So there I was just pulled up to tech and some one came over with BIG RICH standing there looking at my rig. ( rudezuk ) and says stock wheel base on a sammi is 78" and that he has been doing sammis for a vary long time and that he KNOWS! Now for some one that is not even in my class thatz fawked up don’t you think.


now for the other issue I bought two auto trannys with torque converters for some one that wants to be un named. and they were dropped off at ( rudezuk ) shop and when I called him right after he unloaded them and asked him if they had torque converters and flux plates he (played dumb) said that he did not remember and did not have time to go look (could not take more then 5 min. to go look don’t you think ) remember he just unloaded them less then 30 min before and the reason I know this is because the person that dropped them off called me as soon as he dropped them off. :flipoff2:



so I guess I have a couple ????



how do you unload two auto trannys and not see if its got a torque converter on it? remember now this is some one that knows sammis and works on and builds rigs. and every one knows that a torque converter weights a lot!


when I finally got them 6 weeks later they did not have torque converters and they were all nasty looking ! so what happened to the trannys I bought? one tranny had only 46,000 miles on it ( don’t think thatz going to be all dirty or have a striped out tranny mount) :mad3:


so with that said. I guess Keith and myself we got fawked by one of our fellow zukers and im out...



:massey:

Pleae leave off topic garbage out of this thread, this is about a certain situation, if you have nothing to add about this problem then dont reply

Who did you buy the trannies from?

Who did you buy the trannies from?

I think the original seller of the trannies want's to try to stay out if this, but I will say he is a samurai aftermarket dealer (full time shop) who seems to be very well respected around the PBB and elsewhere. I can't think of any reason why he would want to screw over Dan or myself in this transaction. Both he and the person who delivered the trannies both say that one of them was in very good condition and looked almost like it had been beadblasted or pressure washed very well, and they had torqueconverters. Neither of the trannies that showed up from rudezuk were clean, one had a helicoil in the rear mount, and they did not have TC's.

So there I was just pulled up to tech and some one came over with BIG RICH standing there looking at my rig. ( rudezuk ) and says stock wheel base on a sammi is 78" and that he has been doing sammis for a vary long time and that he KNOWS! Now for some one that is not even in my class thatz fawked up don’t you think.





i thought stock WB was 79.9?

so u werent allowed to compete? whats your wb?

i was able to compete after he ( rudzuk ) waisted like 45 min at tech because rich had to go ask brent from TT just seems a lil chicken sh!t to me

i worked hard to build that rig in 3 weeks just to go play.


i thought stock WB was 79.9?

so u werent allowed to compete? whats your wb?

i thought stock WB was 79.9?

Yes, 79.9"
And that's probably what Brent told Rich.
It sounds like that problem was taken care of, but it also sounds like the tranny problem was the main beef in this thread. :(

Dan, Dan, Dan.......
I go these trannies as a favor to you.....From the PBB member who him and the guy he was with took them out of his truck and put them in my shed at my shop....
When I sent these to you as we had agreed, even though you told keith a bunch of BS, you never paid for the shipping on these trannies...

I took them right out of my shed, just as they had come out of the truck, and put them in crates to send to you (i had to wrap them up because they were so greasy and oily!) and I took them to UPS and sent them to you.....

You told me that you would send the money to me with in about 2 days through pay pal........I still havent got my money, over $100 to ship those to you. I have talked to you several times and you told me that you never had any money to send me....BULLSHIT!!

Looked like you had plenty of money to fix your rig and to enter the comp at $200 entry fee!


And as far as the wheelbase thing......I was standing there when you told rich that it was 82" because you had stretched yours out to 83+ inches......And I told them it was 78 or 79". That is called cheating in a comp.......lieing to the tech inspectors about the wheelbase so you can have the advantage over the other guys......that is also BULLSHIT.

I sent you these stupid ass trannies as we had agreed before I even took possesion of them, if you had a problem with the trannies you need to take that up with whom ever you bought them from.............All I did was ship them to you and I GOT SCREWED. :flipoff: :flipoff:

So pay for the shit that you agreed to.

i thought stock WB was 79.9?

so u werent allowed to compete? whats your wb?

No matter what he would have been able to compete...

This kind of thing is what seperates the Mod-Stock class from the other classes...

:shaking: WOW! Imagine Moto not having any money. :shaking: :flipoff:

Dan, Dan, Dan.......
I go these trannies as a favor to you.....From the PBB member who him and the guy he was with took them out of his truck and put them in my shed at my shop....
When I sent these to you as we had agreed, even though you told keith a bunch of BS, you never paid for the shipping on these trannies...

I took them right out of my shed, just as they had come out of the truck, and put them in crates to send to you (i had to wrap them up because they were so greasy and oily!) and I took them to UPS and sent them to you.....

And as far as the wheelbase thing......I was standing there when you told rich that it was 82" because you had stretched yours out to 83+ inches......And I told them it was 78 or 79". That is called cheating in a comp.......lieing to the tech inspectors about the wheelbase so you can have the advantage over the other guys......that is also BULLSHIT.

I sent you these stupid ass trannies as we had agreed before I even took possesion of them, if you had a problem with the trannies you need to take that up with whom ever you bought them from.............All I did was ship them to you and I GOT SCREWED. :flipoff: :flipoff:

So pay for the shit that you agreed to.

