http://www.secretreality.com/jeep/trails/wrecking_ball/P1120215.JPG

Looks like it may even be near production by the looks of the sidewall (I don't think these are custom cut)

http://www.secretreality.com/jeep/trails/wrecking_ball/P1120203.JPG

still looks like a lot of work has been done with a groving iron. it may just be a new tread design but it looks like it was done by hand to me. might just be the pics. it really doesn't look anymore aggressive than a mud terrian.

I know the sticker says BFG on his door, but man those sure look like michlien tires

Originally posted by welndmn
I know the sticker says BFG on his door, but man those sure look like michlien tires

That might be explained by the fact that Michelin owns BFG. :p

That might be explained by the fact that Michelin owns BFG.

Close, but no cigar.

Michelin doesn't own BFG. BFG doesn't make tires anymore, haven't for a loooong time. they're still a medium weight player in the aerospace business.

They sold Michelin the liscence to make and market tires under the old BFG name and pattern. All BFG's have really been "Michelins" for many years.

Originally posted by BillaVista


Close, but no cigar.

Michelin doesn't own BFG. BFG doesn't make tires anymore, haven't for a loooong time. they're still a medium weight player in the aerospace business.

They sold Michelin the liscence to make and market tires under the old BFG name and pattern. All BFG's have really been "Michelins" for many years.


Wow, you learn something new everyday. That's pretty interesting.

Lesson #2

All GE and RCA consumer products, along with Philips consumer products and professional video gear are made by one company: Thompson Multi-Media of France.

How do I know? They just bought my company as well.

They also own Technicolor.

Originally posted by Screwzer
Lesson #2

All GE and RCA consumer products, along with Philips consumer products and professional video gear are made by one company: Thompson Multi-Media of France.

How do I know? They just bought my company as well.

They also own Technicolor.

Why is it then that GE and Phillips products always seem to be of a lesser quality than RCA??

;) Hey...Let's talk more about the tires, they look tall enuff...but not very wide. Why didn't the guy who shot these pics ask what the scoop is? How about that passenger...I'd like to see her groove!!!

That's Mike from 4XDoctor in Burbank, CA. Give hima a call and ask him.:D

Dont buy philips light bulbs, they made there name makin flash bulbs and thats what they are good at

for some reason i just can't get excited about BFG tires. i have run them on my DD for years but when it comes to a serious rock tire they just don't seem to me like they are really in the game. i mean hell even pro comp makes a better tire then they do now and pro comp sucks.

Right on Camo. I totally agree. BFG's are waaayy too overrated.

I dont know if those are actual BFG's, but they are coming out with a new rock-crawling tire to compete with the Goodyear MTR's. It is supposed to be a similar design to the MTR but come with a semi-blank tread pattern so you can custom groove a pattern to you liking. One of our customers is hooked up with BFG and is trying out a set of the new ones.

Originally posted by camo
i mean hell even pro comp makes a better tire then they do now and pro comp sucks.

Well, since we're on the subject of who really makes what......Pro Comp does NOT make tires. All tires labeled "Pro Comp" are actually produced by Cooper :)

TEX

They look like a cross between a Pro-Crap Xtreme and a Michellin. I thought BFG was going to produce something manly for rock crawling?? Im still a swamper man myself. :D

Originally posted by BillaVista


Close, but no cigar.

Michelin doesn't own BFG. BFG doesn't make tires anymore, haven't for a loooong time. they're still a medium weight player in the aerospace business.

They sold Michelin the liscence to make and market tires under the old BFG name and pattern. All BFG's have really been "Michelins" for many years.

hahaha, i thought they looked close!

Originally posted by Rockbuggy
They look like a cross between a Pro-Crap Xtreme and a Michellin.

Same thing I said to myself...

As for the tires - ((yawn)), not impressed :p

Originally posted by BillaVista


Close, but no cigar.

Michelin doesn't own BFG. BFG doesn't make tires anymore, haven't for a loooong time. they're still a medium weight player in the aerospace business.

They sold Michelin the liscence to make and market tires under the old BFG name and pattern. All BFG's have really been "Michelins" for many years.

