It's been kicked around in conversation but who is headed to Moab next month? I'll see you guys in Moab 30 hours after I leave GA :barf:

Anyone interested in running some Colorado trails on Monday or Tuesday prior to the event?

Tis

Monday Blanca or Chinamen/Carnage brook.

I was wanting to do something in CO before Moab. Pendy, is this a firm plan with dates & times you're referring to?

**uh.. I guess monday counts as a date. :idea:

Yep come along

I'm waiting to see what SWMBO has to say. Airplane tix were ordered yesterday for the LRO show, but I don't know if one was bought for me.

Pendy-can my high mileage curb-crawling mall poseur make it through those trails? I'll bring my tow strap if you promise not to leave me stuck in Colorado. You are permitted to laugh at me all you'd like, but don't abandon me :flipoff2:

I'm going to Moab, of course. I will probably be out there starting sometimes around Saturday or Sunday. Probably won't do any Colorado trails since the only one I really like is Holy Cross.


BTW, you guys need to send in your Rally registrations soon so we can start to get an idea of headcount for the various events. There is no "official" deadline, but I think we charge extra if you wait until you get to Moab to register. At least we used to. If you register and can't make it, we usually refund your money no problem.

How much do you charge for female friends picked up at the last minute? Or are they free?
(my registration is in the mail/should be arriving soon)

How much do you charge for female friends picked up at the last minute? Or are they free?


Don't get Pendy started!

Don't get Pendy started!

Amen, actually ms pendy may tag along this year. So I will be packing heat for you onlookers.

HeJP

I might be up for a run in CO. We did Chinaman's Gulch Last month and it was okay. Pretty sedate if you ask me. Carnage Canyon was friggin INSANE hard looking. The lead in was on par with the hard stuff at Cruces, but the final loose rock covered steep hill with 2 large waterfalls was gnarly with a capital G. I would say EXPECT some body damage on the lower stuff, and winch only on the upper portion.

How about 21 Road?

Billster

It's been kicked around in conversation but who is headed to Moab next month? I'll see you guys in Moab 30 hours after I leave GA :barf:

Anyone interested in running some Colorado trails on Monday or Tuesday prior to the event?

Tis

Blanca or 21 Road sound good. I'd still like to try and hit Independence maybe on Monday, maybe Ed and Way would be up for that? Montrose and 21 road are definately more on the way to Moab though. Bill are you bringing the FJ? Pendy are you bringing the peppers?

Tis

Those peppers are still burning my fanny.

You guys figure it out, I wanna be somewhere in CO on that Monday wheeling. Carnage Creek sounds good to me.

Jim Pendleton

Yup,

Bringing the BJ42 (with new High Altitude Compensator so it don't smoke so much at altitude). Will have some new mods (nothing major). The 110 is taking a back seat again cuz Sandi's FJ60 is getting a Cummins 6AT/NV4500/Atlas and some rock protection first. I definitely have too many projects at the moment. Good thing I got the 42 so I have something to wheel.

Billster

Blanca or 21 Road sound good. I'd still like to try and hit Independence maybe on Monday, maybe Ed and Way would be up for that? Montrose and 21 road are definately more on the way to Moab though. Bill are you bringing the FJ? Pendy are you bringing the peppers?

Tis

I have limited amount of time off work. I will be able to wheel 15th 16th and 17th. I have a bike race the 18th. Has anyone thought about what trails are going to be run in Moab. I was thinking upper Hellodorado Pritchard(sp) canyoun. The off road park on Moab rim. Proving grounds and Pickell.

Ed

I will run Upper Hell, and Pritchett with ya. But my tire size limits me on the other stuff. Just have 33" on the Cruiser right now, but willing to hammer it as usual.

Billster

Tis, I would join you all if you hit something in the mountains. Holy Cross, ,Blanca, or maybe carnage gulch. Although I think carnage is mandatory body damage and deff my last choice. JP

Well Tis and I talked today. We want to run Independance first thing Monday on the week of the rally. Then head towards Montrose late in the day after the trail.

Possibly run some of 21 road on Tuesday by Grand junction and try to be at the rally Wensday. Unless there is something down toward Durango/Cortez that would hold our attention on Tuesday instead. Anyone have ideas here?

Who all is up for this? I think we may have 5-6 trucks involved so far.

Come one come all.
Jim Pendleton

I will see if I can go on independance on monday. Independance is fun a trail. If you have not done the holly cross trail, I recommend it. It is on the way Moab and the stuff above the town site is plenty hard.

Ed

If you want something around durango/cortez Than Avalanche ranch is great. The trails are as hard or easy as you want. Whipper/snapper is a great trail.

http://www.avalancheohvranch.com/

Tis, I would join you all if you hit something in the mountains. Holy Cross, ,Blanca, or maybe carnage gulch. Although I think carnage is mandatory body damage and deff my last choice. JP

Cool JP, will keep you posted on the plans. Are you headed to Moab?

If you want something around durango/cortez Than Avalanche ranch is great. The trails are as hard or easy as you want. Whipper/snapper is a great trail.

http://www.avalancheohvranch.com/


That might work...

Ed, I'd still like to see some pics of how you plated your 9", I need to get that done before I leave.

Tis

I will pick you the pictures on CD today and send them to you tomorrow.

Ed

I'm still planning on making it.

I'm still planning on making it.
We are counting on it.

JP

So for Monday's run @ Independence is this it?
Pendy
PTschram-possibly
Frankencruiser-possibly
Noah
JP-possibly
Kyle/Geoff
Ed
Jtis
Yousef

Meeting in C Springs in the AM somewhere might be the best plan, then convoy down to Penrose.

So where are most of you guys staying in Moab? I'm going to be at the Moab Valley Inn again even though the official hotel is now on the North end of town.

BTW our official Solihull Society site is still down. Please use the alternate site listed earlier in this post for registration.

I am (and have always) staying at the Big Horn Lodge. Nice rooms, face out toward the parking lot. They have a BIG dirt lot down the street for trailers and towrigs. And not a peep outta the management when you are wrenching on the trucks in the middle of the night. Not to mention the breakfast at Mannies next door is not bad (although I am craving the bacon at Jailhouse Cafe... "mmmm... Bacon tastes good").

Billster

So where are most of you guys staying in Moab? I'm going to be at the Moab Valley Inn again even though the official hotel is now on the North end of town.

BTW our official Solihull Society site is still down. Please use the alternate site listed earlier in this post for registration.

Not gunna be able to make Monday's outing. I am on call Monday and cannot leave town until 7am Tuesday morning. So hauling the rig up on Tuesday afternoon (about 4 1/2 hour trip to Moab from here :flipoff2: ).

See you guys up there.

Haven't registered yet, but will. And plan to run the hardcore stuff with Ed and company. The cruiser should be good to go with some new treads and some crawler gears.