Once again Shane you are telling blatant lies to either me or Dan :mad3:

Exactly what BS is it that Dan supposedly told me? Seems to me Dan has been pretty straight with me and even went out of his way to make up for your actions.

Here's the blatant lie part. You told me that one of the guys at the shop is who packed up the trannies and took them to UPS. Then, a week later when the trannies still hadn't shown up (and you still hadn't given me or Dan a tracking number because you didn't have it because you weren't the one who took them to UPS) you call UPS and they say they haven't shipped because the boxes are leaking tranny fluid. I find it hard to believe UPS would just sit on them without contacting either you or Dan to say they can't be shipped. So then you said you had to go down to UPS and re-box them in rubbermaid containers to ship them. Oh, and they were not "all wrapped up" because they were so greasy. All I saw was a pillow/sheet stuffed in there, not exactly something that would prevent leaking. I can go take a pic and post it if you want, the rubbermaid container and one tranny are still sitting in my garage.

So, you just said that you pulled them out of your shed and took them to UPS, yet before you told me that one of your guys did, then you had to fix his screw-up.

So which is it this time :confused: You really ought to get your lies straight Shane :mad3:

No matter what he would have been able to compete...

This kind of thing is what seperates the Mod-Stock class from the other classes...

If your so high and mighty in your class, why did you even care about this and try to create problems :confused:

Dan was not lying or cheating, he built this rig within all the rules of the Mod-stock class. If you want to see an example of someone cheating, here's a pic from one of the other competitors in the mod-stock class. Here is what the rule book states:

"Fender- Vehicles must have an outer front fender. Front inner fenders must be maintained from the radiator back to the centerline of the front shock absorber, stretching from the outer fender down to a distance no greater than 3" from the top of the frame"
"no cutting of the floor is allowed with the following exemptions. The center section of the body is approved for cutting and raising to allow for drivetrain clearance directly over drivetrain components. This does not include axles or axle shafts. Cutting and RE-BOXING for the clearance of non-suspension items, including tires, shocks, and fuel tank is permitted"

This same vehicle also had rear shocks coming through the rear tub and it was not re-boxed in order to meet the requirements.

keith you are right, one of my guys took them to UPS first.....I helped him load them....

He boxed them up and didnt put anything around them, the trannies leaked and soaked the boxes with fluid, so they wouldnt ship them from there terminal..

My guy left his phone number on the box, when he got the message he let me know that they were there..... As soon as this happened I called dan on my way to the store to get the Rubbermaid containers to put the trannies in and let him know what happened with them. Yes I put sheets and pillows in these rubbermaid containers to soak up the tranny fluid if any more had leaked out during shipment so that they would get there....

You know keith.....Sounds like dan was telling us both a line of shit here.....

I remember the first time i talked to Dan about getting money, he told me he had to get money from you to pay for the shipping of the trannies, cause you hadnt paid him the money yet....

Shane, I think we all made mistakes here, and we should all take away some lessons learned and just drop it all. The only reason I'm still upset is because this keeps coming back up and your stories don't match with everything else (including your own stories).

I say we all just drop the whole thing, I didn't get the trannies I was described I was getting, you got some, but not all, of the money for shipping them 5-6 weeks later, my Moab trip was a waste because I didn't have any time to test the truck because of the LONG delay in getting the trannies. I believe I lost alot more money than you did here. So, please stop interjecting your little comments every time Dan posts something. Write it off as a tax write-off or something.

End of story, stop screwing with Dan, stop posting about this situation.

Dan, I think you made your point also, people who read this post know what kind of person Shane is, so you can now drop it from your end. I won't post anymore either.

All is said and done, everyone needs to move on and go wheeling.

Of course, I can't until I get my poor motor fixed.....

All is said and done.....Except im still out the money that Dan owes me!

And your right....I this will be the last post that i post this in, and who ever reads this knows..........................Dont do favors like this for anyone! And Dan is a crook!

All is said and done.....Except im still out the money that Dan owes me!

And your right....I this will be the last post that i post this in, and who ever reads this knows..........................Dont do favors like this for anyone! And Dan is a crook!
yup, that is what I got when I read this thread :shaking:

All is said and done.....Except im still out the money that Dan owes me!

And your right....I this will be the last post that i post this in, and who ever reads this knows..........................Dont do favors like this for anyone! And Dan is a crook!

Come on now Shane, that's not exactly what I meant here. We all lost out on this, you screwed me over BIG time in getting my rig done in time to test it before going to Moab. You lied to me several times. You FAWKED ME OVER!! I lost out more money than you did, so quit your whining!!

You are more of a crook than what you think Dan is. From all appearances and from all the things I've learned about this whole situation it is looking VERY STRONGLY like you took two very clean, nice trannies with torque converters, sold them for a good profit, spent 5 weeks trying to find two cheap, old, dirty trannies without torque converters and sent them to Dan. So drop this sh$t and quit making false/inaccurate/slanderous statements unless you want to step up and tell the truth about what you yourself did.

Come on now Shane, that's not exactly what I meant here. We all lost out on this, you screwed me over BIG time in getting my rig done in time to test it before going to Moab. You lied to me several times. You FAWKED ME OVER!! I lost out more money than you did, so quit your whining!!