I could be wrong, but "BFGoodrich" and "Goodrich have been two seperate entities for a few years. BFG was spun off the parent corporation and eventually sold to Michellin. Goodrich is the aerospace division. Correct?

Well, try visiting www.bfg.com and se what you find.... for the longest time they had a "Hey, we don't do tires any more!" notice on there... don't see it any more though....

BFG is trying to have a greater presence in rockcrawling. They have worked out a deal with UROC to offer some contingency money for UROC competitors who run their tires. You can see the details at:

http://www.uroc.rockcrawler.com/custom2.html

I saw those tires in Phoenix at the expo, didn't get any info, though. I hope those sidewalls are tougher than the old ones. Seems like anytime someone rips their sidewall its a BFG. A guy in our club blew up his lockers and transfer case after blowing all 4 BFG's and having to run different sized borrowed spares. I cant blame that completely on BFG, it takes a real Neurosugeon to pull that off.:D

Where ya located in O-town? My cousin lives in Bellvue. You guys will have to hook up and head down here. We have some pretty decent trails and some lovely rocks. My cuz' runs an 87 4Runner that I converted to Straight axle. He just got done swapping in a Vortec V6. Sweet rig. There will be a local(Omaha) club headed down here with him in May. I think. Wanna play?

For those of you that don't know me my name is Jim andI work at the four x doctor in Burbank.
Those tires ARE BFG's and they are fairly aggressive. The compound they used in the rubber is fairly soft. the voids in the tread in most places is actually wider then in a swamper.
and yes they we're hand cut. They are a prototype that BFg is currently working on. By the way they are also 6 ply tread and a 5 ply sidewall. the size of the tire is 37x12.50x17
Thats right 17's. If you get the chance swing by the shop and check'em out you might like what you see

Whats with the 17's?? The BFG protos that Mark from Sports in the Rough was running were 17s as well...who in the hell asked for less sidewall??? Are these guys paying attention at all...and they wonder why Goodyear is kick their a$$.

thanks for the 411 shaft.

since you guys have the prototype in your posession can i assume you have some inside info? what are the chances they will actually build a tire with those spec for public sale? the specs sound decent enuff but it seems like they would build a true 40" tire to take advantage of the legal limit in arca. Your thoughts?

Originally posted by scwafish
Whats with the 17's?? The BFG protos that Mark from Sports in the Rough was running were 17s as well...who in the hell asked for less sidewall??? Are these guys paying attention at all...and they wonder why Goodyear is kick their a$$.

17's are the wave of the future for competition wheeling. Less hop, and sharper turning ability when aired down. Goodyear makes a 37 x 17 MTR. ;)

Originally posted by scwafish
Whats with the 17's?? The BFG protos that Mark from Sports in the Rough was running were 17s as well...who in the hell asked for less sidewall??? Are these guys paying attention at all...and they wonder why Goodyear is kick their a$$.


as soon as i can get my hands on some 40" x 17 thats what i will be running. less side wall (compared to a 15" ) is exactly what we need. at 40 x 17 there is plenty of sidewall flex and much better lateral suport. when you turn the tire your rig actually turns instead of just mushing the tire over like it does if you have a huge sidewall.

All I can say is I hope youre kidding...if anyone here thinks the "handling" of their superflex rock rig is now limited by tall sidewalls they're either standing too close to the exhaust pipe or too embarrassed to admit they didnt see the gate, or have watched the Fast and the Furious too many times.

As to hop and bounce, if a monster truck can catch huge air, and land smoothly, I think the hop of 37-40" at low psi rubber can be controled with the right shock valving and spring rates

There might be adequate side wall in 40" 17s, but Marks 35"17s didnt wrap around stuff nearly enough, and would even bottom on the rim centers and the wheel beads were getting shredded.

Originally posted by scwafish
All I can say is I hope youre kidding...if anyone here thinks the "handling" of their superflex rock rig is now limited by tall sidewalls they're either standing too close to the exhaust pipe or too embarrassed to admit they didnt see the gate, or have watched the Fast and the Furious too many times.



nope not kidding. yes i belive the tall sidewalls of my 38 x 14.5 x 15 sx's adversely affect the way my rig steers at slow speed while crawling. at 3 psi i can watch the tire rollover and the front end push off a line while the rig right behind me running the 37 x 17 mtr at the same pressure runs the same line and the tire does not roll over and he sticks the line.

btw i don't compete so i could care less about hitting gates and i have never seen the fast and furious. i just spend alot of time wheeling and try alot of diffrent combinations of parts on my rig. hate to be the one to break the bad news to ya but them 17" tires work better in the rocks.

