Call me crazy or whatever but it's done more or less lot's of ends to tie up but it rides nice and everything is working otay.
I have the wrap bar made just need to mount it in the skid so this weekend it should be officially complete as long as I can fab up some new bumpstops.
Preliminary flexing shows about 11" of travel just as much as when it was coils (shocks are a bit short) but no more rear steer. Also the Jeep squats upon acceleration it's not twsiting to one side like with the coils. All in all it was not too bad of a swap now I get to do my wifes the same at least all the guess work is done so it will be much eaiser second time around.

http://community.webshots.com/album/29128196ERRVqgQEYS

Crazy;)

here's Brad Kilby's TJ-7

TJ-7 (http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/tj7/tj7_main.shtml)

This might give you some ideas for your wife's


Craig

there goes one generation of engineering out the window. maybe it would have been easier to redesign the links instead of swapping out suspensions. shesh...

Originally posted by aaronlosey
there goes one generation of engineering out the window. maybe it would have been easier to redesign the links instead of swapping out suspensions. shesh...

Long Arm was considered but we don't plan on going over 35's and I didn't want to drag the arms over everything.
Even Long Arm kits like RE, Tera skyjacker etc... still have issues with the funny handling quirks. Don't get me wrong I'm sure I could have done something with the arms but in the end leafs were eaiser, more durable and a lot less expensive IMO.
I still get just as much flex as before and none of the handling issues, so far I'm really enjoying the coils in front leafs in back combo. Now I didn't go out and drop 20K into a TJ just to hack off the rear suspension it's a 97 and was bought for 11k with 20Kish miles almost 3 years ago. I have really enjoyed wheeling it with coils but they do tend to do funny things sometimes, like make you pop serious wheelies on ledges if you bind up the rear tires the right way. I suppose a Yj might hae been the way to go but I would never had been able to get one with the low miles like I did the TJ and like I said I do like the front coils.

Well, at least you went SOA in the rear....

It's funny that TJ guys are just now figuring out what Jeep knew back in 1984. The Cherokee suspension is really ideally tuned for on-road controlled comfort and off-road flex. Best of both worlds.

Matt

WTF, why didn't you just buy a YJ. You took the greatest thing Jeep has done in 20 years and destroyed it. Boy I bet that rides just as good as a real TJ :confused: NOT. Some people will never learn. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by onsafari
WTF, why didn't you just buy a YJ. You took the greatest thing Jeep has done in 20 years and destroyed it. Boy I bet that rides just as good as a real TJ :confused: NOT. Some people will never learn. :rolleyes:

I think he covered that for ya, my take on it is if I had it to do all over again I probably would have bought a YJ. That would have been based solely on cost, reliabilty and good financing came with a TJ.

Now how much lift do you have on your TJ? A 3" lift is not soo bad but get into the 8"-10" range and they really don't handle for chit, of course you can redesign the 5 link to work with that kind of lift but that knowledge and parts do not come for free, my rear leaf conversion with 8" lift is costing me a whopping $150 :eek: ! I had been working and reworking a 3 link then 4 link designs and just the joints I wanted alone were $150 then add the tube and then bushings and then coils, oh and who makes 8" coils? Just Skyjacker and they are ~$200 a pair.

Now from you what major advantages does the link and coil have over leaves? You must know or you (as a newbie) wouldn't be jumping his @ss about it. Both of us and Brad fully know the advantages but are simply wondering if it is worth the extra cost, IMHO it is not.

Originally posted by onsafari
WTF, why didn't you just buy a YJ. You took the greatest thing Jeep has done in 20 years and destroyed it. Boy I bet that rides just as good as a real TJ :confused: NOT. Some people will never learn. :rolleyes:

I can tell you must be a little wet behind the ears yet. :flipoff2:

As was explained above, having coils on all 4 corners of a lifted TJ causes some weird handling at times. They are prone to do wheelies, lift the inside tire of tight turns if you get ao the thottle some and more. Having leaf springs in the rear fixes these problems.

Do you think Jeep engineered them to be lifted and run with big tires? NOT.... Tj's were engineered by Chrysler not Jeep. Shit Chrysler thinks a KJ is better than a XJ is... They also will be using independant front suspenion on all Jeeps in the future. They also think aluminum D44's are a good idea.

It's his right as a Jeeper to change the design as he see's fit. I would swap in leaf springs also.:flipoff2:

If he wanted it to ride like a Caddy that's what he would have bought... :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Well lets start with who needs to lift a TJ 8"? Do you really need to go that high. I personally would be scared to death with that high of a lift. I believe 6" is max. If you want 38's put a 6" lift on and trim the sheetmetal. There are two really good 6" lifts on the market ( RE and RR ) that I feel are a hell of lot better than putting leafs on a coil sprung vehicle.

Now my title might be a newbie around here but I pretty sure I know a little about wheeln. Hell I guess since I have only been a CAD enginner for 8 years I guess I don't know shit. Since I have access to the program PRO-E I sit here time to time and dink around with coil spring and four link designs. And I can tell you it might cost more than leaves but coil springs or even coil overs with a triangulated four link in the rear is a heel of allot better than leaves.

However I myself run the 6 RR kit and have come to the conclusion if you want to lift a TJ right you need to build a custom lift. I know it is expensive but the bennifits from it are un-matchable. On the rear I would but a set of 6" coils with triangulated long arm set-up (eliminate trash bar). On the front I would do a set of coil overs with a pair of long arm uppers and a pair of long arm lowers (kept track bar). I have been running this system through the program and can't seem to find any flaws except for price $3500. Doing this gets rid of all the myths that your about a lifted TJ.

But hey, everyone has a right to do what they want and if you want to take a good rear suspension design and put leaves on it goo right ahead.

You didn't answer my question, what are the advantages?

( I am no engineer but my first ride was a Jeep and I haven't stopped, I am not impressed by Pro-e, now if you post some images I may become impressed but I have it too.)

Originally posted by JEEP_TJ_FREAK
You didn't answer my question, what are the advantages?

( I am no engineer but my first ride was a Jeep and I haven't stopped, I am not impressed by Pro-e, now if you post some images I may become impressed but I have it too.)

Better ride and handling.
More efficient and smoother throughout the full suspension cycle
Better articulation
Easier to tune for driver preferences
And so on and so on.

I would love to post images but if you want to see the actual results and the proof you have to see the program run through the process. BTW, if you are not impressed with PRO-E, then you are not proficient with the software or you just don't understand what you are looking at.

i've spit the right rear coil out twice wheelin...i should be going to leaves in Feb. for many of the same reasons already stated...

