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well here we go guys. for the past several years I have been working out of a nicely setup 2 car garage. I have been wanting to build a new shop and now it is time.
after reserching steel buildings and getting several quotes from various manufactures and bids from contractors I decided to buy my new 34 x 30 x 14 metal building online at www.steelbuilding.com and do all the work with the help of several of my buddys.
we started by getting a friend with a back hoe to come and cut the pad.
then Aarron and I framed up the forms.
pour day started at 6:30 am and we were done by noon
not finished until ya pay the bill :D
total cost so far.
mud $2300
misc material for forms and rebar $750
concrete pump truck $333
Gwamp
06-18-2004, 04:29 PM
Someday soon I hope to be doing exactly that.
edit: what did the building run you?
jstarnes
06-18-2004, 04:58 PM
must be nice to do a monolith
I have 6grand in CC, 4 grand in dirt work, and another 4grand in fill
I did a building from http://www.miracletruss.com/welcome.html (30X33 12 foot eves)
braxton357
06-18-2004, 06:08 PM
Someday soon I hope to be doing exactly that.
edit: what did the building run you?
What gwamp said. It'd be awesome if you kept a "tally" of everything you spent on it and all, so that some of us can know what to expect when this fantacular day comes in our lives.
Oh yeah, and...you shoulda gone bigger :p
Someday soon I hope to be doing exactly that.
edit: what did the building run you?
you can price out a building online at www.steelbuilding.com
mine was $11,500 including the doors and insulation
Gwamp
06-18-2004, 09:04 PM
you can price out a building online at www.steelbuilding.com
mine was $11,500 including the doors and insulation
That isn't bad at all. Much cheaper than I thought it would be. Do you figure you will make it in under $20,000 by the time you are done?
20k is my budget.
i still need electrial, concrete approach out front, some road base and gravel around the perimeter, heater and swamp cooler.
then i need to build a retaining wall. the wall will put me over budget but i am going to do it with railroad ties so it shouldn't be too much $$
Hickeyjones
06-18-2004, 09:49 PM
What kind of heat did you decide to go with?
i wanted to do a in slab radiant heat but had to axe it out of the budget, so i am just gonna keep my eyes open and look for a used gas furnace that will hang from the celing and run a few celing fans.
ironpig70
06-18-2004, 11:12 PM
holy crap batman $23,111.76 :eek:
well its for my dads dream shop 30 x 80 x 12 w/ 4 insulated doors and insulated walls and roof, 4' x 80' long front perlin 4 roof panels and a walk thur door. :D
only thing i didn't like on the web site was on my shop 30 x 40 i could not put in 2 doors on a side. :confused:
If you want to drive to Hayward I know of RailRoad Ties for 7 bucks a piece.
The pile Started a 700 ties they are down to a couple of hundred left.
I have not seen them but I need to go get 20 for a nieghboor.
20k is my budget.
i still need electrial, concrete approach out front, some road base and gravel around the perimeter, heater and swamp cooler.
then i need to build a retaining wall. the wall will put me over budget but i am going to do it with railroad ties so it shouldn't be too much $$
holy crap batman $23,111.76 :eek:
only thing i didn't like on the web site was on my shop 30 x 40 i could not put in 2 doors on a side. :confused:
sure you can. try putting the doors on the front side wall instead of the end wall. you have to look at how the bays are confiqured and work around the beams
If you want to drive to Hayward I know of RailRoad Ties for 7 bucks a piece.
The pile Started a 700 ties they are down to a couple of hundred left.
I have not seen them but I need to go get 20 for a nieghboor.
thats a great price and i appriciate the heads up . locally they want $15 each. however the reason i am gonna use them is because my father in law has 800 of them stacked up out on his ranch and he said i could have as many as i need.
ironpig70
06-18-2004, 11:32 PM
sure you can. try putting the doors on the front side wall instead of the end wall. you have to look at how the bays are confiqured and work around the beams
they way it would sit is with the 30' side toward the street and possibly no acess to the 40' sides and i'd like multiply doors so if need be i could always customize it :D
i am pretty sure they could engineer it to meet your needs.
a thought though.....doors take up wall space and effictive working area since they need to have a clear path in front of them to be of any use. and while a 30 x 40 shop is sweet it is gonna be pretty small with one whole wall all doors
AprilzWarrior
06-19-2004, 08:59 PM
Camo,
what bar and centers did you use ?
Just curious... also are you going to get a lift ?
AprilzWarrior
Aaronn
06-19-2004, 09:12 PM
Camo,
what bar and centers did you use ?
Just curious... also are you going to get a lift ?
AprilzWarrior
#4 in the footings and pads and #3 in the slab 2' center
AprilzWarrior
06-19-2004, 10:13 PM
#4 in the footings and pads and #3 in the slab 2' center
Thats pretty strong... How thick did you guys go ?
BTW, Sucks pouring in the sun, I feel for ya !
Aaronn
06-19-2004, 10:25 PM
Thats pretty strong... How thick did you guys go ?
BTW, Sucks pouring in the sun, I feel for ya !
4" slab 16" footings....3'X3'X12" pads @ corners w/ 3 #3 each way
ironpig70
06-19-2004, 10:31 PM
id you opp for any goodies such as insulation or clear roof panels and how are you planning on finishing off the inside.
AprilzWarrior
06-20-2004, 12:01 AM
4" slab 16" footings....3'X3'X12" pads @ corners w/ 3 #3 each way
You put some time in that ? LOL sounds like it ! :smokin:
As for the Miracle Truss are really nice, I have one as well on my property.
hey camo, where is your new shop? is at your house or elsewhere?
BTW, footings are a good thing :D
Hoodlum
06-23-2004, 01:33 PM
i wanted to do a in slab radiant heat but had to axe it out of the budget, so i am just gonna keep my eyes open and look for a used gas furnace that will hang from the celing and run a few celing fans.
Radiant floor heat is nice but as you said, costly.
Your best bet would probably be an infrared heater. I sell them at work and am plannin on putting on in my shop when I get to build one.
Check out http://www.solaronicsusa.com
I rep that line and am just giving you the link for info purposes. I'm not trying to sell you one. Just trying to point ya in the right direction.
Infrared heat heats objects and not the air. That means...no bugers from the dry, heated air. IMO, it's better than the radiant floor heat as the slab will take 3 or so days to cool or heat up. If your weather changes like it does here in Oklahoma (50 one day and 90 the next), you'll prefer the infrared heaters alot more. Your floor just won't get as warm. Tools, tables, and rig will be warm to the touch though.
