I am looking into buying a truck and cabover to pull a 22' enclosed trailer with my jeep in it. what do you use and what are the problems you've run into?

2001 Ram 2500 Cummins
Not enough CDs
Needs a Nav system for directionally challanged

Well, I tow with.... oh wait.. I don't! My heep is my daily driver :( Wish I had a tow rig though!
Scott

http://bbs.off-road.com/wwwthreads_uploads/53-623338-Dsc00563.jpg

2002 GMC 2500HD, 6.0L gas V8/4L80E automatic. MORE than enough truck to haul my 3,800lb Toy on a 1,400lb tag-a-long. Would probably get a dually though if I had a cab-over camper.

TEX

91 ford 250 with the 5.8 liter engine. My biggest problem has been with the front tires constantly getting eaten up and exhaust leaks. I also feel this truck is a little underpowerd somtimes but if I wasent so cheap I could probably fix this problem by regearing it.

1999 F250, SUperDuty, SuperCab, 2wd, V10, automatic, short bed

Does everything I need... except have enough room for an expanding family :p

96 Dodge 3500 ecab Cummins. Tows like theres nothing behind it for the most part. Go stick though the auto needs some massaging to last well towing from what I've heard. And Dave, my kids fit in the back just fine ;)

With a 97 dodge cummmins. 17miles to the gallon got to love it.

I am looking at the Dodge cummins stick. Everybody says they are the truck to buy. Just trying to research as much as possible on the problems they have before spending 25000 or so. Also want to see what the others (Ford & Chevy) are like always been a chevy guy but I hear they dont have enough power to pull & carry a cabover

I use a 1/2 ton GMC with a 350 and it does OK but is short on brakes if it's a heavy load.

When it runs I use my 1-1/4 ton CUCV to tow with. It works great but GM needs to be shoot for the 6.2.

If you want a rig to tow and drive go for a pick up and a trailer or maybe a flatbed. If you just want a tow rig look for car haulers. I have seen some nive wedge back haulers for around 4000 with the older ones./ Or a old roll back tow truck, these run around 7-10K for a diesel.

just some thoughts.

I say use a motor home:flipoff2:

You could even use the front of the rv as an rti ramp


I'd like to do that with the motorhome in my driveway. Its a turd pile.

2000 Dodge Cummins, 6speed with EZ box and 4inch exhaust. Get about 14.5 mpg towing at 75-80 mph with the cruise set.

Originally posted by rokryder
I am looking into buying a truck and cabover to pull a 22' enclosed trailer with my jeep in it. what do you use and what are the problems you've run into?

97 F350, CC, PSD, LB, 4x4
28 ft flat bed trailer, 2ea 5500# axles.

Problems? nothing really.. Well it is like pulling a big flat house through the air. Tow's well, I had 10,280 in tow a year ago july from Anchorage AK, to Leadville CO and back.

Is it just me or does this come up about once a week:confused:



:flipoff2:

What about a GM with Duramax Diesel?

Maybe a 2002 Silverado 3/4 ton extended cab...



http://www.duramaxdiesel.com/

The Chevy/GMC duramax is the shit!! I drove several when I went to buy my truck. My dad brings them home from the dealer all the time. We pulled the jet skis to the lake last year, and I swear you couldn't even tell the truck was fully loaded with camp gear, gas, food, 4 people and 3 jet skis.

But you will be paying out the ass to have one. I forget the exact additional amount of the diesel option but its up there. That's why I ended up with a GMC with a 350 in it. I drive it more often without anything behind it, or in it, so I went for a comfortable truck that could tow if I needed it to.

I dont know how its gunna do with a cabover though otherwise its plenty of truck and a good price too.

Originally posted by GloNDark
The Chevy/GMC duramax is the shit!! I drove several when I went to buy my truck. My dad brings them home from the dealer all the time. We pulled the jet skis to the lake last year, and I swear you couldn't even tell the truck was fully loaded with camp gear, gas, food, 4 people and 3 jet skis.

