30 Spline Longfield Super Set The Strongest Front Axles For Toyota's Ever! [Archive]

Longfield

07-17-2004, 08:33 PM

No these are not a birfield eliminator kit. These are stonger and affordable.

We have went as far as we can go with the birfield material we are currently using today.

It's become obvious that we need more strength in a Toyota front axle now that they are coming out with transfer cases that allows you to do front wheel digs in competition, hard core trails and larger tires.

1- This Longfield is made from 4340 chromoly. The bell is longer for added
strength.

2- The inner race and cage is a completely different and stronger design
that is patented. It is made from 300M and also made longer for
added strength. The new design is much stronger at full turn.

3- The balls are smaller to give the bell and inner race added thickness.

4- The inner axle is also made from 4340 chromoly. It is now 30 splines at
both ends. We also eliminated the big snap ring groove. No martack
need, these inners will come with the c-clip in place on the very end of
the axle that snaps into the Longfield. This c-clip snaps inside the race
to prevent the inner axle from sliding either direction.

5- If you noticed this new Longfield is designed to increase your turning
radius by tapering the Longfield on the inside of the bell. So the inner
axle does not come in contact with the bell and bind. These
Longfields will turn up to 48 degrees.

6- All these parts are properly heat treated and cryogenically processed
from the supplier to assure us of wearability and added strength.

This 30 Spline Super Set will sell for a low price of $635.00 for all 4 pieces delivered right to your door.

We currently have 6 prototypes being tested now. They will be available for sale in about 4-6 weeks.

For tech questions call BOBBY LONG 253-847-8254

DiscoDino

07-18-2004, 03:56 AM

Bobby,
Cool stuff - will you have any of these CVs to work with the 27 spline original sized axles?
Nadim

blacktoy

07-18-2004, 04:24 AM

How about some custom length inners?

Longfield

07-18-2004, 08:46 AM

Yes we are doing chromoly 27 spline, they will sell for about $225.00ea. 4 to 6 weeks.

Sorry we are not doing custom inners. you might check with PIG.

SR5Dave

07-18-2004, 09:10 AM

:eek: Thanks for stepping up toyota axles once again!!!

Bill Collins

07-18-2004, 10:26 AM

i waited for as long as i could,so i ordered some longs last week.and now you come out with these :flipoff2: also terra said that the inners were on back order,have they come in yet?thanks for improving...

Longfield

07-18-2004, 10:40 AM

Yes they came in friday evening. If your name is on Terras list she will call you monday.Or you can call her, sorry for the wait. :)

Kajo4x4toy

07-18-2004, 10:50 AM

That is awesome. I can't wait to hear how well prototypes are doing. When my original Longfields break I will probably by a set.

Bill Collins

07-18-2004, 11:08 AM

Yes they came in friday evening. If your name is on Terras list she will call you monday.Or you can call her, sorry for the wait. :)waiting was no problem,thanks...

Ben Holloway

07-18-2004, 01:45 PM

i heard you talking about these or i thought it was these in goldendale, was wondering how long it was gonna be, nice work

Ben

CronusTRD

07-18-2004, 03:47 PM

What would one additional birf cost if we wanted a spare....for "just in case"?

vikingsven

07-18-2004, 04:00 PM

O Baby! those are nice! Daddy Like!

LCOwner

07-18-2004, 05:51 PM

Will they be available for the FJ60/2 (17-1/4" short side)and FJ40 (29-1/8"long side)?

Longfield

07-18-2004, 06:51 PM

Will they be available for the FJ60/2 (17-1/4" short side)and FJ40 (29-1/8"long side)?\

YES THEY WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR ALL FJ M. :) SORRY NO FJ80S

Foxfab

07-18-2004, 07:36 PM

Are the splines rolled or cut?

SlamChops

07-18-2004, 08:04 PM

Those look SUPER beefy. Whenever I have to step up to chromo inners, I'll definitely be calling you.

SeaBass44

07-19-2004, 12:54 AM

:eek: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=138040 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=138041

woody

07-19-2004, 07:17 AM

VERY nice...I almost look forward to breaking what I've got installed now!

Xjeepman

07-19-2004, 07:43 AM

Just wondering if these will withstand daily use with out the excellerated wear associated with the softer predecessors if so then finally the best of both worlds

vikingsven

07-19-2004, 09:06 AM

Are the splines rolled or cut?

Good question? :confused:

yarddog

07-19-2004, 09:23 AM

Nice!