Originally posted by Cutter
i've spit the right rear coil out twice wheelin...i should be going to leaves in Feb. for many of the same reasons already stated...

How did you spit the coil out? I have never heard of that happening.

Making coil retainers is simple enough, but I agree on the tendencies of TJs to lift the drivers front tire up on hill climbs....Way up.... It's pretty unsettling, and something I never had a problem with on my YJ. Instead of clawing up the hill, it just swings that tire skyward. It's hard to judge whether to keep your foot in the gas or let off before you wind up on your lid....

Originally posted by Welby
Making coil retainers is simple enough, but I agree on the tendencies of TJs to lift the drivers front tire up on hill climbs....Way up.... It's pretty unsettling, and something I never had a problem with on my YJ. Instead of clawing up the hill, it just swings that tire skyward. It's hard to judge whether to keep your foot in the gas or let off before you wind up on your lid....

With the long arm lift you don't have that problem. Well at least I don't, can't speak for everybody.

Originally posted by onsafari
Well lets start with who needs to lift a TJ 8"? Do you really need to go that high. I personally would be scared to death with that high of a lift. I believe 6" is max. If you want 38's put a 6" lift on and trim the sheetmetal. There are two really good 6" lifts on the market ( RE and RR ) that I feel are a hell of lot better than putting leafs on a coil sprung vehicle.

Now my title might be a newbie around here but I pretty sure I know a little about wheeln. Hell I guess since I have only been a CAD enginner for 8 years I guess I don't know shit. Since I have access to the program PRO-E I sit here time to time and dink around with coil spring and four link designs. And I can tell you it might cost more than leaves but coil springs or even coil overs with a triangulated four link in the rear is a heel of allot better than leaves.

However I myself run the 6 RR kit and have come to the conclusion if you want to lift a TJ right you need to build a custom lift. I know it is expensive but the bennifits from it are un-matchable. On the rear I would but a set of 6" coils with triangulated long arm set-up (eliminate trash bar). On the front I would do a set of coil overs with a pair of long arm uppers and a pair of long arm lowers (kept track bar). I have been running this system through the program and can't seem to find any flaws except for price $3500. Doing this gets rid of all the myths that your about a lifted TJ.

But hey, everyone has a right to do what they want and if you want to take a good rear suspension design and put leaves on it goo right ahead.

So in other words You would take "WHAT YOU CALL" the greatest thing Jeep has done in 20 years and destroy it ALSO... Hmmm

That program can't take all the different conditons an off road Jeep can see and duplicate them can it???

There is nothing that compares to real world experence better than real world experence...

How about some pics of your custom suspension designs in action. :D

If the TJ coil suspension is so good it wouldn't need to be completely reengineered now would it.

As for spending $3500.00 on suspension, one could swap in leaves for cheap, and use all the extra cash to build some beefy axles. You would still be stuck with axles the snap while showing off your set-up...

OR just add a set of buggy leafs to the leaf springs and you will have all the flex you need if not more... and have enough cash left over to go on a bunch of wheelin trips.

:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by onsafari


Better ride and handling.
More efficient and smoother throughout the full suspension cycle
Better articulation
Easier to tune for driver preferences
And so on and so on.[/i]

Okay so we will stick to your terms, rather then using techy engineering jargon. How do you quantify each of those areas that influence you decision? For a $3350 cost difference not including the fab time and design time there should be some serious numbers to sway me as it obviously has you.

(What kind of materials are you choosing to get $3500 cost anyway?)

Another issue not yet addressed is balancing the suspension front to rear, I cannot see that being done without installing full width axles or narrowing the chassis where the gas tank sits or go leaf.

[i]
I would love to post images but if you want to see the actual results and the proof you have to see the program run through the process. BTW, if you are not impressed with PRO-E, then you are not proficient with the software or you just don't understand what you are looking at.

I need to clarify, I think Pro-e is a good application, I am just not impressed with all the users. If I had CATIA and a home made dongle would that give me special knowledge of suspension design? Nope.

The only reason I brought the program into the subject is because it is kinda what I do for a living. What I do everyday with this and other software can be taken into suspension design very easily. As for the cost of $3500 cost that price was complete ready to roll out the garage door. As soon as I have the time and get all the material together I will be doing it. There is nothing fancy about the suspension system I am talking about. In fact it is pretty old school. Look at all of the custom rock buggies, similar design to what I am doing.

Does putting leafs on the back and leaving the coils up front balance out a suspension, I don't know that. But does it make the complete suspension work better, I doubt it. Maybe for a street application, but not for off-roading.

To me spending $3500 on a suspension system that I know myself will work for street and hardcore off-roading is not a problem. Allot of people are under a budget and can't afford this kind of set-up and thats fine, but why would you waste money on a vehilce with coil springs and put leafs on it. Seems like a setback to me.

But anyway enough of this back and forth nonsence. I hope that GDGMOJO system works out the way he had planned for him.

looks good man. glad yah had the balls to do it and didnt listen to these nay sayers. im sure you will like it, and i bet it works better. just cause jeep build it doesnt mean its an improvement. they just went ifs does that mean that thats an improvement, i think not. :flipoff2: to all you people trashing on him

youre not the first who has done it..... and i can see why one would do such a thing....


i have a tj, and will be goin coilover........ if i had a yj id be going coilover also... why because its my junk and i like coilovers.. :D


to me its not about $$$, its about what "I" want...... this is my hobby/passion/sport so i will do things my way when i want to..... i dont care how much $$$ i spend, thats what i save for! :D

if your happy with it, and it works for "you" then thats all that really matters!


btw, you can get coils to work!

Originally posted by onsafari


How did you spit the coil out? I have never heard of that happening.
i think most TJ lifts have the shocks as limiters, i went with some long ranchos and the first wheelin trip spit it out the first time, i've got a tweeked system that flexes better than it needs(lotta droop). The rear coils are kinda short and without any retainers it'll come out. There's a white TJ from the Jeeps of East Texas thats spit 'em out, too.

WHY???

I spit mine too occasionally, I noticed that it only happens to me when my front swaybar is connected, that was an easy problem to solve. :D

btw, you can get coils to work! [/B][/QUOTE]

Your right you can get coils to work it's kind of a $$$ thing also cus we have two Jeeps to do instead of one. Once again I just like the whole durability issue less moving parts less to wear out etc...
I'm happy we did some tire stacking last night it actually droops about an 1" more than with coils so did I improve it ?
Hell I don't know it feels way better so fawk it I'm happy as a pig in shiot. I like the way it hooks up on the street nice squat and all I can only imagine what will happen on the trail. I hope to do a little offroad this weekend I'll let ya know how it turns out.

