I frequent other Boards to see what people are saying about this site..... I came across this post:

<i>Now at the POR BBS, it's too bad that more of a premium is placed on serving up soft core porn and worthless threads that say nothing more than "you suck". That along with all of the useless posts and poser people who make them has ruined that BBS. On the other hand, I'm not gonna whine to the admin about it, I just choose not to visit there very much anymore.

For those of us that are purely into 4x4 and tech, there are plenty of other sites that have "stepped up to the plate" to take POR's place.. </i>

Does anyone else agree with this? I mean, sure, the CHIT CHAT forum has all kinds of crap in it... But that's WHAT IT'S FOR! Isn't this and the other Tech forums overloaded with the BEST tech around? Let me know if I'm wrong, PLEASE. :confused::(

Pirate is better than any others I have been to.

Just my opinion though. BTW, where did you find that?

wow, what a pile of dog poo poo(politicaly correct) and i do mean a very big pile... I personally never even go into chit chat, I bounce from the general tot he toy sections, and those places THRIVE on tech info........

Sounds like a typical jeck who has nothing better than bad mount other BBS's or is trying to puch there own..

For this, i give the POR salute..

I go to other toyota and jeep boards on the net and all they talk about are the many different bolt on mods and the por board seems to be more of the do it yourself home builders

well....if he wants tech then he should have left the chit chat forum and viewed the other forums where all the tech info is...seems that he was too concerned with the "porn" and didn't notice anything else on the BB. You want tech you go to a tech forum...what was he doing in chit chat if he was here for tech info? The forums are pretty well marked! Looks like just another excuse for someone to whine! :crybaby2: :roxy:

I agree with you. Sure chit chat's chit chatty. But WTF? There's no tech on other P4x4 boards? How come every industry, and pro rock crawling type checks this board out? Where did you find that? There's no doubt that this place has changed from the days when we had registered users in the hundreds. Some good, some bad. It's never going to revert to what it was, unless it goes back to a couple hundred users of which half know each other off the board.

We have had a number of posts that were very informative that through all the changes have become lost. There were even some I contributed. :flipoff2: It would be cool to have a section for all those new posts that will replace the former ones. Some sort of searchable archive of "golden" posts. That you couldn't post followups to.

You're not wrong.Whomever wrote that is confused.

Heres my opinion.

This board is what you make of it.

There is plenty of tech, I mean hard tech, backed up by people that actually wheel, and fab and mod themselves.

I think most of us learn at least something everytime we get one here.

This board has a certain "edge" :flipoff2: to it, that not many others have.
Certain people can't deal with that or see through it, so they bad mouth POR on other sites where they feel safe.

Personally I can find alot of things wrong with every board I go to..thats the way it is. It's just my opinion too.

I say everyone on here that isn't "with the program" is the problem, and not POR itself.
:D

Just the opinion of one guy that appreciates this place for what it is:
People coming together to share knowledge, in order to be able to GET IT...hard core! Don't like it? Theres the door!

MJ

Lance, you know I am not one to blow smoke up anyone's ass, so me saying this is not meant to "butter you up", as anyone who knows me would know by now :p

I am on both major Toyota 4x4 mailing lists and have been on the MAJOR one (ORC) since 1995 some time. I have been posting on thoe ORC Toyota and Jeep boards since before they were anything remotely helpful.

Back in the mid 90's the major info was shared on mailing lists, and BBS's were just not advanced enough to support this kind of heavy use.

I have watched the Toyota "info" shift from the ORC mailing list, to the ORC BBS, and then to the PBB where I believe the majority of tech info on the web can now be found.

Yes, PBB has it's "peculiarities", but I feel confident to say that without a doubt, the PBB users have THE BEST collection of knowledge about HARDCORE and EXTREME off roading anywhere on the net.

Maybe some are unable - or unwilling - sift through the other stuff to get to it, but there is NO DOUBT it is here.

You don't visit the PBB; You survive it :flipoff2: Seriously, I think this is one of the best tech sites around. Its biased more towards the rock weasels :D than some boards are, and the *ahem* ambiance is pretty damn unique, which I like. Seems to me somebody needs a blowjob.

Lance it sounds like U found a guy that was a NewBie over here and got his Feeling hurt and now wants to bad mouth us. A thin skinned wimp. It's too bad he will scare people away thast would otherwise enjoy the bb.

Im ny opinion, these tech boards offer more tech than any other board out there, and I like it that way!
Scott

[QUOTE]Originally posted by The Mick
[B]You don't visit the PBB; You survive it !

TOUCHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is the best by far, sure there are others starting up but they tend to be people that got pissed at some one here WA , WA ,WA:D

if you wanna learn something its here, if you want trash its here, its all in where your looking.

Thanks for the input, guys.... I think that most of the moderators do a damn good job in trying to keep the tech forums on track, and get rid of the crap. All you have to do is look at the topics in this forum to see that almost every post is hard core tech. So to each his own, I suppose. This board has grown HUGE over the years, and clearly it is not what it used to be. But that is good. Because there are more ideas, and more opionions. Some good, some bad. :flipoff2:

Keep the comments coming. And don't be afriad to say we suck if you think we do. I'd like to hear it.

As for who posted that, and where, it's not important. Myself and the moderators will just continue to do what we can to keep the PBB (and the rest of the site) as good as we can.

I also am planning on adding more stuff to the tech pages for easy reference. If anyone wants to contribute, please let me know! :)

whoever wrote that didn't get past the girly pics thread :rolleyes:

the jeep board on this BBS has some of the best info on fabbing and general knowledge i have yet to see.

i like the edge, dammit! it makes the board fun. :D

GET A RED STAR :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I've watched PBB grow from a few hundred to nearly 10k that it's at now. Many of whom are major webwheelers. There's certainly a lot more crap to wade through, but PBB is definately the best around. This is a major knowledge base I couldn't do without.

I follow a few other boards, and it seems many topics on other boards originate here........kind of annoying, but I guess some are scared to throw their .02 in here, or they want credit for some killer idea.

Originally posted by WillyPete
whoever wrote that didn't get past the girly pics thread :rolleyes:

the jeep board on this BBS has some of the best info on fabbing and general knowledge i have yet to see.

i like the edge, dammit! it makes the board fun. :D

Exactly!!! If he was looking for tech what was he doing looking at that particular thread? As far as all the threads with "you are :rainbow: " and "you suck"...well yes...there are too many of them and they do get irritating, BUT he didnt' find those threads in a tech forum either! Most of that stuff is in chit chat and he would have had to actually been reading threads there to find that because its not in most of the thread titles! :roxy:

Does this mean our "porn" isn't hard enough? LOL

First off! :flipoff2:

Originally posted by The Mick
Seems to me somebody needs a blowjob.

