Dewalt or other COLD Chop Saws

[Chopperman]

OK, I know I've seen a dewalt COLD chop saw somewhere but I have searched and searched for days tonight and can't find anything.. Even Dewalts site doesn't list them.. Is there any other COLD chop saws out there that isn't super industrial for Manufacturing.. I'm willing to spend the $$$ but I just can't find anything out there.

Who's running COLD saws and what brand do you have, and COST ?


Thanks
RJ

[Old Scout]

search DeWalt DW872. I'm selling my used one. PM me if interested.

http://www.toolfetch.com/tools_images/images/items/dw872_1.jpg

[kwrangln]

Are ya sure your not thinking about Dewalts Multi Cutter?http://www.justtools.com.au/images/dw872.jpg


edit: shit, OS beat me to it. Damn dial up. :flipoff2:

[Chopperman]

search DeWalt DW872. I'm selling my used one. PM me if interested.

http://www.toolfetch.com/tools_images/images/items/dw872_1.jpg

Why are you selling it ?

[Chopperman]

Is this just a normal cut off saw with a Carbide wheel or is it actually LOWER RPM's

[Kyron]

Whats the diffrence between a cold chop saw and a reg chop??

[Chopperman]

Whats the diffrence between a cold chop saw and a reg chop??

MUCH cleaner and straighter cuts
less noise
less mess
no abrasive crap flying all over the garage

[kwrangln]

Lower RPM's. There are a few threads on the board about em.

Here's the search results. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?searchid=137192)

[Shrock]

These things arent cold saws. They are dry cut carbide saws and run at about 1500 RPMs. If you dont believe me, use one and wait until a red hot chip sticks to your face. :D

This is a cold saw. They turn about 50RPM's and start at about $2k

http://www.vansantent.com/images/dake2.jpg

The dry cut carbide saws are a world of improvement over an abrasive though. Hitachi, Makita, Porter Cable and Dewalt all offer one.

[Old Scout]

Why are you selling it ?

Getting a wet band saw. Two years old, I was going to have the blade sharpened and was thinking $225.

[Jason R]

cold saws are $$$

[Chopperman]

Lower RPM's. There are a few threads on the board about em.

Here's the search results. (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?searchid=137192)

Thanks for the threads..

I searched but didn't find shiat..

[kwrangln]

These things arent cold saws. They are dry cut carbide saws and run at about 1500 RPMs. If you dont believe me, use one and wait until a red hot chip sticks to your face. :D



Well no shit. :rolleyes:















:flipoff2:

[Chopperman]

Getting a wet band saw. Two years old, I was going to have the blade sharpened and was thinking $225.

PM'ing you !!!

[Shrock]

http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/tool_detail.asp?productID=159

[CJ]

Getting a wet band saw. Two years old, I was going to have the blade sharpened and was thinking $225.
225 to sharpen a blade?
A new blade is 125 @ Crown Tool in San Jose

I have a Ridgid.We have 5 or 6 Ridgid saws in our shop they have held up well the saws are not treated very well.

[steveh]

I have the Dewalt, I like the way it cuts, I don't like the fence and base setup at all. It's a bitch to set up certain cuts to be square, but it can be done with patience.

I'll find out this week what it costs to have a blade sharpened.... it won't be $225, or $125 for that mater. The saw shop usually charges by the amount of teeth

Not to derail Old Scout's used saw, because he's selling it at a great price (Smokin deal fo sho), but I would look at the base and fence setups before you decide on which one to buy. Just be prepared to that a new one will be ~ $500

I will say this, last time I had the club over to work on rigs, everyone loved the Dewalt compared to an abrasive cut off!

[broncorob]

RJ, as far as I know Dewalt doesn't make a cold saw and neither is the one OS is selling. I had a thread a few weeks ago asking about the differences and got some decent info http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252038&highlight=cold+chop

[Old Scout]

225 to sharpen a blade?
A new blade is 125 @ Crown Tool in San Jose

I have a Ridgid.We have 5 or 6 Ridgid saws in our shop they have held up well the saws are not treated very well.
I'm selling it for 225 :rolleyes: You didn't read the thread!

[D60]

We all know Dewalt sucks, so don't go for the Dewalt

Milwaukee now makes one, retails for around $440 from what I've seen, oops $470 here:
http://www.toolking.com/milwaukee/view.asp?id=6416

Making it around $70-$80 more than the Dewalt, but you get what you pay for :rolleyes:

Yes, also Hitachi and others have similar models.

These may make for warm cuts, but nowhere near as hot as a chop saw will get things (ie glowing red). The lack of abrasive dust is reason enough, plus it would be nice to have a straight cut now and again...........

EDIT: didn't mean to knock your sale OS, just saying if you're gonna buy NEW, go quality

[unimogken]

Central Welding has this Delwalt chopsaw for sale in the link below to their ad.
http://www.centralwelding.com/dewaltflyer0504.pdf
Its $229 with 10 FREE chop saw wheels.

No financial interests in the above links.

