my freind just bought it, any info on it? the good, bad, and ugly?

Their afraid of land......CJ5? CJ2? CJ3B? Military web sites will help more...

cj5, 4 cylinder, 3 speed, and a little rust thrown in...lol

Is it not an M38 since it's military (nearly the same as a -5, but with some cool military crap onboard)? Should have the Hurricane 4-cyl, 84" WB, T90 three speed, dana 18 tcase (check the Warn OD; don't mistake it for the PTO/ebrake drum on the rear output shaft). D44, two-piece (read weak) rear, D27 front. No power streering nor power brakes. serious mods are required to frame and tub to make it worthy for adequately moving larger tires about. I'd suggest keeping it stock and enjoying for what it is unless you can fabricate. If so, shoot for the moon. Cool military guage console would be pretty neat to have, IMO.

Good luck with it

Is it not an M38 since it's military (nearly the same as a -5, but with some cool military crap onboard)? Should have the Hurricane 4-cyl, 84" WB, T90 three speed, dana 18 tcase (check the Warn OD; don't mistake it for the PTO/ebrake drum on the rear output shaft). D44, two-piece (read weak) rear, D27 front. No power streering nor power brakes. serious mods are required to frame and tub to make it worthy for adequately moving larger tires about. I'd suggest keeping it stock and enjoying for what it is unless you can fabricate. If so, shoot for the moon. Cool military guage console would be pretty neat to have, IMO.

Good luck with it


If it's truely a 1965 the wheelbase is 81" , not 84". 84" wheelbase is on 1972 and later.

my freind just bought it, any info on it? the good, bad, and ugly?

It's probably a USN/USMC version of the M38A1. Can you get a picture of the data plate?

If it's truely a 1965 the wheelbase is 81" , not 84". 84" wheelbase is on 1972 and later. D'oh
:rolleyes: thanks, I wasn't thinkin, yer right.

But specs-wise, were the M38's built with the same guts as the civvy version?

Thanks

except for the fact that it could have a 27 front.


or am I smoking bad shit :confused:

D'oh
:rolleyes: thanks, I wasn't thinkin, yer right.

But specs-wise, were the M38's built with the same guts as the civvy version?

Thanks


Pretty much. Some military versions had a shackle reversal, heavier springs,
and different dash gauges, but the basic drivetrain is the same.

except for the fact that it could have a 27 front.


or am I smoking bad shit :confused:


Possible. The D25 front axle was used through 1965 and the D27 axles was
used starting in 1966, but we all know that Jeep swapped in parts at will.
Most likely it's a D25, but there's the possibility it's a D27. :rolleyes:

good info, thanks guys. I'll get pics of the data plate.

It's probably a USN/USMC version of the M38A1. Can you get a picture of the data plate?
Grumpy here's the only one who got anything right.... It's a M38A1.. DOH! And the wheelbase was 81" and after 72 it was 83.5" not 84". CJ whatever and geesh both better go back to school if you think your Jeep.
You guys better stick to long wheelbase and hacked framed buggys and leave the real Jeep stuff to others.
1MasterWillys

Pretty much. Some military versions had a shackle reversal, heavier springs,
and different dash gauges, but the basic drivetrain is the same.
I thought that all MB's were shackle reversed, and the only Civilian version reversed was the 55 CJ? Teach me? And your correct that the model 27 started in 66 with the 225 V-6 and the 19 spline 44.

who gives a damn, its a jeep, if you want to rock crawl with it you better get to work cause you got alot ahead of you.

Ben

http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d25.html

Im pretty sure the M38a1's all had the D25

http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/axle/d25.html

Im pretty sure the M38a1's all had the D25


Up through 1965. After that they were D27's. It's PROBABLY a D25, but
with Jeep's track record of swapping parts in seemingly at random, who knows.

wouldnt the rear be a Dana 41 not 44?

wouldnt the rear be a Dana 41 not 44?
I'm not postitive about this one, but I believe all M38A1's were Dana 44 10 spline till 66 then 19 spline. The Dana 41 is a Flat fender diff, but I'm not positive before 55? Could have been in the early M38A1's from 52 thru 54... I do know my 55 Civilian had a 44 10 spline from the start.

Heres a curveball. My 1944 GPW has a 27 front. I take it its not original :confused:

wouldnt the rear be a Dana 41 not 44?

The Dana 41s were phased out around 1953. All the 53 and up Jeeps I've seen have Dana 44s (10 spline axles), and the one 51 I've seen had a Dana 41.