How many pounds do they take to break on your machine vs the 27 spline?

Longfield

07-19-2004, 10:13 AM

Are the splines rolled or cut?

YES THE SPLINES ARE ROLLD :)

Overlord

07-19-2004, 10:52 AM

Just wondering if these will withstand daily use with out the excellerated wear associated with the softer predecessors if so then finally the best of both worlds

I would like to know too. Living in Alaska, my hubs stay locked in for 6 months, so accelerated wear is an issue for me.

desertoy

07-19-2004, 10:52 AM

Look for install pictures and commentary soon. We will be installing a set in the Longfield sponsored Formula Toy next weekend:D:D. First comp, Donners Ski ranch next month.

JamisonWorkshop

07-19-2004, 11:14 AM

I have money waiting on the 27 spline version when ever ready, I would like to get them now, but will have to make something work, not going to miss out on these.

Thanks Bobby, Great work, and like mentioned, you other style lasted great, but wear out to a point of being too loose. Are these harder as to not wear and give some more of the strength of the materials?? Dont want to spend the money only for them to wear out like the rest.

Longfield

07-19-2004, 05:34 PM

I would like to know too. Living in Alaska, my hubs stay locked in for 6 months, so accelerated wear is an issue for me.

THESE NEW STYLE 4340S ARE HARD ENUFF AND PLENTY STRONG FROM THE SUPPLYER SO WE DON"T HAVE TO HEAT TREAT THEM AND SOFEN THEM LIKE THE OTHERS. THEY WILL LAST A LOT LONGER.

sickfab

07-19-2004, 05:34 PM

These are SO sick. After I see some test results I'm going to sell my O.G. longs and chromos to my bro-in-law, so he can get some too, and get these blingers

ghetto

07-19-2004, 07:06 PM

In the future do you think that you will do the "treatment" on these if requested. I don't drive mie ever on the road in four wheel drive. I wouldn't mind it wearing out faster if it meant more strength. Some of the competition only buggies might dig that as well.

Overlord

07-19-2004, 08:03 PM

THESE NEW STYLE 4340S ARE HARD ENUFF AND PLENTY STRONG FROM THE SUPPLYER SO WE DON"T HAVE TO HEAT TREAT THEM AND SOFEN THEM LIKE THE OTHERS. THEY WILL LAST A LOT LONGER.

Sweet! :smokin:

4RnrRick

07-19-2004, 08:08 PM

5- If you noticed this new Longfield is designed to increase your turning radius by tapering the Longfield on the inside of the bell. So the inner axle does not come in contact with the bell and bind. These Longfields will turn up to 48 degrees.

......For tech questions call BOBBY LONG 253-847-8254

Looks like a great product to upgrade the Toy axle to a greater performance level. But I got a question? How far can you rotate the knuckle on a fully assemblied axle before you crush the seal on the back of the knuckle against the knuckle ball recess?????

ginericfj80

07-20-2004, 08:34 AM

Any chance of coming out with the larger 80 series birfs out of the same material? With a lot of 80 series birfs at a point in their lives of wearing out (fulltime notch developing in them), there is a definite need for a good aftermarket replacement. What is currently available isn't very good! And both of my 80s will need birfs in the near future. 207,000 miles and 197,000 miles.

desertoy

07-20-2004, 10:08 AM

Looks like a great product to upgrade the Toy axle to a greater performance level. But I got a question? How far can you rotate the knuckle on a fully assemblied axle before you crush the seal on the back of the knuckle against the knuckle ball recess?????

Everyone knows there are other limiting factors. The wiper seal as you pointed out, and more commonly the tire hitting the leaf spring. The main reason for Bobby's comment was because of the first and second generation longfield. On the first generation design the inner balls would bind against the welded on ring if you didn't adjust your steering stops just right. On the second generation design he used a smaller ring so the balls wouldn't hit the ring, but found that the axle shaft itself would come in contact with the ring at full turn and bind. This new design has been manufactured with extra material in the bell area and designed to where the axle will not bind against the bell.

Longfield

07-20-2004, 05:26 PM

Yes These Will Turn Sharper Than The Knuckle Even If You Take The Stops Off.

So Don't Buy Dana 60's Yet.

Bill Collins

07-21-2004, 02:07 PM

got the longs today,thanks for the fast service.took 4 days to get to the coast of texas,not to shabby.i will try them out last weekend of the month at hot springs arkansas...

Longfield

07-21-2004, 08:23 PM

Have fun, don't break nothin! Glad we could help.

revor

07-21-2004, 09:26 PM

Looking good Bobby!

