Who's run 'em both? Anyone? I've been running the Platinums since they came out on a 6000 pound Scout II. I now run a Suzuki Sidekick, so this really isn't a thang, but I just want to know. Who's the fastest(loaded)?

HS9500 SPECS:

Line Pull
Lbs.(Kgs.)..................................Ft./min.

0................................................6 2(WARN)...35.4(RAMSEY)
2000(910)
4000(1810)
6000(2720)
8000(3630)
9500(4310)................................6.67(WAR N)....7.8 (RAMSEY)

Basically, the no load winch speed is twice as fast for the warn. Which is a big deal when your crawlin and winchin.

I have the HS9500 and swear buy it.

The new Ramseys are MUCH better than the old ones though.

Thats all I know.

:beer:

I have to agree with you on the New Ramseys being better. I have ran Warn winches for 6 years until they came out with the Platinums. Shortly after that they came out with the 9500HD. I just always feel like you are buying more name than winch with Warn. What do HD's go for these days?

Originally posted by twistedscout
I have to agree with you on the New Ramseys being better. I have ran Warn winches for 6 years until they came out with the Platinums. Shortly after that they came out with the 9500HD. I just always feel like you are buying more name than winch with Warn. What do HD's go for these days?

Not sure if you ment 9500HD and that is a new Warn winch I have not heard about or you ment HS9500I If the latter, they go for around $720-750. I got mine at SixStates a year ago for $719

Edit, cuz I forgot something

And to answer the question, here is a tech page covering most winches from the top makers.
http://home.gci.net/~bronco78/tech.htm

8274 nuff said

Originally posted by 85 rocrnr
8274 nuff said

well actually you forgot big and clunky :D not exactly a zuk sized winch.



i have a hs9500 and like it just fine.

Plus Camo and I used both our hs9500I's to pull my no wheel drive 4runner 2/3 of the way up wrecking ball and the laughed:D

I used to run a ramsy and will never go back:barf:

Nice strong frame on the Ramesy!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

A real hydraulic winch (not a Milemarker) is probably the fastest winch loaded.

Originally posted by Old Scout
Nice strong frame on the Ramesy!
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So...did you get the house pulled down? :D

8274, 8274, 8274
Nothing is better in my opinion.
I got one on the front of my wives little 1982 FULL size Bronco. Works great.
Yes it's big, but it is worth its weight in gold when you need it.
I have watched people with other winches. I will always go 8274...
Ritch

my .02 about the 9500hs that I don't like, when you let off the switch, the thing coasts in and out which ever way you are going at the moment. I can see how some unsuspecting user could get their hand wrapped up in that.

How is a 8274-50 better than an HS9500i they have the same motor and close to the same gear ratio but the HS9500i has planetarys instead of spur gears. there is nothing wrong with planetaries, and the 9500 is lighter and smaller. It is cheaper too. So why are there so many 8274 die hards?

Originally posted by Brent Orton
my .02 about the 9500hs that I don't like, when you let off the switch, the thing coasts in and out which ever way you are going at the moment. I can see how some unsuspecting user could get their hand wrapped up in that.

If the user is unsuspecting, that means he has no biz using the winch.. If your not smart enough to learn how to use a tool, you really should leave it in the shop.

Originally posted by Gordon
How is a 8274-50 better than an HS9500i they have the same motor and close to the same gear ratio but the HS9500i has planetarys instead of spur gears. there is nothing wrong with planetaries, and the 9500 is lighter and smaller. It is cheaper too. So why are there so many 8274 die hards?

Well for one thing, it will run cooler than the HS9500I can ever dream of.

You can spool the entire length of cable in with out worrying about binding it up on the drum.. The 8274 has much more room on the drum, so less need to stop severl times durring the winch pull to respool cable.

Both of those being said, I still have not traded back to my 8274, I'm using a HS9500 I, now ith there was a 10,000 rated upright, 8274 type winch, I'd be there in a sec.

Good points Bronco 78. but why does the HS9500 run hotter?

Originally posted by Gordon
How is a 8274-50 better than an HS9500i they have the same motor and close to the same gear ratio but the HS9500i has planetarys instead of spur gears. there is nothing wrong with planetaries, and the 9500 is lighter and smaller. It is cheaper too. So why are there so many 8274 die hards?