Anyways...nice start on the shop. No piers needed eh??
Happy heating!
Desert Jeepin
06-23-2004, 04:31 PM
I find this quite intruiging!
Davia and I are looking to build a house on 2.5, and so I get to finance a Garage into the Const. Loan.
I went to Steelbuildings.com and spec'd what I feel would be acceptable. It's a 30'x50', 16' Eves, a 16'x14' Roll up, 1 3'x7' walk through. I added all of the goodies, including 6" insulation all around, and still came in under $20k delivered.
Talk about a dream!
Hey Eric, Side note... If you want/need/could use a little help. I've done my fair share of new home contruction electrical as well as high speed networking and phones. :)
phil
thanks for the offer, i will take ya up on it when i get to that point.
things to check into as you start planning your own shop. in my city the size of your accessiory building is limited to 50% of the total square foot of your main living structure. so in my case my house is 2100 sq feet so i could only make my shop 1050 sq..
there are ways around that limit but i didn't want to hassle it since 34 x 30 is what also happens to fit nicely on the building site with out getting into alot of dirt work.
Desert Jeepin
06-23-2004, 04:52 PM
phil
thanks for the offer, i will take ya up on it when i get to that point.
things to check into as you start planning your own shop. in my city the size of your accessiory building is limited to 50% of the total square foot of your main living structure. so in my case my house is 2100 sq feet so i could only make my shop 1050 sq..
there are ways around that limit but i didn't want to hassle it since 34 x 30 is what also happens to fit nicely on the building site with out getting into alot of dirt work.
You know, I never even considered that. Hmmm. When I lived in the county, my Primary Living Structure what a 1100sq/ft Double Wide Mobile. I built a garage that was 24'x48' and it's size was never questioned. I'll be sure to check that out before I order :eek:
ironpig70
06-23-2004, 04:52 PM
phil
thanks for the offer, i will take ya up on it when i get to that point.
things to check into as you start planning your own shop. in my city the size of your accessiory building is limited to 50% of the total square foot of your main living structure. so in my case my house is 2100 sq feet so i could only make my shop 1050 sq..
there are ways around that limit but i didn't want to hassle it since 34 x 30 is what also happens to fit nicely on the building site with out getting into alot of dirt work.
that would suck at my present house cause it's 1200 sq ft :D
that would suck at my present house cause it's 1200 sq ft :D
they count the sq footage of your garage and and attached concrete patio
hydro lift is the way to go. you could even have an overhead crane/lift set-up.
Rocktoyo
06-23-2004, 06:03 PM
Camo, its a shame your not closer, I've got a 3 ton hi eff gas pack sitting. It would do fine on your new shop. That might be a option for ya, used they only run in the $500.00 range and really dont cost a bunch to run. If you ended up with a LPG one, the conversion kits run in the $35.00 zone.
Minimal duct work and instant 1200 sq ft beer cooler. :smokin:
Joe
madmarx
06-23-2004, 06:21 PM
That is about the size of the shop I am hoping to put up this winter. I have done some research and I like the idea of a metal building, it goes up much quicker than a stick built building, and the price is eally reasonable...
REDNECKTOY
06-23-2004, 08:54 PM
cant tell from the pics but did you get that rebar up off the ground before you poored the slab? wont do much good unless its in the center of the slab , ive poured a few slabs.
stomper4x4
06-23-2004, 09:02 PM
cant tell from the pics but did you get that rebar up off the ground before you poored the slab? wont do much good unless its in the center of the slab , ive poured a few slabs.
If you look closely at the picture you can see that they are spaced up off the ground...
yes we lifted the rebar up off the ground as we poured each section. my buddy that was helping with the concrete was a concrete forman building diablo canyon nuclear power plant so he pretty much was running the show :D
Aaronn
06-23-2004, 11:36 PM
my buddy that was helping with the concrete was a concrete forman building diablo canyon nuclear power plant so he pretty much was running the show :D
now I'm worried....remind me to practice my escape route :D
now I'm worried....remind me to practice my escape route :D
funny you say that. when robert was telling me about working out at the cannyon all i could think about was, no wonder all those hippies didn't want that place built. look at the dumb asses doing the work :D
REDNECKTOY
06-24-2004, 12:30 AM
yes we lifted the rebar up off the ground as we poured each section. my buddy that was helping with the concrete was a concrete forman building diablo canyon nuclear power plant so he pretty much was running the show :D
i should of just figured you did but i couldnt see it , im sure youll be trying yer hardest to break it :flipoff2:
Paul Gagnon
06-24-2004, 12:39 AM
Are you putting in one of these guys?
http://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/hoist/img/bhs_01.gif
http://www.hitachi-ies.co.jp/english/products/hoist/electric/main.htm
DemoMike
06-24-2004, 10:33 AM
they count the sq footage of your garage and and attached concrete patio
Just to clarify, the patio and garage footage is counted as the "home" square footage, which is then divided by two to attain allowable "shop" footage? I'm in Atas. too and someday hope to build "the shop". Thanks.
surveyboy
06-24-2004, 10:52 AM
Camo, what was the procdure you had to go through with the county/city you're in? did steelbuildings supply you with plans to submit to them? (most countys/cities require building and safety to review the plans before construction) also, did they give you any grief about getting the building permits?
something everyone needs to look into before they go to far, is those requirement of size, and many times height, style, and even color of the secondary buildings on the property. the planning and zoning departments can be your best friend or your worst enemy.
Just to clarify, the patio and garage footage is counted as the "home" square footage, which is then divided by two to attain allowable "shop" footage? I'm in Atas. too and someday hope to build "the shop". Thanks.
correct
my house is 1550
garage is 480
patio 100
total 2130
max allowable size of accessory building is 1065
my shop is gonna be 1020
ya better plan at least 6 months ahead in atascadero to get a permit :(
yes steelbuildings.com provided me with stamped engineered drawings. you will also need to do a site drawing of the property and a foundation drawing to obtain a permit.
Aaronn
06-24-2004, 09:05 PM
you will also need to do a site drawing of the property and a foundation drawing to obtain a permit.
=soils report and engineered foundation=$$
The Joker
06-25-2004, 09:08 AM
Camo I dont see any conduit stub ups for power, phone, water, cable what are your plans to get them into the shop?
power and phone are stubed in. all utilitys are under ground.
i can add water and sewer later if i want but right now it is gonna be a dry shop. i have a water bib not far from the shop so i will have a hose available for things like wash down or what not.