I'm excited to put then to use in my application!
Let me know when the production line comes alive!!

Thanks

Keith
www.rovertracks.com

Kajo4x4toy

07-22-2004, 08:18 AM

Longfield

07-22-2004, 09:58 PM

Bobby,

What do you think the tire size limit is on these things?

Hypothetically speaking, If a person has been running 39.5" IROK's with your original style Longfields ;) could that same person run 42's or 44's with the same success. :smokin:

I would think that 42s would not be out of line, 44s MAYBE. Ware is the next week link,??? Maybe the ring an pinion we heat treat them know for drag cars, and a few off roaders. So the ring an pinion is not as brittle and won't crake or chip.

Longfield

07-23-2004, 09:31 PM

deLooks like a great product to upgrade the Toy axle to a greater performance level. But I got a question? How far can you rotate the knuckle on a fully assemblied axle before you crush the seal on the back of the knuckle against the knuckle ball recess?????

I took the stearing stops off and it looks like about 45-46 degrees just before it hits the seal.

REDNECKTOY

07-23-2004, 11:05 PM

how much is a replacement? birf and shaft? any kind of warranty? i doubt but i had to ask

Lord Orange

07-24-2004, 01:08 AM

nice.....i think I will wait until I break my current longs (none yet) before I buy these but these are nice (which means I must try harder to break).......

LCL

07-26-2004, 01:45 AM

Who's running these for a 40 with what running gear?

Longfield

07-26-2004, 03:34 PM

Who's running these for a 40 with what running gear?

So far nobody with an FJ-40. A couple of other guys with 42's and 38's 22r
and 300 to 1. My rig with 38's and 175 to 1 200+ horse 4.3 vortec and wieghs 4100 lbs. beat on it this weekend real hard and tried to break shit but was unsuccessfull. :)

Lord Orange

07-27-2004, 08:25 PM

How much to treat a ring and pinion?

Longfield

07-27-2004, 10:05 PM

How much to treat a ring and pinion?

We heat treat and cryo any size ring an pinion $45.00. We do new and used, if you send me a new ring an pinion when its heat treated you don't have to break it in, just put it in your rig and beat on it. Or how many miles do you have to drive to break it in. Not only does it make it stronger but its already broke in. ANY QUESTION CALL 1-253-847-8254 :)

Azrckcrawler

07-28-2004, 07:08 AM

So is there a waiting list? If so, sign me up for a set of the new axles. I am still running my original Longs back from when they had a warranty :cool2:

Longfield

07-30-2004, 07:33 PM

So is there a waiting list? If so, sign me up for a set of the new axles. I am still running my original Longs back from when they had a warranty :cool2:

No waiting list yet, yes a lot of guys are singing up so they will be called when they come in and we will post it when they come in. :) :)

WhiteToyMTRS

07-31-2004, 12:49 AM

so bobby what did u say the price will be on the 27 spline chromo birfs also i will be on the megrew trail run next week so if u do come will u bring a set that we can see

Izeloz

07-31-2004, 03:21 AM

So I could set me steering stops all the way in to just barely knuckle/seal clearance and still be okay? If so, as soon as I get the money I am DEFINATELY adding these to the top of the list.

Longfield

07-31-2004, 09:14 AM

so bobby what did u say the price will be on the 27 spline chromo birfs also i will be on the megrew trail run next week so if u do come will u bring a set that we can see

Yes for you guys that have the 27 spline chromolys inners in your rigs we are makeing 27 spline chromoly brifs for you. they will be about $225.00ea. :)

Yes we will be there. :)

Longfield

07-31-2004, 09:23 AM

So I could set me steering stops all the way in to just barely knuckle/seal clearance and still be okay? If so, as soon as I get the money I am DEFINATELY adding these to the top of the list.

Yes that sounds like a good place to set your steering stops. :)

Bill Collins

08-01-2004, 07:54 PM

Have fun, don't break nothin! Glad we could help.something broke :D i'm gonna pull it down this week,but i still had full turning and it was jumping when pulling up the hill,i think it may be a ring or pinion...

JeepRecoveryTeam

08-01-2004, 09:45 PM

We just installed a set of 30 spline's into Team TinBender's Formula Toy. They look amazing and I can't wait to see them in action.

Install pics coming in just a few days.