Originally posted by JEEP_TJ_FREAK
I spit mine too occasionally, I noticed that it only happens to me when my front swaybar is connected, that was an easy problem to solve. :D
swaybar free for three years:D

I'm happy we did some tire stacking last night it actually droops about an 1" more than with coils so did I improve it ?
if you want more droop, you can always add buggy springs in the future, easy and no re-enginering what you've already done.

Originally posted by onsafari


Better ride and handling.

Bullshit..the handling sux ass!

Better articulation [/QUOTE]

Bullshit too! The shorter arms limit your travel!

Easier to tune for driver preferences[/QUOTE]

And Bullshit on this too! WTF can you tune? If you want to adjust ride, you need to swap the entire spring...leafs--add or subtract leafs, add longer shackles, or even install a buggy leaf.

--SD

Originally posted by Cutter
if you want more droop, you can always add buggy springs in the future, easy and no re-enginering what you've already done.

I thought long and hard about some sort of trick shackle and or buggy leaf ended up with plain ole shackles. A little measuring and some serious guesstimating I ended up making them 5 1/2" center of bolt to bolt hole. Turns out like it's going to be just right. I did drill out the frame and weld in tube for the bushings I didn't want to hang the upper shackle mount on the bottom of the frame it would give me too much lift.
Of course maybe sometime in the distant future ...... hehehe.
Only issue I have now is I'm worried (being anal) about spinning a tube on the 8.8. I Stitch welded the tubes to the housing with some 7018 (made sure to pre heat a little bit)
I kind of wanted to weld the whole thing, but to be honest I was a skeert.
I'm not going to do it but I'm curious wrap bar with a buggy leaf drive okay?

Originally posted by Scout Dude


Bullshit..the handling sux ass!

Better articulation

Bullshit too! The shorter arms limit your travel!

Easier to tune for driver preferences[/QUOTE]

And Bullshit on this too! WTF can you tune? If you want to adjust ride, you need to swap the entire spring...leafs--add or subtract leafs, add longer shackles, or even install a buggy leaf.

--SD [/QUOTE]

I agree with you 100%. This guy seems to think he knows it all.

One second he says why destroy what he calls the best thing Jeep did in 20 years, then 3 posts later he says he came to the conclusion if you want to lift a TJ right you need to build a custom lift....

WTF...

Then it's "But anyway enough of this back and forth nonsence"

Seems to me it was him and his nonsense that kept going back and forth...

Fawkin A...maybe he should make his mind up...


:flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Scout Dude


[B]Better articulation

Bullshit too! The shorter arms limit your travel!


Where are you getting this information? I've ramped 1095 on a 23 degree ramp with my 4.5" RE short arm kit....Not impressive to many on the board, but hardly what I would call "limited".

That's really cool. Don't let anyone give you shit for doing it. Leaf springs rule. I would have leafs all around if they fit the geometry of the vehicle. I don't understand why people on this board are giving you crap for modifying the suspension of your vehicle. Anyone who has been around the offroad world for the last three years knows that TJ suspension geometry sucks, and this is a great way to remedy the situation. Good work.

I don't have a problem with it at all.... The TJ's do have some quirks about them, that's for sure.

Originally posted by GDGMOJO
I'm not going to do it but I'm curious wrap bar with a buggy leaf drive okay?

I will find out soon enough, mine is a daily driver as well.

Originally posted by GhettoRig
That's really cool. Don't let anyone give you shit for doing it. Leaf springs rule. I would have leafs all around if they fit the geometry of the vehicle. I don't understand why people on this board are giving you crap for modifying the suspension of your vehicle. Anyone who has been around the offroad world for the last three years knows that TJ suspension geometry sucks, and this is a great way to remedy the situation. Good work.


ok, a little to far..... the tj's suspension does damn good for what it is.... if you keep a mild lift and trim to fit the rest, it works pretty damned good..... i dont have many problems with mine at all, i just point it and go..... i would definately take a mild lifted tj over a yj any day, but ill take my own custom coilover both of those anyday!

you crazy bastard hahahaahah hey dude know anyone who wants a rear 9 ich mine is for sale no good gor me im the crazy one ahhahaah
oyyyyy vayyyyy!!!!!!!!!

I say it looks great. Took me about 40 hours of fabbing, re-fabbing etc... to get my custom triangulated long arm set up on the rear of my Tj and it still wants to lift that left front tire. Sure it flexes great and rides pretty nice but with the new motor (TPI SBC) it'll do the one tire wheelie going straight if I hammer it on dry pavement. I probably wont go to leafs in the future but If I started with leafs I'd stay with them for the reasons mentioned above.
Dave (Bet it get's some looks from some tj boys;)

Dang man, looks real good. Now all you have to do is convert the front to leafs! :) Just messin. I like it.. Are those 33's? Whatever they are, it looks like its time to step up in tire size...
Scott

Whatever floats your boat... More power to you.

I am completely satisfied with my TJ a short arm 4" 1" Body and 35s... but that is me.

I guess I just don't use the go pedal enough...Maybe I should.

Originally posted by tj7
you crazy bastard hahahaahah hey dude know anyone who wants a rear 9 ich mine is for sale no good gor me im the crazy one ahhahaah
oyyyyy vayyyyy!!!!!!!!!


Whats wrong with the 9"?
Hell you have only had it in there a week!!!!

Originally posted by badassjeepguy



ok, a little to far..... the tj's suspension does damn good for what it is.... if you keep a mild lift and trim to fit the rest, it works pretty damned good..... i dont have many problems with mine at all, i just point it and go..... i would definately take a mild lifted tj over a yj any day, but ill take my own custom coilover both of those anyday!

I agree with you the 2" and 3" range isn't all that bad only when you get into the 4+ area things get odd.
I have done this and seen it done a few times curious if you have also. When the front tires go over a ledge and then the rear tires get to it ever have the Jeep pop a huge wheelie?
I have seen a buddy of mine he got his rear stuck more or less against a ledge after the fronts cleared it.He gave it gas the tires hooked up and grabbed this caused the whole front end of the Jeep to come off the ground, like it was pivoting at the center line of the rear tires?
Of course the drivers side front came up first.
It's a lifted TJ thing I understand but don't care much for that.

Oh yea, I have AUTOCAD LT. :flipoff2: Great job. Round headlights and leaf springs rule.:)

All I'm gonna say is :D :D
GDGMOJO did the right thing and I'm not saying that because I've swapped to leafs, I'm saying that because he did what he wanted on his own rig.

