Gun control - for it or against it? why? do you believe its one of the steps to supressing one's rights as stated by the bill of right? or do you think the 2nd ammendment is misintepreted and should not be valid anymore?

post your thoughts..

I'm all for elimination of hand guns. But that will never happen here.

fawk it... get rid of the handguns if ya want. I prefer a rifle any day over a pistol... plus I'm a hell of a better shot with a rifle. If it gets to the point where I'm scared to go out without a gun, fawk having concealed pistol... AK47 over the shoulder and I'm good. Thatd be a mighty fine deterant as well

I thought that said *va nay nay* :laughing: :roxy:

NAY!!!


Fawking hippies :shaking:

I thought that said *va nay nay* :laughing: :roxy:

I am TOTALLY against banning these too! :p

hell no. the bottom line is, criminals will get guns, good citizens wont have any.

I'm all about gun control. Be sure to use both hands.

peaple where killing peaple well before the gun .
guns are a tool that may be used to harm or for recreation and defence of one's life.
to outlaw guns would give a criminal all he needed to go about his job in a safe work place.
guns are here to stay outlawed or not. there are just to many out there now.

the asault weapons ban sunsets in under 70 days thats one for the gun !

i am for no gun controll.

if they outlawed handguns it`d just be another excuse to shoot trespassers with my sks instead.

I think government control should be the issue...It's my born right to posese a firearm,and nobody can change that,they don't have the authority to.

I'm anti gun control, pro criminal control.

I think that Vermont's lack of gun control laws is one of the reasons for such a low crime rate.
It's fairly easy:

Every farmer has guns. Lots of them.
Many people here hunt and own guns.
If you break into the house- you WILL be shot.

There is a much better chance of people owning weapons here than not.
Most cirminals do not want to take that chance.

I would be in favor of very strict regulations for fully automatics, but that does not mean the banning of them altogether.

For the record, I am a mean shot with my red ryder, but do not own any firearms. I do still support people's rights to have them.

I'm all about gun control. Be sure to use both hands.

Agreed. My preferred method of gun control is a modified Weaver stance.

40 Reasons to Support Gun Control (http://www.attrition.org/technical/firearms/40_gun_control.html)

Those hoping for a ban on handguns should visit the lovely, safe, "handgun-free" neighborhoods of south Chicago for a wakeup call. Living there is what solidified my viewpoint.

I think we have enough laws about guns. I think that banning them is wrong, just make sure who owns them knows how to use them and properly store them.

Show me an example were gun control was effective at doing ANYTHING.

I think every responsible adult should have one on or about their person most of the time.

Look at areas (West Virginia), where gun ownership is the highest and see what the crime rates are.

do you believe its one of the steps to supressing one's rights as stated by the bill of right?

Not so much one of the steps, as it is THE step. There is only one thing that truly stands between a gov't abusing it's power in an unjust manner and that is an armed citizenry. Not the courts, not the law, not elections, not representatives. They should keep it to the point where the people don't need to rise up, but the people will always be the last line.

Even if (and it doesn't) gun control made things safer, it wouldn't be worth it. Period.

The unarmed man is at the whim of those who would take advantage, and is only safe by their mercy and/or protection. The armed man is the master of his own destiny and can't be forced to do anything without his permission.

We have gun control here and I wont go into how ineffective and how much money it has wasted the taxpayer, just know that a guy opened fire in Ottawa yesterday with what the radio called "an automatic rifle", I dont think he cared if it was black market or registered.....

I believe I should have the right to have a freakin rocket launcher, Abrams tank, or any other weapon.

I think the only time I should have a legal problem is the second I try to use those weapons against someone, AND if I am caught using those weapsons against someone I should be prosecuted with the FULL force of the law.

I'll go down shoot'n before I give mine up.

Moral arguments aside, no gun control law enacted in the U.S. has had an impact on gun-related crime (and there are over 20,000 on the books). O for 20,000 isn't exactly a glowing history. O for 20,001 doesn't sound any better, so "no" on gun control.


TEX

The problem is we need harsher penalties and better enforcement of existing laws. Allow this bit of info from a friend who is a transport officer to hopefully disgust you-

Currently there is someone serving 20 years for growing weed. His cell-mate is serving 8 years for shooting his girlfriend. :shaking:

Gun control will do nothing. Criminals dont buy weapons at sporting goods stores. If Criminal X knew he would get 30 years+ for using his weapon... and i mean a MINIMUM of 30 years+.... then maybe Criminal X wouldnt be so ready to use his weapon...

