2:

This is great then, with this loggic I don't have to run a D60 now, I can downsize my D44 to a D30 and have more strength......Bawhahahahaha.

Originally posted by Azrckcrawler


So Bill, in your opinion do you think your Zuk climbs obstacles better with the traction bar?

In a word, yes.
Long answer -
Before installing the bar, I had spring wrap from hell. The guys ahead of me would tell me that they could see my rear pinion dancing up and down 8-10 inches when climbing loose rock faces. I ran the risk of twisting the springs (7 leaf packs) and whacking the driveshaft yoke.
Now I get steady power to the tires for more control. I consider this the best way to control a leaf sprung axle.

Originally posted by Rockhopper
Dave, for our design it would be too hard. If you changed different aspects of the gears you could get away with it, but then other parameters are affected.
To get the result we wanted this wasnt an option. Unfortunately in gearcutting theres a heap of variables, most are related. Even some of the simpler software programs such as gearcad list 50 different variables for very basic gears and thats before you even get into the various characteristics of different steels or the technicalities of what the machines can physically cut.
Like I said, for us that grade would be way too hard, giving poor resiliance to shock loading.

Liam

All that makes sense for you blokes south of the Equator....but we're North of the Equator....so we had to find a gear maker that is also north of the Equator.....

you see, your toilet water swirls the wrong direction for North America!