The TJ guys who doubt and frown upon rear leafs just have no idea. At least not yet. ;)

For those of you who think he's taken the best engineered system and tossed it out the door, think of this: XJ's were coil front, SOA rear. Dodge trucks are coil front, SOA rear. I'm sure there's many more too. Does that make his TJ a dinasaur? Maybe, but it's a good handling dinasaur. Heh heh!

I just converted mine to SOA and just today, finished swapping out the hangers to YJ style instead of CJ style. I can honestly tell you that I have more travel now with leafs, than I did with coils. So much that I now run bump stops. Never did with coils and I used the shock to keep the coil in the bucket instead of on the ground. Well now, I bumpstop the uptravel and need limiting straps for the droop. It's all about getting the right leaf combo.

So besides wheel travel/articulation limitations, why not go to leafs? Or airbags, torsion bars or coilovers? Who cares what type of spring is used as long as the travel/articulation is maintained? The way I see it is, I have as much travel as a well setup coil sprung TJ without the headaches and hassles of links and track bars. Something else to consider. Coils have no resistance in them when compressing or drooping. Leafs do. That resistance is part of the reason why I don't lift that front tire or sag in the back when hitting a hill climb. I don't get the infamous right rear sag that a coil sprung TJ gets. I get a little, yes, but most Jeeps do reguardless of spring type.

So, why not leafs? Btw, my Jeep rides just as good, if not better with leafs than when I had the coil setup. Handling is much better but the ride quality didn't really change. Why? Money! Buy the right spring. My current rear springs are Alcans. National Spring can also build a quality set of leafs too. The Alcans cost $350 for a set of springs custom built, for my Jeep, to my specs. Try buying a set of coils built for your Jeep specifically and see what they cost. Maybe less, but not by much is my guess. :D

Oh! And my rear relocate trac bar bracket isn't broke because I don't have one and because of the SOA, I can move the rear axle back farther than a coil sprung rig without having clearance issues. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Brad Kilby
All I'm gonna say is :D :D
GDGMOJO did the right thing and I'm not saying that because I've swapped to leafs, I'm saying that because he did what he wanted on his own rig.

The TJ guys who doubt and frown upon rear leafs just have no idea. At least not yet. ;)

For those of you who think he's taken the best engineered system and tossed it out the door, think of this: XJ's were coil front, SOA rear. Dodge trucks are coil front, SOA rear. I'm sure there's many more too. Does that make his TJ a dinasaur? Maybe, but it's a good handling dinasaur. Heh heh!

I just converted mine to SOA and just today, finished swapping out the hangers to YJ style instead of CJ style. I can honestly tell you that I have more travel now with leafs, than I did with coils. So much that I now run bump stops. Never did with coils and I used the shock to keep the coil in the bucket instead of on the ground. Well now, I bumpstop the uptravel and need limiting straps for the droop. It's all about getting the right leaf combo.

So besides wheel travel/articulation limitations, why not go to leafs? Or airbags, torsion bars or coilovers? Who cares what type of spring is used as long as the travel/articulation is maintained? The way I see it is, I have as much travel as a well setup coil sprung TJ without the headaches and hassles of links and track bars. Something else to consider. Coils have no resistance in them when compressing or drooping. Leafs do. That resistance is part of the reason why I don't lift that front tire or sag in the back when hitting a hill climb. I don't get the infamous right rear sag that a coil sprung TJ gets. I get a little, yes, but most Jeeps do reguardless of spring type.

So, why not leafs? Btw, my Jeep rides just as good, if not better with leafs than when I had the coil setup. Handling is much better but the ride quality didn't really change. Why? Money! Buy the right spring. My current rear springs are Alcans. National Spring can also build a quality set of leafs too. The Alcans cost $350 for a set of springs custom built, for my Jeep, to my specs. Try buying a set of coils built for your Jeep specifically and see what they cost. Maybe less, but not by much is my guess. :D

Oh! And my rear relocate trac bar bracket isn't broke because I don't have one and because of the SOA, I can move the rear axle back farther than a coil sprung rig without having clearance issues. :flipoff2:

the first part ill agree,,,, he did what he wanted..

coils for coil overs are no more than 100$ a corner...


please tell me how, without lengthening the frame you can push the rear axle on leafsprung back EASIER than lets say a triangulated 4 link, with coilovers, and no trac bar?

$100 per corner maybe, but you still have to buy the expensive coil-over shock.

Btw, I never said moving a leaf sprung rearend back was easier than moving a 4 link back. But since you asked, cut the hangers off and weld them back on wherever you need them.

:rolleyes: note to newbies, it seems to me that you all dont understand why he changed from coil to leaf spring, and notice again that its the vetrans that know why and are not flaming him for doing it.

maybe you should lurk longer and you may realize why, instead of running your mouth

and remember, you don't learn anything when your runnin your mouth :flipoff2:

i really dont know what is wrong with you retards. Its the dudes jeep if he wants to lower it and slap on hydraulics then all the power to him. I ts his shit and he has to live with it.Personnally i think its cool as shit . How many guys told me that i was an idiot to fab a front end of a cj-7 onto my tj but i laughed at them its my shit and if you dont like it DON'T LOOK AT IT.
So leave this poor bastard alone already because you don;t want his wife to write ya....

Brad, I want to know how you can move your rear axle back farther than a coil sprung TJ without moving your gas tank out of the way?

I think it is a cool suspension setup if it works for him.

I am in the boat that says if you get too high (over 4" or so) with a TJ short arm, you are going to have some issues on and off road. I have seen left front tires lifted, right rear sag, front wheelhop, rear steer, etc. You might see some of these with leaves or long arms, but it is magnified with a short arm linked system (coils or coilovers or 1/4 elliptic or whatever).

I have a 3" Tera and it works well, but I have seen a slight degree of the problems listed above with my lift. I also have rear spring retainers on my RE 8.8 bracket kit.

And leaves can flex!

-Bart

Originally posted by onsafari
Brad, I want to know how you can move your rear axle back farther than a coil sprung TJ without moving your gas tank out of the way?

I got a whopping extra inch wheelbase can't go no futher:( at least on mine.
I suppose if you moved the tank up in the bed or elsewhere you could extened the frame a bit out back slap on shackle hangers and call it a day.