Originally posted by scwafish


There might be adequate side wall in 40" 17s, but Marks 35"17s didnt wrap around stuff nearly enough, and would even bottom on the rim centers and the wheel beads were getting shredded.


i belive your correct that in a little 35" tire a 17" rim is not nessassry.

but for disscussion sakes. so what if the tire hits the rim center. what does that hurt? and the wheel bead getting shreaded is a fact of life on a rock rig. i have to deburr my rims after evey run to remove the razors. i don't see that as a wheel size issue and certainly not anything to outweigh the advantaves of better steering control.

anyhow like i stated above i belive that the 17" rim is superior techonology for lager rock tires.

I agree with Camo about losing a line due to sidewall flex and roll. Especially on a heavy rig(a Scout) where gravity rules, Like during an uphill turn on a severe sidehill. Annoying.

the wheel bead getting shreaded is a fact of life on a rock rig Hey so far we at least agree on this! All I'm saying it makes a bad situation worse.

Originally posted by scwafish
All I can say is I hope youre kidding...if anyone here thinks the "handling" of their superflex rock rig is now limited by tall sidewalls they're either standing too close to the exhaust pipe or too embarrassed to admit they didnt see the gate, or have watched the Fast and the Furious too many times.


Tell that to Chris Durham, Tracy Jordan, Jason Bunch, and the rest of the top ARCA contenders. :laughing::laughing::laughing:

As to one guy hooking up and youre rig slippin'...that could be caused by a whole lot of other things than his wheels being 17s. More than likely his MTRs just hook up better than the sx in any comparable size. Maybe his steering geometry is superior?

Come awwwnn..this is gettin good!

Chris Durham, Tracy Jordan, Jason Bunch Obviously these guys are getting it awwn, but there is more to their selection than the 17 factor, its about marketing Goodyears latest and getting contingencies. Dont get me wrong though, I d dig MTRs, just not sold on 17s.

Originally posted by scwafish
As to one guy hooking up and youre rig slippin'...that could be caused by a whole lot of other things than his wheels being 17s. More than likely his MTRs just hook up better than the sx in any comparable size. Maybe his steering geometry is superior?


37 MTRs come in both 15" and 17" rims. Most people are switching to 17's.

OK but how much better is a 17 than a 16.5. 16.5 beadlocks are available cheaper than 17's now, and hummer rims are a good low buck choice.

BFG takes good care of the SCORE desert racers. Baja Ta's sidewals are thicker than TSL sidewalls, and they sell those hand made tires to the desert guys for $100 for a 35. That has to be at a loss. They also give them awesome prices on At's for tow vehicles trailers etc. Even 4 years ago they were giving those prices to rock crawlers too. The Project TA's were only given to specific teams, but BFG was involved to the extent that they made sure that the winning teams were in general on BFG's

with out calling my local goodyear rep....

anyone know the price diferance between 37-17 MTR's and 37-15's??


I'm thinking from 33's to 35's with my new lift... but may jump on the band wagon and go 37's if the price isn't too of going to :eek: :eek:

I REALLY like my MTR's....

From what I understand the tire manufacturers are going to 17's for a couple of reasons. 1 is that goodyear has been gettin complaints about the 37x12.50x15 MTR's sidewalls getting shredded when run at trail pressures.(around 12lbs. and under)
2. The sidewall to rim ratio of a 37 on a 17 inch rim is about the same as a 35 on a 15 inch rim which gives you roughly the same roadhandling as a 35x12.50x15.
And besides 17's look cool:rasta:
Wether or not BFG is going to put them into production our not I can't say for sure. As i said they are prototypes and their looking opinions from the rockcrawling community.

