Checkin out the new FourWheeler mag tonight and they show new items that were at the SEMA show. On page 58 they show a new ujoint from Superior Axle. It is a 297 replacement and says it "uses a special alloy along with a beefier design to resist breakage".

Anyone know anything about these? Are they using 300M also? Their website doesn't have any info.

todd i'm pretty sure its the 5-760x -Jess

It is a 300m cross with spicer needle bearing caps. It is in durability testing right now. It will not be as strong as a CTM but will require less service due to the needles. Should know more at the end of the month.

I believe those are made by the OX Locker. I was speaking w/ the owners a few weeks ago & checked out the joints. They are definately beefy & are the same quality as the OX Locker is.

Here's a quote for DTD's ad in this months 4 Wheel Drive and SU mag...

Superiors front axle system. Super alloy crmo shafts feature rolled splines and double heat treatment. Superiors u-joints will exceed all others in strength and durabilty. The axle and u-joint are combined to create the STRONGEST AXLE SYSTEM AVAILABLE. Make your Dana 30 or 44 match the strength of a Dana 60.

Do I believe every thing I read... Hell no...

I want to see thier test results!!!

I wonder what CTM thinks about this...

Originally posted by Tim Palen


I wonder what CTM thinks about this...

Being an :usa: American :usa:, I'm just happy that CTM will have some competition. Maybe the price'll come down a little quicker if the Ox Trax/Superior/whatever ones cost a little less.

All hail CAPITOLISM and the free market economy!!!


(Now get out there and go buy stuff so my stocks start going up again... ;) )

Originally posted by Tim Palen
<snip> ... STRONGEST AXLE SYSTEM AVAILABLE.<snip>

I wonder what CTM thinks about this...

since CTM doesn't sell a whole "system" ... ie no axle shafts. i'd say that IF DTD's stuff is better than whatever other "systems" are out on the market they will have a valid claim.

- jack

If these ujoints are using stock spicer caps, then these ujoints are 100% :rainbow:.

Originally posted by morpheus


since CTM doesn't sell a whole "system" ... ie no axle shafts. i'd say that IF DTD's stuff is better than whatever other "systems" are out on the market they will have a valid claim.

- jack

:eek: "Superiors u-joints will exceed all others in strength and durabilty." :eek:

This is what I was wondering what CTM thinks about...

I wonder how a set of Warn shafts with CTM joints would compare... Maybe they should combine these and call it a system.

Yes I agree that competition is good, it's the :usa: American :usa: way.

Like I said show me the test results.

I've talked to DTD directly, and basically what I was told was the same as someone else mentioned:

300M cross, needle bearing caps (not sure if stock spicer or what), made by OX locker company, should be very strong, availability end feb.

I suspect that they will be very strong, but not quite as strong as CTM. OTOH, they will perhaps be more livable with the needle bearings (??). They should also be signifigantly cheaper than CTM, only because I know DTD does not usually go to market with something they don't believe they are going to get real volume on.

All in all, I think the competition will be good, and those of us with 44 front ends have a lot to look forward to as these new products come out and hopefully improve. It won't make a 44 into a 60, but it might be enough to enable those with signifgant investments in their 44s to hang onto them due to the increase in strength.

Chad

Originally posted by Lance
If these ujoints are using stock spicer caps, then these ujoints are 100% :rainbow:.

:eek: :eek: :eek: Don't pack em so full of grease next time :D

Originally posted by Lance
If these ujoints are using stock spicer caps, then these ujoints are 100% :rainbow:.

Lance is dead on..... 3 of the last blown 297's I've had blew out the end of the cap. If it is not addressed, the "new stronger cross" is useless

When these come to market we will see even more Tj's running 38's on stock axles :eek: I'm sure it will be a good design and I'm looking forward to when I can afford some of there dana 44 axle shafts. Comitition is good, as long as the little guy isnt pushed out of compitition. All though I think few will be swayed away from CTM's as they are directed at the real hardcore.

I'll dig up some pictures on the DTD/Ox... they are a dramatically different design than a standard spicer joint...

The body of the DTD/Ox joint is bored, and the 'caps' stick INTO the body... this allows more bearing length (to better spread the load) and a thicker effective trunion. The trunion, in this case, is on 4 pieces, each of a soild cap that sticks into the bored trunion.

Conversely, on a Spicer joint, the diameter of the trunion is limited to the inner diameter of the cap, minus any bushings or bearings used.

It is the difference of an 'innie' vs. an 'outie' :D

These DTD/Ox joints also used a rather unique 'latch' to retain the four 'caps.' I don't recall whether this 'latch' is a supplement to clip-retainers, or a replacement.

I'll tell you, though, when you hold one of these things in your hand, you'll be impressed. CTMs are damn nice, but you have to know the metallurgy to be really impressed... the OX joints are impressive from a mechanical perspective... creative AND they look sexy, too. Though the hottie in the next booth over at SEMA might have had something to do with the wood sprouted in the DTD/Ox booth. :p

Randii

Originally posted by randii
Though the hottie in the next booth over at SEMA...

Pics ? :grinpimp:

Here's a coupla pix... perhaps not the curves Dan is looking for... :p

http://www.outdoorwire.com/gallery/trailshots//Trade_Shows/SEMA_2001/Highlighted_Parts/tn_pb010106.jpg

http://www.outdoorwire.com/gallery/trailshots//Trade_Shows/SEMA_2001/Highlighted_Parts/tn_pb010107.jpg

I don't have any disassembled pix, does the 'innie/outie' description above make sense?

Randii

Though the hottie in the next booth over at SEMA...
Pics ? :grinpimp:
Dan, I did find one nice technical picture with a pretty fair background of the young lady in question... :D
http://www.outdoorwire.com/gallery/trailshots//Trade_Shows/SEMA_2001/Highlighted_Parts/pb010104.jpg

Now isn't that a sexy actuator? Hint: look in the foreground ya pervs...

Randii

well if looks stand for anything that should be one tough fawker

anyone know how much $$$

No, not for blondii, for a set of front axle shafts :D

Originally posted by randii
Here's a coupla pix... perhaps not the curves Dan is looking for... :p

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I don't have any disassembled pix, does the 'innie/outie' description above make sense?

Randii

Those pics are significantly different than the ujoint they show in the mag. (not just talking about the fancy finish either :D )

Originally posted by TJoop


Those pics are significantly different than the ujoint they show in the mag. (not just talking about the fancy finish either :D )

Yeah what he said...here's the one from the mag that's the Superior Axle brand. Can't wait to see which one's hold up to punishment and which one's make for some sweet carnage pics :D

Looks like the u-joint crazy is on the roll for the Dana 44-sweet:D Now I wonder how hard you could "push" "her" until her joints "break"......:D :p :eek: :beer:

Originally posted by Shaker
Looks like the u-joint crazy is on the roll for the Dana 44-sweet:D Now I wonder how hard you could "push" "her" until her joints "break"......:D :p :eek: :beer:

mmm no longr carrying spare joints in a few years, we will al be carrying spare ring and pinions

im waiting for some CTM's, There proven to be unbreakable. :D

Originally posted by randii
I don't have any disassembled pix, does the 'innie/outie' description above make sense?

Randii

Did you just not take pics or would they not let you disassemble the joint? Friend of mine went to the show and saw those joints, guy at the booth took the joint back when he tried to take the caps off to see what was up.

They weren't allowing pictures of the disassembled joint... nbnut with the camera in the bag, we did take it apart. I described the results above -- the 'caps' are actually elongated and fit INSIDE the body. Cool!

Randii