DemoMike
06-25-2004, 11:38 AM
=soils report and engineered foundation=$$
Yeah, with cut & fill it'll be more like $$$$$ :D
ironpig70
06-25-2004, 05:26 PM
Yeah, with cut & fill it'll be more like $$$$$ :D
unless your dad is a heavy equipment operator :flipoff2:
Flatfenderman
06-26-2004, 07:01 AM
power and phone are stubed in. all utilitys are under ground.
i can add water and sewer later if i want but right now it is gonna be a dry shop. i have a water bib not far from the shop so i will have a hose available for things like wash down or what not.
OH SHZIT! dont add sewer! If you do the next time you pizz off momma you'll be living in your shop! Trust me I know! hehehe
Flatty
Eric sounds like your codes run pretty close to ours.I'm allowed 50% total footage and 33% parking and driveway.I closed in the carport for the daycare and lost 480 feet of parking.This allowed me to build the shop as my parking and driveway add up to just 33sqft shy of maximum allowable.I wish I could have gone as big as yours 24x28 is what they allowed me.I was even forced to have a 10 foot door instead of a double but that will work well for a bench and window.I think if I moved the shop forward I could have gone to 30 ft but that would be tight and driveway would be an issue.Wish I could afford to build faster but money only goes so far.That and I had to finish the backyard for the daycare.That $3000 could have gone to a nice toy in the shop.I have to get off my ass and send some coin to Lance for a new star then I can post up some photo's.
TheRipper
06-26-2004, 11:35 PM
Hey camo you should have moved to the country no permit's then..lol..I am doing good on mine right now I live out of the city so no permit,I drove a truck for a little while that delivered foundation supplies.So that tell's you my rebar was a freebie.Now I am going to try and get a job driving a mixer then maybe I will have a discount comming there if not I live close and they said $60 a yard for the concrete.Then one of my good friend's is a electrician so again freebies.So it is turning out great there.It is going to be a 30 x 60 x14.Ohh yeah we own a backhoe and I bought used 2 x 6's for the form board's.I am building the building from scratch so I do not haft to pay someone to put the kit together.So far it is going to cost me about $4000 to $4500 total.It will beat the gravel floor shop I work out of lately...lol
i seriously doubt their is a square inch of dirt in the united states of america that does not require a permit to build on. in fact the county i live in is probally harder to get a permit in then the citys in the county.
permits = tax revenue and every goverment agency in existance lives and exist on tax revenue.
now don't get me wrong. i understand what your intent was and yes it can be wise to ask for forginess rather then permission.
i seriously doubt their is a square inch of dirt in the united states of america that does not require a permit to build on.
If I had 5 acres, or was outside city limits - I could have built my shop without a permit as the 5 acres would have classified me as a "farm" and the shop would fall under general farm use then. Outside city limits - As long as nobody is using it as a residence, I could have built anything I wanted.
But the permit process was an easy one here, but having never done it I was innitially worried. I dropped by the city planner, I drew up a rough sketch of what I wanted to build while sitting at his desk, he asked if I was xxx feet from the property line, etc., asked the estimated build dates and build cost, punched the $$$ into a calculator and I paid like $28 and walked out in 20 minutes total with the necessary permit.
asked the estimated build dates and build cost, punched the $$$ into a calculator and I paid like $28 and walked out in 20 minutes total with the necessary permit.
Wow, I think I had to pay $30 per sq ft (it was even more if residential rather than shop space), so I paid like $240 for 800 sq ft of shop space. I couldn't believe it. Maybe I should move to TN
There is an agricultural permit which is $10 for any structure and they don't even inspect it, but the guy told me if I EVER parked a non-farm vehicle in there they could red tag it and require permits, engineers etc. Since my neighbors would gladly rat me out, I did it by the book.
Every county is gonna vary wildly of course, some are cheap, some are not.
Po' riggity
06-30-2004, 06:13 PM
Lookin good so far camo.. Im gonna have to look into that when I get a house :) Keep us updated on the progress.
Scott
ok so my building showed up. It arrived at 8 am on a 48 flat bed trailer.
we were able to unload it in about an hour with the forklift. after work the wife an I spent about 3 hours and were able to get the coloums erected.
day 1
second day of erection we were able to get about half of the steel bolted up
assembly was pretty staright forward. if you played with an erector set when you were a kid then you are quilified to build one of these :D
by day 3 we were done bolting the structure together and since i didn't want the ugly primmer color of the beams in my shop i decided to give it that camo touch.
first step was to primmer the steel white
day 4 required some fun first :D so we went to pismo for some wheeling :D
then we got back to work and painted the steel a nice bright red.
end of day 4 :D
tomorrow we will start to put the siding on.
ironpig70
07-10-2004, 11:19 PM
looks like you could put that thing up in a weekend seeing how day one you spent 3 hours and day 3 was paint and so was day 4. looking good.
fj40guy
07-11-2004, 08:28 AM
i seriously doubt their is a square inch of dirt in the united states of america that does not require a permit to build on.
Move to Texas! :)
When the house was built in '96, the only permit required was a SEPTIC tank perc test by the county. Dig a hole, fill with water, engineer uses a stop watch to see how long the water takes to drain (test has been updated). $700 for the county septic permit.
My wife is now thinking "rather than a two story shop" with additional space above (bonus room, office), build the shop out as a one story and raise the roof on the house for additional living space. Hmm.
Tom :usa:
ImNotRight
07-11-2004, 09:15 AM
do you own the forklift or renting it specifically for this or...?
I own the forklift. I would not recommend doing this project with out one. they can be rented for around $400 for the week.
Brutpwr
07-11-2004, 09:58 AM
Camo,
That looks like the same shop we built at my buddies place only we did not have a fork lift. Only a lot of ladders and muscle power! Some of the beams were heavy/awkward...would have been a piece of cake with a forklift! Looks good so far...
PTSchram
07-11-2004, 10:21 AM
i seriously doubt their is a square inch of dirt in the united states of america that does not require a permit to build on. in fact the county i live in is probally harder to get a permit in then the citys in the county.
permits = tax revenue and every goverment agency in existance lives and exist on tax revenue.
now don't get me wrong. i understand what your intent was and yes it can be wise to ask for forginess rather then permission.
Don't forget that building permits are also used to track the value of a piece of property so your property taxes can go up with each improvement you make.
The only reason I will consider getting a demolition permit is so I can argue to have my taxes lowered when I remove a garage.
Shop looks nice Camo. Someday I'll have one at the residence, for now, renting 4500 sq. ft looks and sounds very nice. Can't beat three phase power and the ability to make noise 24-7 and legal outside storage.