Gun control - for it or against it?
post your thoughts..

I think you're a fawking troll.

I'm all about gun control.
Steady breathing, firm grip, both eyes open, careful, smooth, controlled trigger pull, crisp mental focus, and matching the weapon to your skills and abilities, so that your chance of hitting exactly what you are aiming for are maximized, and so you have the best chance for a quick, clean follow-up shot.

The process begins, not with a firearm, but with your mind. Rigorous training can bring you to a state of commanded calm, control, and clarity. Having the proper mental framework is crucial to mastering the Dao of Deadly Force.

Gun control is hitting what you aim at. :D

both eyes open.

Even with a scope?

Do people honestly think that a CRIMINAL will obey a handgun ban? Shame to be that stupid.

Even with a scope?

Absolutely. Proper training allows you to focus on the scope-eye, to place your shot, and the other eye to monitor the flow around you. I do have to do an eye-blink with my left eye, to switch to my right eye, when shoting a rifle - I've got a left master eye. With a pistol, I just use my left eye for the sights or scope (yeah, I have 2 or 3 scoped pistols).

Only those that are the most out of touch with reality who live in insular bubbles protecting them from the real world could even begin to appreciate the arguments for gun control.

Only those that are the most out of touch with reality who live in insular bubbles protecting them from the real world could even begin to appreciate the arguments for gun control.

I didn't think they allowed guns in the bubble? :confused:

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

'Nuff said. Our forefathers knew what they were doing. If you want to get rid of guns and yet another freedom...MOVE!

No gun control at all, period. It's a complete waste of the taxpayer's money for something that has zero effect anyways. For those who think banning handguns would do any good, get a grip on reality. You know the anti-gun movement would push that idea to the very limit and include anything/everything along with it. They'd toss in weapons such as the T/C Contender. Give in an inch and they'll take a mile.

I am for reasonable effective gun control, though that is not possible. I think some effort should be put forth to prevent certain obvious individuals from owning firearms(i.e. convicted criminals, mentally insane, etc.). Though you will never be able to stop criminals from getting weapons of any kind. Its not like criminals now get them legally.

I am totally against bans of weapons of any type, just keep them out of the hands of those certain individuals.

The most effect gun control would be education and training. Why can't there be a licensing processes just like a car? Make it require effort, and some semblance of intelligence and responsibility to get a firearm.

I'm not for gun control..

but here is what I found out about the misleading *austrialian* info posted earlier...

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

Gun Control is where Democraps blame Homicides on law abiding gun owners.
What about busting down on gangs which traffic firearms all over the US.
The majority of these punks aquire guns through the black market, while a minority is through straw buyers.

Hey Democraps,
Its not us, its the criminals you whining donkey dumbasses!

If we ban guns because they kill people ( :rolleyes: ) then we should ban doctors too....and medicines. They cause more deaths. Oh, and ban cars also. Put a ban on cross walks cause lots of people get killed there. Put a ban on people cause more of those things kill than anything!


I think we should do a background check, but citizens should be able to own guns. Criminals will have guns whether it's legal or not. I would rather be on the same playing field than at a disadvantage if they can get them.

I am for reasonable effective gun control, though that is not possible. I think some effort should be put forth to prevent certain obvious individuals from owning firearms(i.e. convicted criminals, mentally insane, etc.).

Funny you say this.

None of those people can legally buy a firearm now.

But does the anti-gun lobby ever mention that?

oh hello gun debate thread, I've not seen you in a week. How are things?

Why can't there be a licensing processes just like a car? Make it require effort, and some semblance of intelligence and responsibility to get a firearm.

Why require anything of the law abiding citizen? Stamp "CONVICTED FELON" on the driver's license or state ID of any felons. You have to show your ID to buy a gun & it's illegal to buy one if you're a felon. Problem solved & w/o putting any extra strain on law-abiding citizens.


TEX

Nay. Just shoot the bastards who use them for criminal intent.

Funny you say this.

None of those people can legally buy a firearm now.

But does the anti-gun lobby ever mention that?


Exactly. This has always annoyed me.

More of my philosophy...