What is that? Are you offering? :rainbow: :flipoff2:

Secondly (back to the topic, had to create more ambience :D ),

I think that this board rocks. I hang out pretty much either here, JT or Chit-chat. Jeep tech seems to have gotten a little "soft" lately, (If I see another post about which 44 will fit under my YJ, I'm gonna :barf: ) but I think all in all, what is best about this board is that if you ask a REAL question that might be something "ground breaking" or "edgy", it can be of huge value.

I also think though that it tends to put peoples feet back on the ground. I know that there have been times that I'll "think" of something that I'm like "KICK ASS, that'll work, I've never heard anyone do that before", get on here, post the idea, and 100 people call me a dumbass. :D But, that's a good thing. It forces you to think stuff through, and it also saves you a TON in R&D.

Anyway, keep it going Lance! I, for one, won't be going anywhere else. :D

I delete any and all tech I find in chit chat. Keep that scary building stuff out of the fun forum. :D

But seriously, I have noticed that there are more "JUish" posts in all the forums and there does not seem to be as much hardcore tech. But when you really get down to it there is MORE tech and cool new info everyday. The simple fact of the matter is there are alot more people using the PBB everyday. This means more posts. The tech is in there and there is more of it plain and simple.

So am I gonna get the Tech only forum I asked for a year ago? :D

I just want a place that someone could move the great tech to that had dropped onto page 5 or up. I think it would be a great place to send people to and make searches faster and easier.

Originally posted by IndyCJ
First off! :flipoff2:



What is that? Are you offering? :rainbow: :flipoff2:



Focker :flipoff2:

if you want some advice this is the place ,good or bad every one lets you know :flipoff2: ,im a lurker myself i read alota shit here and i build alot of shit for my B-2 from ideas i get here :D .

just check out my wristed arm , disc brake conversion or the dual case setup im workin on .

so let them think what they want we all know were the tech is
P B B RULES :usa:

I've been to other bbs but none compare. This place has been indespensible in helping me build and fix my junk.

Lance, how about a rather unique view. As you can tell by my sig, I work for the biggest OHV mag in the world (right near 2 million readers a month), and I've been using their bbs for years. I've been checking this one out for a couple years, never bothered to sign up till recently. I like the ORC Jeep bbs, its got a lot of good tech info, unlike JU, etc. But , now doubt about it, this bbs rocks, and has great tech info to boot. I like both, they are very different from each other. And I think that guy that wrote that post must be new, I'm new but I guess a lot thicker skinned. Ignore such trash, the POR bbs is at the top of the type of bbs it is.:cool:

well...i'm in my 24th year wheelin, and if I can get tons of tech from the Jeep and General 4X4 boards, I don't see how anyone couldn't pick up something everyday here. New Guy, Old Guy, theres gold here!
...now the rover-ette board, thats a different story...:flipoff2:

compared to all the other bbs or mailing lists on the net, there's more hard core 4x4 tech per kb on the POR bbs than any other place on the net. that dude must have gotten lost in some of the whacked out threads that go on in the chit-chat section ...

at times some of the tech threads get chit-chatty when a bunch of the guys are from the same area and all know one another and just use a thread to communicate about some stupid crap. Happens alot with the guys from up around WA, but hey it's cool there all buds and know one another, happens with other groups of friends also ... i tend to just quit reading a thread when it gets to that point.

ya know, i remember waaayyyy back when the only 4x4 stuff on the internet was rec.autos.4x4 and then the offroad mailing list that stefan roth ran out of ga. tech (maybe he still does) ... <fast forward a few foggy memory years> ... and then the POR club had a little mailing list going on and then a small bbs and now it's the 4x4 King of the Internet ... woohoo ... what years its been... man, i'm gettin' to be an old nerd :emb:

and the edge is definitely what places this place what it is .. keep up the good work Lance .. :skull:

- jack

Brad - I know you are an ORC groupie :p but having been around there since before they were anything more than a few pages of tech and there was NO BBS at all, I can say I have seen ORC peak, and then start to die off.

Now I could give several reasons for that, but the main thing I see that PBB has to offer that ORC does not is that PBB can cater to the "rebel" attitude of the sport we all enjoy, while ORC has sold out to commercialization - and that just eats away at a lot of the people in our sport.

And realistically, just as I have seen people migrate here and leave ORC in droves, it stands to reason that some time in the future the tech will migrate to a new home...

But for the moment, a person just has to be just plain :rainbow: to think the tech is not here :p

there's hardly any knew tech to speak of at ORC .... trust me i know, i was a part of 'The 4x4 web page' that became ORC which i subsequently left ....


- jack

Originally posted by morpheus
ya know, i remember waaayyyy back when the only 4x4 stuff on the internet was rec.autos.4x4 and then the offroad mailing list that stefan roth ran out of ga. tech (maybe he still does) ... :

- jack

the ORML is still alive and well - longest existing 4x4 mailing list anywhere :)

And Jack, I remember "way back when" too - when you put a picture of my truck up on the 4x4webpage (or had it already merged with ORC by then?) and I thought I had died and gone to heaven :p :D ... and that was some time around 1994/1995 :cool2:

Exactly David, that's why I said I be here too. Like the ambience/attitude.:)

WELL SINCE I REGISTERED ...I DONT THINK IVE MISSED A DAY ON HERE.......WELL MAYBE A FEW AT THE CON OR FORDYCE ,,,,,
BUT IF I MISS A DAY I FEEL LIKE I MISS A LOT.....I DONT GO ON OTHER BOARDS AND DONT FEEL I HAVE TOO....THIS BOARD KICKS MAJOR A$$......IT HAS SAVED ME TIME AND $$$ LEARNING FROM OTHER PEOPLE AND I THANK EVERYONE OF YOU FOR POSTING YOUR KNOWLEDGE TO SHARE.....I GUESS SOME PEOPLE DONT GET INTO THEIR HOBBIES HABITS WHATEVER AS DEEP AS THE PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD..... DREAMING ABOUT WHATS NEXT..AND STUFF I CANT AFFORD

POR KICKS BUTT :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :crybaby2: :crybaby2:

Originally posted by DRM


the ORML is still alive and well - longest existing 4x4 mailing list anywhere :)



long live the ORML ...


And Jack, I remember "way back when" too - when you put a picture of my truck up on the 4x4webpage (or had it already merged with ORC by then?) and I thought I had died and gone to heaven :p :D ... and that was some time around 1994/1995 :cool2:

lol ... now that was back in the DAY ...when having a flat bed scanner was the bomb and a digital camera was unheard of. that was on The 4x4 Web Page a year or so before orc ...

