Hey gun nuts! Got one of these?

[Tom Boyd]

22 conversion kit (http://www.22lrconversions.com/ber-pg.htm)

What do you know about them? How do you like yours if you've got one? :noappropriatesmilie:

[SilverZuk]

I have friend that has/had the exact same kit.
He said he used it once, and decided that he would rather shoot 9mm in his pistol and never used it again.

He said if he wanted to shoot a 22, he would shoot his 22 pistols

[braxton357]

I have friend that has/had the exact same kit.
He said he used it once, and decided that he would rather shoot 9mm in his pistol and never used it again.

He said if he wanted to shoot a 22, he would shoot his 22 pistols

That's JUST what I was thinking. If you wanted to shoot 22 rounds why spend 500 on a pistol then 250 more on a conversion kit when you can get a freakin target 22 pistol for 250. Just to be badass lookin I guess.


:edit: You can easily find 9mm rounds for 9.99/box of 100. After 100 rounds you aren't going to be wanting to shoot anymore...I just don't see the point.

[Tom Boyd]

You can easily find 9mm rounds for 9.99/box of 100. After 100 rounds you aren't going to be wanting to shoot anymore...I just don't see the point.

I generally shoot over 300 rouonds at the range. The only 22 pistol I own is a single action revolver. I thought it might be fun to shoot 22 out of my beretta, but it certainly wouldn't even *look* badass. :p

[SilverZuk]

I buy 9mm for $6 for 50, and usually buy them by the thousand.
I would be in the poor house if I had to pay $9.99.

[Todd W]

I buy 9mm for $6 for 50, and usually buy them by the thousand.
I would be in the poor house if I had to pay $9.99.

Did you not read the post? $9.99 for a box of 100, you pay $6 for 50, so you are paying more than that... :flipoff2:

[MattS]

That's JUST what I was thinking. If you wanted to shoot 22 rounds why spend 500 on a pistol then 250 more on a conversion kit when you can get a freakin target 22 pistol for 250. Just to be badass lookin I guess.


:edit: You can easily find 9mm rounds for 9.99/box of 100. After 100 rounds you aren't going to be wanting to shoot anymore...I just don't see the point.

I'd do it because I have a ton of $$ in my H&K .40 already so why buy another gun. But they don't make one for mine. :(

[braxton357]

I buy 9mm for $6 for 50, and usually buy them by the thousand.
I would be in the poor house if I had to pay $9.99.


Pssst...100/2=50 10/2=5 6>5 (remember--alligator mouth eats the bigger number). :flipoff2:


Seriously though, the 9mm IS a compromise gun. It's big enough to be able to say "I could possibly hurt someone if I get a good shot" yet small enough to say " you can buy ammo for me cheaply and shoot me all day without being sore, you limp wristed pansy-german sympathizer". :flipoff2: So go buy a .45 or larger, then buy a 22 semi-auto of some sort and have the best of both worlds instead. :flipoff2:

[SilverZuk]

Pssst...100/2=50 10/2=5 6>5 (remember--alligator mouth eats the bigger number). :flipoff2:


Seriously though, the 9mm IS a compromise gun. It's big enough to be able to say "I could possibly hurt someone if I get a good shot" yet small enough to say " you can buy ammo for me cheaply and shoot me all day without being sore, you limp wristed pansy-german sympathizer". :flipoff2: So go buy a .45 or larger, then buy a 22 semi-auto of some sort and have the best of both worlds instead. :flipoff2:

You calling me a pansy?
I may not be a mathematician, but I ain't no pansy - you want me to use my little ole 9mm on you?
That's what I thought :flipoff2:

Ballistically, a 9mm is identical to a 45 ACP. All non-magnum pistol cartridges are marginal in my book. They are designed to hit center of mass at 25 yards which will effectively stop 99.5% of attackers.

