from 'baertrax' called the buttface...
http://www.baertrax.com/pics/bf4.jpg

http://www.baertrax.com/bf.htm heres a link:eek:

Nice Shovel. :rasta:

May be fugly...but it works well, I have witnessed it.

That has got to be the strangest thing I have seen today. And I was at Wal Mart at lunch time too. :o

Any action shots?
What the hell does it do really? Protect the tie rod?

hey it's a dana 30 with a horrible underbite!

This all gives me an idea on how to mount my hyrdo ram

freakin ugly and waaaayy unecessary! unless you plan on plowing into a rock at 100mph. :D

I prefer to go around/over rocks instead of into them :-D

I've seen it in action and it works!! Wish they made one for toyota housings.

Thats too much !


thud, thud...

I guess it has to grow on ya......but looking at the design it looks to have 2 purposes....protect diff. and save the tierod from "severe" damage if any.......

I don't like how it looks either, but it could be used to slide the diff up over a rock that you are just barely unable to drive over. Could be worth it for some people. Maybe I'll get one so I can tell people I love my buttface. :)

Originally posted by Monkeyboy
hey it's a dana 30 with a horrible underbite! lol hahahahahahahahahahahaha:D

You all are wrong. It is to set your :beer: on while working under your vehicle.

Jared

Originally posted by Wheelr
You all are wrong. It is to set your :beer: on while working under your vehicle.

Jared good thinking newbie:flipoff2:

damn thats ugly but i can see hwo it would be useful
:)

Looks like a toilet :D

Yep... it's fugly...

so I fixed it!

http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/ram/ram3a.jpg


:flipoff2:

Originally posted by thump93yj
Yep... it's fugly...

so I fixed it!

http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/ram/ram3a.jpg


:flipoff2:


Call me crazy, but Im not thinking Id install hydrualic rams to anything in/on/around my rig that holds lube..... :eek:

lube's overated! Run it dry...

besides... it has to be better than running with a "tcase shifter in my ass" right?

:D

I think that cover look like ass.:eek:

Triple Gold Dude!

Originally posted by Jeepmangled87
I think that cover look like ass.:eek:

That hurts... coming from a feller "cowtowner":cow:

I'm sure I'll get over it though.

We'll see how it all works out... headn' up to Clayton Friday night.

Originally posted by Pdaddy



Call me crazy, but Im not thinking Id install hydrualic rams to anything in/on/around my rig that holds lube..... :eek:

just think, the ram rips the bolts out the housing, cover comes off, front diff is dry, and you got a stripped housing ... doesnt seem wise to me

Interesting approach.
I think it needs more bracing.

I feel in the long run it's going to bend the cover severely out on the trail and cause problems, (oil out, dirt/mud/water in).

Looks like a good concept, just needs more reinforcement.
Lose the gold paint, I thought paint huffers were the only ones to buy gold paint.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by mobil1syn


just think, the ram rips the bolts out the housing, cover comes off, front diff is dry, and you got a stripped housing ... doesnt seem wise to me

So talk to somebody who has done it and beaten on it and hasn't had any problems before you talk out of your ass...

Nothing wrong with mounting off the diff cover. It's a lot of bolts and seems to take the stress really well. I have BEAT on mine, and had no issues.

Doug

no my 2500 dollar D44 has a standard Thick Dana 44 cover with beefed up supports and hydro ram mounted to the diff cover... I think you should reconsider before you act like an asshat here.

Doug

Originally posted by Doug K
I think you should reconsider before you act like an asshat here.


Did I hear a......














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SMACK!!!!!!

it is either the coolest log spliter around or a rednecks booty fab gone bad either way it is ugly :flipoff2:...........but it looks like it would do the job you intended it to do. just don't mount a hydro ram on it.

What's all this hating on mounting rams to the diff cover? Is it just this buttface thing? Do folks think there is too much leverage on the diff cover bolts? I have my ram mounted to the diff cover, albeit MUCH closer, and i have had ZERO problems...

Doug

Like I said.... we'll see how it does.

I searched this board and a kajillion other places for ideas and have seen some just flat out crazy ram mounting... this one didn't seem too unreasonable and I've seen it work on some other rigs. Besides... reputable kits like photo below... with much smaller mounting points hold up... that diff cover I got ain't gonna be hurtin'... but what do I know... I can't drive worth a damn... and sure don't profess to be any kind of an engineer.... I'm a damn bean-counter that fourwheels and brews beer... it's an ugly combo!

http://westtexasoffroad.homestead.com/files/reneckjeepram.jpg

:D

Originally posted by Doug K
What's all this hating on mounting rams to the diff cover? Is it just this buttface thing? Do folks think there is too much leverage on the diff cover bolts? I have my ram mounted to the diff cover, albeit MUCH closer, and i have had ZERO problems...