Billster

I am set to do independence on monday. I will be camping while in Moab. I am thinking slick rock camp ground.

If anyone is interested I will mountian biking while I am there.

Ed
"it's not fun until someone gets hurt"

Givin' Archway a try this year.

Gonna move into my new house that weekend. You guys have fun!

:D

I was thinking of a place to meet in Colorado Springs. How about IHOP in the southgate shopping mall at 7:00am. if you search on google you can find directions.

International House of Pancakes
2290 Southgate Rd
Colorado Springs, CO 80906
(719) 635-0777

I won't be able to make it.... Should arrive in Moab on Tues evening.... Now just have to get the Cruiser ready (IROK's, Tcase Lowgear set, Tube front fenders, Stinger).

Billster

I was thinking of a place to meet in Colorado Springs. How about IHOP in the southgate shopping mall at 7:00am. if you search on google you can find directions.

International House of Pancakes
2290 Southgate Rd
Colorado Springs, CO 80906
(719) 635-0777

That sounds good for a meeting place. But why so early. I got my better half and cousin along and cranky passengers aren't any fun.

Are we far from the trailhead is that the reason. I might stay closer to the trail if that is the case.

Jim Pendleton



Bill will my minion be joining us since you can not. I know his work schedule is more flexible :D

The time to meet at IHOP can be changed. We are about 50minutes from the trail head. depending How many rigs we have it could be a long day.

Ed

[QUOTE=pendy]That sounds good for a meeting place. But why so early. I got my better half and cousin along and cranky passengers aren't any fun.

Are we far from the trailhead is that the reason. I might stay closer to the trail if that is the case.

Jim Pendleton

Pendy-

How can your better half also be your cousin...oh I see...never mind! Didn't realize you were from Ar-kansas, sorry!

[QUOTE=pendy]That sounds good for a meeting place. But why so early. I got my better half and cousin along and cranky passengers aren't any fun.

Are we far from the trailhead is that the reason. I might stay closer to the trail if that is the case.

Jim Pendleton

Pendy-

How can your better half also be your cousin...oh I see...never mind! Didn't realize you were from Ar-kansas, sorry!

Didn't I tell you? I am bringing a passenger for you. My technogeek cousin from PA. I got you a passenger and I get to be alone with the misses. He is prolly not as talkative as the last passenger I rounded up for you though, but he will do.

She is not a first cousin, so drop it.
JP

I would gladly garotte that big mouth sumbitch.

I'm leaving for colorado springs tomorrow morning. I can just wait around IHOP or check in on the board again via dialup or something.

Ok lets make the meet time for IHOP 8:00 am. do we know who is planing on going.
I plan to be at IHOP at 7:30 and have breckfast. asfar as i know the people going are.
I am sure there are more people going i just do not know who. If you are having Mechanical problems. and you need a garage to work in the CO springs I can help.

Pendy
tisdale
Way
Ed
Noah

Sounds good, Ed can we camp in your front yard? :D

Tis

Tis. You can stay at the house if you want, as long as you so not mind an air mattress and English mastiff drowling on you.

Ed

Tis. You can stay at the house if you want, as long as you so not mind an air mattress and English mastiff drowling on you.

Ed

Thanks Ed, but what is drowling...cause if it is anything like humping I don't want any part of that :D

The Drooling is not bad aslong as she does not shake her head.

Ed

Sounds good.

JP

Well,
We are here in the springs. Noah and Tis are getting along they shared a room with one bed last night. I am late to meet for breakfast, waiting on my passengers. We'll see who else makes it.

JP

Well I'm still here in Moab and have a bunch of pictures to upload.. but for now I'll just give you this gem of pendy blowing a bead:
http://zilch.cx/pics/moab_2004/pendy.avi

And pendy: between your washers, the 4x4 shop's impact wrench and a little toe out my steering is almost mint again.

nice! Hope there's more vids where that one came from :beer: I harboured no illusions of making it down this year :( next year! next year dammit!

nice! Hope there's more vids where that one came from :beer: I harboured no illusions of making it down this year :( next year! next year dammit!

I harbored illusions-maybe next year

Noah , are you on the road home yet? If your working your way back east and want to run anything in Colo mountains on way home let me know. There are some great trails just off I70 / vail area. I was again denied by the boss for ralley time. Also do you have a cell # on Tis? JP

LOL! "God damn tires!...........You guys want to hook me up pretty quick?!" Sumbitchin' Pendy! He was better off with the Q78s and AR wheels.

Noah , are you on the road home yet? If your working your way back east and want to run anything in Colo mountains on way home let me know. There are some great trails just off I70 / vail area. I was again denied by the boss for ralley time. Also do you have a cell # on Tis? JP

Not heading east yet. Currently in cedar city utah. I'm gonna make my way through (via rachel, NV) the desert up to portland oregon.. then *ahem* stop by salt lake city and then down south to new mexico then back up to durango and THEN i'll be running some CO trails. I do have Tisdales number but it's on my phone which is in the truck which is out in the parking lot. I'm a real help. When I get back to CO area I'll PM you or something.

I'll try and upload some pics of Pendy, Noah, Bill and Tim Cooper eating up the hot tub on Hell's Revenge.

And pendy: between your washers, the 4x4 shop's impact wrench and a little toe out my steering is almost mint again.


Sweet.

Noah is now a honorary Camp Counselor. He has all the qualifications. Drinks beer, chases women (with more luck then I ever had) and drives like he has bubble gum tires. We all really enjoyed the boy from Maine coming down to teach class in Moab.

JP

LOL! "God damn tires!...........You guys want to hook me up pretty quick?!" Sumbitchin' Pendy! He was better off with the Q78s and AR wheels.

You may be right. But I did get the new Simexs' to break down a bit on their sidewall this trip. And they hook up better then anything I have driven before. In my limited experience with new tires and all.

I did use to light up the old Q78s at will. Now I flail about with more traction. I am happy with the tires. We hit some Big Boy trails last week and things went well.

Tis, Noah, Ed, Adam, Matt(rockware) and myself Independance on Monday. Adam had two different hubs apart this time, dumb luck. I popped a tire off its bead halfway through this run.

Tuesday drove the gunbarrel looking at property and went to Grand Junction. To late for 21 road but earlier Noah went up to make sure it was still there before he headed to Moab.

Wensday waited on my passengers to get up so I put a better radiator in my rig. Got to Moab at 12:30 and chased everyone up to Pritchet Canyon. Caught up to them at the rockpile just in time to pop a tire off the wheel again.

Thursday we ran hells revenge trail. Timm joined us with the shop truck. Quite a new rig for BCB.

Friday the mandatory poison spider, spike and gold bar. My buddy Kermit joined us in his RRC and Craig Reese put his beauty D 100" through it paces. A long day with some drama, such.