Why require anything of the law abiding citizen? Stamp "CONVICTED FELON" on the driver's license or state ID of any felons. You have to show your ID to buy a gun & it's illegal to buy one if you're a felon. Problem solved & w/o putting any extra strain on law-abiding citizens.


TEX


Sounds good to me. Easy and effective. Of course those have never been requirements of policies or laws for our guberment. :flipoff2:

Sounds good to me. Easy and effective. Of course those have never been requirements of policies or laws for our guberment. :flipoff2:

Problem is too many lawyers in gov't. They think it is their duty to ensure job security for ALL lawyers by doing things in the least reasonable manner.



TEX

I think you're a fawking troll.

you must be one of those dickwads that quotes other people and adds a bit of attitude in the post to come off as a hard ass.. did i get that right? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:



What do you think about the 2nd amendment?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How do you interpret it? Do you think that since we have a large (relatively) police force then we don't have the *need* for guns anymore?

p.s. i'm anti-gun control. if it goes on like this, then eventually the entire bill of rights will be questioned in court, and that will only go downhill.

Like the other guy said, the ban for assult weapons expires September 13th. HOWEVER i've been told that this does not apply to Commyfornia.. doing research on that right now..

What's fawking annoying is that they pass half the laws quietly, so noone is there to oppose/voice their opinion... it was only 5-6 days worth of time we had to call in about the new Smog law being passed in cali.. not enough time... :rolleyes:

Why require anything of the law abiding citizen?

Population control. Won't be long before they implant GPS chips into anyone that's commited a crime, and eventually everyone will have one. You know.. in case you're stuck in the woods and someone files a missing person report they could track you down easily.. :rolleyes:

you must be one of those dickwads that quotes other people and adds a bit of attitude in the post to come off as a hard ass.. did i get that right? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

No, but I still think you're a troll. As a life member of the NRA, I've got plenty of my own opinions. And they've all been posted here before. Gee, you suppose this is the first time this has been discussed here? I'm not a hard-ass, I'm the cranky old bastard that laughs at you...

:laughing:

i am VERY adimately against gun control.... come to think of it, i am against most forms of control.
now we have a war on drugs, a war on terrorisim, and if these asshats get their way, we will have a war on guns.
i remember after 9/11 when the patriot act was first passed how the feds took it upon themselves to begin searching registered gun owners' homes simply because they were armed. its this kind of shiz that causes otherwise law abiding citizens to not want to obey the law. people these days dont want to register their guns.
it would totally suck to have to give up our own personal security because the government says they can take care of you and that you dont need to defend yourself. what a crock.

No, but I still think you're a troll. As a life member of the NRA, I've got plenty of my own opinions. And they've all been posted here before. Gee, you suppose this is the first time this has been discussed here? I'm not a hard-ass, I'm the cranky old bastard that laughs at you...
:laughing:

fyi.. i ran a search on gun topics before i posted, but nothing came up for "gun control". if there was and the search didn't find it then not much i can do :flipoff2:

no troll here.. sorry.. there's one or two in the spider lake topic though. :flipoff2:

What do you think about the 2nd amendment?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Break it down grammatically. The first segment is argumentative, the last is statement. The "action" part of the sentence is "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed". The rest is justification. Sort of like saying, "Because it's raining, I'm going to take my umbrella".


TEX

No gun control at all, period. It's a complete waste of the taxpayer's money for something that has zero effect anyways. For those who think banning handguns would do any good, get a grip on reality. You know the anti-gun movement would push that idea to the very limit and include anything/everything along with it. They'd toss in weapons such as the T/C Contender. Give in an inch and they'll take a mile.


Yeah, banning handguns has sure stopped crimes comitted with them from happening in NYC and Chicago. :rolleyes:

This is a tough call always, for me to contemplate.

I like guns.

I grew up being able to go hunting with my Dad every summer since I was 12 years old, and I loved it. He was a sniper in the army and definately taught me respect and proper attitude towards firearms.

I never once thought, or had to worry about, using a gun against a human. Bears, cougars, wolves, moose etc sure. People? huh. Alien concept.

From my point of view, I would never want/agree to a ban, or gun control. Everybody I know that has guns (rifles, shotguns) obviously does not like the possibility. (or reality depending where you live)

BUT.
I am extremely uncomfortable with the idea that the little 16 year old gangbanger wannabees/drug addict loons etc could have super easy access to handguns or mac10's because they were legal to buy, therefore making them much more "on the market" to undesirables, through sheer volume. As it is now, up here anyways, it *is* way harder to get a gun period, let alone a handgun.