[Foxfab]

FYI, $439 with free shipping on the Milwaukee: http://store.yahoo.com/tylertool/mi6114drycum.html

[Shrock]

I've probably cut at least 10,000 lbs of steel on my Hitachi Dry cut. If you need a new blade, get one of these. They are 1000 times better than the Dewalt blades. They are EXTREMELY quiet and cut very smooth:

http://steelpros.com/product_info.php?products_id=143

I get mine from a local place for $139.00. The link above just had good info.

[camo]

We all know Dewalt sucks, so don't go for the Dewalt




actually not everybody "knows " that. some of you may think that but it is far from fact. I own a mulitude of dewalt products including the above mentioned saw and am very pleased with both the product and company. I highly recomend every dewalt tool i own for both quality and value.

[Shrock]

I own a lot of Dewalt tools. They are one of my favorite brands. I have one of their abrasive saws that uses the same base, clamp, and almost everthing else as their multi cutter saw. I am not impressed with it.

The Hitachi Dry cut carbide saw I have is leaps and bounds better quailty, more durable (cast base vs stamped) more accurate (degreee scale that is readable to 1/2 degree) more productive (set stop for repeat cuts) BUT it does cost a good bit more.

[Old Scout]

actually not everybody "knows " that. some of you may think that but it is far from fact. I own a mulitude of dewalt products including the above mentioned saw and am very pleased with both the product and company. I highly recomend every dewalt tool i own for both quality and value.
And someone agrees with you:
http://www.berlandtools.com/resources/tests_metal_article.html

[Shrock]

FWIW, that article has some great info, but it's four years old. I read it about 2 years ago while I was shopping and these comments were what led me to investigate the Hitachi:



Too New To Test

...Hitachi's CD14F 14-inch dry-cut metal saw, has a larger square-shape cutting capacity than the DeWalt DW872. Other notable features include a quick-lock vise with a tool-free angle adjustment, a chip collector bin, and a unique vise handle. The Hitachi is the only chop saw I've seen with extension bars and a fixed-length lever for repetitive cuts. This saw won't be available for another four to six months; it's too new to price.

[James_Fendley]

I like mine, but as soon as the shop is finished I an going to get a 7x12 bandsaw also.

James

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3203/Dsc00199.jpg

[rockmup]

I have tons of Dewalt tools including the Multi cutter. Bitchin saw.
Nothing like the Haberale at work but .........

It will be money well spent.

And I only pay 20.00 to get my blades sharpend. And they pick them up and drop them off when done.

[TB76Bronco]

I have the Dewalt Multi Cut as well. I like it but it does have the problems the others reported. The clamp on mine fell apart the other day it was easy to repair but it did come apart. The base is not very sturdy and it is difficult to cut at specific angles.

On the up side I got a refurb saw for about $160 from Northern Tool a couple years ago. They ran out of the the refurbs and sent a new one.

Blade sharpening for me was $19 plus $5.50 for the first tooth replacement and $2.50 for each additional tooth.

Replacement blades are about $120.

I'm sure there are better saws out there but for the price of them I'd buy a bandsaw instead.

[Foxfab]

I'm reporting all of you Dewalt lovers to DRM :flipoff2:

[D60]

I'm reporting all of you Dewalt lovers to DRM :flipoff2:

Yep, the DRM drama drill is what turned me against DeWalt. Common sense really has died..............

[camo]

Yep, the DRM drama drill is what turned me against DeWalt. Common sense really has died..............

any company who has a copyright or patent MUST activaly enforce thier intellectual property rights or they are no longer enforcable. Dewalt was only doing what the U.S. government requires them to do to defent thier product. every company in the united states including pirate4x4.com must do the same thing or they will loose their right to their property.

try selling fake pirate4x4.com merchandise on ebay and see what happens. you will get a ceist and desist letter from our lawyer, keep doing it and you will have the cops kicking your door in.

so if you dislike a company like dewalt because they choose to protect their investment then that is your right to do so but at least open your eyes and relize that every company in the country does it. you just happen to know about this incedent.

[D60]

try selling fake pirate4x4.com merchandise on ebay and see what happens. you will get a ceist and desist letter from our lawyer, keep doing it and you will have the cops kicking your door in.

Um, ok.

But your example is not entirely apples to apples. Are there official pirate4x4 colors? Let's say they're black & white. So, if I go to Ebay and sell bulletin board software that uses black and white, will I be getting a cease and desist order from the PBB lawyer? Will I have the "cops kicking my door in?" :laughing:

[camo]

the point is exactly the same. the law provides for a company to defend their intellectual property right.

like i said if you don't like it then don't support them. it is your right. but back to your post, the common sense that is lost is your's.

Drm's dewalt/ebay thread was fun and entertaining because it was challenging the system and mocking it but both dewalt and ebay have every right to act the way they did.

[OverThrottle]

Um, ok.

But your example is not entirely apples to apples. Are there official pirate4x4 colors? Let's say they're black & white. So, if I go to Ebay and sell bulletin board software that uses black and white, will I be getting a cease and desist order from the PBB lawyer? Will I have the "cops kicking my door in?" :laughing:

It gets worse than that. In the DRM incident he tried to sell a non-dewalt drill with a picture of a drill with a black and blue color scheme (same model drill as his, but his was yellow and orange) with a little note stating that color may vary. There is absolutley no likeness to DeWalt in this, yet DeWalt cancelled his auction.