But you will be paying out the ass to have one. I forget the exact additional amount of the diesel option but its up there. That's why I ended up with a GMC with a 350 in it. I drive it more often without anything behind it, or in it, so I went for a comfortable truck that could tow if I needed it to.

Yeah, the GMC Duramax recently replaced the Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel as my pin up tow rig to drool over.

Unfortunately I won't be able to afford the 2002 model until it is like 6 or 7 years old :( :D

The new Dodge Ram Cummins Diesel 3/4 ton Extended cabs aint cheap though, last I looked you are talking in the mid to upper $30's.

Originally posted by Retard
Is it just me or does this come up about once a week

Searched for you (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=39301&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending) :D:D:D:D.

89 1 ton crew cab- 350 fuel injected. need MORE power

Also- 21 foot motorhome with a 454

thanks next time I'll search

1990 GMC 3500 454/TH400 with a 4:10 14 bolt:flipoff2: It really could use overdrive. My 18' trailer weighs 2k empty, add my scout and it gets pretty fawkin heavy. It tow's well, but I'm greedy and always want more power:D Definatly gets the job done though.

2001 F250 PSD. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

hahahaha, well before today it was a 1985 f250 supercab diesel with a banks turbo, and other goodies.. BUT as of today it will be a 1995 f250 xlt supercab psd.... ill take pics when i pick her up in an hour weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! GET IT


check for sale section soon on a hell of a deal on my prior tow rig... :D

email me when you post

Originally posted by rokryder
email me when you post


i just sent ya an email

Here is my rig. Y2K F250 PSD 6SPD 4X4, 70 Horse Chip, 4" Exhaust. Not towing will avaerage 19mpg at 85mph. Towing it will average 16mpg at 80mph with a #12,000 trailer on the back. Go Diesel or Go Home when it comes to towing. City driving will average me around 14mpg but I can't keep my foot off the gas and blowing black smoke in ricers windows.

If I were going to put a camper on the back and tow I would upgrade to a F550 and put a overdrive unit in it. My buddy up in Montana has a 550 that has the overdrive unit in it and he can average 24mpg hauling #25,000 at 75mph. Can't go wrong with the PSD. :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

Proud owner of both a 2001 Minnie Winnie w/ an f-450 v-10 and also just purchased a 2002 F-250 super cab long bed PSD. Paid 29,000. Will be towing with it for the first time on sat. I agree, if you want a tow rig w/ power and milage buy deisel.

mt tow rig...
http://www.cutter.rockcrawler.com/images/towrig.jpg

2000 F350 PSD and it works great.
http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/towrig1.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/towrig2.jpg http://www.respite.org/images/cj66dean/towrig3.jpg

Yes I bought the bed. I came in 20ft. lengths and 4x8 sheets with some assembly required:flipoff2:

Dean, that beds really MUCH sweeter in person than your pics do it justice. I've thought about that for my dodge, but I cant quite bring myself to do it

2000 Chevy 1500 Silverado:flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I bought mine on line.
2001 4x4 Cummins Everything but leather
Just under 33k

Do your research. If your want a 4X4, stay away from the GM/Duramax. You will be glad you did.

If your buying new, go to a company that does NOT contribute to greenie orgs. Both Ford and GM are guilty of this. It is the only power we have as consumers

Originally posted by Dennis
I bought mine on line.
2001 4x4 Cummins Everything but leather
Just under 33k

Do your research. If your want a 4X4, stay away from the GM/Duramax. You will be glad you did.

If your buying new, go to a company that does NOT contribute to greenie orgs. Both Ford and GM are guilty of this. It is the only power we have as consumers

I gotta disagree. Older cummins are bad ass. I have buddy with well over 300k on the clock and no problem, but his 98 with 100k on it.....has been in the shop more then he drives it lately.

Do your research a little harder too, Chrysler donated just as much as Ford, Chevy and GMC to the greenie organizations. :D:D:D

Hey 66CJdean DUDE THAT IS FAWKING SWEET!!!!!!!!