Saturday got Tis' rear driveshaft back on for a late trail start. And did the infamous rusty nail trail. Lottsa tip over challenge action. Had a buggy run with us and show us all the hard lines. Still could not master the double whammy. I need wheelbase.

Pics to some shortly I hope.
JP

Here is my trip report (albiet not in a Rover)...

I started out Tues. morning trying to finish up the mods on the BJ42. Couldn't get the output flange off the rear of the t-case to get some crawler gears in. Needed to get a big ass impact wrench. Sooo packed up the truck and towrig and headed out to Moab at 8:30..... PM that is. Oh the joys of being only 5 hours from Moab....

Hit the road with the CTD 600 blazing away at the night at about 80 mph. I was feelin' quite good and screaming up a big grade when my radar detector started squawking... Damn, what is he pulling me over for. I was going 75 in a 70. Ooops.. Turns out there was a small section of 55 mph that I didn't notice. The state trooper was nice, but happily handed me a $175 ticket (ouch). Anyway, got to Moab at about 1:30 am and checked in to the Big Horn Lodge (great place to stay btw).

Next morning... up bright and early to get some 90 weight and fill the tcase before heading out to Spanish trails. On arrival I see the usual suspects and don't see the usual late bastards. Noah is there in the ECR, as is Ed in the former Rockware buggy, Craig in the vegioil burner, and so on. Tis makes it just barely and we all decide to run Pritchett Canyon. For some reason we never decide to run the offical runs at these things.... Just like to keep the knuckheads together and away from all the normal folks. Oh yeah, forgot to mention the "perky" Red Bull girls that were hawking their "wares" at the STA. I invited them along on the trail but sadly they were done with their stint in Moab and were being replace by some new Red Bull Girls (which will be refered top by the pnuemonic RBG's from now on).

Anyway we try to call Pendy, and it turns out he is still in Grand Junction with his significant other and cousin who have not "risen" for the day yet. So we blow him off and head out to the trail.

Things went pretty well on the trail with no carnage to report other than Pendy's previously mentioned blown bead on Rockpile (which no one got up unassisted). Everyone rocked on Rocker Knocker except me and I had to be winched up the "easy" bypass. Something about that Cruiser and the RK, this is the 3rd time I have been denied on that bugger. Maybe next time. Anyway, Ed provided some thrill at the end of the trail be sliding into the infamous hole on the right side of the very last obstacle on the trail and ending up with both left tires in the air. No damage, but fun to watch. Then on to the obligatory 600 mile trip out on the dirt road. We did stop at the sand dunes at the end to play, and I proved yet again that NA diesels are not the vehicles of choice to run around on the sand in.

We then headed back and hit the Moab Brewery for some brew and chow. Then shower and bed.

Next morning we decide to hit Hell's Revenge cuz the Vendor thing is that afternoon and we want to be back early. Noah socializes with the new RBG's and sets the stage for some action later in the week. Timm joins the group as well in the new BCB truck. The run was good with lots of fun and no carnage. Pendy, Tis, Timm, and I all try and make it out of Mickey's Hot tub. Pendy gives it the "Pendy try" up Escalator and is denied on the last tub (not that anyone really knew the line to get him up). Tip Over challenge is easy for everyone and we call it a day early and head to the STA for the vendor event. It turns out to be pretty good, with some neat stuff to look at and the mini-twistoff. Many try the ramp but Yousef rules them all with a ramp of over 1300. Many disco's ramp in the 900 range... So smelling something fishy I measure the ramp and Pendy's cousin does some math crap and we come up with a ramp of 17 degrees. Even the Cruiser ramps 1000... beating all the other leaf sprung trucks but alas not a winner cuz it is not a Rover. Dinner is at McStiffs and off to bed.

Up next was the run on Golden Spike (via Poison Spider). We get up early and watch as all the other trail runs leave and finally Pendy and company show up so we can go. We pass the Poison Spider run early on and I nearly flip backward on a little slickrock bump. We make good time to Suzuki Slide and I school the fellas on how to hump the rock real good. Next up is a LONG ride to Golden Crack that involved lots of tinkering and fixin', but we make it. It is now about 6pm and the Pendy proves yet again he cannot go along with the crowd and makes his own way across Golden Crack. His new route is now known simply as Pendy's Butt Crack. Kermit astounds all of us the entire run with his open diffed Tdi'ed Rangie. He smoked everything, except the first attempt of launch pad with the center diff unlocked. Can you say "Holy Sheit"... Anyway we make it across the crack (pendy's and otherwise) and head up the Golden Steps to Double Whammy. Pendy takes about 500 attempts cheating death with every one but is denied (hey where is my $10 dude). Tis is up next and tries to crawl it with those glue like Krawlers. But wheelbase keeps him from making it. One or two attempts at a little bump and he is just barely denied. On the 3rd attempt the rear ujoint on the rear driveshaft blows the cap off one side and spits out the ears. Its gettin' kinda late so I hook the Masterpull kinetic strap to his truck and pull him up the hard stuff after Double Whammy. We break out the flashlights and find the way out of the trail and get back to Moab at 11pm. We head over to Moab Brewery and dine on some burgers. Noah hooks up with the RBG's after I let them know he has no room for the night. They graciously offer for him to stay at their place (damn I should have mentioned I had no room as well). Anyway, off to bed and dreams of the next day.

The next morning we get to the City Market at 9 am to fix Tis' driveshaft. We get it lined up and Pendy welds up the caps. We all decide to head out on Rusty Nail to get back for a rematch on Double Whammy and such. Timm chickens out and we head out with a local who drives up in an old decrepid Chevy Cavalier. He has a 37" MTR in the back seat and cannot even close the passenger door with the tire in there. I asked him what he wheels, and he replied, "I have a rock buggy". So we wait for him and he shows up with a badass tube framed buggy. We run out to the Nail and have a blast. The old dude knows the trail really well and shows us all the optional tuff stuff. All the rigs do great and we make it unscathed to Double Whammy (although Pendy had alot of fun with all the off camber ledges that drop away off a cliff). Pendy and Tis have a go at the DW but again are denied. Can you say wheelbase? We turn around had book down Gold Bar Rim and back to Moab.

All in all, a great trip with lots of good times, and good friends. Lets do it again soon.

Billster

Here is a twisted Tis.

Billster

Here is Mr. Tipper Ed in the Rockware Buggy

Billster

Here is Kerm show us how to NOT go up Launch pad with the diff lock off.

Billster

Pendy's Butt Crack

Billster

Kermit felt soooo good after giving birth to the 2 wrenches and the minisledge that he just had to bend his tierod.

Billster

ps. Hey Kerm, didn't you steal those sunglasses from that dude on a Different World?