You are more of a crook than what you think Dan is. From all appearances and from all the things I've learned about this whole situation it is looking VERY STRONGLY like you took two very clean, nice trannies with torque converters, sold them for a good profit, spent 5 weeks trying to find two cheap, old, dirty trannies without torque converters and sent them to Dan. So drop this sh$t and quit making false/inaccurate/slanderous statements unless you want to step up and tell the truth about what you yourself did.


You need to put the f'ing crack pipe down!! :mad3:

Who ever sold you these trannies is the one that fucked you! And dan fucked you............I hope you got a reach around from it at least!

So i dont know where this slanderous statement you just made came from.......but it needs to stop! :flipoff: :flipoff:

I just sent a PM to this "so called legit vendor" that you got these trannies from too :mad3:

snip..

stop posting about this situation.

snip...


here's a PM from keith(sh996) that I got when this whole problem first came around. seems to me like keith is just trying to start shit...


Rob,

Your absolutely correct in this statement. I talk to Dan every couple days (he is a friend, not just someone doing work on my rig for me) and I did bug him about the trannies, and he also bugged Shane quite a bit about the trannies. Since Dan couldn't do anything, I started PM'ing and calling Shane this week about it.

Sorry to PM you about this, but I don't want to drag this out on the board any more than I already have. I just wanted to support Sticky by saying I was also having trouble with Shane.

I've read alot of your posts and comments on the board and you always seem like a nice guy with a good level head. I value opinions of people like you quite a bit. After posting my original post and then reading the replies and what other people have said, I can see their (and your) point of view more clearly. I still think Shane handled the situation poorly, but I also see that I should have done things a bit differently as well.

Thanks alot for your input, and I sincerely hope you don't view me as a whiny "customer" or anything of the sort.

Keith


and since I don't feel like typing out a reply again I'll say the same damn thing I said in the last thread http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=231479...


Your right, it was done as a favor to Dan, but in regards to me I viewed it as business and that if he handles friends and favors this poorly, how well does he handle his business?


did you compensate shane for his "business" with you. from your post it seems like you didn't. and if you didn't, you have ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY no right to bitch. he attempted to help you out. when it didn't go as planned, he's got some asshole bugging him constantly about his parts. maybe he originally thought it could be done in a timely manner. but then something unexpected might have gotten in the way like: his ACTUAL job (his shop is not his job) or his pregnant wife or his busy comp schedule or... I dunno about you, but if I've got someone I dont know, who isn't paying me, hounding me to get something done when I don't really have the time to do it, I'd get just as pissed as it seems Shane did.

now, if you did pay shane (paying dan the shipping doesn't qualify as paying shane unless you can gurandamntee that shane was compensated for his efforts) then I will shut up. either way I see your post as you bitching about how someone tried to do you a favor, and when you couldn't have your cake and eat it too your panties got in a bunch.

and for the record, I have never met shane. I have talked on the phone with him twice regarding a zuk for sale, and PM'd him with numerous newb questions. every time i have dealt with him, he was a stand up guy.


Your right, I did not pay Shane anything. This was a deal that Dan and Shane worked out. I'm an "innocent bystander" for lack of better words.

you said so yourself...an innocent bystander with no obligations from shane. obligations from Dan yes, not Shane. the person you needed to bug was dan. he's the one you are paying. if he isn't getting your parts, I say thats an example of how he treats his customers.

was this situation handled perfectly by shane, no. but it was favor and as I said before favors are done when they can be done. life doesn't go on hold for favors.

From all appearances and from all the things I've learned about this whole situation it is looking VERY STRONGLY like you took two very clean, nice trannies with torque converters, sold them for a good profit, spent 5 weeks trying to find two cheap, old, dirty trannies without torque converters and sent them to Dan.

Pretty serious charge, lets see you back it up.

oh yeah, and about moto bitching about shane calling him out on his wheel base...

I applaud shane for that whether he is in your class or not. if your wheel base is more than 82" you are not within the rules set by CalROCs. you should have known that when you built your rig. and if you knowingly went into the competition while breaking the rules, I think your rig should be taken out to the back of your shop, covered in gasoline, and burned to the fawking ground. it's cheaters like you that make sports not fun to compete in :mad:.

now, moto, if your rig is under 82" wheelbase the I retract my comment.

and sh996, trying to justify how it's ok to do something wrong by showing another rig that doesn't meet the rules is a bunch of fawking horse shit. 2 wrongs don't make a right...you learn that as a kid. if you see someone else that you think is violating the rules, talk to the rich's about it. I'm sure they want to keep their comps pure and free of cheating fawks.

do you all not get what im trying to say they guy that sold me the trannys sold them to me with torque converters and the guy that droped them off said they were there (because one fell out and leaked all over the bed of his truck




so the ? is what happened to the torque converters ????????


and why dont they match???




the last tiime i talked to shane he said he unloaded 2 dirty nasty trannys. it seems like every time i talk to him he remembers some thing new and has something new to add to the storry.but cant remember if they had torque converters im sure some one that is a gear head would notice if they were there.




if only he would have went and looked insted of playing dumb when he got them


i meen come on anyone that works on rigs and does any automotoive stuff would have noticed dont you think ?????

about the hole wheel base thing sound a lil chicken shit to me every one know what the wheel bace is so why would he say it was 78" :mad3: i dont really fucking care i built that rig to 83" not 82" because thatz what it can be is 83" and it just made shane look like a fucking cock in front of Rich (what a fucking dumb ass) so i dont know how you could applaud him for lieing does not make much sence to me...