Brian check out this site.......http://www.davesmithmotors.com/inventory/list.asp?cat=2&make=&loprice=%240&hiprice=25000&year=&mileage=&sort=Year+DESC

lets see some backup boyz!! I would rather not give my money to the greenies or buy something made to support the bastards that will be a big decision maker.

Originally posted by rokryder
lets see some backup boyz!! I would rather not give my money to the greenies or buy something made to support the bastards that will be a big decision maker.

They all donate. Dispite what they may want you think. How do you think that they can keep the greenies off their backs when they make trucks like Jakes 6 mpg Dodge V10? :(

93 Ford F250 supercab longbed 4x4 5 speed 7.3IDI turbo Diesel, 4.10's pulling a 28' float deck gooseneck trailer 2 x 7K axles. Gets about 15 towing at 65, but the bronco on the trailer has all of the fine aerodynamics of a barn door. The nice thing is the mileage stays the same even with two trucks on the trailer.

Originally posted by GloNDark
Do your research a little harder too, Chrysler donated just as much as Ford, Chevy and GMC to the greenie organizations. :D:D:D

Ford and GM contributions are well documented. If I am missing something about Dodge (or DC as its now called) please enlighten me.

Nice trailer Crazy Horse

OH NO Not Dave Smith Motors :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

I used to live 6 hours away from this place and everybody would go there to by there rigs. He has a great selection and has great prices. To bad he doesn't sell new Ford's.

Originally posted by Dennis


Ford and GM contributions are well documented. If I am missing something about Dodge (or DC as its now called) please enlighten me.

I read something the other day at home. I am but before I post the link I want to back it up. Just to be sure. :D:D:D

79 Ford Crew Cab with a 351M/400. It's gutless and gets terrible gas mileage. I love it.

forgot pict

1986 ford f-350 dually 4x4 460 v-8it hauls a 11ft lance cab over camper and tows trailer with either a runner or landcruiser it is just about toast i have been towing with it for 12 years

my next one is undoubtably going to be the ford f-550 4x4 extra cab diesel this will be the last truck i will ever have to buy because it is over built for anything i will do to it these trucks are beasts no one else has anything in their class

F-550 is the way to go. This is a buddy of mines tow setup which he is selling to go bigger, :eek: My 550 has a welding deck & equipment on it so it is not able to pull this float ( The trailer deck hits my welder when it turns ) This setup has towed my 15000# truck with no problems at all. Note the Duracrap on the back in this shot - going to the dealer with a blown tranny.
http://media.canadatrader.com/canadatrader/202/1102/1/91004.jpg

am i the only one here with hard on from these trucks? :D:flipoff2:



speaking of diesel... i am extremely leery of GM diesels, especially the 6.2 and 6.5TD. are my fears justified?

BINDER POWER!! Can U say POWERSTROKE!!!

Originally posted by TEX
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2002 GMC 2500HD, 6.0L gas V8/4L80E automatic. MORE than enough truck to haul my 3,800lb Toy on a 1,400lb tag-a-long. Would probably get a dually though if I had a cab-over camper.

TEX

How many mpg do you get with the 6.0

2002 Chevy 4x4 Cab and a Half, Dually ,Duramax, 6-speed manual


I have only had it for 3 months. So far no problems. Best pulling truck I have had !

Only 13,600 miles. Time will tell.

I tow with a 1990 Chevy 2500 4wd. It has a 350, 700R4, and 254,000 miles on it. I just put 4.10 gears in it to help with the 285 tires, the truck likes them much better. It's never let me down.

'99 Dodge, Cummins, 5speed. 3500, QC.
'98 Shadow Cruiser 9.5' cab over

Watch your camper selection. 9.5' is about max for length and overhang with out having to get into extending the hitch, as a general rule. Depends on the camper configuration and trailer used.

You may want to look into an equalizer hitch for that big of a trailer.