Peace,
PT
day 5 we we got the side wall done and day 6 the back end wall was erected.
yarddog
07-16-2004, 03:14 PM
:eek: Man, that's a tall beotch! Almost a 2 story :D
Did you saw joints in the slab so it's easy to roll stuff around?
Someday I'll have a shop, in the mean time can I use yours? :D
when the wife went to get the permit for our new shop the guy ask where on the property you gonna put it, she showed him the layout of the property with the new shop on it. He came back and told here that I didn't need a permit for it because it was gonna be on part of the land that is still considered part of the farm's property so that worked out good for us. Camo what are you gonna use to cut the tin with on the sides? I have some I have to cut but still trying to figure out what to use. I have seen quite a few shops built this way and they turned out great.
to cut the tin i have used a few diffrent methods depending on the need.
1. sawzall
2.abrasive blade on a circular saw
3. air shear
4. tin snips
5. finger nail clippers :flipoff2:
beartj
07-20-2004, 01:55 PM
Looks awesome Camo--any progress pics? I've been trying to work out something similar, albeit a little smaller and less badass, with US steel--any thoughts on them?
Can we start talking particulars about how you'll be setting it up (e.g. air, hoists, lifts, drainage, etc.) ?
Yah yah I know, statistically i'm a newb--boo fawking hoo.
fj40guy
07-20-2004, 02:08 PM
Looks awesome Camo--any progress pics? I've been trying to work out something similar, albeit a little smaller and less badass, with US steel--any thoughts on them?
Someone else made the comment about US Steel buildings being a pain AFTER they are put up. Basically that curved side doesn't lend itself to insulation and an interior panels with the "curve" they have.
I'm looking at the Mueller Steel Buildings:
http://www.muellerinc.com/products/buildings/prefab_kits.php
Only catch with SOME buildings is I want a 30'x50, with the 30' end having a 8x16 AND 10x10 doors in it. It is doable, but end framing needs to be clear, so it needs heavier steel (i.e. miracle truss).
Tom :usa:
yes i talked to U.S. steel and they seemed more like scam artist carnys then a real business. be wary.
at this point I am far enuff into the project that I will highly recommend using www.steelbuilding.com most everything from the design to erection has gone as expected without any bullshit that you would almost expect from a project of this magnitude.
Can we start talking particulars about how you'll be setting it up (e.g. air, hoists, lifts, drainage, etc.) ?
i would love to but i am fighting the summer heat to get this bitch done. hard to do when it has been 100+ out. as soon as I can get the building complete I will move on to the systems
beartj
07-20-2004, 09:22 PM
Man, I'm glad I asked that question. I've started to do a little research into people's experiences (opinions) on these setups before we start making decisions and haven't found much, 'til now. I guess I need to look a little harder.
Sweet man, I understand the heat thing. It's not so bad here in Indiana but I lived in AZ for a couple years. Keep us posted. :beer:
Take your time and shop around. Sounds like Camo has found a decent building supplier. When we were looking we called at least a dozen suppliers, and prices and options vary wildly. The most annoying were the really pushy places, one guy went so far as to tell me in almost as many words that the more cooperative I was, the more I kissed his butt and the sooner I purchased, the better the deal would be. If I dragged it out, the price would go up each time I called.
Others are STILL leaving messages on my machine during the day, well over one year later. I understand these guys are salesmen, but there are good and bad salesmen.
fj40guy
07-21-2004, 10:45 AM
Thanks Camo.
I'll check with Steel Buildings. When I do the "automated" build... it doesn't allow for a clear span end. Irony is the picture shows their building with the two end garage doors. :)
http://www.steelbuilding.com/buildings/frame_overview.htm
No kidding about 100F temps... need to get up at 5 am to get work down around the house before heading to work! :p
Tom :usa:
morpheus
07-22-2004, 08:48 AM
why have we seen no new building pics in almost a week :confused: :D :p
why have we seen no new building pics in almost a week :confused: :D :p
cause the last week has been slow progress. :D way to hot out to work on it all day and the part we are working on takes time.
gonna put the roll door on this friday and i will get pics of that
morpheus
07-22-2004, 09:55 AM
about what I figured ... just bustin' yer chops :D
plunkinberry
07-23-2004, 05:03 AM
I got to thinking about your new shop project and have a few general questions:
How did the price of the steel shop compare with a similarly sized stick built shop?
Why is the height necessary? It pretty tall; I understand the need for overhead space, but that seems overly high. Are you planning a second floor/loft for a portion of the shop?
fj40guy
07-23-2004, 09:31 AM
How did the price of the steel shop compare with a similarly sized stick built shop?
Depends on who is building... labor is CHEAPER with the steel building compared to a stick built.
Stick frame is cheaper for just material..... (almost a trade off of current pricing... but noticed the 3/4" roofing plywood I paid $22 for last year is down to $16. Need to stock up!!! :)
Either way figure about $5 sq ft for the slab. Another $10 sq ft. for the building. Depends on how much labor you put into it.
For a "turnkey building" (contractor doing everything) with unfinished interior about $30 to $40 sq ft in Texas.
Tom :usa:
I got to thinking about your new shop project and have a few general questions:
How did the price of the steel shop compare with a similarly sized stick built shop?
Why is the height necessary? It pretty tall; I understand the need for overhead space, but that seems overly high. Are you planning a second floor/loft for a portion of the shop?
i did not price out a stick building because i didn't want a stick building so i can't really give you a comparision.
height..... why ? because it is almost free. the added height say from 10' side walls to 14' side walls was under $1000 and it adds alot of versitility to the building. for a 5% cost increase you get 40% more space.
a second floor, loft , pallet racks, car hoist , climbing wall , better lighting , open feeling , a place to hang cool junk. some of the reasons to go tall.
plunkinberry
07-23-2004, 12:33 PM
I was just wondering. My dad built a 20x40 pole building with steel side and roof and a double layer of plywood for the floor (its his wood and stained glass shop). We drywalled it, ran gas and added radient head, full electric, industrial lighting and insulated everything for around $20k. But we did everything other than the shell.
I've been looking at new places and one of my priorities has been space to build a shop. Gonna be big. With big being a factor, steel will probably be an easier choice. Additionally, I'd like some height for at least a portion of it as well. Height necessary for air movement, storage, trailer parking (camper and enclosed car trailer), etc...
I'd just wondered. I've been told that you can build a 2 car garage very inexpensively by stick building it, but once you start to go much larger, steel is the way to go. I just wondered if you'd done and real comparison. Thanks.