On that note (I wish I would have saved the article) here are some interesting statistics that I read:

98% of altercations are diffused when a gun is pulled
90% of altercations that shots are fired, no one is injured
95% of people injured in these altercations are non-fatally wounded

I don't remember the exact numbers but you get the point.
Since you are the mathematician, you figure out what the chances of fatally shooting someone in an altercation. :D

[Napoleon047]

an uncle of mine has one for a colt 1911, he got the pistol for $45 and the kit used for dirt cheap as well. its useful for just plinking or teaching kids to shoot, etc

[MonsterGM]

[QUOTE=braxton357]That's JUST what I was thinking. If you wanted to shoot 22 rounds why spend 500 on a pistol then 250 more on a conversion kit when you can get a freakin target 22 pistol for 250. Just to be badass lookin I guess.[QUOTE]

You're missing the point. If you own a 9mm and want to get a feel for the gun and become very proficient at operating it, it will take practice. With that said, it will be easier and cheaper to convert to .22, rather than popping off 9mm rounds all day. And in the end, you're still handling and pointing the 9mm. Now yes that only applies to the highly serious gun nut, but that's not to say it doesn't serve a purpose. I mean, which would you rather fire all day long:

[Sully]

You're missing the point. If you own a 9mm and want to get a feel for the gun and become very proficient at operating it, it will take practice. With that said, it will be easier and cheaper to convert to .22, rather than popping off 9mm rounds all day. And in the end, you're still handling and pointing the 9mm. Now yes that only applies to the highly serious gun nut, but that's not to say it doesn't serve a purpose. I mean, which would you rather fire all day long:

And you are going to become proficient with a gun that handles, and shoots differently than it will when you need those skills and it's loaded with a real round.

The kits are a waste in my opinion.

Get a .22 pistol. Practice shooting the shit out of it to learn good shooting habits and skills. Take it wheeling with you as a snake gun.

Then spend the money on real ammo for your carry-gun. Learn to shoot that the way it is supposed to be shot. When you need to use it, it will handle exactly like it is supposed to, and exactly like you are used to.

[Keyster]

I have the Marvel conversion for a 1911.
It works better than I do.

Why?
Why not?

K.

[mike]

"I could possibly hurt someone if I get a good shot"


Tell ya what, you can volunteer to stop a much more accurate triple tap with a 9mm while your still dealing with that magnum ;)

[NotQuiteSane]

That's JUST what I was thinking. If you wanted to shoot 22 rounds why spend 500 on a pistol then 250 more on a conversion kit when you can get a freakin target 22 pistol for 250. Just to be badass lookin I guess.

Because the conversion kit is legally not a fire arm, in some jursisdictions here and abroad, it's easier to obtain vs another firearm

NQS

[braxton357]

Because the conversion kit is legally not a fire arm, in some jursisdictions here and abroad, it's easier to obtain vs another firearm

NQS


Just wondering if you had a reason for it other than the typical of my friends "I just wasted $700 that pistol 'cause it looked cool". And around here it would truthfully be cheaper to just go buy a target .22.

MonsterGM, you get no opinion in ANY pbb subject let alone one pertaining to things that go "boom". :flipoff2: If you wanted to learn how a self defense pistol shot so you'd be ready, why the hell would you use something that didn't weigh the same or shoot a round anywhere near as large?

[stone]

yes i have the same conversion for my beretta, some times its picky about ammo would be the only complaint i have. i have a colt conv for my 45s and ARs and they are the same about picky some times. mostly lead 22's is what it doesnt like because the projectile will become deformed at the nose from the ramp. so as long as its plated its fine. ciener has been in business for ever, we have been selling his coversions for quite some time. buy it and u will be happy, i like going to the range with it to play with. and this talk about 9mm being pussy i find funny. i mean seriously guys are your dicks that small?

[braxton357]

yes i have the same conversion for my beretta, some times its picky about ammo would be the only complaint i have. i have a colt conv for my 45s and ARs and they are the same about picky some times. mostly lead 22's is what it doesnt like because the projectile will become deformed at the nose from the ramp. so as long as its plated its fine. ciener has been in business for ever, we have been selling his coversions for quite some time. buy it and u will be happy, i like going to the range with it to play with. and this talk about 9mm being pussy i find funny. i mean seriously guys are your dicks that small?

Nobody called the 9mm pussy. I only quoted one (this was a ruger btw) as stating you can buy ammo for me cheaply and shoot me all day without being sore, you limp wristed pansy-german sympathizer Now if you are in fact one of these persons that he was speaking of, sorry. Mr. S Ruger has been known to piss people off at times (NAACP?) and yes, he genitalia has been known to be on the small side. :(



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[Hef]

22LR conversions are a waste of money IMO. If you want a .22LR, buy a .22LR.