And here is Pendy putting the finishing touches on his new marital aid.

Billster

Here is my attempt at Rocker Knocker.

Billster

Here is Noah showin' his stuff on Rusty Nail.

Billster

Here is the vegi oil burning D100 of Craig's.

Billster

Here is Timm's new BCB truck. Very nice and performs well.

Billster

Here is the last one for now, of the Cruiser on the Nail.

Billster

thanks for the writeups, guys :beer: :beer: looks like y'all had a great time.

if you have any, more pics of the TDi rangie in action for us rrc addicts!! :smokin:

Nice Bill.

It may be next week before Don sends me pics to share. Maybe my cousin will send me some action images before then.

Noah must have fell in Salt Lake City. No word from him again.

JP

I haven't even gotten to salt lake yet! I'm in redding, CA. I had a quick trip through area 51 (stared back at the guards in the truck on the hill with my binocs). a few miles outside of area 51 I took a little overland trek off the highway and found some abandonded mines and this sweet airforce transmitter on the top of a mountain. My best guess it its some kind of electronic boundary for planes flying around in area 51. I took a bunch of pictures which I will upload. Then up past hawthorne, NV and then another over-the-mountains-off-road pass to get to reno. California is weird as usual. Impossible to find where the action is at in any town.

I'll fall in salt lake in a few days after I visit in portland, OR. =) Then slowly back to kansas where I can finally be put to work.

I should have seen it coming after having 3 blowouts on an hour and a half mountainbike ride in Fruita on Tuesday. The 30 hour trip home was not without it's own drama. Just outside Silverthorne, CO we had our first blowout on the trailer, using the only spare. Fix it and drop Mike off at DIA and head on to Kansas. About 50 miles east of Salina while passing the time listening to a book on CD, I hear that dreaded pop and the trailer starts bouncing. As you know there are about four exits on the 5000 mile stretch of 70 that runs thru Kansas, as fate had it I was just approaching one. To make a long story long, it was Sunday afternoon, not a soul much less a tire shop in sight. I remove the blown tire and limp into town. No cell coverage, no spare and not wanting to spend a week one night in Kansas I approach a friendly old man cutting his grass to find help. Turns out his neighbor runs the Co-op and has tires and equipment. Two tires at a premium later and I am back on my way. One small detail I forgot to mention was that on my relatively new piece of turd trailer the dealer forgot to tell me he upgraded me to bent axles. As a result it cupps the tires, blows them out and he has himself a repeat customer for tires. On to the rest of the story, I've been on the road since 9PM Saturday nite and it is now 6PM on Monday and I'm one state away. Just outside Chatanooga, TN I stop for fuel and food and as I walk around the trailer looking for my next big surprise...I find it. The right rear wheel appears to be tilted inward and the bearing grease centrifuged throughout the wheel is no good sign either. I notice that the stub axle is pointed slightly downward, so I jack up the wheel and little metal pellets which used to be bearings fall onto the ground. I weigh my options and decide to drive it back 20 miles to Brad's shop(TLR)...again as fate would have it I am relatively close to someone who can help. I drop off the trailer and drive the 5 hours home, arrive at 1am ready for work early the next morning. Moral of the story, don't buy the least expensive new trailer you can find.

Here are a few pics that Mike emailed me, sorry I can only get them in thumbnails. It was a great time as usual, looking forward to Cruces in Feb!

Tis

Way dropping into Indy

me in the airhole

Noah trying to put his truck on it's lid the first day

Bill, the way he was most of the week, with at least one tire in the air

Pendy rolling a bead on rockpile, as usual just millimeters from rolling his rig

Mike driving Ed's buggy...that's right you go wheeling with Ed and he will let you drive his rig!

Veggie machine in action...if I had sound you could hear Shane screaming like a little girl.

Those look like some real pictures had some preemies . . .

I haven't even gotten to salt lake yet! I'm in redding, CA. I had a quick trip through area 51 (stared back at the guards in the truck on the hill with my binocs). a few miles outside of area 51 I took a little overland trek off the highway and found some abandonded mines and this sweet airforce transmitter on the top of a mountain. My best guess it its some kind of electronic boundary for planes flying around in area 51. I took a bunch of pictures which I will upload. Then up past hawthorne, NV and then another over-the-mountains-off-road pass to get to reno. California is weird as usual. Impossible to find where the action is at in any town.

I'll fall in salt lake in a few days after I visit in portland, OR. =) Then slowly back to kansas where I can finally be put to work.

I guess I had better start saving my dollar bills for your visit.

Damnit I want to hang out around area 51.

Where do you upload your pictures to? Can we access these top secret documents and wheeling pics?

Back on the yellow brick road.
JP

Next year we have to hit avalanche ranch. It is a kick. The trails are harder than Moab and have easy exits so you can by pass them. Pendy gets the award for stopping just before he is about to roll the rig.

Ed

Next year we have to hit avalanche ranch. It is a kick. The trails are harder than Moab and have easy exits so you can by pass them. Pendy gets the award for stopping just before he is about to roll the rig.

Ed

I hear about a new trail in Grand Junction. Something created and maintained like the Independance trail. BB was telling me about it at the vendor event.

Anyone have any info on this?

JP

Ironically there is a writeup on it in this month's Peterson's(just came in the mail today). Billings Canyon Jeep Trail. I guess Land Rovers are allowed too?

Tis

I hear about a new trail in Grand Junction. Something created and maintained like the Independance trail. BB was telling me about it at the vendor event.

Anyone have any info on this?

JP


See here:
http://www.co.blm.gov/news/2003/billingscanyonjeep.htm

and here:
http://www.cohvco.org/ca4wdci/web_pgs/news_billings_cnyn.html


..looking at some of the pics, I'm not sure it rates a '9' - but hey, what do I know - I'm a flatlander :)

Okay.. my pictures:
http://zilch.cx/pics/moab_2004/
Lots of trash and irrelevance. Sort through them.

Okay.. my pictures:
http://zilch.cx/pics/moab_2004/
Lots of trash and irrelevance. Sort through them.

Noah...if you don't mind. :D

Here are two of my favorites...

And the other side...

:flipoff2:

Thanks for posted the pics Noah. They look great. What a fun time we had! Can't wait for the next wheeling trip.

Heads up. For a yard sale.

On the road to Independance.

It looks like you boys had a great run. I love to see rovers on the trail they are the coolest rigs, they just make me want to travel and wheel. I saw the pics of this run Friday afternoon, then late that night I was out getting a drink and I saw the white yellow and blue defender by the bar I was at in Oregon :D Long way from moab in and I thought a funny coincidence.....

It looks like you boys had a great run. I love to see rovers on the trail they are the coolest rigs, they just make me want to travel and wheel. I saw the pics of this run Friday afternoon, then late that night I was out getting a drink and I saw the white yellow and blue defender by the bar I was at in Oregon :D Long way from moab in and I thought a funny coincidence.....