- jack

Originally posted by landuseorc
Exactly David, that's why I said I be here too. Like the ambience/attitude.:)

Shoot - I still hit several boards... ORC, 4x4Wire, and a few others included.

I find now-a-days I go back to the Toyota board on ORC to help the new guys, and try to just reply to the posts that may get missed by the others and slip on down the board.

But I skip the general tech stuff now - because after 6 or 7 years of discussing or answering every Toyota tech question known to man on BBS's and mailing lists, I find the atmosphere of "pushing the envelope" here at PBB a refreshing relief from the same-old-same-old I have seen all these years :)

I wouldn't worry about this characters opinion.
Sound like he/she didn't read what he/she couldn't understand....
Tech to him/her is probably confined to Bolt in's and Custom Steering Wheel Installations.
I bet if you did a search on the guy, you would find NO tech advice from him/her exept for how to keep your hand out of your pants in the chit chat forum.
-Kerry;)

all i have to say is this is the best site i have ever found on the internet. if the net was gone tomorrow, all i would miss is POR. since i have found this site i spend 10x as much time as i did before i found it. as for no tech thats a load of shit. there is all the tech you want in and on this board. it may not be right in front of you but the search button is. like was said, this site has some attitude about it, but hey we gotta keep the pussy's and wanna bees out of here somehow. when it comes down to it if yah cant find it hop on the chat or contact someone and usually they are happy to help yah out. POR rules :flipoff2:

Originally posted by DRM

Now I could give several reasons for that, but the main thing I see that PBB has to offer that ORC does not is that PBB can cater to the "rebel" attitude of the sport we all enjoy, while ORC has sold out to commercialization - and that just eats away at a lot of the people in our sport.


I bet there are some that would argue that <i>we</i> have sold out to "commercialization" because of our banner ads, and pop ups.... What can I say, when you grow, sometimes you have to "commercialize" a little. You'd be a FOOL not to.

Not one bit of tech here. I mean where are the arguement over which manufacturers lift is better than whose and whats the best type of hydraulic hood prop!? whats up with that?

Originally posted by DRM

But for the moment, a person just has to be just plain :rainbow: to think the tech is not here :p

David,

I don't get it, are you calling someone a rainbow? :D :flipoff2:

For those of us that are purely into 4x4 and tech, there are plenty of other sites that have "stepped up to the plate" to take POR's place..
this dude must have been looking for info on chrome shocks or changing the air filter on his 2002 taco, this BBS is chock-full of priceless info for anyone that actually builds thier own instead of pasting on chrome crap that sucks.

This is by far the best web site around. Sometimes it can get a little roudy but if you dont like it dont read it. As other said some of the tech stuff does get hard to find. I really like the chevy spring post in the toy section. I think a seperate read only forum that the best articles could get moved to would be very nice. A few months back it started to get bad but has become much better as of recently. I feel most of that had to to with growing pains that seem to now be under control. Continue to do the good work everyone and keep the tech coming.

Matt

The NewBies do post allot of bullshit chit-chat post in gen and toyota section, wish they would show Lance and the bb a little more respect. Lance made the chit-chat for that, so these people would not post in the tech sections. I like chit-chat, in the right section:)

I too used to spend many hours reading and replying to ORC Toyota BBS, it really brought a lot of Toyota groupies together. It was fun to learn about people through the net and then later meet them on the trails in person. One of the problems was that as the list grew there were so many messages that only DRM could read them all! The BBS offered a better format for the same info because you have the post grouped with it's replies. This makes it easier to understand what is being discussed even if you have not read every other post on every other subject. It allows easy access to info, you can scan the current topics, and look at ones that are interesting.

I hit 5 different BBS's each day but spend 90% of my time here because this is where the "real" wheelers hang out. Most other Toyota bbs's talk about IFS lifts and floor mats. Most of these other listers would shit a brick if they saw a real hard core trail.

I used to moderate the ORC BBS and tried to keep it on the topic of hard core wheeling. I left when it became clear that the majority of ORC bbs's were not interested in hitting the hard trails' but rather building poser street rigs. It's clear to me that PBB is made up of mostly guys going after that really tuff trails or die trying them!

I think there is a lot of unnecessary newbe bashing and worthless posts to valid questions but if can ignore the useless posts the content here is far better than any other site.

let me guess it was a toyota guy and i probally offended him by telling him we ( P4x4 ) don't do IFS tech. :D ya thats right i delete most of the how do i crank up my torsion bar posts.

hey, i just thought of a witty metaphor :flipoff2:

PBB is the cool biker bar

and

most other forums are naught but lemonade stands

:D :laughing: ahahahaha

oi, i kill me sometimes

doesn't this thread belong in general chit chat? ;)

There is a lot of tech info here, you just have to wade through some of the other BS to get to it.

It has become a little more JUish, but that is to be expected with the massive growth.

All in all, it is the ONLY thing I pay for on the internet...so that is how highly I value the info.

Lance, Don't sweat the small shit. Not everybody is going to like everything. That's why there are so many different web sites are out that cover pretty much the same subject. If they don't like the way you do it, they can just go someplace else. I'm the worlds worst about worrying about what people think of me, but I've come to realize that you can't please everybody. Just do what you can to please everyone you can and don't sweat the ones you can't. That doesn't mean not to try but just not to get bent out of shape if you can't.

I read this board almost everyday, and try to help people out as much as I can because of the fact that people on this board are mainly Do-it-yourselfers, As I Am! Yes, I get ALOT of business from answering questions on this board, but that's not the reason I do it. I do it because I feel like people on this board appreciate my help and will pass help on to other people that need help.

I don't think this is the perfect site, But I do think it is DAMN good. I, like alot of people, don't like the popups but I'm not going to complain about it because it's a petty thing. I don't like the fact that Brandon isn't here anymore, but that's not my call. I think sometimes people get a little rude with newbies that ask stupid questions. We were all newbies at one time or another. But what the hell, It makes them think and use their brain alittle before they post another stupid question.
What I do like, is that youv'e got a great set of Moderators that actually know what they are talking about and are willing to help everyone no matter how stupid a thing it might be. They ROCK!!!

If you are still worried about tech articles, My offer still stands. I know your still pissed at me, and that's fine. You don't have to like me. I'm sorry I didn't get your stuff to you on time. I still feel bad aout the whole deal. I offered to come to Farmington and install the kit myself, but I was just too late. But that's in the past and I can't do anything about it but to say I'm sorry and it was my bad.
I've offered to pay for a banner and to let you put up a copy of my tech article on steering pump upgrades on several occations and have never gotten a reply from you. I get almost half of my business from you and this board and I think it's a hell of a place to come and get loads and loads of good info and would be glad to contribute back to it. So it's your call.