Diesel is the only way to go for the outfit you are describing. You are going to catch some serious air, and need a serious truck. Not going to go brand bashing. They all have their intended market. IMO go 1 ton dually or go home. The dually handles the slide in with ease and is very stable towing a big trailer. Not as much side wall roll which contributes to trailer whip. NOT FUN

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob Levenhagen
[B]'99 Dodge, Cummins, 5speed. 3500, QC.
'98 Shadow Cruiser 9.5' cab over

Watch your camper selection. 9.5' is about max for length and overhang with out having to get into extending the hitch, as a general rule.

The class V hich with extention is more than capable of hauling a trailer. Get the 11.5' trailer and class V hitch w/ extention. The law only alows for an 18" extention on a class III. The class V has a 3' extention and is legal.

Originally posted by 4x4extreme


How many mpg do you get with the 6.0

13 MPG with the wife commuting on 2-lane twisties (her car's been in the shop) with 45-55 MPH speed limits. Same commute with my '90 1/2 ton with 350 would be about 1 MPG better. Haven't had it out on the open highway yet, but probably won't do a lot better (unless it improves when the engine breaks in - less than 600 miles on it so far). Figuring on ~10 MPG when I tow. I have 4.10's & currently 245/75R16's.

TEX

Originally posted by Barney
79 Ford Crew Cab with a 351M/400. It's gutless and gets terrible gas mileage. I love it.

Nice crewcab newbie. Don't see many of those around anymore - never did really :)

TEX

c'mon tex, you're the GM dude... do older GM diesels really have problems with blowing heads up? ;)

i can't afford anything newer than a 95, and i want a diesel, sooo... :D

nice truck, BTW

Originally posted by WillyPete
c'mon tex, you're the GM dude... do older GM diesels really have problems with blowing heads up? ;)

Sorry, can't help ya there. Never really paid much attention to oil-squishers ;) Not my thang. But, I've never really heard much bad about the 6.2/6.5 'cept for lack of power.

TEX

i recently rode in a 1 1/4 ton cucv with 38 boggers, 6.2 diesel, but it had a banks turbo on it and all i can say is WHOA!!! that thing was a horse!!! as soon as the turbo spun up, it would literally set you back in the seat.

BTW- being in the army, i have had PLENTY of seat time in cucv's and hummv's, and i can tell you, the banks kit is the way to go on these otherwise "turds"

thank ya thank ya

:)

found a 2500 burb the other day with a 6.2 and a 4l80e... mmmm good. i am so tempted right now what with the waggy being an electric skillet :(

01' Chevy 1500 Silverado, laid out on 20's :D Pulls my yota just fine! Little bit slow on the STEEP uphill grades, but I am happy!!

98 Dodge 3500 4x4 Dually...pulls great. I have had no problems with it. Watch what you say or I'll tow off your trailer home!:flipoff2:

'99 F350 PSD with a 4" ATS exhaust and a superchip, 305/75's, 3.73's and a 6 speed. Usually does 16-17 unloaded, 10mpg with my 6600# oinker on the tall gooseneck. That's as long as we keep it under 70mph. Above 70 the mileage drops to 8 pretty quick.
I've made a habit of being skeptical of milage quotes. getting 18-20 at 85 mph seems high, but we run in hills at higher altitude and generally run more ride height and taller tires than stock. All make it go downhill. We have a lot of trucks around here that "run 80 up the passes with 10K# trailers" but I have yet to see or better yet, ride in one of them.
I have a group of friends that has done a similar rig to what you're looking into. They put cabover campers on their goosenecks and load the 4x4's behind them. Then the truck's available to run around empty when un hitched. BUT, that ends up being a BIG load for a light duty truck. One of them now has a small freightliner to tow with, the other is heading that direction. They ran the cummins dodge with all available, reasonable upgrades but never had quite enough power and NEVER enough braking ability. Keep in mind they live in Gunnison CO and have Monarch pass to run on a regular basis and it's a big long steep hill.
With that kind of load in mind I'd look to a F550 at least, maybe a "light" heavy truck.