[QUOTE=RedNeckRea]oh yeah, and about moto bitching about shane calling him out on his wheel base...

I applaud shane for that whether he is in your class or not. if your wheel base is more than 82" you are not within the rules set by CalROCs. you should have known that when you built your rig. and if you knowingly went into the competition while breaking the rules, I think your rig should be taken out to the back of your shop, covered in gasoline, and burned to the fawking ground. it's cheaters like you that make sports not fun to compete in :mad:.

dont worry im working on that :flipoff2:





Pretty serious charge, lets see you back it up.

i guess another ???? is then why is it when evey time i had some one lined up to pick them up from you you said they were going to be shiped the next day????? dont make much sence to me now does it..



You need to put the f'ing crack pipe down!! :mad3:

Who ever sold you these trannies is the one that fucked you! And dan fucked you............I hope you got a reach around from it at least!

So i dont know where this slanderous statement you just made came from.......but it needs to stop! :flipoff: :flipoff:

how you figure that????????????

yup, that is what I got when I read this thread :shaking:

as for that your and all your shane lovers can fuck off you were not even over there yet when i told him what MY ( not stock sammi ) whell base was 82.5" and yes if i move the axel forward to the middle hole then its 83.75" and if i put it in the hole fathetr farward then i get another 1.25" but i moved it back just to be with in 83" im not a fucking cheater never have been and never will be i have delt with all this shit before


as for that i dont like liars cheaters and peolple that steal so rudezuk you can fuck off



Dan, Dan, Dan.......
And as far as the wheelbase thing......I was standing there when you told rich that it was 82" because you had stretched yours out to 83+ inches......And I told them it was 78 or 79". That is called cheating in a comp.......lieing to the tech inspectors about the wheelbase so you can have the advantage over the other guys......that is also BULLSHIT.
.

I'm sorry. Is it just me or can anyone see where the tech part of this thread is? :confused:

Food for thought people.... Arguing with someone on the internet is like the being in the Special Olympics.


Even if you win, you're still retarded.

:flipoff2:

how you figure that????????????
it just reads this way to me. you are also flat out calling him a theif, stealing your trannys and sending you different ones with no proff at all....... :confused:

you would see it thayt way if it happened to you i have emails and emails from the place i bought them from and also lots of phone talks with the guy that droped them off saying that they had torque converters ( i guess evey one dont see the point somewhere they torque converters were removed, lost or what ever when shane had them so what happened to them ???











:massey:

it just reads this way to me. you are also flat out calling him a theif, stealing your trannys and sending you different ones with no proff at all....... :confused:

yup, that is what I got when I read this thread :shaking:

i hope that was some bassy sarcasm

to all you fucks thowing out your 2 cents who arent involved in this in one way or another calling keith and dan liers is bullshit. Fuck maybe shane is telling the truth to, maybe one of his incompetant helpers who cant pack stuff worth a damn fucked this whole thing up. who knows but dont come in hear saying, i have talked to shane on the phone twice so i know whats up :rolleyes:

but bitches like rea need to shut the hell up, about that wheelbase comment and burning dans rig. you need to EAT SHIT, ever heard of a long wheelbase sammi?? what about these jeeps runing 107 inch WBs umm gee yah fuck you.

I think we can all agree that this needs to be settled, but it never truely will.

-Shane, i do not see you ever getting any money for shipping, sorry thats just how it will be. thank you for shipping the trannys when you finaly did, but

the time delay+ the condition of trannys upon arrival+ the cost of going and finding new torque converters= no money for you.

Do i agree, i wont say but you did have some other offers to get them to dan for free and there are things surrounding your end that seem shady. ohh well live and learn.
P.S. you arent the first to complain about the WB on dans rig at a comp, and last time 83" was deemed to be fair also ;)

Keith- It sucks that you lost out on precious time to have fun with free time (military bro) you lost out in some ways but scored in another. I know dan did some killer work for you, he always does. And i belive he was more than fair on the price due to the issues at hand. at this point i would say that you need to be talking to the original supplier of the trannys and possibly shane about what happened between point A and B. ask your self tho, is it worth either of your time anymore.

- Dan, you have the second most to lose in all of this right behind shane reputation wise. he has a shop and word of mouth is big in this community. you have your own customer base for fabrication type work and rep is very important. You need to be 100% sure that those trannys were in fact in "great" shape when shane got them, yes he wasnt very forthcoming with info on them while in his possesion but that can be due to other things. maybe it would be wise to prove to some naysayers on here that you do take care of loose ends like shane and then go after more info. then and only then that you have solid proof that the trannys got swapped or something should you go after shane for money or something. but until you can prove something all you have on shane is the time delay.

thats is all,
Jared

it just reads this way to me. you are also flat out calling him a theif, stealing your trannys and sending you different ones with no proff at all....... :confused:


actually keith said that, and for the record i will take credit of originally haveing that conspricy theory pop into my head

actually keith said that, and for the record i will take credit of originally haveing that conspricy theory pop into my head

well fuck it, I usually stay out of these threads, so that is where I am going, back to the sidelines and just watch, 3 parties involved, all I said was how it looked the way I read it, why 2 people can read the same thing and see differently is just that we don't all think alike, nor should we all;) latter Sno :)

I will probably regret this ...I have been trying to stay out of this whole shenanigan .