If you are planning on carrying a 9mm then you ought to practice with the very gun you intend to carry. Strip it, clean it, put it back together and fire the hell out of it until you know your weapon well enough to strip it in the dark. You will know every feature of the gun by feel. You will know exactly what to expect for recoil, muzzle climb, etc.

A 22LR conversion will only fawk that up if you plan on going back to 9mm.


Besides, you REAAAAAALLLY have to be a pussy if you can't handle a 9mm. :flipoff2:

[jekbrown]

i dunno, if I owned a 40 or 10mm i might consider a conversion worth it... I carry a 9mm on/off duty and ammo for it is so cheap that i dont mind paying the extra $ in exchange for having the right amount of recoil etc.

AFA the 9mm being "weeny"... its true that it isnt as powerful as other handgun rounds out there, but it can certainly be used to good effect. Counter-terrorist teams all over use (or did use) sub guns in 9mm. Not to mention that the 9mm has killed more people than any other handgun round....

j

[Doug K]

Seriously though, the 9mm IS a compromise gun.

Not exactly... by wound channel alone you might be correct, but the 9mm has several tactical advantages over the .45.

In a direct action role the 9mm has less felt recoil (Even if more muzzle flip), less muzzle flash, and is much quieter than a .45. There are also a huge supply of subsonic rounds for the 9MM that allow the user to effectively silence their weapon for sentry removal. The mag capacity is higher, and the accuracy is equal if not greater because of the higher velocity of standard rounds.

I think that if you are shooting at any sort of competent level and are looking to kill that 9mm is an acceptable option. I am shopping a Gemtech equipped 9mm right now... probably HK.

I currently own several .45's and love them... but from a tactical duty pistol perspective I am begining to see the benfits of the 9mm parabellum round.

Doug

[braxton357]

Not exactly... by wound channel alone you might be correct, but the 9mm has several tactical advantages over the .45.

In a direct action role the 9mm has less felt recoil (Even if more muzzle flip), less muzzle flash, and is much quieter than a .45. There are also a huge supply of subsonic rounds for the 9MM that allow the user to effectively silence their weapon for sentry removal. The mag capacity is higher, and the accuracy is equal if not greater because of the higher velocity of standard rounds.

I think that if you are shooting at any sort of competent level and are looking to kill that 9mm is an acceptable option. I am shopping a Gemtech equipped 9mm right now... probably HK.

I currently own several .45's and love them... but from a tactical duty pistol perspective I am begining to see the benfits of the 9mm parabellum round.

Doug


You should move to Idaho and join a militia then. :flipoff2:

[Doug K]

My firearm agenda is geared around the salivating masses of the encroaching horde.

I passed up a couple opportunities to do Security work in iraq, and now all I think about is fire superiority...

Not to mention you know how much fun it is to live in a country club and shoot squirrels in your backyard with a silenced weapon?

Doug

[usmcdoc14]

if i found one on ebay for $100 for my 1911 and i was bored and i had the money to blow and didnt have any thing at all more important to buy
I "might" buy one :flipoff2: and thats because .45 ammo can get pricy.

i would not buy it for "getting familiar"with my weapon

i would not buy it for getting used to the aim point of my weapon


and i definatly would not buy it if i owned a 9mm. shit, 9mm ammo is cheap as it is :D

and i wouldnt buy it for a 92f,hell i wouldnt own a 92f :flipoff2: i HATE those fawking guns with a passion

[Joe_W]

90% of altercations that shots are fired, no one is injured
95% of people injured in these altercations are non-fatally wounded



Does anyone else read this as "majority of people are lousy shots"???? :D

[kitty]

not being a "gun nut" i thought a lot of people have been killed with the .22 didnt annie oakley use one in her marksmanship show? also who can modify a hand gun into a rifle?? saw one in Cabelas that gave me the idea but it was black powder .would like something like a North & Skinner revolving rifle in .22 cal .

[stone]

I passed up a couple opportunities to do Security work in iraq

i did too, i was going to take a year off and do it. well now that i have seen what i missed i am glad i did. i dont mind taking a risk but now its beyond a risk. anyway i like .22 coversion on my 45s and 92b

[Doug K]

Does anyone else read this as "majority of people are lousy shots"???? :D

I read that people don't want to kill other people... not even people who are proficient markspeople.