Noah gets around. Better lock up your women.

JP

Here is Timm's new BCB truck. Very nice and performs well.

Billster

Any specs on the new BCB rig? Looks pretty nice. Some of the leafer freaks would like to know how it did.

A little bird told me it kicked coilsprung ass. I saw it about 1/2 completed a few months ago, its pretty sporty.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: If he kicked so much coiler ass where are the picts of his rig on Rusty Nail?

Billster

A little bird told me it kicked coilsprung ass. I saw it about 1/2 completed a few months ago, its pretty sporty.

I wasnt there to take any, and Ive only seen the one pic. I heard it was the only rover to make it out of mickeys tub, up the rockpile, double whammy etc. I donno if it did the nail or not. Id have to re-read your post but did anyone make the nail? Correct me if Im wrong. Like I said I wasnt there and I havent seen pics.

-Ike

Let me start by saying I really liked Timm's truck. It follows my most sacred rule of 4 wheelin'... KISS Keep it simple and stupid. The execution is top notch and he really has mastered the art of building a capable truck that is true to the Land Rover heritage. It is extreme without looking extreme. And besides the gear noise from something under the hood (timing gears?), I would lay down a wad of cash in a second to buy the truck.

Now about this leafer boasting... Timm's truck was the only "built" longwheel base truck at the event (not counting a few built disco's and Craigs D100). Every obsticle you mention is long wheelbase specific. I can tell you from first hand experience that my Cruiser is every bit as capable a wheeler as my 110, but it cannot make it up the Rock Pile, or Double Whammy, like the 110 has. It is all about wheelbase on those. With a 110 inch wheelbase and 33" tires, pretty much anyone could make it up either. Saying Timm's truck spanked all the coilers is a GROSS overstatement.

Tis' truck made it out of Mickeys tub with a strap on the nose that was held by two of us that did not pull on it, and Pendy and I made it with a bit more of a tug (only a little cheating).

After riding in Tis' truck a bit when we lost Craig, I have to say it is one of the smoothest most capable LR's out there today. He creepy crawled virtually everything on the whole trip (including all the hard stuff on Rusty Nail) with nary a chirp of the tires. He made all the super hard off camber crap look like a cake walk. With 10 more inches of wheelbase he would be essentially unstoppable.

My comment about Rusty Nail was to point out that the hardest trail done during the event (although not a sanctioned run) was on Rusty Nail and Timm chose not to join us. Tis', Noah, Pendy, and I (not that my Cruiser counts for anything) all made the Nail with relative ease. Pritchett is tough, but Rusty Nail is harder. If you are gonna talk the talk you have to wheel with those you are dissing.

Billster

I wasnt there to take any, and Ive only seen the one pic. I heard it was the only rover to make it out of mickeys tub, up the rockpile, double whammy etc. I donno if it did the nail or not. Id have to re-read your post but did anyone make the nail? Correct me if Im wrong. Like I said I wasnt there and I havent seen pics.

-Ike

Thats gonna stir up a shitstorm. Otta get some panties in a wad as well.

In Timm's defense, I think he got tired of waiting on us fixing Tis' truck that day. He really had not heard of Rusty Nail either.

Plus he might back down from a competitive invitation as well. It is not his way. But with that said. I am sure he will search out the Rusty Nail at his first oppurtunity. He seems to enjoy challenging himself and his equipment on his own terms.

I really enjoyed the obstacles on the Rusty Nail. But the tipover challenge canyon ridge areas got my panties in a wad. Especially as light and tippy as my rig is. Fact is as pretty and new as the BCB's truck is, I am glad he did not bring it to Rusty Nail. The potential for damage was to great. For that matter, I am glad Craig did not bring his D100. It is a pretty new ride. Shane and he did a wonderful job on it as well.

JP
Of course my minion can bring his Mog next time.

So lemmie see . . .

It made it up every obstacle that those coilsprung trucks failed to and had and easier time with the hot-tub. Gosh that sounds like it cleaned up.

Please understand Im not "dissing" anyone, but rather, Id like to give some "props" to the "old school" underdog: the series land rover. With all the rockcrawling and extreme wheeling most folks focus on the coilsprung rigs and buggies because thats where the majority of people with money, waste it. However, I find it refreshing to see old series rigs on the hard trails and more so when they are outperforming their more expensive, and newer couterparts. So dont pout, dont fret, dont get mad, Im just giving you coilsprung guys a hard time.

Honestly Id just like to see something more along the lines of whats happening in the cruiser comunity where there is a lot of interest in building the 25/40/42/43/45/55 rigs.

So lemmie see . . .

It made it up every obstacle that those coilsprung trucks failed to and had and easier time with the hot-tub. Gosh that sounds like it cleaned up.

Please understand Im not "dissing" anyone, but rather, Id like to give some "props" to the "old school" underdog: the series land rover. With all the rockcrawling and extreme wheeling most folks focus on the coilsprung rigs and buggies because thats where the majority of people with money, waste it. However, I find it refreshing to see old series rigs on the hard trails and more so when they are outperforming their more expensive, and newer couterparts. So dont pout, dont fret, dont get mad, Im just giving you coilsprung guys a hard time.

Honestly Id just like to see something more along the lines of whats happening in the cruiser comunity where there is a lot of interest in building the 25/40/42/43/45/55 rigs.


I agree totally, it would be great to see that happen. Most of the people who build a hardcore "series" rig these days start by buying a coiler chassis to go under their series body.

My trail rig (IIA) will never have coil springs I don't need them to get everywhere the coilers go.

So lemmie see . . .

It made it up every obstacle that those coilsprung trucks failed to and had and easier time with the hot-tub. Gosh that sounds like it cleaned up.



Oppps... Sorry about that.... You are right... I guess I missed your point completely. :shaking:

Billster

ps. I am a leaf lover as well and SUA in fact.

“Tis' truck made it out of Mickeys tub with a strap on the nose that was held by two of us that did not pull on it, and Pendy and I made it with a bit more of a tug (only a little cheating).”

Noah made it out of that tub pretty easy, although he did drop into it kind of funky. Hopefully I will have a video of it in a few days and will post a like when I get it.

Pendy,
Thanks again for trying to find that bushing for me.

Thats gonna stir up a shitstorm. Otta get some panties in a wad as well.




Hmmm.... Do I forsee a Coiler vs Leafer Rover MXC (most extreme challenge for those who haven't caught it on TV). Maybe at next years Solihull?

Billster

Hmmm.... Do I forsee a Coiler vs Leafer Rover MXC (most extreme challenge for those who haven't caught it on TV). Maybe at next years Solihull?