But don't worry about what other people say about your website or the shit you do. Esspecially if they won't even say it to your face.

Originally posted by TheLakeRat
Lance, Don't sweat the small shit. Not everybody is going to like everything. That's why there are so many different web sites are out that cover pretty much the same subject. If they don't like the way you do it, they can just go someplace else. I'm the worlds worst about worrying about what people think of me, but I've come to realize that you can't please everybody. Just do what you can to please everyone you can and don't sweat the ones you can't. That doesn't mean not to try but just not to get bent out of shape if you can't.

I read this board almost everyday, and try to help people out as much as I can because of the fact that people on this board are mainly Do-it-yourselfers, As I Am! Yes, I get ALOT of business from answering questions on this board, but that's not the reason I do it. I do it because I feel like people on this board appreciate my help and will pass help on to other people that need help.

I don't think this is the perfect site, But I do think it is DAMN good. I, like alot of people, don't like the popups but I'm not going to complain about it because it's a petty thing. I don't like the fact that Brandon isn't here anymore, but that's not my call. I think sometimes people get a little rude with newbies that ask stupid questions. We were all newbies at one time or another. But what the hell, It makes them think and use their brain alittle before they post another stupid question.
What I do like, is that youv'e got a great set of Moderators that actually know what they are talking about and are willing to help everyone no matter how stupid a thing it might be. They ROCK!!!

If you are still worried about tech articles, My offer still stands. I know your still pissed at me, and that's fine. You don't have to like me. I'm sorry I didn't get your stuff to you on time. I still feel bad aout the whole deal. I offered to come to Farmington and install the kit myself, but I was just too late. But that's in the past and I can't do anything about it but to say I'm sorry and it was my bad.
I've offered to pay for a banner and to let you put up a copy of my tech article on steering pump upgrades on several occations and have never gotten a reply from you. I get almost half of my business from you and this board and I think it's a hell of a place to come and get loads and loads of good info and would be glad to contribute back to it. So it's your call.

But don't worry about what other people say about your website or the shit you do. Esspecially if they won't even say it to your face.

Woah hey Matt, I ain't pissed at ya... I was bummed at the time, but I sure as heck ain't pissed at anyone. As for ignoring emails, I am an equal opportunity offender - I ignore everyone's emails! :D I simply get too many of them. A tech article would be GREAT. And I don't need/want any of your money. Just hook us up with a kick ass article!

Originally posted by mike
Not one bit of tech here. I mean where are the arguement over which manufacturers lift is better than whose and whats the best type of hydraulic hood prop!? whats up with that?

Okay Mike this is getting scary. You and I are thinking alike WAY too much.

Here's the way I look at it. My Scout was on Dana 27's and pizza cutter street tires when I first found this place. Now, it's something that isn't much fun to drive on the road cause I've done so much to make it for harder core stuff. But, I'm happy about it and almost go orgazmic when I think about getting a 60 in the front (something I passes up before I found this site back in '97). I look at it this way. If I want to know about hardcore or bullet proof stuff, I either do a search here or ask a question. If I need a new hydrallic shock thingy that holds up the rear glass in my Bronco II, I go somewhere else.

Oh, and the BIG thing you need to remember Lance, is that FOTR was founded directly from the work we did on this site. If any one group of people should be credited with saving the 'con is should be all of us here at PBB ;)

If it wasn't for this BBS, I would still be bustin birfs and armore all'n my 35's after going to Hollister:eek:

I would still think CAMO was a pattern, not one of my Best wheelin buds(even though I would have more $$$ in m;y bank account, gotta keep up w/da jones')

would think a TIN BENDER was a sheet metal worker(we kinda are)

Lance would still be a camper

and would have never been able invision breaking my rig repetadly and Laughing while I fix it

HARD CORE tech and cool wheelin buddies

and havin some guy in a 4X4 givin me the :flipoff2: would never have ment so much

I LOVE THIS BBS:rasta:

now lets go bust some $h!t up:nuke:

Keep the good stuff going, I've paid my $20, cause it was worth the $! I have gotten more help, and more ideas from the site, that all of the others combined! My one complaint, is that this site cost me too much $ in modifications! It reminds be of sitting around the fire place, and shooting the bull, getting the tech help, and the lighter side chat!

Keep it going!!!

porn? damn. no need to go anywhere besides por then? I'm still a newbie, I check out the toy and general sections at least once a day and I learn something new about that often. por kicks ass.

i for one am not happy with this board i'm building a 70 fj 40 and my bitch is now with the help of this board i see that i can put in a dozen or so axles from 44's to 60's reverse cut, rockwells then the motor well that can be anything under the sun and same for the tranny auto vs. stick and then the transfer case to use a double atlas or not. full cage vs exo-cage to tub or not to tub. woow to many options.

and this is a bad thing because........



yeah there is alot of bullshit on this board it is called chit chat i have been to other sites but i feel with almost 9k in members there is always some one who has built it, seen it or thinking of it. all one has to do is either search or post a topic and some of the replies i've seen are home brew and some are just plain scary but then there are a few that i'm doing and haved saved hundreds of dollars by doing it myself.:D

to all people who think this board sucks:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Lance,

I have read similar comments about this message board on a couple of other message boards. In those cases the people had just skimmed over the topics without actually getting into the meat of the discussion. Is it possible that the person who wrote that message did the same thing?

This BB is like no other. Like I have said before it has the feel of sitting around the campfire bullshitting with a few good friends and a few people you've just met. You have to sit back for a sec and see what is going on before jumping in with a comment or advice. There is a lot of great tech on this board. Some of it has been diluted because there are so many members but there is nothing that you can do about that. The site has to change as it grows or it will die. As far as chit chat, there is a lot of good info in there too. We have phylosophical, idiological and moral discussions all the time. If you avoid the intentionally inflamatory threads there is not much that is truly offensive.

One thing that I did notice was that the signal to noise ratio went way up when you started that job where you were on the road. That is understandable because it is hard to keep on top of ordinary things when you are in a hotel room let alone this ever expanding message board. Things have vastly improved since you are no longer on the road.

For what it's worth, the pirate4x4.com message board is more welcoming and friendly than a whole bunch of others out there.

The only thing that I would like to see different is to get the upsidedown jeep smilie back. :) And it would be nice to upload more than one pic at a time but that's piddly shit.