Doug

The only problem I see with it would be mounting a 2" ram on a thin cover. It might want to tear the tabs off if the steering was put in a bind.

Originally posted by camo
it is either the coolest log spliter around or a rednecks booty fab gone bad either way it is ugly :flipoff2:...........but it looks like it would do the job you intended it to do. just don't mount a hydro ram on it.

If you had one of those bucktoothed covers on your "CAMO 60", that stuck out about 5'. Youda been OK playing Dukes of Hazard in Moab.

EDIT..... I forgot...:flipoff2:

I think camo needs one for his new 60!!! :D :flipoff2:

I do believe I'm gonna make me one of them - only sticking out about 2" - on my ultra thick diff cover.

We'll see.

:D

Chrome it! :flipoff2:

going straight on seems fine but it's kind of like a rudder. Turning the wheel which would slide the U.D.C.( underbite diff. cover) sideways might be a problem. Hey it's all good.

I like this diff cover :D

http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/moabejs2003/Molten-Images-Design-Diff-c.jpg

And see the open mouth can protect your steering! Two thumbs up!!

now thats a sharp toothed diff cover..I don't know wich one is mor or less ugly then the other..

Originally posted by thump93yj


That hurts... coming from a feller "cowtowner":cow:

I'm sure I'll get over it though.

We'll see how it all works out... headn' up to Clayton Friday night.


Hell I am from Fort Worth and I want you move.........or least leave it in OK when it breaks....

that's nice...

I want you stay on southside of FW far way from me until engrish you learn:flipoff2:

it could be worse... I could buy some epoxy...

http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/cleardiff.jpg

Originally posted by ROKN ZJ
http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/moabejs2003/Molten-Images-Design-Diff-c.jpg



When you absolutely, positively have no intention of going off-road:flipoff2:
________
Kiichiro toyoda (http://www.toyota-wiki.com/wiki/Kiichiro_Toyoda)

Originally posted by thump93yj

it could be worse... I could buy some epoxy...

http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/cleardiff.jpg I have seen these in action and talked wiht the driver. They will take hits all day long.

Justhard to mount your steering ram to it:flipoff2:

Originally posted by ROKN ZJ
http://www.rockcrawler.com/trailreports/moabejs2003/Molten-Images-Design-Diff-c.jpg

I seriously think this thing is sweet. :cool:

Originally posted by Cutter
from 'baertrax' called the buttface...
http://www.baertrax.com/pics/bf4.jpg
Sure, but do they make them for a Rockwell?:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Originally posted by thump93yj
that's nice...

I want you stay on southside of FW far way from me until engrish you learn:flipoff2:

it could be worse... I could buy some epoxy...

http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/cleardiff.jpg

That's pretty cool. Who sells em/how much? Probably too much bling for me, but I'm curious anyway.

Originally posted by skank da sock puppet

Sure, but do they make them for a Rockwell?:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Roberts, you know Rockwells don't need a stinking cover. Those of us with Rockwells don't even need drain plugs :D

Originally posted by thump93yj
that's nice...

I want you stay on southside of FW far way from me until engrish you learn:flipoff2:

it could be worse... I could buy some epoxy...

http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/cleardiff.jpg


That's cute, I only omited a word... Westside not Southside...

Originally posted by Robert
http://www.thefrontyard.org/jeeponblocks/cleardiff.jpg
I have seen these in action and talked with the driver. They will take hits all day long.

Just hard to mount your steering ram to it:flipoff2: HELLO McFLY!!

What do you think self-tapping sheet metal screws were made for. :confused:

Does anyone else see the similarity?
http://www.baertrax.com/pics/bf4.jpg http://www.ccchronicle.com/back/2001-05-14/images/homestar.jpg

When I first saw the thing, all I could say was "that thing is ugly!". But the more I look at at and think about it I think it's got some potential. I'm thinking about setting up something like that when I shave my Toy diffs. I'd use half of a weld-on cap like has been done a million times before and then modify the "buttface" design by welding flat steel to the surface of the two "fangs" to give a better sliding surface.

I like, I like. :D

This thing works well, I know many folks that use/abuse them. That is thick steal and it's great for those time when you say "If I just had another half inch of clearance". To hell with it, you have a butt face, rame the rock, save your tie rod and get on with the next obsticle. www.baertrax.com Great guy, great shop, great armor.....

:shaking:

Originally posted by TNToy
Does anyone else see the similarity?
http://www.baertrax.com/pics/bf4.jpg http://www.ccchronicle.com/back/2001-05-14/images/homestar.jpg

Holy shit, TNToy! I just spit Pepsi all over my monitor! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Gotta love Homestar Runner and crew :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2:

:eek:

I wheel with Russ quite a bit.

He does amazing things with a "stock configuration" 4 cylinder TJ. The butface is cool for "small tire" guys (like me, although I don't own one) who have a tendency to skid their diff's over rocks. It doesn't go as crazy as some around here do on ring gear protection, but it does allow you to slide the diff over rocks.