Dave

Extreme4x4s

08-01-2004, 10:18 PM

I busted the shit out of both my old Bobby inner axles and pealed the ring off a Long field. I cant wait to try these. :grinpimp:

KarmirToy

08-02-2004, 01:35 AM

No waiting list yet, yes a lot of guys are singing up so they will be called when they come in and we will post it when they come in. :) :)

so how do we "sign up" to get called?

Longfield

08-02-2004, 02:29 PM

so how do we "sign up" to get called?

Just call Terra at 1-253-843-0551 an tell her you want to be on the list for the chromoly birfs. When they are here she will return everyones call. :)

Scott Jensen

08-02-2004, 11:15 PM

so is there any kinda warrenty on these babbies?

Scott Jensen

08-03-2004, 10:16 AM

Longfield

08-05-2004, 08:47 AM

so is there any kinda warrenty on these babbies?

SORRY GUYS NO WARRENTY I DON'T THINK WE WILL NEED ONE. :)

Scott Jensen

08-05-2004, 09:29 AM

SORRY GUYS NO WARRENTY I DON'T THINK WE WILL NEED ONE. :)

thats what i like to hear :grinpimp:

Longfield

08-09-2004, 07:02 PM

O.k. the cats out of the bag! The prototype inner race is 4340 but the final product inner race is made of 300M and will be longer. Yes, the inner cage and race is a patented design. The price will not change it is still at $635.00 a set, all 4 pieces. We feel this will be the strongest birfield on the PLANET! I want to design something for you guys that we can beat on with our eyes closed. :D :D
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gnob

08-09-2004, 09:18 PM

mmmmm 300M

Canadian Xtoys

08-09-2004, 11:33 PM

hi Bobby we talked on the phone a few times, the new 30 spline set up sound great. i still havent done anything with mine after blowing up your chorme inners the first day, i have been thinking about the Dana 60s. any chance you might let me be a tester for you here in Canada ?

Longfield

08-10-2004, 04:10 PM

Longfield

08-14-2004, 02:40 PM

We will be at Truckee Ca. for the Calrocs. We will have a NEW CHROMOLY LONGFIELD on display. An Desert Toy will be running them. :)

RUFF

08-15-2004, 02:30 AM

Just call Terra at 1-253-843-0551 an tell her you want to be on the list for the chromoly birfs. When they are here she will return everyones call. :)

Bobby im in Australia so this is a PITA for me. Is there another way i can get on this list. Im interested in a set for my new Tube buggy.

Longfield

08-15-2004, 04:38 PM

Bobby im in Australia so this is a PITA for me. Is there another way i can get on this list. Im interested in a set for my new Tube buggy.

You can get on the list by e-mailing her at Terra0551@msn.com.

She will send you a reply message confirming you are on the list.

SIR DENTS ALOT

09-03-2004, 03:27 PM

Hey Bobby Just Chatted With You. Put Me On The List. I Know A Couple Buddies Of Mine Would Like A Set Also So I Guess It Would Be Three Sets. Christo Slee, Ben Swain And Me Brian Sandoval Thanks, Hope To Hear From You The End Of Next Week! 303-717-8156 OR SLEE OFF-ROAD 303-278-8287 FOR BEN
9-3-04

Cruzzr

09-03-2004, 06:20 PM

Longfield

09-03-2004, 06:56 PM

Man, I can't believe no one asked the obvious yet.....If the prototype breaks then is it safe to assume the shipment dates will be pushed back.

Man I kill me LOL :p

Can't wait to try them on my beast. I plan to buy the new Tcase from AA so this will complement the set!

I got the second generation longfields in now...anyone wanna buy a good set....hardly been used?

Yes you are right. The prototypes have been tested several times in a mechanical machine and in the field months ago. All of the bugs have been worked out. Now they are building the final product which will hopefully be here in a week. This testing has been going on for about 7 months now. :)

4x4Poet

09-04-2004, 02:51 AM

Bobby,
My compliments and gratitude for an outstanding product that enables me to stick with my 77 cruiser axles by just upgrading the guts with great stuff like your Chromo Birfs. :grinpimp:

I think I've missed some obvious options:

1. Can one use PIG 300M inner axles with your Chromoly Birfs?

2. Can one buy both (4340 Birf/300M Inner) thru you at a higher price than all 4340?
OR
3. Buy just your 4340 birf bells without inners from you at a price reduced since you wouldn't be including the inners?

I know :shaking: more money and maybe overkill. But I still want to know what the ultimate combination is now and the source/cost.:cool2:

Thanks

Walt

DiscoDino

09-04-2004, 05:37 AM

Do the 27s have a list? If yes, how do we get on?