To digress a bit to other posts.
COIL vs LEAFS
Hell I don't know whats better I have seen lot's of no flex stiff as wedding dick leaf sprung rigs that can't wheel for shit.
I have also seen some wild coil/coilover, 3/4 ellip etc... setups that could drive over an rti ramp no prob but would get all panzy on the trail cus they flexed too much.
Now on the flip side I have seen both SOA and or coiled rigs do very nicely on a the trails. IMO TJ's with big lifts running stock length CA have issues, fixable but still issues.
I did some math adding up $$$ and considered the time factor involved in fixing both mine and my wifes TJ with some sort of 4 link or 5 link etc. After looking at the options the leafs won out for three reasons.
1. They flex just as much as the coiled setup did.
2. Basically eliminated the rear steer and left hand wheelie issue
3. They cost much less than buying all thats needed for a whole new link system. Hell I used free YJ and Toy springs.

So there you have it good or bad for my needs the leaf setup does all I want it to do.

One other issue I was going to bring up. I am having issues now with my 8.8 hitting my 4xD gas tank skid. The axle has the RE bracket kit and is rotated for an SYE. I could not make my wheelbase any longer without moving the tank.

-Bart

Originally posted by Brad Kilby

For those of you who think he's taken the best engineered system and tossed it out the door, think of this: XJ's were coil front, SOA rear. Dodge trucks are coil front, SOA rear. I'm sure there's many more too. Does that make his TJ a dinasaur? Maybe, but it's a good handling dinasaur. Heh heh!



So was anything ever coil rear and SOA front?

Wow - some panties got in a knot!

Nice job with the TJ - cool!

This should wind some up - I changed my XJ front coils to leafs :eek:

http://billyxj.tripod.com/leafsprings/leafs.htm

:rasta:

Originally posted by onsafari
Brad, I want to know how you can move your rear axle back farther than a coil sprung TJ without moving your gas tank out of the way?

Well, a rear axle with SUA will travel in a similar arc as the coil sprung TJ axle. When the axle is compressed upward, the tires will move up and back. I now run a SOA setup with a flat leaf. In this case, when the rear axle is compressed upward, the tire travels upward and forward. This keeps it away from the gas tank. Besides that, I have prototype skid on my Jeep that allows for a little more diff clearance. :D

Look what the hell are we all fighting about ,its his monster and he can do what ever he wants to do to it .As far as flex ,there is no way that anyone can tell me he or she can get more flex and travel out of leafs then coil overs with out doing serious work to the body or having a fuel cell ( on a tj). i have looked into stretching my wheelbase but at the same time i want to keep my backseat available and not to make it into a trail rig only i think its real cool to do what shelly did but we all know that putting leafs on a tj doesnt make it a tj-7. We all know what is a TJ-7 is.:smokin:

Originally posted by Brad Kilby
$100 per corner maybe, but you still have to buy the expensive coil-over shock.

Btw, I never said moving a leaf sprung rearend back was easier than moving a 4 link back. But since you asked, cut the hangers off and weld them back on wherever you, need them


this is your quote from a prior post


I can move the rear axle back farther than a coil sprung rig without having clearance issues.

sounds like you said it was easier to me.... the hangers off? and where are you gonna mount the rear shackles? in the air? you have to extend the frame to push the shackles back... yeahh you can do a little with offset springs... but all i got to do is make my links longer and cut some body... pretty simple...


that expensive coil over shock could be used on your leaf set up, and if you ever wanted to go coilover you would buy, the coilover conversion kit, and coils... those are awsome shocks to run even if you are not going coilover... .... even if i wasnt going coilover, those shocks would be on my to do list...


and as far as gas tanks..... :rolleyes: if its in the way move it to the bed! if you dont want to loose your seating, or cut fenders and such, stick with bolt on junk and wheel it the way it is... ( this was not directed to anyone, just my opinion, it was in the way so i moved the some biatch)

hey i have a question...what kind of leafs are you using???

Originally posted by brimy311
hey i have a question...what kind of leafs are you using???

Stock 5 leaf YJ rears with a mil wrap rear Toyota leaf.
Although it's only been a week they ride nice and flexed well when I stacked my wifes tire in the driveway :)

Originally posted by badassjeepguy


sounds like you said it was easier to me.... the hangers off? and where are you gonna mount the rear shackles? in the air? you have to extend the frame to push the shackles back... yeahh you can do a little with offset springs... but all i got to do is make my links longer and cut some body... pretty simple...
that expensive coil over shock could be used on your leaf set up, and if you ever wanted to go coilover you would buy, the coilover conversion kit, and coils... those are awsome shocks to run even if you are not going coilover... .... even if i wasnt going coilover, those shocks would be on my to do list...
and as far as gas tanks..... :rolleyes: if its in the way move it to the bed! if you dont want to loose your seating, or cut fenders and such, stick with bolt on junk and wheel it the way it is... ( this was not directed to anyone, just my opinion, it was in the way so i moved the some biatch)

Well, I'm sorry you misunderstood. When I said "I can move the rear axle back farther than a coil sprung rig without having clearance issues", it meant just that. Never said "easier" ;)

Now, did you also notice that I never said how far I moved the axle back?

Let me make my statement more clear. When comparing my Jeep to a TJ with coils, as long as the gas tank is still in the stock location and the frame hasn't been stretched, I can move my axle back farther than say, someone still running a short arm kit or even a long arm kit, without having a clearance issue with the gas tank. Now, if you want to get the tape measure out, measure it at ride height. A coil sprung TJ will need the axle to be forward in the wheel well to accomodate for the up/rear swing of the axle. I moved my axle (D60 mind you) back 1" and don't hit.

Since the axle was moved back only 1" (compared to where I had it before), the shackle issue isn't really an issue. They just angled back a little farther. I did't have to lengthen the frame or hang the shackles in the air. ;)

I agree that those expensive shocks can be used with or without leafs. Never said they couldn't. Matter of fact, I might be putting some on my rig one day. I won't be adding the coil feature though.

Sorry, can't move the gas tank to the bed. Well, I guess I could but I'd have to make a cage under the Jeep where the gas tank is now, to hold the kids when wheeling. :D

Well anyhow BAJG, quit picking on me. You might hurt my feelings. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Brad Kilby


Well, I'm sorry you misunderstood. When I said "I can move the rear axle back farther than a coil sprung rig without having clearance issues", it meant just that. Never said "easier" ;)

Now, did you also notice that I never said how far I moved the axle back?

Let me make my statement more clear. When comparing my Jeep to a TJ with coils, as long as the gas tank is still in the stock location and the frame hasn't been stretched, I can move my axle back farther than say, someone still running a short arm kit or even a long arm kit, without having a clearance issue with the gas tank. Now, if you want to get the tape measure out, measure it at ride height. A coil sprung TJ will need the axle to be forward in the wheel well to accomodate for the up/rear swing of the axle. I moved my axle (D60 mind you) back 1" and don't hit.