Ok, without any pics and history, I don't know that you can say it's a 5 or an M38a1. The Navy also bought CJ3B's to use as Shore Patrol vehicles, but they wasn't a military version. I would expect the Navy could have done the same thing again.

Without pics, esp. of data plates, frame, e-brake, body from all sides, interior of engine compartment, and rear tailgate area (no tailgate on an M38a1) this is a silly conversation.

Early CJ5 will be more helpful for you once you have pics and such.

Oh, and it's nearly 30, so who knows what kind of silly shit PO's have done to it to keep it running on the cheap. Might not have anything original on it...

Jason

Ok, without any pics and history, I don't know that you can say it's a 5 or an M38a1. The Navy also bought CJ3B's to use as Shore Patrol vehicles, but they wasn't a military version. I would expect the Navy could have done the same thing again.

Without pics, esp. of data plates, frame, e-brake, body from all sides, interior of engine compartment, and rear tailgate area (no tailgate on an M38a1) this is a silly conversation.

Early CJ5 will be more helpful for you once you have pics and such.

Oh, and it's nearly 30, so who knows what kind of silly shit PO's have done to it to keep it running on the cheap. Might not have anything original on it...

Jason
Dude?
M38a1? The "M" stands for military. Your saying the Navy bought CJ's or Civilian Jeeps? Wow! Did Congress pass some special act to purchase Civilian versions over the standard M series and it's some big secret or something...
CJ3B's were sold until 1968 for mostly industrial uses, and most went overseas.
Do you have proof of the Military buying Civilian rigs???? I want to see this...

This is funny, You all suck at Willy's history.

The M38-A1 was produced from 53-68, It had a "shacle reversal" Dana 44 rear and a 24 volt water proof electrical system.

The Navy also used CJ-3B's for "Homeland Security" but they renamed the 3B M606 when it was sent overseas for US military use.

SOCALSLIDER, Check out www.G503.com or

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Index.html

Pirate has good wheelin tech but not willys tech :flipoff2:

Do you have proof of the Military buying Civilian rigs???? I want to see this...


http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Poster/M606.html

This is funny, You all suck at Willy's history.

The M38-A1 was produced from 53-68, It had a "shacle reversal" Dana 44 rear and a 24 volt water proof electrical system.

The Navy also used CJ-3B's for "Homeland Security" but they renamed the 3B M606 when it was sent overseas for US military use.

SOCALSLIDER, Check out www.G503.com or

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Index.html

Pirate has good wheelin tech but not willys tech :flipoff2:
Kool:
Thanks for the info and the link... I knew that most 3B's produced went overseas, but I heard it as in they were not wanted here in the US. Glad someone could set us straight. I knew that all military's were shackle reversed and so was the first year CJ-5.....Shackle in front is for a softer ride.
Right on!

Kool:
Thanks for the info and the link... I knew that most 3B's produced went overseas, but I heard it as in they were not wanted here in the US. Glad someone could set us straight. I knew that all military's were shackle reversed and so was the first year CJ-5.....Shackle in front is for a softer ride.
Right on!


AFAIK, the 55 CJ-5 is the only civilian Jeep to ever run the shakles on the rear of the front spring.

I don't understand why they would want to ship all the 3B's overseas, alot of people say they are ugly but I kinda like 'em.

This is funny, You all suck at Willy's history.

The M38-A1 was produced from 53-68, It had a "shacle reversal" Dana 44 rear and a 24 volt water proof electrical system.


The A1 first appeared in 52 under contract for the USMC. I'v seen pictures of the Flatfendered M38 and the M38-A1 both coming off the same assembly line.

This is funny, You all suck at Willy's history.

The M38-A1 was produced from 53-68, It had a "shacle reversal" Dana 44 rear and a 24 volt water proof electrical system.

The Navy also used CJ-3B's for "Homeland Security" but they renamed the 3B M606 when it was sent overseas for US military use.

SOCALSLIDER, Check out www.G503.com or

http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3B/Index.html

Pirate has good wheelin tech but not willys tech :flipoff2:

Whats funny...is that the M38A1 we are rebuilding right now has a 41-2 in it, ironic?

www.earlycj5.com

http://www.off-road.com/jeep/tech/m38a1.htm#Description

:D

I'll get a picture of the diff. tonight when we go to the shop to work on it.
*EDIT* Here, found an older pic of it, batteries in my digital were dead. (No flames about the cardomain pic, it was quick and easy :flipoff2: )