Originally posted by NE-RokToy
I prefer to go around/over rocks instead of into them :-D

:laughing:

Originally posted by Heavy Metal Toy
Holy shit, TNToy! I just spit Pepsi all over my monitor! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Gotta love Homestar Runner and crew :bounce: :bounce2: :bounce: :bounce2: :bows: Thank you, thank you...

[Irish Accent] Is that right, Rambo?...


"We could kill - EVERYONE."
"I'm strangely comfortable with that..."[/Irish accent]

...And don't get me started on "the rope." :flipoff2:

BTT: hoping that Thump will give his report on his Mother In Law.....

Both Russ and I have beat the crap out of those things. The only damage is the lower "vanes" look slightly crooked, but nothing has ever leaked or broken. I also had my doubts on this idea, but after seeing Russ use it for a long time and really put it to the test, I was next to put one on my Jeep. I have tried very hard to break it and haven't been able to. About a year ago I still had stock TJ upper front arms on my Jeep, I hit that Buttface thing hard enough to bend the upper arms against the frame rails, then eventually rip them in half. The Buttface never complained a bit. It does make a nice ramp as mentioned before, and is useful. They have also been known to split softer rocks. :)

We ran pretty hard this weekend up in Clayton... took the Mother-in-Law version of the Baertrax Buttface on Limp Pine first thing with Russ himself. It did fine. You smack rocks all day on that trail and it slid over them just fine. (Steep and off-camber all the way). I just need to add some protection under the rest of the ram to finish out this project.

The nay-sayers are funny... most of the ram assist kits I looked at come with small steel tabs to weld on as mounting points. This diff cover is the heavier 44 version with 1/4 inch steel plate welded across it with the added tab which I believe is 5/16 for the ram mount. It's stout. It's securely bolted down to a cast surface with 10 machine bolts... while it might happen... I seriously doubt I'm gonna "rip" the cover off! I got other more likely issues... like d44 knuckles being blown off in a pinch. For comparison... Woody turned his AGR cylinder into a pretzel on TSOB. His Buttface held... the ram didn't... I think that ram was a bit small for what he's running though... D60 with 39-15 TSLs. He's chucking it and putting on a 2" cylinder.

We put it to the test on Hoegaarden, Staircase, TSOB as well. All good. I twisted a front drive shaft and busted a hub the last day on staircase.

For those interested in the technical aspect of this project verses the "fugly-ness".... I'm running a 93YJ, stock 4.0, AX15 5spd, Dana300 4:1 twin stick, d60 35spline spooled, scout d44 detroit, 4.56, SOA, 38.5-14.5 TSL-SX.

oh and :flipoff2: -cheers!

for the full scoop on it here are the specs.....
http://www.baertrax.com/bf.htm

Originally posted by TNToy
:bows: Thank you, thank you...

[Irish Accent] Is that right, Rambo?...


"We could kill - EVERYONE."
"I'm strangely comfortable with that..."[/Irish accent]

...And don't get me started on "the rope." :flipoff2:

BOONEDOCK SAINTS!!! Kick ass movie!!

BOONEDOCK SAINTS!!! Kick ass movie!!

The best movie that nobody seems to have heard of.

I know I am a nebi but I will post my opinion, Like it counts:flipoff2: Looks like an effective product but the only downfall would be the bolts like some have said and it would come from some idiot tightening the bolts down to tight or to loose causing the bolts to be able to sheer or rip off. Other then that it gives me an idea.

Originally posted by bignissan


BOONEDOCK SAINTS!!! Kick ass movie!!

I saw it my first time while on "vacation" in Kuwait. Now I gots it on DVD. I made my wife watch it. :)

Originally posted by coloradok5
Looks like a toilet :D
My first thought too...I have to take a crap now:flipoff2:

Why would you want something like that when they make those tie rods that bend back to shape? The name for them escapes me right now but they're always advertised in the back of 4x4 mags.

Later.

Ken S.

I'd run the clear one if it wasn't so much $$$

I have seen them beat to crap, probably stronger than anything because they have more give

Originally posted by Brandon
I'd run the clear one if it wasn't so much $$$

I have seen them beat to crap, probably stronger than anything because they have more give

It'd be easy to check your gears too :flipoff2:

I just cant see it holding up well......I mean.. its plastic... Granted it would give but it can only give so much.

The butt face is awkward looking but I have seen them in action and I think they offer a lot more than just a diff gaurd.
Good design.

Originally posted by Jamus2


The best movie that nobody seems to have heard of.

Why bring this back just to show how much you like a movie?:rolleyes:

BOONEDOCK SAINTS!!! Kick ass movie!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Rule of thumb........perhaps it shoulda been the rule of wrist