Since the axle was moved back only 1" (compared to where I had it before), the shackle issue isn't really an issue. They just angled back a little farther. I did't have to lengthen the frame or hang the shackles in the air. ;)

I agree that those expensive shocks can be used with or without leafs. Never said they couldn't. Matter of fact, I might be putting some on my rig one day. I won't be adding the coil feature though.

Sorry, can't move the gas tank to the bed. Well, I guess I could but I'd have to make a cage under the Jeep where the gas tank is now, to hold the kids when wheeling. :D

Well anyhow BAJG, quit picking on me. You might hurt my feelings. :flipoff2:


ahhh much mopre clear now..... lol btw one of my previous posts state somethng along the line of its your rig, you do what you want....in the world of custom, its only wrong if you , meaning the owner/ guy, dont like the outcome... nobody else really matters...

MY.... thing is i will modify it how ever i see fit...and i saw fit to loose the rear seat the day i bought it... :D now the tank is there.. :D all the room i need under there now... :D

its nice to know im not the only one hacking brand new vehicles apart! :eek: :D

ok so im not a tj owner but iv driven them and i realy dont like the way thay wheel it dosent feel soliad and iv felt safer in zukis i can see why some one would do such a thin ya get a new rig with cheep old tech that ya can get and fix aney where i do half to ask tho what happens when ya break a coial i have broken leafs and ya limp out but what about a coial

I don't get the infamous right rear sag that a coil sprung TJ gets. I get a little, yes, but most Jeeps do reguardless of spring type.


Okay Brad here is one for you when test fitting the springs I noticed that the passenger side spring was flexed just hair more than the drivers side?
So I check everything, perch, shackle posistion etc actually the pass side shackle is about 3 deg farther forward than the drivers? So I think maybe I got a spring pack mixed up becuase I had 2 sets, So I swap out to another spring same result still sagging a little more.
"OKAY FINE" I say, so I swap leafs side to side and guess what same thing pass side sags?????
One last thought, perhaps my front drivers side coil is just stouter than the pass side and is pushing the rear corner down more?
So I take out the sping isolater and leave in the spacer that takes about 3/4" of spacer out of there, THE SPRINGS STILL ARE NOT EVEN!!!!
So my conclusion is that somehow the Jeep is wieght bias to the pass side or my frame is bent any other ideas? The silver lining is when I sit my fat ass in the drivers seat the Jeep sits level. I guess it's some sort or zen thing or silly crap like that.

Well, it's hard to say without seeing the rig in person but it could be your front springs causing this. I know on my rig, my PS front coil is collapsed more than the DS is. I usually swap them around when I work on the front and it sits the Jeep level again. Also, my Jeep seems heavier on the passenger side. Dunno why really.

When you flex the rear springs upward, does the front spring clamp hit the bottom of the frame? Mine was hitting pretty good so I cut them down and re-drilled the holes for the bolt. I think I moved them down 1/2". Well, they were still hitting after that but with me moving the spring pack back that one inch allowed for more clearance. I don't know if that solved the hitting problem yet or not but I think it will. Anyhow, check those clamps on yours. Different spring packs can have different height clamps.

http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/misc/dynatrac/springs2_14.jpg

Originally posted by Brad Kilby
Well, it's hard to say without seeing the rig in person but it could be your front springs causing this. I know on my rig, my PS front coil is collapsed more than the DS is. I usually swap them around when I work on the front and it sits the Jeep level again. Also, my Jeep seems heavier on the passenger side. Dunno why really.

When you flex the rear springs upward, does the front spring clamp hit the bottom of the frame? Mine was hitting pretty good so I cut them down and re-drilled the holes for the bolt. I think I moved them down 1/2". Well, they were still hitting after that but with me moving the spring pack back that one inch allowed for more clearance. I don't know if that solved the hitting problem yet or not but I think it will. Anyhow, check those clamps on yours. Different spring packs can have different height clamps.

http://www.kilbyenterprises.com/misc/dynatrac/springs2_14.jpg


I have stock springs so the factory clamps don't extend up much I did bend them a bit to lossen things up.
I got the wrap bar done yesterday some new pics
http://community.webshots.com/album/29128196ERRVqgQEYS

Also finally got around to flipping the Tie rod and drag link using the inserts I had made check this.
http://community.webshots.com/album/30037876ttBhukjnLv

Feels really goo not near as much correcting driving down the road. It really knocked the angles down.

Yeah, your clamps are farther back than mine are. Pics look good! Those tie rod end inserts you had made, what size are they? Better yet, send me an email with the answer. :)

Good work GDGMOJO....I've got a 99TJ with the 6" longarms and all...I know all the reasons why you did what you did. Now if you do the same to the fronts you may see even more "improvement".

Brad---Some day when I get the urge....maybe when the TJ gets paid off...I may throw on a 4" lift leaf UNDER....both ends. Kinda funny how things go around in circles. I remember when you first did your leaf conversion....I knew exactly why you did it....all I could do was smile :)

Originally posted by ZUK
Brad---Some day when I get the urge....maybe when the TJ gets paid off...I may throw on a 4" lift leaf UNDER....both ends. Kinda funny how things go around in circles. I remember when you first did your leaf conversion....I knew exactly why you did it....all I could do was smile :)

I have no problem with the guy putting leaves in the back, but the post about putting them up front too?? WTF? I just don't get it.

And you wanting to go spring under with a TJ?? That makes no sense whatsoever. Talk about 5 steps back. All that work and effort to have a rig that will will flex (Not) like a YJ. I had a YJ with 3.5" Superlift springs, and I bet I'd be lucky to get more than 15" up a ramp. Happily I saved myself the embarrassment of never ramping it.
You want spring under that bad, sell the TJ, and buy a YJ and slap some lift springs under it. Then pocket the remainding profit from the TJ, instead of wasting good money and effort on turning a TJ into a YJ with a gay interior. :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Welby


I have no problem with the guy putting leaves in the back, but the post about putting them up front too?? WTF? I just don't get it.

And you wanting to go spring under with a TJ?? That makes no sense whatsoever. Talk about 5 steps back. All that work and effort to have a rig that will will flex (Not) like a YJ. I had a YJ with 3.5" Superlift springs, and I bet I'd be lucky to get more than 15" up a ramp. Happily I saved myself the embarrassment of never ramping it.
You want spring under that bad, sell the TJ, and buy a YJ and slap some lift springs under it. Then pocket the remainding profit from the TJ, instead of wasting good money and effort on turning a TJ into a YJ with a gay interior. :flipoff2:

I kind of agree with the SUA thing lot's of arch to get a decent amount of lift and then they don't wanna flex to much.
So far I have crossed up the SOA setup and am really happy with it. It won't stuff as much about 1" less but it's drooping more.
Now I really like the front coil setup on the TJ it has never really given me and troubles plan is to keep it as is for a long while ;-)

Originally posted by BillaVista
Wow - some panties got in a knot!