Doug

[SilverZuk]

Does anyone else read this as "majority of people are lousy shots"???? :D


This is partially true.
The majority do not expand their training beyond standing directly in front of a target and engaging and shooting at will.

Also,
Most people have not gone through the mental process of how to react in a situation. Most people I meet that carry are like people who drive around with a spare tire and no clue how to change a tire - but they have a spare.

I wish Dave Towert's (sp?) Stopping Power Page was still a free site.
It had some very interesting statistics also.

You should see the police statistics on shots fired vs. targets hit in the real world. By statistics alone - the average cop is scary.

[YellowSub1962]

Hey gun nuts!


:mad:We're firearms enthusiasts. Please remove the term "gun nut" and it's derivitives from your vocabulary.

And while we're at it, there is no such thing as an assault weapon - they are military style weapons.


:usa:

[SilverZuk]

And while we're at it, there is no such thing as an assault weapon - they are military style weapons.


There are three basic classifications of firearms.
Pistol
Rifle
Shotgun

Two major splits of each group.
Smokeless or Black Powder.

Sub splits fall under the type of action.

Pistol:
Revolver
Autos
Single Shots
Other

Rifle:
Bolt Action
Single Shot
Lever Action
Autos
Pump
Other

Shotgun:
Single Shot
Double Barrel
Pump
Auto
Other

I refrain from using the media spun terms, they use them too loosely.

[Tom Boyd]

:mad:We're firearms enthusiasts. Please remove the term "gun nut" and it's derivitives from your vocabulary.

And while we're at it, there is no such thing as an assault weapon - they are military style weapons.


:usa:

Lighten up Francis. I'm a gun nut. Way to take a joke. :shaking:

[braxton357]

:mad:We're firearms enthusiasts. Please remove the term "gun nut" and it's derivitives from your vocabulary.

And while we're at it, there is no such thing as an assault weapon - they are military style weapons.


:usa:


"Military style weapons" sounds worse than assault weapons even...

[NotQuiteSane]

Just wondering if you had a reason for it other than the typical of my friends "I just wasted $700 that pistol 'cause it looked cool". And around here it would truthfully be cheaper to just go buy a target .22.

Agreed. but (I think, don't know CA laws) if I, for instance were to move 20 miles south, i suspect it'd be easier to get a new top end vs an entire pistol.

but here, any excuse to buy a gun is a good excuse

NQS

[MonsterGM]

not being a "gun nut" i thought a lot of people have been killed with the .22.

They have. The .22 is likely responsible for more deaths than any other caliber. At least one of those school shootings were done with a 22. It used to be, and probably still is, the popular round for executions by the mob. And Discovery has shown several documentaries, where murders were done with none other than 22. Why? The guns and particularly the ammo are so cheap. Above all, don't underestimate a 22. A 40-grain bullet traveling at 1200FPS can cause major damage. A head shot at about 70-yards will likely drop a Deer.

[Haole]

They have. The .22 is likely responsible for more deaths than any other caliber. At least one of those school shootings were done with a 22. It used to be, and probably still is, the popular round for executions by the mob. And Discovery has shown several documentaries, where murders were done with none other than 22. Why? The guns and particularly the ammo are so cheap. Above all, don't underestimate a 22. A 40-grain bullet traveling at 1200FPS can cause major damage. A head shot at about 70-yards will likely drop a Deer.


The .22 is deadly not because it has penetrating power (that you need for a headshot), but because it's such a small round that it often bounces around inside the body and hits more vital organs.


Statistically, I've found nothing to back up or rfute your claim that .22's are the most deadly. However the vast majority of reports admit that a very small proportion of the incidents include the caliper of the weapon used.

[Ropeburn]

Anyone try the AK 7.62x39 conversion kit?

[Keith Strong]

I would buy one if they made it for one of my CCW guns. To me the point is for training. If I train with the gun I carry, .22 or .40 or .45 doesnt matter as I am practicing my draw, flick of the safety or double to single action conversion, etc. When I go to the range it is typically 700-1000 rounds. Thats why I started reloading...they dont make .22 kits for my particular choices in carry.