This makes me feel a lot better when walking down to the corner store to buy a 4x4 magazine and a coke at midnight. I absolutely don't have that feeling when doing the same thing in the 'States.

I was in Texas once (think it was Dallas?) and asked directions in a 7-11. All the counter people said :eek: don't go that way, you'll get shot! I looked puzzled I guess, and they said "no not just 'cause you're white, we'd get shot too." (They were all black people.)

That scared the hell outta me thinking so many people had so many guns, and that they would shoot you just for going down a street. :confused:

Is this possibly because of numbers of people? Availability of handguns? Attitudes? I don't know.

So I guess my rambling point is, I'm not against gun control, I'm against IDIOTS owning guns, and most people on the planet ARE idiots, so....... :(

And please for the luv of gawd, don't take anything in my post as some kind of anti-American bashing/crap or whatever. :shaking: I have no "agenda" etc (Hooper :flipoff2: ) Just my honest thoughts.

Really what good is gun control? Drugs are illegal right, well i can have a ounce of some good green stuff in just a phone call or two. Now a full auto ak make take a few days but with enough money the skys the limit. My point is no matter what laws or control is placed on something if you want it bad enough its available. Id bet that within one day i could land at least one handgun in canada, nyc, or chicago. As the old saying goes, When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have them, guess im gonna be an outlaw someday.

but outlawing something to the public really plays a tiny or absolutely NO role in the item being available on the streets..

Look at drugs - there's a dealer basically EVERYWHERE you go.. school, work, your local Subway...

Guns are also dirt cheap on the street because they are not *clean* and not legal.. if i had a cent everytime i heard "i know someone that sells guns" when i was younger. :rolleyes:

You Will Have To Pry My Firearms Out Of My Cold Dead Hands. You Pansy Ass Mother Fuckers. MORE LAWS ARE NOT THE ANSWER. STIFFER FINES AND LONGER JAIL TIMES WOULD MAKE PEOPLE THINK TWICE BEFORE CARRING ONE. ALL NEW LAWS ARE GOING TO DO IS HURT GOOD PEOPLE LIKE ME AND YOU HOW ARE NOT A DUMDASS. :mad3:

You Will Have To Pry My Firearms Out Of My Cold Dead Hands. You Pansy Ass Mother Fuckers.


Your username is fitting. Thanks for contributing, please drive through and have a nice day.

Your username is fitting. Thanks for contributing, please drive through and have a nice day.
FUCK YOU. :flipoff:

FUCK YOU. :flipoff:

Not in your wildest dreams there crack boy. :laughing:

But I'm glad to see you edited your original post to include just a *little* more content.

Now, go take some chill pills before you hemorrhage.

THE PBB, HAS BECOME MUCH LIKE THE RUBICON(SPIDER LAKE). THERE IS SO MUCH TRASH AND SHIT AKA(Sully) WE SHOULD CLOSE DOWN AND CLEAN UP HERE TO. :flipoff2:

i have yet to see the most logical, and direct argument against ANY form of gun control laws

they are, by definition, un-constitutional

the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

infringe : to break; to violate; to transgress; to neglect to obey
to destroy or hinder

-- from Webster's New Twentieth Century Dictionary, 2nd addition Unabridged



by the very definition of the word, any law that hinders my ability to keep and bear arms is unconstitutional. In other words, if there is a law that makes it hard or difficult for me to have a gun, then the law is unconstitutional.



This is but one example of how our government ignores the document that made this country what it was/is could be.

Hey spawn do you think the drug or gun dealers on the corner give a shit about gun control or laws. My point exactly. What needs to be done is beyond me but i do know that punishing us for their actions isnt the friggin answer.

THE POR, HAS BECOME MUCH LIKE THE RUBICON(SPIDER LAKE). THERE IS SO MUCH TRASH AND SHIT AKA(Sully) WE SHOULD CLOSE DOWN AND CLEAN UP HERE TO. :flipoff2:
This is the POR? You mean im a Pirate member? woohoo111!! I thought this was PBB and i was just a nobody....

This is the POR? You mean im a Pirate member? woohoo111!! I thought this was PBB and i was just a nobody....
THANK YOU.