I'd better shutup now before one of my fellow club members (who shall remain nameless;)... JeepBum) tells me again that I talk too much. :D

if you don't want an accellerated learning curve don't come here.

i've been into 4x4's for only 2 years. i bought my first truck 1 1/2 years ago. i read magazines and though about what i wanted to do to buid up my toyota. i surfed the net for a long time until i found pirate 4x4. and the first time i started reading for about a week. it was awesome i never knew you could do all these things to trucks. i though peoples suspensions were broken at first!:eek: :flipoff2: (i was a newbie :flipoff2: )

but i know more about how to build a truck then the guys in town from reading here. i decided to go to school so i could learn to weld. and build some sweet stuff.

all the other sites are "soft" porn. this place is hard core 4x4 porn!:D i hate all the other sites. "what lowering blocks for my 2001 chevy silverado?":mad3: retard the man upstairs made trucks for the dirt and cars for pavemant:smokin:

anyway this place is awesome! :mad2: :nuke: :smokin: :flipoff2:

9,424 people cant be wrong. thats no fluke its a fact there is no better place for the info that matters.

Yeah, come to think of it.. with 9,424 folks on this board these days (man I can remember when it was easily under a couple hundred... :eek: ) if they dont like it, we dont need em :skull:

Where else can you go and get into a heated arguement about antisquat and rear steer???? ehhhh anyone???

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I have a question for all you techies........Which would be the best radio to put in my jeep, I'm thinking about even putting in a FM stereo. How do I hook up the extra speaker:question:


I have a request Lance, how about a tech board on promoting RCC's......I think there are alot of guys out there that need help:D :D :D :D

Rich

I think this board has the largest collection of professional fabricators, mechanics etc. than anywhere else. I like the fact that I can come here and BS, get my questions answered and have the opportunity to once in a blue moon help someone out with my limited knowledge. You have Gearman, Eric from Fat City, the guys from SNORT, Tin Bender, Toy Tech (Ex Toyota Technician now doing experimental stuff), And I apologize to anyone that I've left out. The Aussies show up to make us drool over their superior LandCruiser options and you can always find someone to go wheelin with. ;)

There is not one time I don't come on the PBB and learn something....

I for one am grateful to the BB for bring'n ALOT of new people into my life. I bet I've personal'y met several hundred people from here that share the same passion for this sport that I do. All of them awsome people.

IMHO, the only dumb question, is the one unask'd.

chit chat does provide the entertaiment.
But I can't believe that the tech value that "they" say has no value. Thats the job of J.U. :eek:

Originally posted by Frosty4x
If it wasn't for this BBS, I would still be bustin birfs and armore all'n my 35's after going to Hollister:eek:

I would still think CAMO was a pattern, not one of my Best wheelin buds(even though I would have more $$$ in m;y bank account, gotta keep up w/da jones')

would think a TIN BENDER was a sheet metal worker(we kinda are)

Lance would still be a camper

and would have never been able invision breaking my rig repetadly and Laughing while I fix it

HARD CORE tech and cool wheelin buddies

and havin some guy in a 4X4 givin me the :flipoff2: would never have ment so much

I LOVE THIS BBS:rasta:

now lets go bust some $h!t up:nuke:

Frosty4x summed it up.
And that's a big 10-4 on having more money in my bank account:D :flipoff2:

This bb is filled with more tech and knowledgeable people then any place I have ever found. I don't know how many times I have been talking to friends about a problem, a new mod, or a new part that I didn't say have you searched Pirates? Or I would ask, Do you want me to post this question for you. I say this because I know the question will be answered and 80% of the time if won't be from a web wheeler. I will get a response from some one that has 1st hand knowledge of my question. This is one hell of a site and if you can't find Tech here you might need to sale your rig. :flipoff2:

Pirate BB I salute you

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Originally posted by camo
let me guess it was a toyota guy and i probally offended him by telling him we ( P4x4 ) don't do IFS tech. :D ya thats right i delete most of the how do i crank up my torsion bar posts.

Camo gets my vote to mod. the jeep tech section...I ask dumb, or simple questions every now and again, but goddamn theres a lot in the jeep section. Here of late, I feel like I logged on to another jeep site by accident. I don't feel the site sucks because of it though, I just visit there less...:D

this site rocks i have got a lot of great info from it. and have dished out plenty of good info also. this site is for the fabricator wheeler, that is into the hard core end of wheeling. i build about verything myself. i have been building race cars to race guns to 4x for the last 20+ years. and this is the only site i hit often because of the level of expertise. i don't give a shit about a bolt on 8" lift, so we are in a different catagory than 80%+ of the wheelers out there. and that is where i want to be. keep it up lance and don't let some :rainbow: fire road running wimp say otherwise. and make you do a double take on what you know

Originally posted by Lance


I bet there are some that would argue that <i>we</i> have sold out to "commercialization" because of our banner ads, and pop ups.... What can I say, when you grow, sometimes you have to "commercialize" a little. You'd be a FOOL not to.

No, there is a difference in taking the steps necessary to pay the bills, and trying to make mega $$$$ off your readership.

Have you looked at ORC lately? Freaking animated ads in every possible inch of the screen! :mad3:

All I visit is their BBS any more, the rest is just advertisements. Shoot, they could care less abotu anything but desert racing from the looks of things over there!

Here's my $0.02

I've been a member here for a while and although I don't post much, I do still spend a fair amount of time over here. The biggerst problem I have is the mob mentality that comes with this board. When you meet someone on the trail for the first time and they are doing the best they have with what they got, you don't look at em and say FA***** NEWBIE and walk off, you try and help. Sure they aren't running 60's and 38" swamps, but they are trying and learning. The time to call them an idiot comes later. Sure, there are some questions that DON'T need to be asked over here, but there are some that just get blasted cause they have only one post. Tempers flair way too often, people get upset, and whatever the latest bashing is, people jump all over it. I've really got only one other BBS that I frequent and it has also grown to the point that I can't even begin to look at all the posts.

PBB has it's place, there is no doubt about that, but it has changed alot. I'm pretty sure that if I see one more group by on anything I'm gonna :barf: but that is the nature of the beast.

As for the red star thing, honestly, I can't afford it. I still post pics, but I link them from another website, which in all honesty, I think helps out a little anyway and I would hope that more people would do this rather than uploading if possible. Makes things a little easier on the site.

I agree with alot of what Slick posted, but fortunatly I'm on DSL and don't often mess with Chit Chat. Frankly, I don't have much use for it. I'm glad it got seperated out from General. Now I would like to have more Chevy stuff, but we'll jut have to see on that one.

Well to each their own I guess. If they guy choses to go to Chit chat and look for tech...that's his loss. I find plenty of tech around here. Hell if it weren't for this page, I would be lost the other half the time.