Besides I think there tools have gone way downhill in quality last couple years. They are not the worst quality by any means, but in almost every case you can buy a much better quality tool for the same amount of dough. IMO I like to stick with Milwaukee and PorterCable for most things.

[camo]

i belive ebay cancelled the auction since they do not want to be involved in the business of helping to sell counterfiet merchandise since that would make them an accesiory to a crime.

[Foxfab]

DRM isnt a dealer, it was a private party sale. Dewalt was in the wrong as was Ebay.

[camo]

DRM isnt a dealer, it was a private party sale. Dewalt was in the wrong as was Ebay.


how would dewalt or ebay know he is not a dealer. for all they know he just imported a container of counterfiet drills and was going to make a living selling a drill that the consumer could mistake as a dewalt.

in my opinion it was no accident that who ever made that drill over in china made it yellow with a black trigger for one reason and one reason only. it was made to look like a dewalt.

[D60]

in my opinion it was no accident that who ever made that drill over in china made it yellow with a black trigger for one reason and one reason only. it was made to look like a dewalt.

It was yellow with a red trigger and looked nothing like a DeWalt:
http://www.4x4spot.com/images/fs/drill2.jpg

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=210068

Check out Reply #38 for DeWalt's own trademark info

And you're right, apparently DeWalt and Ebay had every right to do what they did, because they did it. But it doesn't make it right *to me.* Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. It was an abuse of power, lack of discretion and lack of common sense *IMO.* You're right, I won't support DeWalt because of this. DeWalt should go after the manufacturer and leave private party, third party sales alone. DRM didn't manufacture that wasn't trying to pass it off as a DeWalt product.

[Tuffjarhed]

Back on topic, I have the DW, and I have encountered the clamping difficulties, to the point that my blade got bent on a piece of odd/lightguage angle. Placed a call to DeWalt, who had a new blade AT MY DOOR, THE NEXT DAY :bounce2: :bounce2: .


And just FYI, Harbor Freight has Dewalts' blade for $99. Now I have two.

Once you learn how to use these saws (read the manual :flipoff2: ), they are the cats a$$.

Just say no to abrasive saws.

[kwrangln]

So what is everyone doing to fix the clamp / base problems? Building a new base and clamp? If so, post up the pics. I want one of these, got a big horizontal bandsaw, portaband, chop saw, and for small stuff it would be nice to be faster than the band with the same accuracy.

Not that the whole DRM drama wasnt entertaining and all, but fuck it, this is tool tech, not copyright law 101 so I dont care. :flipoff2:

[camo]

back on topic....:D

when i was buying mine and comparing i thought the dewalt base looked flimsy, but i really have not had an issue with it. holding up fine.

i thought the porter cable had the better base. it was a heavy cast unit.

[MattS]

back on topic....:D

when i was buying mine and comparing i thought the dewalt base looked flimsy, but i really have not had an issue with it. holding up fine.

i thought the porter cable had the better base. it was a heavy cast unit.

That will break when you drop it off the saw horse. :( I have a Rigid brand now and it's worked great.

[camo]

hhhmmmm i never thought of that but your are right. cast base would not survive a fall or even a hard wack from a piece of material.

[Shrock]

cmon guys, you know better than that. It depends on the material and how it was cast. Think of al the cast pieces on your drivetrain. Maybe it's investment cast 4340. :D

[camo]

ya all the cast pieces in my drive train do explode, now that you mention it. ? :D

[Shrock]

Everything you touch explodes Camo. :D

[merv]

These things arent cold saws. They are dry cut carbide saws and run at about 1500 RPMs. If you dont believe me, use one and wait until a red hot chip sticks to your face. :D

This is a cold saw. They turn about 50RPM's and start at about $2k

http://www.vansantent.com/images/dake2.jpg

The dry cut carbide saws are a world of improvement over an abrasive though. Hitachi, Makita, Porter Cable and Dewalt all offer one.


Correct. I've a thomas chop saw. Comes with a built in suds pump which constantly cools the blade which runs about 40 rpm or so. Bloody heavy thing. got it from my Dad who used it for years. excellent piece of gear but:

for light sheet metal and bandsaw is better,
for heavy stuff (over 8mm think) the band saw is better.
For angles, repeats, speed etc this thing is the business.

[JeepinDoug]

Getting a wet band saw. Two years old, I was going to have the blade sharpened and was thinking $225.

Try Robb-Jack in Lincoln, CA, they resharpen carbide slitter saws and possibly go that big.

[morpheus]

if I had it to do over again I'd buy the Milwaukee saw for $200

http://store4.yimg.com/I/tylertool_1799_11093504

[CJ]

Try Robb-Jack in Lincoln, CA, they resharpen carbide slitter saws and possibly go that big.
Or Sarter Saw Works in San Francisco. The have a pick up and delivery route as well. The truck says BLADE RUNNER on the Tail Gate.

[mj]

Dewalt = black and decker
no thanks
add the BS 'DRM drill story' and I will never buy from them again

I just bought the Makita dry cut
cool toy, too much $$