Billster

Guess I better get mine stretched to 100"
JP

Just a little a reality check. I have driven a D90 up Rock Pile and mickey's hot tub without a strap. Double whammy and rockpile are wheel base specific. meaning if you are around 109 they are much easier to make.

Tim's truck is capable and every well built. It is a shame those axles under his truck are not available for sale in large numbers.


Ed

Yea, and was there any rocks on the Rockepile at the time Ed? Now there are none.

Billster

Just a little a reality check. I have driven a D90 up Rock Pile and mickey's hot tub without a strap. Double whammy and rockpile are wheel base specific. meaning if you are around 109 they are much easier to make.

Tim's truck is capable and every well built. It is a shame those axles under his truck are not available for sale in large numbers.


Ed

It is a shame those axles under his truck are not available for sale in large numbers.
Ed

What are the axles - looks like a sewercapped rover axle??? Looks a bit eaton/envish, but I thought eatons were bigger?

[QUOTE=Leafsprung]So lemmie see . . .


"Please understand Im not "dissing" anyone, but rather, Id like to give some "props" to the "old school" underdog: the series land rover. "

Since when does one with more horsepower, nearly bulletproof drivetrain, big sticky tires, and a driver willing to take chances qualify as an underdog?


"With all the rockcrawling and extreme wheeling most folks focus on the coilsprung rigs and buggies because thats where the majority of people with money, waste it. "

:rolleyes:

Shitstorm has begun! Soon there will be a "Coil Sprung Land Rover Talk" and a "Leaf Sprung Land Rover Talk"

Brad

"After riding in Tis' truck a bit when we lost Craig, I have to say it is one of the smoothest most capable LR's out there today. He creepy crawled virtually everything on the whole trip (including all the hard stuff on Rusty Nail) with nary a chirp of the tires. He made all the super hard off camber crap look like a cake walk. With 10 more inches of wheelbase he would be essentially unstoppable."


Billster[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the props Bill!

Tim's truck is capable and every well built. It is a shame those axles under his truck are not available for sale in large numbers.


Ed

I called Timm just for shits and giggles.

The front is a rover diff with an ARB and 24 spline axles, AEU2522s. This is a factory available axle in a 109 V8 - It has been sewercapped and trussed.

The rear is an ENV. Box stock rear axle, welded.

Looks like that truck has the closest to stock axles of any of you guys... And they are available to the public and actually right from the factory in the 1960s!!

Since when does one with more horsepower, nearly bulletproof drivetrain, big sticky tires, and a driver willing to take chances qualify as an underdog?

Since its utilizing, for the most part, older technology, was running smaller tires, and probably cost less to build than you spent on your axles, rims and tires. Not to mention the series drove to the trail and drove home.

With 10 more inches of wheelbase he would be essentially unstoppable.


If a frog had wings it wouldnt bump its ass hopping . . .



Dont be sore, youve got a nicer, newer, more expensive rig than I will ever have, Im sure Im just jealous.

-Ike

you guys are all a bunch of pantywastes.

Dont be sore, youve got a nicer, newer, more expensive rig than I will ever have, Im sure Im just jealous.

-Ike[/QUOTE]

Who is sore? I simply stated that I didn't think Timm was an underdog and then gave you grief about your comment on coil suspensions being a waste of money. After all it was Timm himself professing that it is all about going out and having fun...which is exactly why I do it too. If it were a competitive thing I'd be wasting all my money(as you put it) on a rock buggy and competing.

Oh yeah, just because I trailer now don't discount the fact that two years ago the 90 made the 2000 mile trip to Moab in modified form, wheeled for a week, and drove 2000 miles back. :D

See you on the trail.

It is ultimately about having fun, but giving coilers a hard time is fun :flipoff2: When you have 50-70 maybe a 100K (like steiner) in your truck and you cant follow the guys with 7-10K in theirs youve wasted your money.

Oh yeah, just because I trailer now don't discount the fact that two years ago the 90 made the 2000 mile trip to Moab in modified form, wheeled for a week, and drove 2000 miles back.

And? Im discounting it. Ive driven 3 series trucks (none newer than 1966) on 7 cross country trips to wheel in UT, CA, CO, OR.

It is ultimately about having fun, but giving coilers a hard time is fun :flipoff2: When you have 50-70 maybe a 100K (like steiner) in your truck and you cant follow the guys with 7-10K in theirs youve wasted your money.



And? Im discounting it. Ive driven 3 series trucks (none newer than 1966) on 7 cross country trips to wheel in UT, CA, CO, OR.

Now I know you are a real man Ike! Maybe I shouldn't think of you as Timm's boy anymore.... :flipoff2:

It never ceases to amaze me how those without tow rigs think it is such a manly macho thing to drive your trail rig to far away events, and how they try and belittle those that do. You are all deluding yourselves.

I have done both and can honestly say it increases the fun factor of my trips by at least double knowing that even with a complete major system failure (engine,tranny, etc) I can still make it back to work on Monday. Not to mention the fact that I can cruise all day at 85 mph (although it cost me a $175 dollar ticket this time) using way less fuel and time to get where I am going. And the wife and kids can tag along without too much fuss as well.

Billster

But this one goes to eleven.

I think a truck that kicks it on the trail but can also run down the highway is more impressive than something thats just good offroad. Definately something to be said for the dual purpose rig.

a 7000 mile trip in a 50 year old truck is no big deal, but 4K in a new one . . . not even worth mentioning.

leafsprung

Tim's truck has alot of modern parts so it should be nice on the highway. it has built chevy V8 , NV4500 , LT230, disc brakes. It is not as old as you think. The front axle shafts are right out of a modern rover and the rear is as common as Hens teeth. It has a spool in the rear it would a death trap on ice or snow. trust me I have driven a spooled axle on the street and it will eat tires.

My Rig drives great on the road. I drove 200 mile to Moab on 40 inch tires at 70mph. Just because it has coils does not mean it cost alot. mine cost around 20k.

Flame suite on
Ed

Ed,
I drive a spooled rig everyday (recently) and while it does eat tires (not as badly as I thought it would though), it has not been a deathtrap on snow and ice. The shop truck has been updated to be sure, but utilizes pretty old technology for the most part. Envs are unusual, but not super rare (Ive got 3 floating around). The AEU2522s came out with the Series 3 Stage One back in the late 70s right? Developed in the late 60s/70s with the 101FC and range rover CVs. Either way, old iron is cool.

20K is still a lot but Im surprised your truck and all you have done to it cost so little. You bought it stock, then had it stock modified, then you buggified it. All for 20K. You must have got a deal on the original truck. You still selling it? I think thats the exception rather than the rule, there are lots of d90 guys with 50+K in their rigs.