By the way their callin them the KRAWLER TA:p
As for the 16.5 verses the 17 the 17's actually have a bigger saftey bead then a 16.5 and you can get a 17 inch beadlock for pretty close the that of a 16.5 if you look hard enough

Tirerack is selling 37x12.5R17s in the BFG MT KMs and the Goodyear MT/Rs.

http://http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?make=BFGoodrich&model=Mud-Terrain+T%2FA+KM

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Sizes.jsp?make=Goodyear&model=Wrangler+MT%2FR

I would love to have either of these tires, the problem I have is that after laying down that cash (a grand for the BFGs and $1500 for the MT/Rs :eek: ) you STILL have to buy rims.

The only 17s I know of are Welds, Centerlines, and Mickey Thompsons. All of these are going to run you at least another grand for four :eek: , and they all have a gripload of backspacing. I don't need a 17x8 rim with 5 inches of backspacing.

Will someone please product a cheap steel wheel in 17x8 with 3 1/2 inches of backspacing!

The sidewall to rim ratio of a 37 on a 17 inch rim is about the same as a 35 on a 15 inch rim which gives you roughly the same roadhandling as a 35x12.50x15.

Now THIS is believable!

And besides 17's look cool

But THIS is even more believable!!!!

Michelin does own BFGoodrich.

BFGoodrich is still making lots of tires.

The correct web site is BFGoodrichtires.com

Originally posted by Gary Enterline
Michelin does own BFGoodrich.

BFGoodrich is still making lots of tires.

The correct web site is BFGoodrichtires.com

Tires are still made using the BFG name ONLY - BFG does NOT make tires.

The only 17s I know of are Welds, Centerlines, and Mickey Thompsons. All of these are going to run you at least another grand for four :eek: , and they all have a gripload of backspacing. I don't need a 17x8 rim with 5 inches of backspacing.

Will someone please product a cheap steel wheel in 17x8 with 3 1/2 inches of backspacing! [/B][/QUOTE]

ALLIED WHEEL also has 17 inch rims that wont break you bank account. and you can get any offset you want . They also do beadlocks in 17's and you can get all steel or aluminum wheels with steel ring. you should checkem out.

Most of the BFGoodrich tires sold today are made in the same plants today that they were back in the 70s and 80s.

The BFGoodrich company was once a group of companies which one was a tire manufacturer.

The tire business was sold off (plants, equipment, the whole lock, stock, and barrell.) The tire part of the business was also identified as BFGoodrich Tires so people would not confuse it with the other part of BFGoodrich. (Chemicals and plastics among other things.)

Today, Michelin owns BFGoodrich Tires.

The BFG site is the other part of the company. BFG does not make the tires. BFGoodrich Tires make BFGoodrich tires.

Originally posted by shaftlc

ALLIED WHEEL also has 17 inch rims that wont break you bank account. and you can get any offset you want . They also do beadlocks in 17's and you can get all steel or aluminum wheels with steel ring. you should checkem out.

Thanks for the tip Jim, I will give them a call.

Anytime hope I helped you all out with the info

oh i can't wait, i can put 17in tuner rims on my sammy wheeler and be cool like all the other ricers in there hondas. btw, will i wheel better with alot of negative camber -jk-.

Yeah and you can get your beadlocks anodized to match your exhaust tip!

Dude you sound like a paid spokesman for BFG???????????????????????????????shaft

say shaft do you own a ford pinto??????? i think you do

Allied is not ready on 17" rims yet. The first ones will be the aluminum then steel. The steel rims are thicker than most, Very strong. They will both have 32 bolt lock rings. The aluminum ones will have a steel ring, NOT a aluminum one. The price on the aluminum's will be about 325.00ea. They will not be ready for about 1 to 2 months. 17" are the way to go. !7" also get rid of tire bounce like 15s on 36s and up have. They do have 15" steel ones ready now.