I dropped off the transmissions to Shane . Seemed like a nice guy , and he has a hell of a shop . He even let me look around the shop and answered all the questions I had . I dropped them off , I made nothing on this deal . I did it as a favor for Dan as I was headed out west and had the room in the truck . This way he could save the 125$ shipping on Forward Air .

I unloaded the transmissions with the help of my brother . We put them into a cargo trailer under the bed of a yota that was past the shop but still on the property .There were two transmissions . They were in my possesion for 3 days as I drove to Cali. One of the torque convertors was loose and slid forward .This puked fluid all over my truck . The two trannies both had convertors when I picked them and up and then dropped them off .

One tranny was a pig , the other looked new . They both had convertors ......Take this as you will . There are those who will take both sides . I have no side in this , I was just the delivery guy .

I will probably regret this ...I have been trying to stay out of this whole shenanigan .

I dropped off the transmissions to Shane . Seemed like a nice guy , and he has a hell of a shop . He even let me look around the shop and answered all the questions I had . I dropped them off , I made nothing on this deal . I did it as a favor for Dan as I was headed out west and had the room in the truck . This way he could save the 125$ shipping on Forward Air .

I unloaded the transmissions with the help of my brother . We put them into a cargo trailer under the bed of a yota that was past the shop but still on the property .There were two transmissions . They were in my possesion for 3 days as I drove to Cali. One of the torque convertors was loose and slid forward .This puked fluid all over my truck . The two trannies both had convertors when I picked them and up and then dropped them off .

One tranny was a pig , the other looked new . They both had convertors ......Take this as you will . There are those who will take both sides . I have no side in this , I was just the delivery guy .

thank you that info was needed

I'm sorry. Is it just me or can anyone see where the tech part of this thread is? :confused:

Food for thought people.... Arguing with someone on the internet is like the being in the Special Olympics.


Even if you win, you're still retarded.

:flipoff2:

This is the best thing i have read in this thread!
Dan, Jeep Parts and I all know what really happened here.

I wont say anymore on this subject here, unless dan wants to talk man to man in person on this subject............................

This is the best thing i have read in this thread!
Dan, Jeep Parts and I all know what really happened here.

I wont say anymore on this subject here, unless dan wants to talk man to man in person on this subject............................


i know ou said you wont post anymore but with what you just said and quoted thats a total cop out :shaking: sad really, you seemed more stand up than that. really shane i am not trying to bash you but after what was just posted by jeeppartz, how can you not be more forthcoming with an explination

i know ou said you wont post anymore but with what you just said and quoted thats a total cop out :shaking: sad really, you seemed more stand up than that. really shane i am not trying to bash you but after what was just posted by jeeppartz, how can you not be more forthcoming with an explination


What i said is what happened......That is how it went down...........Jeep Parts is trying to pull a fast one on dan, making me the scape goat here for him lieing to dan about the condition of the parts.....That is what i have to say to that :mad3:

What i said is what happened......That is how it went down...........Jeep Parts is trying to pull a fast one on dan, making me the scape goat here for him lieing to dan about the condition of the parts.....That is what i have to say to that :mad3:


i thought jeeppartz didnt sell them, only was the delivery guy. why would he lie? If you truely believe dan is a vicim of a lie from jeepartz or the vendor that sold them, why not try to help him resove this. i am sure you could get paid for your troubles then. just an idea

Any chance the shop who sold the trannies will come out? Is Jeep parts the delivery guy or the seller?

What i said is what happened......That is how it went down...........Jeep Parts is trying to pull a fast one on dan, making me the scape goat here for him lieing to dan about the condition of the parts.....That is what i have to say to that :mad3:

What gives?

You have been flaming Moto for months now every time he post and now you want to take it off the PBB. Thats gay.

Settle it already and find out who the lying.

fatkid

as a complete outsider, I just want to say this hole deal sounds like there were tooo many hands in the cookie jar. That is why i buy direct and do my own work. Anytime your when buying from one guy that has another ship it from a guy that picked it up form this other guy. you are gonna play telephone and end up feeling cheated. And honestly bashing a vender, shop, even another board member is totaly out of line and should be kept in PM. man were all zuker's can't we find a jeep to hate?

What i said is what happened......That is how it went down...........Jeep Parts is trying to pull a fast one on dan, making me the scape goat here for him lieing to dan about the condition of the parts.....That is what i have to say to that :mad3:

Shane I am not sure what happend at your shop after I dropped off the trannies but they had convertors when I left them. I have nothing to gain from this ,why would I pull a fast one ? What part of I amjust a delivery guy didnt you get ? I didnt sell the trannies ! I made 0$ on this whole deal , I didnt even ask for any diesel money . The only thing I got out of it is all this drama ,and a pickup bed full of ATF .