Nice job with the TJ - cool!

This should wind some up - I changed my XJ front coils to leafs :eek:

http://billyxj.tripod.com/leafsprings/leafs.htm

:rasta:
your a strange man, Bill....oh wait, your just canadian! :flipoff2: Good job!

Originally posted by ZUK

Brad---Some day when I get the urge....maybe when the TJ gets paid off...I may throw on a 4" lift leaf UNDER....both ends. Kinda funny how things go around in circles. I remember when you first did your leaf conversion....I knew exactly why you did it....all I could do was smile :)

Heh heh! You know what's funny? When I did that conversion, it was just before the Cal4Wheel convention two years ago. The conversion got done and I announced it to the Jeep-L just before I left for the convention for a couple of days. I knew I was gonna stir the pot big time and when I came back, it was all over the net. I had so many people slamming me for being stupid, "dinasaur technology", "what was I thinking" and what not. All I could do is laugh! Haha! I even stood back and watched people look my rig over at the show and listened to the comments. It was pretty funny! They just didn't get it.

Here it is, two years later and there's still folks that doubt the reasoning behind the conversion. That's ok though. I didn't do it to amuse them, I did it for me. The guys with good working leafs understand, the guys with coils that have no leaf experience just don't. :D

Some day, I might just put leafs in the front too. I'd really like to try coil-overs first but I'm really getting tired of all the monkey bars under the Jeep. Only time will tell. Btw, nothing wrong with SUA as long as the springs are made to work. Many will buck that idea but they only buck what they don't know. :D

Welby, SUA front and back can work just fine if you buy the right stuff. It may or may not flex like a slinky on steroids but not everyone is looking for the almighty ramp scores. Just because you ran a SUA rig before doesn't mean you made the right choices. Superlift is the last brand in springs I'd buy but that's my personal opinion. Try spending the money on custom stuff.
Btw, don't know about other TJ owners but I own mine outright. I've owned it free and clear since '97. Why would I sell it to get a YJ, just so I can mod it the same as what I have now? That doesn't make sense now does it? All I'm saying is, your reasoning is right to an extent but not everyone wants a YJ. At the same time, not everyone wants a TJ. Build what you own is my thinking. Oh, and if you don't like the TJ "gay" interior, keep your dinasaur Jeep and mod it with coils. That way, you can mod your Jeep to flex like the "gay" Jeep without the dash. Flexing like a "gay" is ok, right?? :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Brad Kilby


Welby, SUA front and back can work just fine if you buy the right stuff. It may or may not flex like a slinky on steroids but not everyone is looking for the almighty ramp scores. Just because you ran a SUA rig before doesn't mean you made the right choices. Superlift is the last brand in springs I'd buy but that's my personal opinion. Try spending the money on custom stuff.
Btw, don't know about other TJ owners but I own mine outright. I've owned it free and clear since '97. Why would I sell it to get a YJ, just so I can mod it the same as what I have now? That doesn't make sense now does it? All I'm saying is, your reasoning is right to an extent but not everyone wants a YJ. At the same time, not everyone wants a TJ. Build what you own is my thinking. Oh, and if you don't like the TJ "gay" interior, keep your dinasaur Jeep and mod it with coils. That way, you can mod your Jeep to flex like the "gay" Jeep without the dash. Flexing like a "gay" is ok, right?? :flipoff2: :rolleyes:

I know my choice of springs was a poor one, but I still just don't get it... We'll leave it at that. It's true though, whatever makes you happy :D
BTW: I own a TJ now, and yes I still think the interior is :rainbow:.... But I do love having dash vents to de-thaw my face :D

Originally posted by Welby


I know my choice of springs was a poor one, but I still just don't get it... We'll leave it at that. It's true though, whatever makes you happy :D
BTW: I own a TJ now, and yes I still think the interior is :rainbow:.... But I do love having dash vents to de-thaw my face :D

Okay flame away but I like the TJ interior gay or not.
After my last rig it's just nice to not to get wet and have heat ;).
We take lot's of long 5+ hour trips to go wheel and by far it's the most comfortable jeep interior I have been in. ( I'm talking Wrangler here no GC or anything like that)
I'm gunna get it for saying this but having it semi nice inside was one of the reasons I bought a TJ instead of a YJ.
So there I admit it I'm a recovering owner of a vehicle with no heat no windows hell no roof even :) I like my TJ and like it much better with LEAF SPRINGS IN THE BACK YEHAAAAA....
It works way better than those short high angle stubby, how did Brad put it "MONKEY BARS"

Originally posted by Welby

I know my choice of springs was a poor one, but I still just don't get it... We'll leave it at that. It's true though, whatever makes you happy :D
BTW: I own a TJ now, and yes I still think the interior is :rainbow:.... But I do love having dash vents to de-thaw my face :D

Haha! Ok then. I guess you can make fun of the TJ's dash since ya own one. :D A de-thawed face is a good thing. Don't blame ya for wanting the dash vents. :)

86 Toy Rear Housing modified for the 96 Cruiser 3rd with Electronic Locker
http://www.mystikalzworld.com/bighorn4x4_forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=293&pid=1192

Stock YJ Springs SOA
http://www.mystikalzworld.com/bighorn4x4_forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=293&pid=1191

Should be finished in a few days.
Friggin job keeps cutting into the wrenchin' time:mad:
Cord

Originally posted by cord318
86 Toy Rear Housing modified for the 96 Cruiser 3rd with Electronic Locker
http://www.mystikalzworld.com/bighorn4x4_forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=293&pid=1192

Stock YJ Springs SOA
http://www.mystikalzworld.com/bighorn4x4_forum/viewthread.php?action=attachment&tid=293&pid=1191

Should be finished in a few days.
Friggin job keeps cutting into the wrenchin' time:mad:
Cord

Awesome dude your the only one I know of using a Toy rear like that ,way cool to forge a new path.
How much did the axle with the elec locker and all cost you?

My buddy (toy guy) had the extra housing laying around (free to me). The machine work cost 30 bucks. The 3rd with the locker I scored in perfect shape for $250!! Plus $75 shipping. Still not bad.

Originally posted by cord318
My buddy (toy guy) had the extra housing laying around (free to me). The machine work cost 30 bucks. The 3rd with the locker I scored in perfect shape for $250!! Plus $75 shipping. Still not bad.