The 8274-50 is a power pig as well. It uses a bunch more amps to do the same job as a HS9500

Not a big 8274 fan. I was just waiting for you fanatics to start screaming about them. I have seen enough used to not care much for them, plus don't like all the hype Warn puts on them. Sell a few then discontinue the line for a year or so to keep costs up. So the 8274 is out of the picture. I want to know about pros and cons versus the Platinum 9500 and the Warn HS9500i. I did notice the poor frame structure(or lack of) on my ramseys. I noticed this as well on my older Warns. I really dislike the wiring job they did on the Ramsey, too. The remote to solenoid connection is always failing. I finally just started hardwiring the remotes to the winches(I have put them on others' trucks as well). Don't like the idea of a lack of a load brake, or does it just take a bit for the spool to stop churning?

I agree with Brent! I have the hs9500i and that is the ONLY thing that I do not like about it. It is VERY fast and stong.

Originally posted by twistedscout
I really dislike the wiring job they did on the Ramsey, too. The remote to solenoid connection is always failing. I finally just started hardwiring the remotes to the winches(I have put them on others' trucks as well). Don't like the idea of a lack of a load brake, or does it just take a bit for the spool to stop churning?

Try doing both, hard wire a in cab switch for normal use, then save the remote for the special need, or back up. This is what I do.. 95% of my winching is done with the in cab switch. If I'm recovering somebody else, I'll bump the RPMs up with the hand throttle, plug in the remote and work the winch from out side the vehicle.

The HS9500I has a load brake, that is not the issue. Due to the gearing and speed at which the winch runs (Fast, damn fast) it will continue to spool, or unspool cable after you let off the switch (this is unloaded, loaded, it is not an issue) Unloaded, the cable will move up to 14 ft (on my and a few friends winches) after releasing the switch... Not a big deal, if you know your equipment. And if you dont............stay on the porch with the rest of the kids...

When I say hard wiring is necessary, I mean the prongs in the remote won't even make contact with each other so the remote becomes useless. Just a small, annoying, pain in the ass. And I'm hardly new to "my equipment," just the new Warn.

Originally posted by bronco78


.. Not a big deal, if you know your equipment. And if you dont............stay on the porch with the rest of the kids...

Was a general statement,not directed at any one in this thread.

When I say hard wiring is necessary, I mean the prongs in the remote won't even make contact with each other so the remote becomes useless. Just a small, annoying, pain in the ass. And I'm hardly new to "my equipment," just the new Warn.

See above and Oh, so you hard wired a switch because the male plug on the winch was useless..... Got it, Man that would suck.

I like my Warn 9500i. It's gotten me back to civilization a couple times, once under 1 wheel drive power.

Suck? OH yeah! Imagine hanging off a 14 foot vertical waterfall half frozen. You're half way up-and the winch quits. You know what it is right away, so you crawl out of the truck, up the hood which is covered in snow and ice, wiggle the remote and slide back into the driver's seat. You hit the remote and inch up another foot and it quits again! So you climb back up, pry open some prongs with a knife blade, and they break off! Smile.
It was kinda fun, though.

Originally posted by twistedscout
Sell a few then discontinue the line for a year or so to keep costs up.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Gordon
How is a 8274-50 better than an HS9500i they have the same motor and close to the same gear ratio but the HS9500i has planetarys instead of spur gears. there is nothing wrong with planetaries, and the 9500 is lighter and smaller. It is cheaper too. So why are there so many 8274 die hards?

OK...

1. Spur gears are more effecient than planetaries (by about 15%)

2. The 8274 has a larger drum and a better drum pin to wire rope ratio (ie it holds more rope and does not bend it all to hell). Also the drum is the correct width for the fairlead.

3. The 8274 does not have a brake in the drum to melt your plasma rope.

4. The 8274 is easier to service.

5. The 8274 at no load is the fastest winch hands down. This allows two things, you can winch and drive at the same time with less chance of running over your rope, and you do not spend much time respooling when you are done.

6. The 8274 is more robust than a planetary winch in most every respect, bigger gears, brake, mounting hardware, and a better wire rope attachment.

7. The 8274 is narrow enough that it can be mounted between the frame rails on some vehicles which lowers its profile as well as allow the winch to pull inline with the frame.

Yes it weighs a little more, and is a little taller, but you will not find a better winch for hardcore use.

Yes,the 8274 is released in cycles to keep the demand high, therfore there is no need to reduce prices to make sales. I don't know if that is the way it is now, but two years ago I was up there feeling out a job with Warn and that was the story I was given. Whether or not I am supposed to repeat that, I am not sure. But, what do I know? I am not trying to bad mouth them at all, just explaining a situation the way I understand it. It may be smart marketing, but I feel it is bunk.