DemoMike
07-23-2004, 12:48 PM
I got to thinking about your new shop project and have a few general questions:
How did the price of the steel shop compare with a similarly sized stick built shop?
This should give an idea of a what an installed "stick" bldg would cost in our area..
http://www.cdunninc.com/Pricing/SloBarn.htm
stRanger
07-23-2004, 06:20 PM
damn with that kinda price comparission someone would almost be crazy to go stick building over steel
ironpig70
07-23-2004, 07:18 PM
my dad was comparing stick vs steel and doing all the work himself and he said steel was not only cheaper but easier to put up a steel building can be done in a week versus the month a wood one takes(looking at a 70 or 80 by 30 building :eek: ) and steel is safer. the down side to steel and upside to wood is that wood is framed in and easier to hang sheetrock and if you want to anchor something to the wall such as cabinets.
progress pic :D
underground utilitys
power panel. man is wire expensive :(
up to this point everything was pretty much in the realm of the average DIY person. however the roof is nothing short of a bitch.
first off it was well over a 100 degrees out when we started. then a pretty stiff breeze came up which cool it off but made handling the insulation and roof panels dangerous. so far i have about 6 hours getting 3 panels on. guys i have talked to who do this for a living say the first 2 edge panels are the hardest since alignment is critical and you have to do it with out the benifit of having a work surface to stand on.
just to make the job more of a challenge i am using 2 layers of insulation.
the layer you see is standard fiberglass and the second layer is aluminum bubble wrap which servers as a radiant heat shield to reflect the suns heat away from the foor. I am told this help alot with summer temps. sure hope it was worth the effort
from the very beginning i had planned on doing everything myself execpt the roll up door. it is just one of those things that takes experiance. i installed on once and it took well over a day and then we still had to call out a company to properly align it since we could not get it working smooth. so i hired a profisional overhead door company to put this in. the knocked it out in about 4 hours.
we finished putting up the front wall yesterday and today the door guys hung the roll up door.
14 x 12
90TOYPU
07-23-2004, 11:25 PM
Looking awesome.........super jealous!!!
Lemoore-on
07-24-2004, 12:23 AM
:smokin:
74_Chevota
07-25-2004, 12:39 PM
Niiiiiiiiice door. My shop just has a 10 foot garage type door. :(
jeeplord
07-25-2004, 03:57 PM
I'm sporting a semi just lookin at it, nice work.
PekingMan
07-26-2004, 08:04 AM
my dad was comparing stick vs steel and doing all the work himself and he said steel was not only cheaper but easier to put up a steel building can be done in a week versus the month a wood one takes(looking at a 70 or 80 by 30 building :eek: ) and steel is safer. the down side to steel and upside to wood is that wood is framed in and easier to hang sheetrock and if you want to anchor something to the wall such as cabinets.
Another aspect to consider is with a stick building, the exterior can be constructed to look like whatever you want. For those with lenient HOA's and wife's who truely care about what the shop looks like on the outside, making the shop look identical or least the same paint scheme as the house is a make or break deal.
B.C. 05
07-26-2004, 10:39 AM
Camo--How is the funciton of the roll-up? Does it go up and down smooth? Do you think there will be any area of the door where air will come in or out?
Reason why I'm asking is I had a local overhead door co. tell me the standard roll-up doors are "junk". In order to get a real good roll-up door he said you would need to get an industrial grade door. Those are in the 3000 plus range, which are out of my league.
I know you haven't used it much at all, was just wondering what your first impression of the roll-up door is? If any others have long-term experience with them post up.
Eric
my door was about $800. insulated ones will cost you more. there is a air gap at the top of the door were it meets the door jamb. you can install a gasget to seal it off. the sides seal up nice. the up and down function is very nice and well balanced. sure you can spend alot more on a better door but i would have to say unless you have some very specialized need the one I got should serve almost every home shop need.
I have 4 big roll up doors on my building at work that get used evey day for the last 10 years and this is a better door than them and I have had almost zero issues with them. maybe they have been adjusted once in 10 years.
sounds like your door guy is just trying to make a buck off you.
check out this door link from www.steelbuilding.com http://steelbuilding.com/pickdoor.asp?FOLocation=B1S2
ironpig70
07-26-2004, 07:21 PM
camo i must say you have balls of brass :flipoff2: i have done 250' repeals(sp)and there is no way in hell i'd get up on that roof. looks good and when i do my shop the rooof is getting subed out :D
B.C. 05
07-27-2004, 08:40 AM
my door was about $800. insulated ones will cost you more. there is a air gap at the top of the door were it meets the door jamb. you can install a gasget to seal it off. the sides seal up nice. the up and down function is very nice and well balanced. sure you can spend alot more on a better door but i would have to say unless you have some very specialized need the one I got should serve almost every home shop need.
I have 4 big roll up doors on my building at work that get used evey day for the last 10 years and this is a better door than them and I have had almost zero issues with them. maybe they have been adjusted once in 10 years.
sounds like your door guy is just trying to make a buck off you.
check out this door link from www.steelbuilding.com http://steelbuilding.com/pickdoor.asp?FOLocation=B1S2
Thanks for the tip and the info, I will look into some other doors and supplier.
finially installed some guts :D
ironpig70
07-27-2004, 11:38 PM
hey camo do you need another tool box :D looks good
plunkinberry
07-28-2004, 05:43 AM
Now I'm even more jealous...
jerseyzuks
07-28-2004, 10:58 AM
color coordiated?
Looks pretty sweet!
fj40guy
07-28-2004, 01:28 PM
finially installed some guts :D
:confused: Milling machine should be GRAY! :flipoff2:
Damn, looking good... keeping me motivated to get through the loans and get the friggin shop built. My mill and lathe are nice RUST color now. :)
Tom :usa:
Paul Gagnon
07-30-2004, 09:07 PM
color coordiated?
They match his toenails. :flipoff2:
well the shop is finally done :D
still left to do.
1. wiring
2. wiring
3. wiring
did i mention i still net to wire it ?
BUZZISCRAZY2
08-18-2004, 11:19 PM
Shit man, I guess i gotta good deal...........I just had another 30x50x12 put up with 2 overhead doors, 1 service door, 5" concrete floor (insulated), decked roof, and apron for 13k...........
buzz
more details and pics please
Paul Gagnon
08-19-2004, 12:18 AM
well the shop is finally done :D
still left to do.
1. wiring
2. wiring
3. wiring
did i mention i still net to wire it ?
Erik are you going to wire it for the internet too?