Say Doyota, You own a mint green Le car right? :flipoff2:
by the way get a job dude:p

Don't knock BFG's techical know how just yet. I am a BFG team member and run their BFG Ground Force R1's on my Autocross Camero. They make my street tires which are Yokohama 008R's seem like a bias Swamper at 10psi. Seriously both tires stick well (I some Yoko 008R's on a Toyota 2wd truck and my buddy could not stick with me in the twisties!) but the BFG's do bite quite a bit harder. Alot can be acomplished with proper compounding. Several years back BFG was making a racing truck tire named the Project R1. It used an identical tread pattern (almost slick compared to most truck tires) and compound as the Autocross tires they build for racers. One of the winners a Pikes Peak event was on these "truck" tires and set a new record on what was basically a racing slick style truck tire! My BFG's Ground Forces have insane turn-in and my Yoko's aren't bad so if they can transfer this technology over to the truck side so much the better.
Buy the way my Ground Forces are the only tire that is harder to mount on a rim than a bias Super Swamper that I have found (like 3 times as hard!) They are hard to dismount too. I think that might help beads stay put--especially the hard to secure inner bead. This is done by making the outer sidewall want to push outward on the beads. I think this is what makes them so
eager to turn into corners. Maybe this will technology will trickle down into the new BFG "rock" tire. Buy the way--I have a set of 14.5/35-17 BFG Projects and they are an awesome towing rig tire even though they are made for racing in the desert.

Jason

For those of you who are a tad confoozed....

As previously mentioned BFGoodrich was a large conglomerate company with many interests, very much like Mitsubishi and Hyundai (who make much more than cars).
Back in 1990 the Tire and Rubber Division of BFGoodrich (along with Uniroyal) was purchased by Michelin.
Now known as BFGoodrich Tires and still its own company with its own molds and factories, it operates under the umbrella of Michelin North America.
If you would like to visit BFGoodrich Tires the website is: http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com


:cool2: :cool: :cool2: :cool: :cool2:

Here is a little closer pic of the new tire that is still in the prototype phase:

This is the same tire just two different tread cuts

And I heard from a small bird that it has a 4 ply sidewall not the 5 ply mentioned above but I heard it is very impressive and they will offer a 35x12.5x15 and then from there they go to a 37x12.5x17

And like what has been said the 17" rim is the new thing among competitors and those alike:D

i saw some at the 4 wheel expo in phoenix, they were un cut prototypes, still looked awsome

I have a set of them (37 x 17 BFG Krawlers). I like them a tad more than my 37" MTRs and a hell of a lot better than my 38.5 SXs.:smokin:

How are the Krawlers in conditions other than dry rocks? I like the MT/R cause it kicks ass on the rocks, but can also clean decently if they encounter mud.
I'm all for the big wheels. They help to fit larger brakes which are very much needed with those larger tires.
What's up with "Krawler?" Thats about as good a name as the "Scorchers" with colored tread...

How are the Krawlers in conditions other than dry rocks?

The only testing I have done has been on dry rocks. Sorry. So far on dry rocks they kick ass.

has anyone ever seen one of theese tires get a side wall cut?? I know they are almost new but I have seen them work at ARCA evenents, and Im wondering how well the side wall will hold up.

I have seen them at several different events and have yet to see a side wall get thrashed(not saying it has been done, I just haven't seen it):D:D:D

i had a chat with craig stumph who is the presiden of UROC who runs a commando beast!! he runs those 37x17s and swears up and down they kick ass all over his SXs in grip and sidewall. he runs them at around 13 PSI and he says they are the best tire he has ever owned and he has competed on a lot of tires!!! he says he has put the sidewalls through absolute hell and back and they keep coming for more!!:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

if the president of UROC who also competed in ARCA says they are the sheit......put one vote in on the fact that they are a nice tire......now mud and snow.....we dont know!!


BTW he was the one who rolled in the air at farmington last year and destroyed his rig...it is back and better than ever!! :D

Originally posted by camo
thanks for the 411 shaft.

since you guys have the prototype in your posession can i assume you have some inside info? what are the chances they will actually build a tire with those spec for public sale? the specs sound decent enuff but it seems like they would build a true 40" tire to take advantage of the legal limit in arca. Your thoughts?


my thoughts on that are................. hell yeah i want some 40inch tall goodyear/bfg tires whatever comes out first

Originally posted by scwafish
Whats with the 17's?? The BFG protos that Mark from Sports in the Rough was running were 17s as well...who in the hell asked for less sidewall??? Are these guys paying attention at all...and they wonder why Goodyear is kick their a$$.

i tell you one thing i wish i had less side wall on my 42" tsl's on a 15" rim. there is just too much imo. on side hills they will roll under the rim a bit when aired down and cause more of a tippy feeling.