Don't worry about it Lance. If they don't like the page, no one is forcing them to look at it. :D

Slick I see all our replies to your statement are different then if we had read what you posted in the context that u posted it:)after reading that I can't dissagree.read what I wrote on that thread.

in case it escaped your guys attention , Lance did not post the users name. he simply read something that sparked some curiosity and chose to ask a question to satisfy his own intrest. so back to the question: does P4x4 have enuff tech or to much bullshit. i am now asking the same question since i am one of the people that can control that i am looking for your opinion. i don't really care where the original post came from or who wrote it. the question has been asked and the answers will help shape how i do my job as moderator.

i am with seabass, after reading your other post. i do agree with a lot of what you had written

Originally posted by camo
does P4x4 have enuff tech or to much bullshit.
Yes - The tech section have tons of Tech info.

Bullshit - Isn't BS apart of wheeling. I mean, some of the enjoyment I get from wrenching or wheelin with friends is the BS. It's apart of it to me. Look at the Con. Don't you guys have a rock called ”Hecklers Rock” at little Sluice? Is that BS or is it called for when you’re wheelin? We are not wearing ties and having meetings about this. This is supposed to be fun:D


Maybe I have it all wrong but this is my opinion.

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Originally posted by camo
in case it escaped your guys attention , Lance did not post the users name. he simply read something that sparked some curiosity and chose to ask a question to satisfy his own intrest. so back to the question: does P4x4 have enuff tech or to much bullshit. i am now asking the same question since i am one of the people that can control that i am looking for your opinion. i don't really care where the original post came from or who wrote it. the question has been asked and the answers will help shape how i do my job as moderator.

The only thing that interfere's with the Tech talk on the General side are the scheduling of trail runs, pics from trail runs, welcome me BS and Goat mass buys.

I may sound kinda off on this one, but that too me isn't really tech, thats story time. I still like to look on occasion, but tech to me is nuts, bolts, and grease.

Originally posted by camo
in case it escaped your guys attention , Lance did not post the users name. he simply read something that sparked some curiosity and chose to ask a question to satisfy his own intrest. so back to the question: does P4x4 have enuff tech or to much bullshit. i am now asking the same question since i am one of the people that can control that i am looking for your opinion. i don't really care where the original post came from or who wrote it. the question has been asked and the answers will help shape how i do my job as moderator.

<FONT COLOR="Red"> Inthe tech forums where I see real and decent questions posted, people will reply with an answer(which is good) then turn around and submit another post like:

":flipoff2: WELCOME NEWBIE :flipoff2:"

That is where I beg to differ in the flamimg of newbies. I don't mind the way Seabass flames newbies, because he doesn't do it without a reason. He nails 'em for double posting, failing to search, etc. and that is all good. It just that it's now become "fasionable" to flame someone for just being new.... That I don't agree with. </FONT c>

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First of all if anyone that thinks there isn't any good tech info on this board they can come look at my FJ. If it wasn't for this board it would still be running the stock 3-speed, sprung-under and 4 wheel drum brakes on 33" BFG's.
As for the "you suck" :flipoff2: exchange I think that is due to something that most boards wish they had. That exchange is from a true friendship grown over time among the members.
And if you're too stuck up to enjoy a laugh once and a while and want everything to be all business all the time then go back to work. :flipoff2:

Not much to be said except "Open your eyes"
There's so much info on here .
The larger a board gets the more fluff will come in but that DOES NOT take away from what this board is really about
Nothing is perfect, you can only come close :D

Originally posted by landuseorc
Lance, how about a rather unique view. As you can tell by my sig, I work for the biggest OHV mag in the world (right near 2 million readers a month), and I've been using their bbs for years. I've been checking this one out for a couple years, never bothered to sign up till recently. I like the ORC Jeep bbs, its got a lot of good tech info, unlike JU, etc. But , now doubt about it, this bbs rocks, and has great tech info to boot. I like both, they are very different from each other. And I think that guy that wrote that post must be new, I'm new but I guess a lot thicker skinned. Ignore such trash, the POR bbs is at the top of the type of bbs it is.:cool:

just because I know the odds this would ever get published in a magazine if I wrote in, I gotta say it here!


your spelling of the word now - in the sentence "now doubt about it" is whacked dude!!

I hope you are not an editor

hahaha


Lance this board teaches alot of PROS new things, some of the best techs that I know come here when stumped - that is all I am gonna say!

Pirate has tons of great tech. Unfortunately you have to wade through too much bullshit to get to it. A good tech topic will start then devolve into a flame thread or some cliquish banter and in between those 20 posts there might be one good one.

IMHO Pirate is a victim of its own success. Everyone wants to be a "Pirate" and everyone's copping attitude, yet probably 75% of the people here are Johnny-come-lately internet swagger wheelers. You've got +9000 people registered and maybe 250 of them provide consistent, solid tech. Coming from a lurker(w/ IFS no less;)), take this FWIW.

Camo, as a Toyota fan, I wish you'd get out the machete and hack the shit outta the Toy Forum, it's comical how so many threads get so far OT they belong in Chit Chat. Manage DRM too, he does not help the Toy Forum w/ his inflammatory posts and the endless arguments that are OT.

I dont' say this as a competitor, but as a fan and reader of Pirate.

Pirate has tons of great tech. Unfortunately you have to wade through too much bullshit to get to it.I LIKE humor with my tech!:flipoff2:

Originally posted by little_joe
Camo, as a Toyota fan, I wish you'd get out the machete and hack the shit outta the Toy Forum, it's comical how so many threads get so far OT they belong in Chit Chat. Manage DRM too, he does not help the Toy Forum w/ his inflammatory posts and the endless arguments that are OT.

I dont' say this as a competitor, but as a fan and reader of Pirate.

Hey Joe, we don't want some sterilized envorinment like you have over on 4x4Wire... You guys keep it so tight I think I think a bunch of nuns run it.

Tech in the Toy section has a healthy mix of conversation thrown in. That is why it blows the doors off your 4x4WSire tech board, as well as all the others. Idle chatter is part of our sport, and stripping that out of the tech completely makes for a ((yawn)) boring read.

That being said, my OT stuff is in Chit-Chat, not the Toy section. If you think otherwise, step up and feel free to post links of the posts of mine that "offend you". Otherwise, I take it as a generalized comment without subtance whatsoever.

No, I think you are basing your statement on LONG PAST times... And I will admit a while back I was letting the OT stuff drag on in the Toyota section.. but I know I have reigned myself in about that, and I haven't seen a problem in a long, long time. As a mnatter of fact, I think the atmosphere in the Toy section here at PBB has been pretty good lately.

Camo, as a Toyota fan, I wish you'd get out the machete and hack the shit outta the Toy Forum, it's comical how so many threads get so far OT they belong in Chit Chat. Manage DRM too, he does not help the Toy Forum w/ his inflammatory posts and the endless arguments that are OT.