Poley
08-19-2004, 12:46 AM
u suk man
nice shop :flipoff2:
How hot does that baby get in the Aug temps?... just curious..
K2Orion
10-04-2004, 07:20 PM
Any new pics of this shop in action?
youngladdy
10-04-2004, 08:03 PM
Camo, what do you do for a living? (employment)
zachv
10-05-2004, 06:18 AM
Camo, what do you do for a living? (employment)
He is the Glitter King of the World. :D
How hot does that baby get in the Aug temps?... just curious..
my office is up in the loft.......got up to 135 :D
i have been working on:
2 roof vents
1 5 x 6 window in my office for cross ventilation
1 6000 cfm swamp cooler for the shop
1 2800 cfm swap cooler for the office
4 ceiling fans
1 big shop floor fan
the roof is insulated but not the wall of the shop. so i insulated the office walls.
all in all i should be able to keep the shop at around 80 and the office at 65 during the summer on those 105 days.
Any new pics of this shop in action?
has not been much action in there yet :( i will get some current progress pics though
looking good.
wonder if yours is this big -
http://cherokee.groundclearance.com:81/albums/album13/IMG_1591sized.sized.jpg
or if you wanna get cramped -
http://cherokee.groundclearance.com:81/albums/album13/Img_1794.jpg
The Adam Blaster
10-18-2004, 09:04 AM
Looks good camo, but what the hell is a swamp cooler??
And over this winter, i'll tell you if in-floor heating is over-rated or not. :flipoff2:
fj40guy
10-18-2004, 09:09 AM
what the hell is a swamp cooler??
Swamp cooler is basically a fan with water mist sprayed in the path of the path. Works fairly well in DRY climates. If you have 20% or lower humidity, the water mist evaporates quickly. Evaporate cooling, low cost way of dropping the temp.
For those of us in a humid region, it just means the tools rust that much quicker. :flipoff2:
Tom :usa:
bron86co
11-08-2004, 08:34 PM
Hey Camo how about an update with some pics :confused:
The Adam Blaster
11-08-2004, 09:10 PM
Works fairly well in DRY climates. If you have 20% or lower humidity, the water mist evaporates quickly.
Guess that excludes me. It gets crazy humid here, average like 50-60 i'd say, but often over 80. Oh the joy... :rolleyes:
fj40guy
11-09-2004, 08:09 AM
Guess that excludes me. It gets crazy humid here, average like 50-60 i'd say, but often over 80. Oh the joy... :rolleyes:
Yep... Air conditioning time. :) Something to get the water out of the air, so it feels a little more comfortable.
Working on the "back of the shop ideas". Rather than running AC for the whole shop, having a 24' x 10' space with A/C. Catch is I'd like the milling machine and lathe area's to have A/C, but the "office" area is also within that room, and really don't want all my reference manuals smelling like cutting oil.
Tom :usa:
Pinerog
12-08-2004, 09:56 PM
Update please!!!!!???
chris geiger stoped by the other day and took some new pics....
still not completly wired but I am able to work in it and it is now my office for Pirate4x4
all told i think I have around 25k into the project with a few more to go for the 34 x 30 concrete slab i want poured out front for a work area
my office is actually built ontop of pallet racks :D
Poley
12-15-2004, 04:59 PM
:flipoff2:
Fawk that is nice... love to office, and the work space.
Toyota_Jim
12-15-2004, 06:04 PM
Nice for sure, not big enough for me but nice for the size of what youve got.
Brayden
12-15-2004, 08:07 PM
Great looking shop!! I have just begun (putting posts up) construction on my 40x54 16ft eave polebarn. It also has a 20x30 lean-to on one side for use as office, bathroom, bar, etc.. Your shop makes me wish I had gone with the steel building. I had priced one out several years ago and man before the steel price boom, you could get a 70x90 18 ft eave for under 15 with insulation and doors.
Anyways, Great job.. Oh yeah.. I'm stealing your galvanized siding look for my loft also :)
Thanks,
Brayden
ironpig70
12-15-2004, 11:11 PM
my office is actually built ontop of pallet racks :D
fawk you can check out lots of porn in your office :D how about some pics from the ground of the office sounds like a great idea
Csnyder
12-15-2004, 11:26 PM
Damn that's nice!
I'd say "hope you enjoy it", but I think it's pretty much a given that you will. ;)
- Chris
desertoy
12-16-2004, 09:54 AM
Got enough computer equipment in that one man office?? :D
Kaiser5
12-16-2004, 10:23 AM
Really nice!
How do you plan on keeping all that computer equipment clean (inside & out) in an open environment like that?
DemoMike
12-16-2004, 10:25 AM
Got enough computer equipment in that one man office?? :D
You doing CAD work now? :flipoff2:
Really nice!
How do you plan on keeping all that computer equipment clean (inside & out) in an open environment like that?
some kids have chores around the house like clean their rooms, take out the trash, vacuum .......mine clean daddys shop :D
visitors usually make comments that my shop is cleaner than their house. i guess i just like to clean my shop.
B.C. 05
12-16-2004, 01:55 PM
Very :grinpimp:
Brayden
12-16-2004, 03:27 PM
What kind of floor coating did you use if any?
What lights are you using again, those shots are really bright. Makes for a nice working environment. Was that shot day or night, asking because the roof panels would explain the brightness.
Thanks,
Brayden
Aaronn
12-16-2004, 05:29 PM
some kids have chores around the house like clean their rooms, take out the trash, vacuum .......mine clean daddys shop :D
visitors usually make comments that my shop is cleaner than their house. i guess i just like to clean my shop.
:shaking: :flipoff2: so when are you going to get started on that yard ? :flipoff2:
What kind of floor coating did you use if any?
What lights are you using again, those shots are really bright. Makes for a nice working environment. Was that shot day or night, asking because the roof panels would explain the brightness.
Thanks,
Brayden
the floor is bare cement that was highly polished
i used florescent fixtures over the equipment and 3 wharehouse style high bay lamps for general lighting. those pics were taken during the day
rsitzejr
12-17-2004, 06:36 AM
some kids have chores around the house like clean their rooms, take out the trash, vacuum .......mine clean daddys shop :D
visitors usually make comments that my shop is cleaner than their house. i guess i just like to clean my shop.
Yes, but grinding dust and circuit boards don't mix well. I like the set up, but would protect the computers a bit more.
Kaiser5
12-17-2004, 09:14 AM
Yes, but grinding dust and circuit boards don't mix well. I like the set up, but would protect the computers a bit more.
This is what I was driving at.