[NVScouter]

I've used conversion kits in 1911's and M-16s. They blew ass in both aplications with tons of misfeeds, stovepipes and general crud build up.


They are a waste of time.

The only one that show well was a .223 fake case that took a 22LR for my TC Contender. But thats single shot.

[300sniper]

I've used conversion kits in 1911's and M-16s. They blew ass in both aplications with tons of misfeeds, stovepipes and general crud build up.


They are a waste of time.

The only one that show well was a .223 fake case that took a 22LR for my TC Contender. But thats single shot.


i am hearing good things about the ciener kit for the ar15s. i hear that the owner is a dick and has tried to charge people for his business card. i called ciener on the phone and the message sounds like a dick also. he says that all the information i need is on his web site. i have no way to find out if he has them in stock, how long it takes to get one or anything. the web site tells you to send a money order and an order form.

there are companies making 22lr mags for the ar now. they have the same outside shape as an ar mag but are made out of plastic. they would be great for training. unfortunately i am limited to 10 round new magazines where i live. i have a bunch of 30 round ar mags. i was thinking about machining aluminum inserts that fit inside of an ar mag to reduce the dimension to that of a 22lr. i would then make my own follower and come up with some spring. i would need to write california doj a letter to make 100% sure that they would not consider that making a new magazine before i attempted this.


edit: i see this on his site now. i didn't see it before but i may try to order one this way. http://www.22lrconversions.com/ordpg-ar-immediate.htm

[Landslide]

edit: i see this on his site now. i didn't see it before but i may try to order one this way. http://www.22lrconversions.com/ordpg-ar-immediate.htm

For that kind of jack I think I'll just keep it 223 cal. Use one of my other dedicated 22lr semi's instead for the 22lr's rounds.

[mxracer33x]

I love the Ciener .22 conversion for my 1911. It shoots great. I built this particular gun from a Springfield loaded stainless model. Changed out the internals, fiutted a few parts, and then bought the conversion. It fit real tight, so I lapped it in and it is super smooth and shoots great groups. I dont shoot it much anymore, but my girlfriend, mom, sister all love shooting it. They dont care for the .45 but will shoot the .22 all day. definitly worth the price to me. there are a few other conversion on the market taht are a bit more regarded for match shooters if thats what you want.

[300sniper]

For that kind of jack I think I'll just keep it 223 cal. Use one of my other dedicated 22lr semi's instead for the 22lr's rounds.

even though this guy sounds like an ass, i think i will still get one for training. using the exact firearm to trail with should make me faster. i could get a dedicated 22lr upper but then i would need another aimpoint and mount. i also would need to get another rail forend, light and mount. from what i have read, the point of impact is almost exactly the same with the 22lr and 5.56 inside of about 25 yards which is about what i would be using it at. i think it is less than an inch low at 50 yards which would still be fine for training.

[BumpyDodge]

The .22 is deadly not because it has penetrating power (that you need for a headshot), but because it's such a small round that it often bounces around inside the body and hits more vital organs.


What's your source of data? Urban legend doesn't count.

[SCOTTS_4X]

last month at the 22 steel match I shot a guys kimber conversion (unknown brand pistol) and am convinced that I NEED one for my 1911. I have a gun I shoot just for the comps but I really like the 1911 platform and I will be purchasing the kimber 22lr top end for my .45.

-Scott

[TheRedHorseman]

What's your source of data? Urban legend doesn't count.

For rimfire it is an urban legend.

For centerfire small bore stuff, the projectile fragments and causes some nasty wounds.

[unimog]

I have one made by Colt for my AR15, it is fun and really a neat novelty. It works perfect. I have on for my FN High Power, again it is fun. I also have the colt Ace .22 pistol, which is the factory version of the 1911 .22 conversion. Mine is a contempory version. The US military used thes in WW2 for training. The gun has almost the exact handling of a .45 with way less ammo cost. It really shoots nice and is way cheaper. But saving money on guns is like Military intelligence, it just doesn't make sense. The kits work, they are fun. You get to take your gun apart and put it together. Screwing around with guns is a favorite pastime of mine. So if you like to screw around with guns, spend money on guns and shoot guns, these kits are a great way of spending time and money shooting.