I dont fucking lie and I am fucking pissed that you would insinuate that I did . The only fast one being pulled is evidently being pulled by you .

but bitches like rea need to shut the hell up, about that wheelbase comment and burning dans rig. you need to EAT SHIT, ever heard of a long wheelbase sammi?? what about these jeeps runing 107 inch WBs umm gee yah fuck you.



listen up fawkwad...I understand there are jeeps, yotas, scouts, fords, etc out there with longer wheelbases STOCK than a STOCK short wheel base sammi (which dan's clearly is). The rules for CalROCS clearly states that for modified stock you can stretch the wheelbase of a rig no more than 3". that is for every make, model, and year that wants to compete in the modified stock class. that means that a rig with a stock WB 91" can go no more than 94". a sammi that has a stock WB of 79" can go no more than 82" (so using my 1st grade math skills 83"-79" = 4" wheel base stretch = illegal). those are the fawking rules and you have to abid by them. don't like them, don't compete. go into a competition knowing that you are cheating and I think you should be banned from every sanctioning body and have your rig destroyed...simple as that.

now if you had even gotten to the bottom of my post before you shot off your cock sucking mouth you would have read that I didn't know the whole situation and that if dan's rig met the rules that what I said had no value. apparently dan's rig does not meet the rules of CalROCs and dan went into this competition with that knowledge. therefore, he is a cheater and shane was in the right attempting to let the promoters know of a possible problem. just like dan or keith should have let one of the rich's know about the pictured rig. and before you attempt to play the "pussy" card. following the rules and ratting someone out in this case is not pussy, it's trying to keep a level playing field for all those involved in the competition.

sidebar: am I saying 1" in wheelbase is gonna help dan all that much, no. it's the principal of the matter that I'm frustrated about.

in conclusion...trooper stfu and go sit in the corner :flipoff:

listen up fawkwad...I understand there are jeeps, yotas, scouts, fords, etc out there with longer wheelbases STOCK than a STOCK short wheel base sammi (which dan's clearly is). The rules for CalROCS clearly states that for modified stock you can stretch the wheelbase of a rig no more than 3". that is for every make, model, and year that wants to compete in the modified stock class. that means that a rig with a stock WB 91" can go no more than 94". a sammi that has a stock WB of 79" can go no more than 82" (so using my 1st grade math skills 83"-79" = 4" wheel base stretch = illegal). those are the fawking rules and you have to abid by them. don't like them, don't compete. go into a competition knowing that you are cheating and I think you should be banned from every sanctioning body and have your rig destroyed...simple as that.

now if you had even gotten to the bottom of my post before you shot off your cock sucking mouth you would have read that I didn't know the whole situation and that if dan's rig met the rules that what I said had no value. apparently dan's rig does not meet the rules of CalROCs and dan went into this competition with that knowledge. therefore, he is a cheater and shane was in the right attempting to let the promoters know of a possible problem. just like dan or keith should have let one of the rich's know about the pictured rig. and before you attempt to play the "pussy" card. following the rules and ratting someone out in this case is not pussy, it's trying to keep a level playing field for all those involved in the competition.

sidebar: am I saying 1" in wheelbase is gonna help dan all that much, no. it's the principal of the matter that I'm frustrated about.

in conclusion...trooper stfu and go sit in the corner :flipoff:

and once again you dont know what the you are talking about, he was within 3 inches, stock is 79.9". dans is just under 83" its the same wheelbase that he ran last year. Someone complained then and it was deemed fair, as it was deemed fair this year. DO YOU UNDERSTAND. so how about you retract you stupid fucking comments like you said you would now.

what about the zuk there with a wb of over 90" on a swb body and frame, did shane say anything about that? Do you know if dan had a lwb frame? Basically what i am getting at is you dont know shit about shit in this situation so you are the one who needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP. you should have never posted before.

I think you should be banned from every sanctioning body and have your rig destroyed.

While I am not a competitor, and also I don't know any of you guys in this controversy, I just wanted to say that I thought NOT being banned was the best way to destroy a rig!! :-)

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Stop it.

Stop it.

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and once again you dont know what the you are talking about, he was within 3 inches, stock is 79.9". dans is just under 83" its the same wheelbase that he ran last year. Someone complained then and it was deemed fair, as it was deemed fair this year. DO YOU UNDERSTAND. so how about you retract you stupid fucking comments like you said you would now.

it's already been retracted didpshit. glad you know how to read :rolleyes:


what about the zuk there with a wb of over 90" on a swb body and frame, did shane say anything about that? Do you know if dan had a lwb frame? Basically what i am getting at is you dont know shit about shit in this situation so you are the one who needs to SHUT THE FUCK UP. you should have never posted before.
did shane know about this zuk and all it's specifics? if he did and he didn't say anything then I will agree with you that him saying something about dan's rig and not about the other was dick. all I know is shane knew dan's rig could be over the legal limit (from an earlier post by dan: and yes if i move the axel forward to the middle hole then its 83.75" and if i put it in the hole fathetr farward then i get another 1.25" ).

how was shane supposed to know that dan had it in the proper hole? and also, if shane wasn't the one who brought the complaint last year, how was he supposed to know that the 83" had previously been contested and dan was allowed to compete? as I said before, I hate cheaters and I'd rather see someone notify the promoters of a possible problem rather than assume everything is ok. shit howdy...it couldn't have took you more than an hour to get the whole thing straightened out and dan was allowed to compete anyways correct? seems pretty petty to me to have dan come onto this board and smear shane's name for something so simple.