You know, the more I think about this, the more I am left wondering :confused:

Little Joe, honestly - just what do you think about the way you run a board (like 4x4Wire) is better than how we run the Toy section here?

Because I sure see a heck of a lot more HARDCORE TECH being posted here (that is what this place is about after all), and I see a heck of a lot more traffic than 4x4Wire has on any give day...

Yes, I visit and post to 4x4Wire's tech board - so I know what goes on in both places.

So honestly, what part exactly would you change here? Go look on the board RIGHT NOW, spend some time reading the threads, and come back with specific examples of what to change, not just general comments. I am serious - just like Camo said - say what you think should be changed, we want to know :)

I feel there is plenty of tech on here, just the chit chat boards are getting a little carried away, i know, if you don't like, don't look, i don't look at a lot of the threads, but when i do, i can see the chit chat is going crazy over there
no more bad jokes either, Before you post a joke, think about? is it funny? more often then not, NO, it was here 3 days ago :P

Originally posted by Lance

As for who posted that, and where, it's not important.

Nothing but class man, nothing but class.

Hell of a board too!


I say :beer: :beer: :beer: :beer: for everyone!

This should not turn into a 4x4wire vs PBB thread....I do hit 4x4wire every day, but their Cruiser following is quite small. They entertain a different type of wheeler and they report to a different type of host....PBB is club related, and beholden only to it's members/host. 4x4wire is more commercialized and therefore needs to maintain tighter controls to not offend.

I forget if it was on this thread or on the one Slick started, but a comment was made about a "1st stop" tech link. I know I've compiled nearly every Cruiser related tech resource I could find on my site, has any other section discovered a source like that?? (I've had no luck getting it "played" on the Cruiser board tho...)

Personally, I'm careful to not post just for the sake of posting, tho it does occasionally happen. I DO hit Chit-Chat, but rarely do I contribute. Overall, I believe PBB does a good job of keeping things on topic. I've always been curious if those who post and flame so readily are the same in person.....perhaps I DON'T want to find that out! :D

The only people on the board that drive me nuts are those here ONLY for Chit-Chat....even if you lurk other boards and learn, that's fine. But posting 100% on Chit-Chat is a waste of the server and a disservice to what I believe the PBB is intended to be.

Originally posted by DRM
Little Joe, honestly - just what do you think about the way you run a board (like 4x4Wire) is better than how we run the Toy section here?

Where in my post did I compare Pirate to 4x4Wire, assert or imply one was better than the other, or suggest one was managed better than the other?

Yes, exactly: I did not compare, period. Reread my unedited post if that isn't crystal clear to you.

If you truly reigned in your posts on the Toy Board here, congratulations. I quit reading that forum often b/c of the senseless OT arguments and non-stop flaming, so perhaps my comments are based on past times, as you suggested. I will read it more regularly now and revisit my comments; and provide any feedback to you and Camo.

<edited "inflammatory" words:p>Woody is 100000% correct. This is not about comparing sites, they are very different and serve distinct niches. I have asked people on 4x4Wire to respect Pirate and what you guys have going on, and I expect the same in return.</edit>

Originally posted by little_joe
Typical DRM.:rasta: Where in my post did I compare Pirate to 4x4Wire, assert or imply one was better than the other, or suggest one was managed better than the other?

Yes, exactly: I did not compare, period. Reread my unedited post if that isn't crystal clear to you. I'm sure you'll twist it around anyway, yawn.

Joe, I brought it up based on simple logic.

Fact: You help run the 4x4Wire Toyota board.
Fact: You think we could do things to improve the Toytota board here.

Assumption: If you think we can make improvements here, I would only have to assume you have already made those improvements to your own board, or else you would not be offering advice for us to change things you yourself have not implemented.

So I ask again (and I would *really* like to know) - what do you think you have implemented on your own board that you think we should also implement here?

Seems like a straight forward question to me... guess you don't see it that way....


If you truly reigned in your posts on the Toy Board here, congratulations. I quit reading that forum often b/c of the senseless OT arguments and non-stop flaming, so perhaps my comments are based on past times, as you suggested. I will read it more regularly now and revisit my comments. [/QUOTE]

Thought so. And it is ill informed comments like you did make that are the root of half the perceived PBB problems that are aired on other boards...

Assumption: If you think we can make improvements here, I would only have to assume you have already made those improvements to your own board, or else you would not be offering advice for us to change things you yourself have not implemented.

Well there's your problem, David. You assumed and you mistakingly applied your logic to this to overstate my position.

I did not (am not, will not) compare the boards! You guys have a totally different audience; a different culture; different management style; different backgrounds. I respect that and realize the boards shouldn't be run the same.

Can we learn from one another? I dunno, but I kind of doubt it. There isn't really anything similar, except we're both on the internet.

So I ask again (and I would *really* like to know) - what do you think you have implemented on your own board that you think we should also implement here?

Absolutely nothing. Is that any more clear to you?

Seems like a straight forward question to me... guess you don't see it that way....

On the contrary, David, I've answered that several times in each post (read with a clear head, not with what you want to think I am saying). You are putting more into this than is there. Calm down, it's not personal.

Little Joe - I am not taking this personal, so you don't have to worry about that ;)

But when you come in here, make FALSE claims about the tone of the Toyota board then admit you have not even visited it in a while, I think that shows where you are coming from.

Then, you claim we need to make improvements to the board, yet still will not offer what those improvements should be :confused:

My point simply is if you intend to come in here and point our our problems, then you need to be POSITIVE and make specific suggestions for improvements, otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time by merely complaining :(

Cheese and rice Joe and DRM. Please take it to chit chat or something if you're going to argue. I don't think this thread is the place to do it ;)

Originally posted by Curtis
Cheese and rice Joe and DRM. Please take it to chit chat or something if you're going to argue. I don't think this thread is the place to do it ;)

lol - already settled via email, but thanks for watching out Curtis ;)

And to offer the same question to anyone else - feel free to make suggestions on HOW to improve things, not just that you think they need to be improved :)

wowa, I just read the last three pages and there is some interesting stuff! Anyway that post originated on my web page but that does not mean I run some sort of site that is against pirate4x4 in any way! I was a part of this web site for a long time and I left my mark thoughout the site. This site rocks, no doubt about it. To this day I have NEVER clicked on one of the stupid pop ups or banners but whatever works. If I wanted I could use a banner blocker program and cure that. I am not saying I will never pitch in my $20 but I got a club debt to pay off along with a lot of other stuff first.

Personally I think every board out there has a personality to it, which is why I pretty much visit them all :D

It's all good, I'd like to see more of the tech from the board converted to the bible and articles but I know that takes time so it probably won't happen.. Right now. If this site keeps growing I am sure it will. I'd like to see the calendar used more, etc...