Currently there is someone serving 20 years for growing weed. His cell-mate is serving 8 years for shooting his girlfriend. :shaking:



And that right there, I believe, is one of the reasons why DA's are so inclined to plead a charge down...the jails are overcrowded with non-violent offenders so there's not enough room for the "real" bad guys.
What a fukken joke. :nonlaughing:

This is the POR? You mean im a Pirate member? woohoo111!! I thought this was PBB and i was just a nobody....


Dont worry.. your still a nobody either way :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I'm not for gun control..

but here is what I found out about the misleading *austrialian* info posted earlier...

http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp

Whoever wrote that had an agenda too.

Gun control legislation doesn't work worth a shit. It serves no purpose. We have enough laws already on the books to deal with gun-related crimes, we just need to actually ENFORCE them instead of doling out "slap on the wrist" sentences.

THANK GOD the Assault Weapons Ban is coming to an end in 2 weeks. What a crock of shit that was.

We also need to repeal the 1986 Machine Gun Ban. That's another piece of useless legislation to solve a problem that never was. While we're at it, let's end the Gun Control Act of 1968 and the 1938 National Firearms Act.

2 weeks? send me a card from the future.. :flipoff2:

its ending september 13th, 2004.. more than 2 weeks for most of us. :flipoff2:

2 weeks? send me a card from the future.. :flipoff2:

its ending september 13th, 2004.. more than 2 weeks for most of us. :flipoff2:

Congress only has 2 weeks left to hash everything out before they recess (or whatever it's called) until their next session. So if it doesn't get renewed or replaced, it's effectively ending in 2 weeks.

I'm not advocating that we all start threading barrels and putting on bayonets, because the law is still in effect until September 13th.

;)

nay mother fawker nay!

using both hands is always a good thing...:D

Congress only has 2 weeks left to hash everything out before they recess (or whatever it's called) until their next session. So if it doesn't get renewed or replaced, it's effectively ending in 2 weeks.
I'm not advocating that we all start threading barrels and putting on bayonets, because the law is still in effect until September 13th.
;)

dude you totally owned me.. :D

so 2 weeks huh? Awesome, maybe we could make some calls?

Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us are totally disarmed.

The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.

Need I say more?

kansas is talking about "conceal & carry law"
i think if a guy goes thru all the right channels,ie training.etc.
we should all have "the right to bear arms".
the next time some a$$hole thinks about robbing/raping/murdering or whatever,maybe he'll think again...the person he's looking at may have a gun.
just my thought.great site by the way!

dude you totally owned me.. :D



Yes I did. Bow down!! :flipoff2:

































I'm Rick James, bitch!!! :D

Yes I did. Bend Over!! :flipoff2:

I'm Rick James, bitch!!! :D


:eek: :eek: :eek: :rainbow: :eek: :eek: :eek:

how dare you support that liberal by using his jokes? :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Contra Coast Bans .50-Caliber Rifles...

just read an article in the paper that they are banning the sale of this caliber rifle :mad: . it'll only be a matter of time till some aging hippie douche passes laws outlawing all guns and outlawing wheeling :(

Yes, because we all know most gangster's are now using Barretts. So many crimes committed here lately with 50cals... if i were gonna rob a bank i know my first choice would be a single shot 30 pound rifle...

:shaking:

i remember after 9/11 when the patriot act was first passed how the feds took it upon themselves to begin searching registered gun owners' homes simply because they were armed.

You are full of it. This is pure fiction.

wish I could find the whole article on the net so I could link it, i'm too lazy to type everything out.

basically their reasoning was that in the are there are 4 major refineries and those refineries are considered possible "terrorist targets". the fact that a .50 cal sniper rifle can shoot from up to 4 miles away (their stated fact not mine) means that a terrorist could stand on a hillside and wreak havoc on these refineries. also, train stations, bus stops, etc were "vulnerable".

sent in my opinion..."2nd amendment to US constitution states "the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. means I can own whatever 'arms' I want to own. hell, if I had the means to I should be able to park an f-18 or abrams tank in my driveway. secondly...if you believe that terrorists will use that caliber gun, then you should believe this. someday the us government will turn on it's people. if that happens my 9mm hang gun wont do anything to preserver my libirties against the might of the us military. but, a .50-caliber sniper rifle might hold them off a little longer."

http://www.militiaofmontana.com/reports.htm