Originally posted by Stephen
I've made a habit of being skeptical of milage quotes. getting 18-20 at 85 mph seems high, but we run in hills at higher altitude and generally run more ride height and taller tires than stock. All make it go downhill. We have a lot of trucks around here that "run 80 up the passes with 10K# trailers" but I have yet to see or better yet, ride in one of them.

AMEN! I get a kick out of all these flatlanders claims. I tow through the I70 Corridor quite often. Have yet to see any thing towing the loads we are talking about up Vail or similar at that kind of speed, let alone those kind of mileage claims. And then there the "breeze" in WY to deal with...

And brake capacity that's a whole nother can o worms. I always make it a point to look, the best I can, when these idiots go screaming by on the down hill side. That way I know if I should slow down so I can pick up any thing good from what's left of the train wreck at the bottom. :D

Originally posted by Brawler
[QUOTE]The class V hich with extention is more than capable of hauling a trailer. Get the 11.5' trailer and class V hitch w/ extention. The law only alows for an 18" extention on a class III. The class V has a 3' extention and is legal.

You should state that pulling a trailer. Extensions suck!!! IMO But if thats what you want then go for it.

I tow with my 2000 Dodge Cummins 4x4 6speed. I've done some upgrades improve my smiles per hour. Last dyno run, I made 276 HP and 639 ft/torque at the rear wheels. This translates to 331 HP and 767 ft/lbs at the flywheel assuming 20% loss due to driveline, transmission, tcase overhead. Can't do much more for power until I get a new clutch to hold the torque.

Definitely get a diesel for towing regardless of brand (I'm trying to avoid brand wars). Nothing like being able to tow 80 mph uphill and still get 14 MPG.

Charles

This is what a dodge diesel can pull, any questions?
http://www.mindspring.com/~fivaxis/setup.jpg
got this from the diesel registry.:flipoff2:

'99 Dodge 24V Cummins. GCVW as seen in the pic is over 15K lbs, and I have no problem pulling grade at the legal limit, even with the auto.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I tow with a 2001 Ford F-350 Crewcab Dually and a 36' gooseneck trailer. :D

Originally posted by mike
Dean, that beds really MUCH sweeter in person than your pics do it justice. I've thought about that for my dodge, but I cant quite bring myself to do it

I'll second that you should see that bed in person pure art.

Being as I'm Jeep parts poor, my tow rig is an 80's GMC 3500 dually with a new turbo 400. 4:10 Dana 70. A rebuilt 454 that has higher compression mildly ported 1970 oval port pass hi perf heads, a semi mild crane cam, port matched Edelbrock intake, headers, blah, blah, blah,

It passes everything but gas stations. It's in good shape but I hate the fuel economy. I'm not much of a gas motor tow rig fan. But at this time it's cheaper to pay big bucks at the pumps verses paying bigger bucks for a truck payment. Anyone out there want to trade for a Diesel? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by WillyPete
thank ya thank ya

:)

found a 2500 burb the other day with a 6.2 and a 4l80e... mmmm good. i am so tempted right now what with the waggy being an electric skillet :(

I have 200k+ on mine. It needs some work now I think it finally needs an injection pump and it has glow issues, but when I fix it it runs fine. It's not THAT bad as far as speed. It needs a banks kit, though I'll probably get rid of it before I rebuild it and turbo it. There are ones with better heads I think they have a J in the vin # PM me if you want mine has them, so I can check my vin.

cummins rules!!

1995 Dodge 3500 Cummins Turbo diesel

http://members.aol.com/riffman80/dodge2.jpg

I pull with a 1998 2500 GMC 4x4 Sierra....she pulls real nice now that I fixed the breaks on the trailer so that they actually work...damn dealer punk...but the stood behind it and gave me a new battery since they blew theirs up...35 miles and a battery, ok I'm stupid! but got my point across...

87 f250 with everything, towed this just fine so my rig should do just as well.

and when i go to teh hammers it will be in this!