so my last question is why, if dan thinks what shane did was "fawked", did dan even bring the whole comp thing to the table :confused: seems like that is over and done with, and the only thing that needs to be settled is the tranny deal (which I'd just kinda take troopers advice, everyone got fawked so lets let it alone)

first off you stupid fuck



stock wheel bace is 79.9" (now use 1st grade math and what do we have rounded up 80")


second off my wheel bece was 82.5" and i would not go to a comp unless it was with in the rules because of last year (witch it was ok then to) because the guy that got 3rd (same guy that cheated and won this year) was bitching the last 2 runs on sunday


and 3rd SHANE IS A FUCKING LAIRER WHEN HE WALKED UP TO RICH AT TECH AND SAID STOCK WHEEL BACE ON A ZUK IS 78" WHEN WE ALL KNOW IT 80"



do you get the point im trying to make yet

:massey:



listen up fawkwad...I understand there are jeeps, yotas, scouts, fords, etc out there with longer wheelbases STOCK than a STOCK short wheel base sammi (which dan's clearly is). The rules for CalROCS clearly states that for modified stock you can stretch the wheelbase of a rig no more than 3". that is for every make, model, and year that wants to compete in the modified stock class. that means that a rig with a stock WB 91" can go no more than 94". a sammi that has a stock WB of 79" can go no more than 82" (so using my 1st grade math skills 83"-79" = 4" wheel base stretch = illegal). those are the fawking rules and you have to abid by them. don't like them, don't compete. go into a competition knowing that you are cheating and I think you should be banned from every sanctioning body and have your rig destroyed...simple as that.

now if you had even gotten to the bottom of my post before you shot off your cock sucking mouth you would have read that I didn't know the whole situation and that if dan's rig met the rules that what I said had no value. apparently dan's rig does not meet the rules of CalROCs and dan went into this competition with that knowledge. therefore, he is a cheater and shane was in the right attempting to let the promoters know of a possible problem. just like dan or keith should have let one of the rich's know about the pictured rig. and before you attempt to play the "pussy" card. following the rules and ratting someone out in this case is not pussy, it's trying to keep a level playing field for all those involved in the competition.

sidebar: am I saying 1" in wheelbase is gonna help dan all that much, no. it's the principal of the matter that I'm frustrated about.

in conclusion...trooper stfu and go sit in the corner :flipoff:

that was not the problem you dumb shit if you read the hole thing SHANE WALKED UP TO RICH AT TECH AND SAID STOCK WHEEL BASE ON A ZUK IS 78" AND THAT HE HAS BEEN DOING THIS STUFF FOR A LONG TIME AND HE KNOWS with that said we all reddy know what stock wheel bace is 80" so once again shane is a lairer


i did not go to a comp with a rig that was not with in rules when i built it (in 3 weeks) it was for one reason a bad ass stock mod rig and yes i read the rules and even called rich and lil rich like 10 times to make sure i was ok :flipoff2:


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so my last question is why, if dan thinks what shane did was "fawked", did dan even bring the whole comp thing to the table :confused: seems like that is over and done with, and the only thing that needs to be settled is the tranny deal (which I'd just kinda take troopers advice, everyone got fawked so lets let it alone)

now that im done with all this shit i guess the only one that really gets fucked is keith because he has knows nonthing about the tranny he got



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This is a rare occasion where ST talks rationally and I agree with most of what he has said.

i hope that was some bassy sarcasm

to all you fucks thowing out your 2 cents who arent involved in this in one way or another calling keith and dan liers is bullshit. Fuck maybe shane is telling the truth to, maybe one of his incompetant helpers who cant pack stuff worth a damn fucked this whole thing up. who knows but dont come in hear saying, i have talked to shane on the phone twice so i know whats up :rolleyes:

but bitches like rea need to shut the hell up, about that wheelbase comment and burning dans rig. you need to EAT SHIT, ever heard of a long wheelbase sammi?? what about these jeeps runing 107 inch WBs umm gee yah fuck you.

I think we can all agree that this needs to be settled, but it never truely will.

-Shane, i do not see you ever getting any money for shipping, sorry thats just how it will be. thank you for shipping the trannys when you finaly did, but

the time delay+ the condition of trannys upon arrival+ the cost of going and finding new torque converters= no money for you.

Do i agree, i wont say but you did have some other offers to get them to dan for free and there are things surrounding your end that seem shady. ohh well live and learn.
P.S. you arent the first to complain about the WB on dans rig at a comp, and last time 83" was deemed to be fair also ;)

Keith- It sucks that you lost out on precious time to have fun with free time (military bro) you lost out in some ways but scored in another. I know dan did some killer work for you, he always does. And i belive he was more than fair on the price due to the issues at hand. at this point i would say that you need to be talking to the original supplier of the trannys and possibly shane about what happened between point A and B. ask your self tho, is it worth either of your time anymore.

- Dan, you have the second most to lose in all of this right behind shane reputation wise. he has a shop and word of mouth is big in this community. you have your own customer base for fabrication type work and rep is very important. You need to be 100% sure that those trannys were in fact in "great" shape when shane got them, yes he wasnt very forthcoming with info on them while in his possesion but that can be due to other things. maybe it would be wise to prove to some naysayers on here that you do take care of loose ends like shane and then go after more info. then and only then that you have solid proof that the trannys got swapped or something should you go after shane for money or something. but until you can prove something all you have on shane is the time delay.

thats is all,
Jared

Sh996 paid Moto to work on rig for Moab trip.
Sh996/Moto buy auto trannies from east coast.
Jeep partz delivers them to RZ shop with at least one converter (don’t specifically remember if you said both had converters).
RZ has others take care of shipping to Moto, and the trannies shipped without torque converters.
Shipping is delayed for some reason or another (5 weeks?) (Who delayed it? RZ or someone in his shop?)
Moto barely gets rig together before sh996 Moab trip.
Sh996 is mad because the trannies took him to the wire and rig went un-tested.
Sh996/moto only send a portion of shipping costs to RZ because of the delay and lost/missing parts.