Guess I better get mine stretched to 100"
JP

That oughta make the ladies smile. ;)

and probably cost less to build than you spent on your axles, rims and tires. -Ike

NOT! Obviously you haven't seen Timm's truck in person. Very cool, but built with nearly impossible to find parts=$$$.

I have seen it in person. Twice. Which peices exactly are "impossible" to get? I know its not the axles, engine, transmission, transfercase, frame or body so Im really curious. I also know that the vast majority of the truck is composed of parts that were already on hand or leftovers from other projects (body, frame, bulkhead, axles, t-case).

-Ike

Icky,
Why can't you play nice with the shirt and tie Land Rover owners?

It seems in your mind People can not pay to play. Old junk is much more time demanding to keep on the road. And many people do not have the dedication to the Marque that you do. But many shirt and tie owners are dedicated nonetheless.

It is honorable that you hold a vehicle in high regard if it travels to and from the trail. And I agree that it is a testimonial to the rig that does.

But new junk comes with fresh paint and modernized features many owners enjoy. And a coilsprung ride beats a factory leaf bucking board for getting around.

I really hate to do this but you leaned on my wingman Tis a little hard. Why didn't you show up to our National Rally this year? We talked a while back and you were considering it. And why don't you show up in something you built yourself? I have been to your shed and seen your skills. So I know you are up to the challenge.

But all you ever do is run down how much everything costs when someone tries to build something of their own. And then you sit back and buy the Cream of the crop on the cheap and parade it around to make us all jealous.

You won't even wheel with any of us. You have go down to Hicksville Kentucky and take sweet wheeling pics of secret locations.

So put the Cooper museum on the chopping block and create a dual purpose rig of your own from scratch. Something you can beat us all down with. Otherwise consider yourself my new minion.


Oh yeah, I'll give you 3K for the monster 109. Since you wore it out already moving to Wobegon. Looking forward to the discourse.


I am Pendy

I thought this thread was about the National Rally :shaking: Does anyone have any more vids??

Brad

It is ultimately about having fun, but giving coilers a hard time is fun :flipoff2: When you have 50-70 maybe a 100K (like steiner) in your truck and you cant follow the guys with 7-10K in theirs youve wasted your money.



And? Im discounting it. Ive driven 3 series trucks (none newer than 1966) on 7 cross country trips to wheel in UT, CA, CO, OR.

That's your own fault...In college I drove an 87 Wrangler from LA to Chapel Hill, NC in 48 straight hours.

Your armchair quarterback analysis has been amusing and those numbers even funnier. Let's just let this drama die, maybe we can continue this discussion in Las Cruces this February. Thats plenty of time for you to plan for it, if you can get past the displeasure of riding in a vehicle that hasn't been around since the ice age and has power windows I'll pick you up and we can TRAILER out there together.
:D

Tis,

I got the rear axle for your trailer and it is ready to roll. I also pulled your truck in to keep it dry.

Brad

At the end of the day, we are all Land Rover owners and we should all be able to get along, with the occasional good natured joke thrown in.

But, that said, I like to see series rigs on the trail (especially the difficult trails), because there aren't as many of them that do that sort of thing. Just like I prefer to see D90's and D110's on the trail compared to disco's and RRC's (again because there are a lot more Disco and RRC trailrigs than D90/D110's).

I think us series drivers are just a bit more massochistic - we like to do things the harder, more uncomfortable way (either that or we're just poorer). :D

I think us series drivers are just a bit more massochistic - we like to do things the harder, more uncomfortable way (either that or we're just poorer).

Probably a little of both. Plus plastic is lame.

Tis,
Cruces sounds fun.

Jimbo,


Why can't you play nice with the shirt and tie Land Rover owners?


Cause Im already a crotchity troglodyte at 24 and I have blue collar tendancies. Plus I cant resist a good razzing.


But new junk comes with fresh paint and modernized features many owners enjoy. And a coilsprung ride beats a factory leaf bucking board for getting around.

Exactly the sort of things I hate :flipoff2: Someday when Im deaf, numb and well weathered I will get something newer

I really hate to do this but you leaned on my wingman Tis a little hard.

which one of you plays Maverick?

Why didn't you show up to our National Rally this year? We talked a while back and you were considering it. And why don't you show up in something you built yourself?

It was a real drag I was unable to make it. Im still trying to move and have sold all my trucks but 2. The recent nomadic lifestyle has kept me from embarking on a long term project :(


I have been to your shed and seen your skills. So I know you are up to the challenge.

Skills? Fajita eating and selling trucks to hermaphrodites? That counts??


But all you ever do is run down how much everything costs when someone tries to build something of their own.


When they start building on a 25K truck it seems silly, why not start with something cheaper. You are replacing the same components, the end result is essentially the same. Your D90 has not been built this way. Its much cooler to me.

You won't even wheel with any of us. You have go down to Hicksville Kentucky and take sweet wheeling pics of secret locations.

Id like to wheel with you guys, but you're all so damned far away. Secret? I think they have their own website.

So put the Cooper museum on the chopping block and create a dual purpose rig of your own from scratch. Something you can beat us all down with. Otherwise consider yourself my new minion.

See above. The time will come. Minion? Is that like a gimp? So thats what was in those crates.

Oh yeah, I'll give you 3K for the monster 109. Since you wore it out already moving to Wobegon.

Yeah it still needs a top, but I need it to tow my last trailer load of trash to Wobegon. I figure its worth its least 3250. Maybe I will take it to a used car lot and trade it in on a Kia once I get out there. Sumptuous Nine thousand dollar luxury . . . .

-Ike

which one of you plays Maverick?
I am suprised you need to ask.

Skills? Fajita eating and selling trucks to hermaphrodites? That counts??

Do you still hear from that kid in Winfield? Ha ha, he is your number one fan.



See above. The time will come. Minion? Is that like a gimp? So thats what was in those crates.

Yes your skin is much thicker then a normal 24 year young man. Gladly I cannot pierce it and we can move on to the wheeling again. I'll chip in with the shirt and tie Rover owners for some gas money if you join us in Las Cruceses. I have been meaning to bait The Creator T.C. and Matty to go as well. Maybe we can all quit beating our chests and tame some rocks toghether.


Yeah it still needs a top, but I need it to tow my last trailer load of trash to Wobegon. I figure its worth its least 3250. Maybe I will take it to a used car lot and trade it in on a Kia once I get out there. Sumptuous Nine thousand dollar luxury . . . .

Maybe a Porsche Cayanne since you sold off the fleet. Four wheeling at its finest.

JP

-Ike[/QUOTE]

Dudes, I would love to wheel in Moab and see what my relatively stock truck ('71 IIA 88 pickup with parabolics on 32s) can do, but I've got to say that driving 24 hours to Moab in Series truck sounds a bit draining. By the time I would get their, I would probably be so sleep deprived that if I didn't get a day at least to rest, I would probably do more damage to my truck than intended. More dents and "sweet loving", that's all she needs now.