6869704x4
12-17-2004, 03:59 PM
Anything come up missing after you poured the concrete? Tools, dogs, cats, children? I poured 15 yards a couple of weeks age and havent seen my crowbar since.
I am curious about the price of concrete out there. I paid about $100 per yard for 3000psi with the fiber. Do you remember how many yards you poured?
if i recall we poured 21 yards at $85 per yard
youngladdy
01-09-2005, 09:14 PM
my office is actually built ontop of pallet racks :D
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=162436&stc=1
Why so many computers?
Speedycheater
01-10-2005, 05:47 PM
Any updates or new interior pics of the whole shop?
Why so many computers?
keeps pbb running :D
Any updates or new interior pics of the whole shop?
i wish :( ........ spent the last 2 weeks digging out from a land slide that brought down 2 feet of mud into the shop. had to dig it out and build a block retaining wall. when it stops raining i will get some pics.
other than that i have not made much progress on the wiring latley but i did get a bad ass furnace installed. pics tomorrow
Speedycheater
01-11-2005, 07:06 PM
Cool, can't wait to see them. I know you've probably been asked this a million times before, but what's with the Red Bridgeport? Did you paint it?
youngladdy
01-11-2005, 08:44 PM
keeps pbb running :D
okay cool.
Cool, can't wait to see them. I know you've probably been asked this a million times before, but what's with the Red Bridgeport? Did you paint it?
ya i painted it and every thing else red :D
took me about 10 hours to prep and paint.
Speedycheater
03-15-2005, 05:50 PM
Any more pics of the inside yet?
6869704x4
03-16-2005, 03:00 PM
keeps pbb running :D
<NASA voice> FIVE...FOUR...THREE...TWO...ONE..LIFTOFF...WE HAVE LIFTOFF<NASA voice off>
My attempt at shop humor got screwed up. When I see that computer setup thats what comes to my mind. A space shuttle launch.
The Joker
06-24-2005, 12:27 PM
I think he has forgotten us. Im about to start a 36x36 that wont be anywhere near this pimp.
I have not forgotten you. just been busy......
latest work done:
retaining wall is in
36x30 concrete slap out front is done
window in office
roof vents installed
all the wiring,lights and fans are now done.
still need to mount swamp cooler and install 30' long I beam for overhead electric winch hoist
I tell ya what it is a bigger project to finish one of these sucks than you ever dream it will be.
I will try and get pics next week
tenpack
07-02-2005, 09:50 PM
did you treat the floor at all? If so, what did you use?
Bmf24
07-03-2005, 06:41 AM
did you treat the floor at all? If so, what did you use?
he answered that one page ago.
What kind of crane setup are going with? What kind of rollers are you going to use for the "trolley" setup?
i bought a HF 1300 lbs electric winch hoist that will be attached to a 2k roller also from HF and it will attach to a 5" I beam that will span the length of the shop.
PAToyota
07-06-2005, 05:33 AM
I tell ya what it is a bigger project to finish one of these sucks than you ever dream it will be.
Yeah, but that is definitely a shop to be proud of. You do good work!
HomeGrown
07-22-2005, 10:04 AM
nice shop camo. im getting ready to order myself a 30x40x14 steel building from the same place. after reading all the stuff on yours, this helped me decide on a company. i have a few questions for you. did you order your big door through the building company and if so what is the specs on it. also what insulation did you use in the roof? also which system did you use to attach the building to the concrete? anything else that i should do that you wish you would have ordered?
thanks tj
4Ruggyfamily
07-22-2005, 12:15 PM
about how much did it all cost? I am wanting to build a shop and wondering what it will cost me.
Reflexx
07-22-2005, 12:38 PM
Camo,
What's that sheetmetal that you used for the office "wall" looks like corrugated / galvanized roofing? where'd you get it and how much?
thanks in advance,
REFLEXX.
My "Garage-Mahal" is slowly progressing, I'll have to post pics soon
HomeGrown
07-22-2005, 12:45 PM
its normal corrugated / galvanized sheetmeatl you cab get it at any lumber yard.
hornett22
07-22-2005, 10:22 PM
nice mexicans! did you rent them or already own them?
Joe V
07-26-2005, 01:17 AM
Install a small bathroom w/shower, roll in a refrigerator, then there'll be no reason to ever go back in the house. Actually, I've always wanted my garage to have a bathroom with just a urinal and sink.
Actually, I've always wanted my garage to have a bathroom with just a urinal and sink.
And what happens when you need to "read the paper", you have to track into the house?
INtj
nice shop camo. im getting ready to order myself a 30x40x14 steel building from the same place. after reading all the stuff on yours, this helped me decide on a company. i have a few questions for you. did you order your big door through the building company and if so what is the specs on it. also what insulation did you use in the roof? also which system did you use to attach the building to the concrete? anything else that i should do that you wish you would have ordered?
thanks tj
1. yes I ordered my door from the building company and it arrived on the same truck with the building so i am assuming the combined freight saved some $$
2. not sure what spec your looking for...it is a heavy duty model " what ever that means" non insulated roll up door. I bought the biggest one that would fit in my wall. If i remember correctly it is something like 14 x 12
3. for insulation on the roof i used 2 types. one is a foil bubble wrap stuff to reflect heat and the other is fiberglass that is in a plastic bag. I belive I used the 4" thick on the roof
4 the main upright beams are bolted to the foundation and the walls use the simpler " L " flashing that is nailed into the concreate and then the walls screw into the angle iron bracket. NOTE...it is the one where you have to build and pour your foundation with a "key" or notch in it for the corragated walls to fit into. pretty simple really
there are a few things i wish i could have done but were left out do to budget issues.
1. insulate the walls and have interior metal finished walls
2. eave extensions on all sides ( mine just has the front )
3. now that it is done I wish it had gutters but i am glad i didn't have to install them :D
4. and probally the biggest regret is I didn't do raditiat floor heat.
other than that I spent alot of years dreaming of building this thing so I had it pretty well thought out what i wanted
about how much did it all cost? I am wanting to build a shop and wondering what it will cost me.
building 13k
total 30k
HomeGrown
07-28-2005, 08:18 AM
thanks camo. should be ordering mine next week
Todd W
02-28-2006, 12:11 PM
Bringing up an old thread....
1. How are those computers working still?
2. Any new overall insdie pics? Curious to see how much it filled up in the last couple years.
3. Is the 'office' staying cool?
-Todd
Better question: Camo started this forum and I haven't seen him post in forever?