RZ feels that Moto owes him $100.
Moto and sh996 feels that RZ or someone at his shop pulled a “switcharoo” on at least one tranny, and are accusing RZ of it, or at least being in “the know” about it.

Currently, RZ, Moto, and sh996 have chapped ass about whole situation. Nothing at this point can be done to resolve it. The tranny deal is done and over with and the converters are MIA. RZ is not getting paid for shipping.

I guess now that we are all in “the know” about the situation - this thread can die and others like it will not pop up in the future.

Sh996 paid Moto to work on rig for Moab trip.
Sh996/Moto buy auto trannies from east coast.
Jeep partz delivers them to RZ shop with at least one converter (don’t specifically remember if you said both had converters).
RZ has others take care of shipping to Moto, and the trannies shipped without torque converters.
Shipping is delayed for some reason or another (5 weeks?) (Who delayed it? RZ or someone in his shop?)
Moto barely gets rig together before sh996 Moab trip.
Sh996 is mad because the trannies took him to the wire and rig went un-tested.
Sh996/moto only send a portion of shipping costs to RZ because of the delay and lost/missing parts.

RZ feels that Moto owes him $100.
Moto and sh996 feels that RZ or someone at his shop pulled a “switcharoo” on at least one tranny, and are accusing RZ of it, or at least being in “the know” about it.

Currently, RZ, Moto, and sh996 have chapped ass about whole situation. Nothing at this point can be done to resolve it. The tranny deal is done and over with and the converters are MIA. RZ is not getting paid for shipping.

I guess now that we are all in “the know” about the situation - this thread can die and others like it will not pop up in the future.

That pretty much sums it up. Thanks!!

If Shane still feels Moto owes him $120 for shipping, then he can subtract that from the $300 I had to spend on the TC's that went missing while the trannies were in his posession. So, that would mean $300-$120=$180. Seems like Shane owes me $180. Now, if he and Dan will now drop this and never mention it again, I'll forgo the $180 and call it a lesson learned for all of us involved in this unfortunate fiasco.

That pretty much sums it up. Thanks!!

If Shane still feels Moto owes him $120 for shipping, then he can subtract that from the $300 I had to spend on the TC's that went missing while the trannies were in his posession. So, that would mean $300-$120=$180. Seems like Shane owes me $180. Now, if he and Dan will now drop this and never mention it again, I'll forgo the $180 and call it a lesson learned for all of us involved in this unfortunate fiasco.


WORD!!! :D


silver bells- i am always rational, what are you talking about
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damn kids , it sucks that this tight knit crowd is all fall'n apart...everyone is taking sides . i have always been impressed with the suzuki board due to the open sharing of informatoin and well documented buildups.as wel as lack of shit slinging.

it saddens me to see this go down.



i have no say in the case cause well... i am 1000's of miles away from you guys and well, i wasn't there.i can only hope this b.b.s. does not loose informed/knowledable folks due to all this.then everyone will looses

zukikid

well sence i cant post with out getting flamed im out so if you need anything hit me up in pm k



:massey:

well sence i cant post with out getting flamed im out so if you need anything hit me up in pm k



:massey:


if you can afford money for a internet connection then you can send shane his $100 dollars for shipping :mad3: :mad3: :mad3:












:flipoff2: sound familiar

dont stop posting fag, we need our fix of fuzzy pictures and 1st grade writing techniques

So there I was just pulled up to tech and some one came over with BIG RICH standing there looking at my rig. ( rudezuk ) and says stock wheel base on a sammi is 78" and that he has been doing sammis for a vary long time and that he KNOWS! Now for some one that is not even in my class thatz fawked up don’t you think.


now for the other issue I bought two auto trannys with torque converters for some one that wants to be un named. and they were dropped off at ( rudezuk ) shop and when I called him right after he unloaded them and asked him if they had torque converters and flux plates he (played dumb) said that he did not remember and did not have time to go look (could not take more then 5 min. to go look don’t you think ) remember he just unloaded them less then 30 min before and the reason I know this is because the person that dropped them off called me as soon as he dropped them off. :flipoff2:



so I guess I have a couple ????



how do you unload two auto trannys and not see if its got a torque converter on it? remember now this is some one that knows sammis and works on and builds rigs. and every one knows that a torque converter weights a lot!


when I finally got them 6 weeks later they did not have torque converters and they were all nasty looking ! so what happened to the trannys I bought? one tranny had only 46,000 miles on it ( don’t think thatz going to be all dirty or have a striped out tranny mount) :mad3:


so with that said. I guess Keith and myself we got fawked by one of our fellow zukers and im out...



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Pleae leave off topic garbage out of this thread, this is about a certain situation, if you have nothing to add about this problem then dont reply
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your a bit late, the partys already over and you missed all the cool shit

how bout those red sox???????lol

Don't remind me...they suck this year and it's hard be part of Red Sox's nation.


Koko

dont the Sox's suck every year????

pretty much