This is a kick ass site, but it isn't the only site - or the only BBS (http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/BBSlinks/links.cgi?action=view_cat&category=1) . Lance - thanks for all of your work on this site, keep it up. Best of luck to you and the club, you deserve a lot of recognition for all this and it is about time you got it!

Originally posted by Brandon
Personally I think every board out there has a personality to it, which is why I pretty much visit them all :D

Exactly :cool2:

Thats a bunch of shit. The reason i started coming here was that many of the things i wanted to do to my truck had never been done on an isuzu. I came here because there is so much tech on everything. After a year of hanging out at the 4x4wire isuzu forums i learned what could be done with isuzu parts and who makes what for them, but there just wasn't enough info there for me to learn how to do what i wanted to do, and there wasn't enough info on what parts to use. Now i hang out on both boards, tho mostly only go there to get the isuzu specific info for trail runs and things like that.

Dallas

Originally posted by Tin Bender
There is not one time I don't come on the PBB and learn something....

I for one am grateful to the BB for bring'n ALOT of new people into my life. I bet I've personal'y met several hundred people from here that share the same passion for this sport that I do. All of them awsome people.

IMHO, the only dumb question, is the one unask'd.


awsome tech.... and how else would i of met people like this :bender: fawker.... :flipoff2:

now, i have alot of reasons to hit the western trails...... to hook up and wheel with all you pbb fawkers :flipoff2:


ahhh it is such a passion i must say.......

Originally posted by Kyle89K5
and Goat mass buys.

Obviously you missed the point of the Goat group buy thread. It was a not so subtle way of saying that some of us were getting sick of the group buy threads. My opinion on group buys is that you should just go out and research your own shit and buy what you need on your own.

Im sure he is some dumbass poser that asked a lot of stupid questions with out doing a search or anything and got shot down by everyone that know their shit so now he is bent on this board because his feelings were hurt

Originally posted by Jimyrigdfj
Im sure he is some dumbass poser that asked a lot of stupid questions with out doing a search or anything and got shot down by everyone that know their shit so now he is bent on this board because his feelings were hurt

<FONT COLOR="Red"> And I guess you're just an idiot with poor reading comprehension skills?..:laughing::laughing::laughing:

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Originally posted by Jimyrigdfj
Im sure he is some dumbass poser that asked a lot of stupid questions with out doing a search or anything and got shot down by everyone that know their shit so now he is bent on this board because his feelings were hurt
well if your newbie ass had read this whole thread, u would see it was Slick[not a dumbass] and the link to what he said.....who looks like a fool here buddie:flipoff2:

You guys quit picking on goats.

Do you ever hear of "BUDWEISER" comparing themselves to any other brand beer....No you dont, or COKE comparing themselves to PEPSI ? ...No you dont, because the best dont have to compare, they sell themselves. NUFF SAID!!!

Originally posted by Paul Gagnon


Obviously you missed the point of the Goat group buy thread. It was a not so subtle way of saying that some of us were getting sick of the group buy threads. My opinion on group buys is that you should just go out and research your own shit and buy what you need on your own.

Dang Paul, I grabbed the irony of the Goat mass buy thread. That was a comical addition to my post, although prb. not a good joke, but a joke none the less. That is why I have a reference to a mass buy in my sig. I don't like to get in on mass buys, I like to spend the time talking to the folks myself and give them my money for me. Don't like having someone else "coordinate" it all.

i'm a newbe, so what do i know, but...
i think this board is great, but there is no way i could get all the tech i want on one board.
for example, if i tried to figure out what rear springs to run on my XJ on this forum, either by searching or by posting, i wouldnt get anywhere, that's what NAXJA (a small XJ only forum) and (GASP!) JU are for. but on the other hand, i love reading about link suspention, 60s 60s 60s, and other hardcore shit that will never go on the rig i'm building, but i'm learning, and when i have the funds to build a trail only vehicle, i will have more info than i could ever imaging finding on one of the the "other" boards.
and the :flipoff2: newbe bashing is good. if it werent for that then this would start to turn into another JU.

You mean this isn't the mall cruiser's forum?
Damn now where am I going to get the best advice on big narly tires for the street that don't make noise? I may not post alot but this site rocks and has all the info I need. I don't have to post stupid questions like I do on the other boards cuz all the questions are answered here in terms people can understand. Keep up the good work guys! Later, jake

Oh and the porn... I thought this was a "Hardcore Site"

Death to Mall cruisers.... :flipoff2:

There are thigs i like on this board and things well- i don't- that's america boys - Lance You have the most happening tech board on the net! if you can't stand the stuff in between then don't look! :D :usa: Jess

I've been to many a 4x4 sites in the web, and this one has the most hard-core tech around. Personally, I love reading tech stuff, but don't put most of it too practical use, because well, I have a TJ with a fair amount of bolt on parts and a lot of the stuff here is out of my league, so I dont usually post my questions here. I guess cause I'm more into the wheeling aspect then the building aspect of off-roading. I thinnk Lance is doint a kick-ass job running this site he puts a lot more time into it that Chris does at JU. Yea some of the moderators I think have a little bit of a god complex, but that goes with the position. Yea, the popups are annoying too, but I chose not to pay the $$$ to get rid of them, so I deal with it. I think people are just easily offended by the atitude here, but screw em cause their missin out.

Attitude? Here? What the hell are you talking about you bolt on queen, poser?? :flipoff2:

Lance and Camo,

You asked....so I'll answer.

My opinion.

Yes, there is lots of great hardcore homebrew tech.

Yes, sometimes you have to wade through quit a lot of noise to find it. And as more of a helper than asker.....I find it a bit annoying at times, but not annoying enough yet to drive me away...although the signal to noise ratio has pretty much driven me from the Jeep section to just general 4x4.

That said...the 'personality" of the board is part of its appeal, at least to many.

BUT...one thing I can not stand...I really hate...is the rampant homophobia and homosexual slurs. I don't know how it originated, and I'm sure most is "supposed" to be a joke. But frankly I'm really suprised it's tolerated.

But just like racism and sexism...it's not funny, it's not cool, it's ignorant, hateful, and ugly. I look at it the same way as if we had a BBS where it was fashionable to insult people and make jokes calling each other nigger, or spic, or cracker.....it aint pretty is it.

I'm sure some brilliant wit will just say "Hey man...you're a fag" or something equally brilliant...whatever, the Admin and the membership will decide what's acceptable,,,,that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by FearMe
Attitude? Here? What the hell are you talking about you bolt on queen, poser?? :flipoff2:

And I forgot, your :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

With all that said it seems to me that PBB kicks ass over all others!!!!!