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
Todd W
03-05-2006, 01:47 AM
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
Sorry to here that man!:eek:
KidJethro
03-05-2006, 01:59 AM
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
:( :( :(
FSR BIKER
03-05-2006, 08:35 PM
That sucks Camo, your shop came out great.
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
Csnyder
03-06-2006, 12:44 AM
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
Sorry to hear that. That really sucks man. :(
- Chris
PAToyota
03-06-2006, 06:52 AM
Awww, hell... That sucks man.
Went through a divorce myself six years ago. It was a hard and ugly battle, but I mananged to come out of it with my house, my shop, my dog, and my sanity - so I figured that I "won" the battle. She left with all the furniture, her new Jeep, her new motorcycle, and a year's worth of my salary (which I had to roll into the mortgage when I refinanced) so she figured that she had "won" the battle.
But, if she didn't feel that she was "winning" then the beeyotch would never have left...
You do what you have to do... Best of luck, man.
heavytlc
03-06-2006, 11:20 AM
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
WOW!
That sucks ass. I just reread the whole thread. I am in the middle of talks with my concrete contractor, should have 80x100 slab in the next 2weeks. I was getting kind of down with all the stress and large $$ going out, and was wanting to look at the shop build that always made me look forward to my new shop.
Camo I thought I was stressed. Sorry man, I can only guess what you are going through. Always remember you were the one that made it all happen, and you can do it again. I have had my share of girlfriend/money problems, but no children or divorces. Good luck.
TheBandit
03-17-2006, 01:37 PM
ouch
all those tools
that beautiful shop
ouch
How do you lose that kinda stuff in a divorce? What the heck are you getting out of the divorce? I thought you had to basically cheat or beat on someone before you could lose THAT much. Or did you have to sell it all to afford lawyers?
I am young and stupid, please school me on how a divorce can lead to this. How can someone protect themselves from this kind of a loss?
Reflexx
03-17-2006, 01:46 PM
Bandit,
There's only ONE way to avoid this type of tragedy. DON'T GET MARRIED! and NO LONG TERM GIRLFRIENDS IN COMMON LAW STATES.
Camo,
My heart goes out to you. I cannot imagine the pain and suffering this puts you BOTH through.
FWIW Camo. here's a link to what I'm working on (at garagejunkies.net) I hope you don't mind I post it here for you. MANY other good shop builds featured too! You have to "sign up" to see the pics, no biggie.
http://garagejunkies.net/showthread.php?t=916
Travis Waldher
03-17-2006, 02:23 PM
I am young and stupid, please school me on how a divorce can lead to this. How can someone protect themselves from this kind of a loss?
prenup - but even that's not foolproof.
nightcrawler
03-18-2006, 08:30 PM
said truth is after palning my dream shop for 20 years and a liketime of collecting tools and equipmet a nasty divorce has lead me to loose it all :(
but to no avail a will rebuid asap :(
for now I will be living vicaussoly throuht your guys projects
:(
Hope things will turn out for the best.
PAToyota
03-19-2006, 07:31 AM
How do you lose that kinda stuff in a divorce? What the heck are you getting out of the divorce? I thought you had to basically cheat or beat on someone before you could lose THAT much. Or did you have to sell it all to afford lawyers?
I am young and stupid, please school me on how a divorce can lead to this. How can someone protect themselves from this kind of a loss?
From being there, I can only guess that it comes under that bit about dividing up property equally and that Camo couldn't afford to buy her share out.
Nearly happened to me -- and my ex was the one doing the cheating... If I fought it, the lawyers would have gotten everything by the time we were done. So I had to remortgage the whole thing to pay her "her half" of everything. Never mind that all the money for building the shop came out of my paycheck and she spent her paycheck on crap that never amounted to anything. The property is "joint" property any way you look at it.
I do have to admit that it makes you think twice about getting into it again.
SSSRodeo
03-19-2006, 10:33 AM
Camo, Sorry to hear about your troubles....
Been there too! Too sad and long a story to get into, but trust me. It gets better.
Sucks to work so hard to get somewhere and then have to get rid of it.
I've finally got my new shop up and running.
Took a whiile, but this new shop is even better than the first one.
Or the temporary second one.
Hang in there, it will be behind you one of these days.
Sorry we're not closer. You'd be wlcome to build in my shop.
SSSRodeo
Any thoughts on the safety of exposed polystyrene pink/blue/yellow hard insulation in a shop with grinding and cutting going on? Is it really a fire hazard for sparks?
not gonna get into the hows and why of it here but needless to say It's gone.
thanks for the encouragement guys it is heart felt and I will rise from the ashes to build a more bad ass setup then ever before.
Better question: Camo started this forum and I haven't seen him post in forever?
I read it but truthfully it still hurts to much to say much. carry on. :(
90TOYPU
03-19-2006, 09:50 PM
DANG!!...sorry to hear about your divorce. It sounds like you are keeping your chin up though. Good luck Camo!
I read it but truthfully it still hurts to much to say much. carry on. :(
WOW...... so almost a year ago to the day I have finally got to the point where I can even come back to this forum. :)
Things are looking up. I have a new girlfriend and am in love......that and I picked up the keys to our new 6000 sq foot shop today :flipoff2: get it!! looking forward to being back in the shop forum as tools and my shop have always been my hobby as much as my rig.
MT4Runner
03-14-2007, 10:51 PM
Right on! Good for you camo!!
Just spent the evening in my shop trying to decide whether to get a stocker 84 Toy pickup running and sell it or part it out. Didn't get much done, but we drank beer, started a fire, and bullshitted. Shops are important!! Wimmenz have shopping, men have shops!
braxton357
03-15-2007, 12:18 AM
Good to hear. ...so...pics?
SSSRodeo
03-15-2007, 11:31 AM
WOW...... so almost a year ago to the day I have finally got to the point where I can even come back to this forum. :)
Things are looking up. I have a new girlfriend and am in love......that and I picked up the keys to our new 6000 sq foot shop today :flipoff2: get it!! looking forward to being back in the shop forum as tools and my shop have always been my hobby as much as my rig.
That's great news Camo.
Glad to hear things turned around rather quickly for you.
Missed having your input here.
Welcome back Dude!
Curtis
Proeliator
03-15-2007, 03:12 PM
Awesome! I'm glad to hear things are finally coming around. Looking forward to pics of the new shop.
And the new gf's bewbers.
:D
YJgirl
03-15-2007, 04:01 PM
And the new gf's bewbers.
:D
Y'all are damn perv's!!! :flipoff2:
Proeliator
03-15-2007, 04:02 PM
Like THAT should come as any surprise :D
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