Dude that rocks a way stronger axle with locker for under 5 bills.
You are the man.

I dunno about way stronger....i had the D44.

Originally posted by cord318
I dunno about way stronger....i had the D44.

Yep a TJ 44 the Toy axle has 31 spline shafts right?

You should compare the stats I'd bet the new unit is better over all.

DAMN THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING ON AY WOW HAHAHHAHAH!
WHATS UP THERE SHELLY TELL DONNA I SAY HEY AND WHEN ARE WE GOING WHEELIN DUDE...

Originally posted by tj7
DAMN THIS THREAD IS STILL GOING ON AY WOW HAHAHHAHAH!
WHATS UP THERE SHELLY TELL DONNA I SAY HEY AND WHEN ARE WE GOING WHEELIN DUDE...

We have been wheeling dude at least a little.
Both Jeeps have been flexed and beaten enough that I feel comfortable with hitting some hard stuff.
We were supposed to go to Tellico Saturday and hook up with Watts but his 9" took a dump :(
To add to the topic the leafs work great I'm, much happier with the trail perfromance. Both rigs feel much more stable and they climb better no more wheelies:) the leafs seem to really make the front tires bite better, we should have done it a long time ago coils up front leafs out back really balance out the suspension it made all the work worth it.

DUDE THAT IS FAWKIN AWESOME NOW ALL YOU NEED ARE SOME REAL TIRES AND YOULL BE IN BUSINESS AHAHAAHAHA! JUST JOKING WITH YA WATTS 9" CRAPPED OUT WHAT HAPPENED THE PINION IS WAY TO LOW ON A BIG LIFT MAN.....WELL I HOPE TO WHEEL SOON WITH YA GUYS MY SHIT IS STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION...WHAT CAN I TELL YA YOU KNOW US CANUCKS WE WANT IT ALL.....

Originally posted by Cutter
i've spit the right rear coil out twice wheelin...i should be going to leaves in Feb. for many of the same reasons already stated...

This is easily fixed with some small u-bolts. Or you can pay out the a$$ for currie's coil spring retainer/bumpstop.

PICS: http://community.webshots.com/album/35529781uxAEBH

To Do List:
Install 2" Longer driveline
Make rear shock hoop
Mount rear shocks
Wire or Cable actuate the locker
Flex test
Make bumpstops
Get and Install 4.5" Front Coils

Overall it went well and I'm thrilled. Ride is better than coils so far. Shocks will help. WAAAYYY too soft now!
Cheers,
Cord:D

Originally posted by cord318
PICS: http://community.webshots.com/album/35529781uxAEBH

To Do List:
Install 2" Longer driveline
Make rear shock hoop
Mount rear shocks
Wire or Cable actuate the locker
Flex test
Make bumpstops
Get and Install 4.5" Front Coils

Overall it went well and I'm thrilled. Ride is better than coils so far. Shocks will help. WAAAYYY too soft now!
Cheers,
Cord:D


Wrap bar dude before you do any wheeling or you will pretzel those springs.
Looks neat glad to another joining the dark side :)

Volunteering?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by cord318
Volunteering?:flipoff2:

No biggie dude DOM tube seems to work best but 3/16" wall or larger square will do the trick as well.
If you do the search you will find that many folks run those 7 leaf HD YJ packs from JC Whitney they say they have alot of success with em.
I have a few pics of our wrap bar setup on the webshots
http://community.webshots.com/album/29128196ERRVqgQEYS
There are a gagillion others running basically the same thing lot's of pictures to get ideas from.
Dealing with a broken spring on the trail is a big PITA I hoe you have never had to ot have to deal with it.

A rambling .02 about double standards we harbor and sometimes we dont even recognize it.


Originally posted by tj7
Look what the hell are we all fighting about ,its his monster and he can do what ever he wants to do to it ..............

I agree.. but ahhhhh let's remember that next time when we start throwing :rainbow: at other people for doing things u would consider dumb. No... im not pointing at tj7 or anyone in particular... just seizeing an opportunity to educate.

call it :rainbow: alone.... as in its different thats fine.. but call it :rainbow: as a term to trash the vehicle or owner then ur holding double standards if you are also one to say. "its his monster to fawk with".

hahahahahaha i have never seen so many :rainbow: 's in one place well no thats a lie maybe i saw more at the hairdresser where i get my hair cut.....:p but what are you telling me by saying
" let him fuck with it" well what do you think he is really doin..
lying on the ground uses his strenght and adrenalin his love and technique hmmmmmmmm! to me that looks like he's fuckin it.

SHELLY YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND YOU DONT HAVE TO ANSWER TO ANYONE.....

blah

Originally posted by YJ4LIFE
blah

HUH?

Anyone have a TJ on leaf springs on all 4 corners? I'm thinking doing it until I can get to the links and stuff for coils. I'd do it just to be different and see how I like wheelin' with leaf springs. :D

This outta be fun to bring this to the top again. :D

Try it, but I doubt it would work unless you were willing to get your springs farther outboard. The steering box is in the way.
Scott

Hmm I thought the steering box was in relatively the same place as a YJ?

Steering boxes can always be moved. :D

well if ur that bored and got nothing better to do then come on over here and help me rebuild my new dailydriver. (right now its a daily parker) and finish my TJ so I can sell it.

Originally posted by coachgeo
well if ur that bored and got nothing better to do then come on over here and help me rebuild my new dailydriver. (right now its a daily parker) and finish my TJ so I can sell it.

Now why would I do a thing like that? :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Jason R
Hmm I thought the steering box was in relatively the same place as a YJ?

Steering boxes can always be moved. :D
You'd think wouldn't ya? Ive talked to Brad Kilby an awful lot about going to leafs in the front of his TJ, and if I remember right, it was the steering box that was making things difficult, so he didn't want to move it. At least I think thats what it was.. I can ask him tommorow. He's researched this for his TJ.
Scott

Originally posted by 1badPOS

You'd think wouldn't ya? Ive talked to Brad Kilby an awful lot about going to leafs in the front of his TJ, and if I remember right, it was the steering box that was making things difficult, so he didn't want to move it. At least I think thats what it was.. I can ask him tommorow. He's researched this for his TJ.
Scott

If its not a hassle that will be cool. I'm just toying around with some ideas right now ya know. :D

Jason, I just talked to Brad and he mentioned that as far as he could tell, all that would REALLY be needed would be moving of the steering box on the frame, and mounting up some YJ hangers.. Everything else should be close enough to the same.
Scott

Thanks for the info bud. 'preciate it. :D

Hey no sweat. Id love to see a TJ with leafs all the way around :)
Scott