Maybe next year I'll make the journey once I fix the cancer to the front horns, get some heavier duty axleshafts, a tad taller tires and a rear cage to go topless.

I'm glad that Ike is Pendy's new minion. I was getting worried there a sec.

Tis,
87 YJ . . .bwhahahahaha

Pendy,
Yes your skin is much thicker then a normal 24 year young man.

Driving around with no windsheild for years will do that.

Brian,
I was getting worried there a sec.

Youre not off the hook yet. Come get your sliders and we can fix your frame horns.

-Ike

Clawing for my Independance. As shown by the better halfs picture phone.

Clawing for my Independance. As shown by the better halfs picture phone.

Hey Pendy,

How do you like those wheels? I was given a set and I was going to use them. Do they hold a bead OK?

Hey Pendy,

How do you like those wheels? I was given a set and I was going to use them. Do they hold a bead OK?

They have a safety bead lock. It releases before immenent failure.

Smartss

How many beads did you pop last month Pendy?

Man I am a weenie!

Two beads thanks. I must be trying harder.

I knew I needed beadlocks, but I did not have the time to get er done before the event.

Luckily both instances we were able to air up the tire on the truck with some finagling. Thanks to Adams CO2 tank and Bill R's tank.

I got 7 cd's of pictures from my photographer Don Piburn if you guys are up for it.

JP

Rusty Nail

A view from the top

I know that old ECR truck is not getting a strap. What a bunch of panty waist you guys are. I ran the nail Fully open on 305 70 R16's Only needed help on the first obstical. Doug M pulled me up.

How long ago K.C??? I have noticed that in the last year that it is getting a bit tougher.

Oh yeah, meant to add.........

Keep the pics coming!

Considering I haven't been to Moab in about 3.5 years (gulp), it's been a while!

--D

P.S.: Got the Rover drive train possitioned in the Hendrix X yesterday...Fit's like a glove. I'll start posting pic's of the build-up when I'm ready to burn it in.

Ther you go again K.C.

Makin' friends...

I know that old ECR truck is not getting a strap. What a bunch of panty waist you guys are. I ran the nail Fully open on 305 70 R16's Only needed help on the first obstical. Doug M pulled me up.


The strap is to keep from leaning over into the abyss my minion. We all drove the obstacles without aid. Also the hardtop was scraping against the wall, so we leant a hand.

Rusty nail is a kick. But a lot of Weeble Wooble action.

JP

Beauty Eh

From to abyss

Its a hard line.

Diff lock?

Craigs veggy mobile


Supersize

I hear the shop truck is for sale. For future product development.

I wanna see the new product available so someone pony up.

missydameanor

Tub n more

The rockpile. A rocky romance.

Escalator
Nail
dudes


Enough already

Who is the punk standing in the way giving finger?

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=150514






:flipoff2:

-Jeff

oh and more pics for those of us who were stuck at home...

D100- wow, at least from the photos, that's about the best looking defender I've ever laid eyes upon. great looking rig.

Two beads thanks. I must be trying harder.
I knew I needed beadlocks, but I did not have the time to get er done before the event
JP

Apparently the Simex ET's don't hold the bead as well as some other tyres. I will post a link when www.outerlimits4x4.com is back up.


Oh and cool pics, wish I was there...

Nice

I'm not here to make nice and share Revor. I'm here to kick all of your asses. Its my secret plan. Infiltrate the rover community, and kick them all in the ass!!

Pendy will be the first!!

In Pendy's pic of Timm's truck is that a stock Stage 1 swivel housing (which I've never seen) or a modified BCB creation since the trackrod seems to either mount really high on the housing, clearing the top of the leafs, or it's been relocated elsewhere?

In Pendy's pic of Timm's truck is that a stock Stage 1 swivel housing (which I've never seen) or a modified BCB creation since the trackrod seems to either mount really high on the housing, clearing the top of the leafs, or it's been relocated elsewhere?

BCB hi steer arms. BCB swivel housing... The top pin is replaced with an arm that bolts into the 4 top bolts, and two others are added. Sounds like a very beefy way to have nearly bulletproof steering. It's on my xmas list... But they'll probably sell out before I get the $.

Thanks, JL. I'm adding those hi steer arms to my list as well.

Ahh Come on now K.C. if you want to do that you'd need to buy a stock Rubicon or a K5 blazer..!


There, now hows that for pissin folks off:)

I'm not here to make nice and share Revor. I'm here to kick all of your asses. Its my secret plan. Infiltrate the rover community, and kick them all in the ass!!

Pendy will be the first!!

That will take a mighty big foot my minion. Better sell your soul and ask for some triple wide super size dawgs to get the job done. Oh and buy a pair of shoes first, I do not want you to leave your dam Birkenstocks all up in it.

JP

Awsome looking D100. Well done.

Here are all my picts, thanks to Noah for the web expertise and hosting space...

http://zilch.cx/pics/bill/solihull_2004/#

Billster

Here are all my picts, thanks to Noah for the web expertise and hosting space...

http://zilch.cx/pics/bill/solihull_2004/#

Billster

Nice Bill. Some neat shots of the Veggy truck.

I wish I could host em all in one place. it takes time to post up a bunch here.

JP

Here is Tis' driveshaft savior. The original buzz box.

Oh how I've missed you my little Marquette. We had such good fun out behind the Moab Valley inn welding on Jim's radius arms and burning up the motel's wiring by the storage shed.

Someone had an extension cord hanging out their window at the hotel this year. I believe we burnt it up good.

Someone had an extension cord hanging out their window at the hotel this year.

That would be an invitation for me to burn the whole place down. I remember trying to get power off of the street light poles out back.

We were in Buena Vista a couple years ago doing some sort of parking lot machining and tripped a breaker at the motel. So twirken's dad strolled into the mechanical room of the motel like he owned the damn place and announced to the desk clerk that he was the electrician (which he is) and reset the breaker. The moral here is to act confident when exceeding the electrical capacity of the facility. Also be ready to get the fuck out of there.

That would be an invitation for me to burn the whole place down. I remember trying to get power off of the street light poles out back.

We were in Buena Vista a couple years ago doing some sort of parking lot machining and tripped a breaker at the motel. So twirken's dad strolled into the mechanical room of the motel like he owned the damn place and announced to the desk clerk that he was the electrician (which he is) and reset the breaker. The moral here is to act confident when exceeding the electrical capacity of the facility. Also be ready to get the fuck out of there.

As I seem to remember you weren't going anywhere until we brought you Joe's cooler lines. Put your junk back together and come to the Rubicon.

Joe would be on his own to deal with the local constabulary. I've seem him talk himself out of situations before. I did on one occasion assist him in dealing with the Hot Springs police though.