Gunmetalcruz

09-06-2004, 03:21 PM

Bobby, this from my friend Tony's mini truck, 22r with 36's. 3 trips old. New style with no ring. Has this been happening at all?

Longfield

09-06-2004, 03:28 PM

Do the 27s have a list? If yes, how do we get on?

Right now there is no waiting list for the 27 splines. They should be here in about 3 weeks. The 27 splines will sell for $205 each. They are coming out shortly after the 30 spline setups. I will post up a few days before they arrive. Thanks

Longfield

09-06-2004, 03:35 PM

Bobby, this from my friend Tony's mini truck, 22r with 36's. 3 trips old. New style with no ring. Has this been happening at all?

Yes unfortunatly this happens approximatly 3 out of 100. We've improved the inner cage and the bell, so the weak point is sometimes the stub shaft. Sorry to see your breakage. Give me a call and we'll help you out on this one. We've pushed these style birfs about as far as we can go. That is why we are stepping up our new chromoly and 300m birfs.

253-847-8254 Thanks Bobby

Gunmetalcruz

09-06-2004, 03:59 PM

Thanks. I'll have him give you a call. That's what I call a prompt reply.

WhiteToyMTRS

09-06-2004, 07:26 PM

so bobby are u still giving free shipping with the chromo 27 birfs

Rex

09-08-2004, 06:08 PM

Hey Bobby,
Will we be able to buy the 30 spline Cromo Birfs by themselves without inner shafts? If so, how much each (or pair)?

I am getting a Front Range Off Road custom axle housing wider than stock, and they said they can provide 4340 or 300M 30-spline inners to run with your 30-spline birfs, in which case I wouldn't need inners.

Thanks

Longfield

09-08-2004, 09:57 PM

Longfield

09-12-2004, 09:16 AM

so bobby are u still giving free shipping with the chromo 27 birfs

Yes we have free shipping on all are parts.they should be here by the 9-17-04 so we have been told.

abnormaltoy

09-21-2004, 05:46 PM

I got the call today. I was 5th on the list, mine are on the way. I forgot to ask how they're being shipped.

Longfield

09-21-2004, 06:07 PM

I got the call today. I was 5th on the list, mine are on the way. I forgot to ask how they're being shipped.

All our stuff goes out UPS. Thank alot :)

ISUZUROVER

09-30-2004, 06:26 AM

Hi Bobby - I am interested in buying the birfs without the axles to put in a rover front end. I can get the inners I need custom made in Australia. I won't be buying them until I am in the US early next year though.

Any idea on price???

Longfield

09-30-2004, 01:26 PM

4xdude

10-01-2004, 07:14 AM

Bobby, On your 30 Spline Longfield Super Set Can you make the inner axle shaft to custom length?

Longfield

10-01-2004, 08:26 PM

Bobby, On your 30 Spline Longfield Super Set Can you make the inner axle shaft to custom length?

Yes we can make custom shafts. Just talked to our supplier they will give us a smoken deal. Just add $40.00 to the main price.

$635.00 set
+40.00 shaft
-------------
$675.00

Any question call me 1-253-847-8254 :)

yotamika

10-04-2004, 07:02 AM

Yes we can make custom shafts. Just talked to our supplier they will give us a smoken deal. Just add $40.00 to the main price.

$635.00 set
+40.00 shaft
-------------
$675.00

Any question call me 1-253-847-8254 :)

So does this mean that you can make F/HJ-60 long side shaft with longer inner splines (maybe 3 x longer than stock). It's for Land Cruiser HJ-61 with cable locking differentials.

Here's picture where at top is F/BJ-40 long side and at bottom is HJ-61 long side and you can see how long inner splines are compared to stock.

http://www.phnet.fi/public/mika.jussilainen/kuvat/bj40_2004/b-40j_ja_hj-61_pitkatikku.jpg

Longfield

10-04-2004, 08:07 AM

So does this mean that you can make F/HJ-60 long side shaft with longer inner splines (maybe 3 x longer than stock). It's for Land Cruiser HJ-61 with cable locking differentials.

Here's picture where at top is F/BJ-40 long side and at bottom is HJ-61 long side and you can see how long inner splines are compared to stock.

http://www.phnet.fi/public/mika.jussilainen/kuvat/bj40_2004/b-40j_ja_hj-61_pitkatikku.jpg

Yes we can make any lenght or custom splines like yours. When you by the kit then you must fax us the lenght you need for everything. :)