Thought you guys might find this interesting...

Hummer Snorkle on TJ (http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technical/humsnork/)

interesting....better than the :rainbow: snorkles the mallcrawlers around Dallas run.

could not tell by the pictures too well... not that I looked to hard.. but how straignt a shot is it from the snorkle to the engine. Did it use the original air box also? Pics were pretty small and my heads pounding to much to read the whole thing right now.

http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technical/humsnork/closeup.jpg

http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technical/humsnork/front.jpg

the below shots answers the question of stock air box; used or not" ... no it dont use the stock air box.... but... does the air stay as cool as it does using the stock air box location when wheeling.... I would think not when wheeling or on a hot day when cruising.


http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technical/humsnork/flexhose.jpg http://www.darksiderz.co.uk/technical/humsnork/canisterfront.jpg

I really like this, I can't tell if you can still lower the W/S. It get's so freakin hot here in the summer, I have to have the windshield down. Hell, may not even have a windshield anymore this summer. I'm going to check into this, maybe use some used parts to lower the cost. Right now I just have a K&N hung off my air-tube (cut fac. piece down).

Originally posted by Cutter
I really like this, I can't tell if you can still lower the W/S. It get's so freakin hot here in the summer, I have to have the windshield down. Hell, may not even have a windshield anymore this summer. I'm going to check into this, maybe use some used parts to lower the cost. Right now I just have a K&N hung off my air-tube (cut fac. piece down).

I was thinking the same thing Cutter.... I think u can get air vents like this made out of plastic from RV supply places.
I got a tech article somewhere that shows how to build a round air/filter box like this one. (http://home.pacbell.net/jay_w007/arbsnorkel.html) See pick below of this completed. Hell... u could even modify the stock air/filter box and move it to the location this aricle uses (http://www.sv.com.au/jeep/airboxmod.htm) . See pic below maybe. You add some insoluation around it as a heat shield. Ive been thinking on doing this but instead of a raised vent like the Hummer one using just the cowl area and a cowl Vent

There is good technical pictures (http://communities.msn.com/TheMINIHummer/cowlsnorkle.msnw) Ive seen on this but he used the stock air/filter box in stock location and vented it to the cowl. Some suggest putting the cowl vent on backward though so it faces the windshield. Plenty of air still but better snorkle effect.

On 97's u got crap loads of cowl room. Now that I think about it u maybe could use the something like a hummer vent and build an air/filter box in the cowl area itself. hmmmmmmmmm

when Windshield down?.... how about more flex hose that runs under it to an adapter that plugs to the vent. Have the flex hose stop at the edge of the folded down windshield. The windshield should hold it in place.

http://home.pacbell.net/jay_w007/specs.jpg

http://www.sv.com.au/jeep/images/TJairbox/Original%20Files/Completed.jpg

http://www.steelhorseautomotive.com/media/jeep%20acrylic/airscop2.gif

I'll probably get flamed because it's not "do it yourself" but wouldn't the ARB snorkle be cheaper, and get your intake higher?


They have them here for $230 (http://www.rocky-road.com/jeepsnork.html)

I think this would be better than the ARB snorkle If I remember right you can't fold the windshield down with the ARB (I could be wrong though) Also you can put an extension on the Hummer Snorkle very easily.

The ARB snorkel is is POS. It is just a plastic extension to the stock air intake system. So the ram air intake effectively gets ruined because the air has to curve through well over 12 feet of piping. (from the driver side windshield back to passenger side air box, back to driver side throttle body, damn that engineering is awesome:confused: )

Save you money and build one yourself.

I like this idea in the original post, but I was thinking of PVC for the air box and tubing.

I also thought there was enough room in the cowl on the TJ's that you wouldn't need that funny hummer lookin' top sticking out the hood.

Don't know about you guys, but I have no desire to drive through water that's so deep that I need a snorkel...And that one seems like a waste of money, because the intake isn't all that much higher than stock... I think alot of people put on snorkels for the "Oh wow" factor, and never even actually need it..

I agree with not wanting to drive through deep water, but I am looking to give my air intake a little water & dirt protection. I currently just have a K&N sitting on top of my throttle body. It only takes about a month of driving before it needs cleaned and it does tend to get splashed a little when I'm wheeling because I haven't setup some type of air box yet.

i was playing with a "cheaper is neater" idea for some filter protection.

i wanted to mount the filter so the base seals itself in the fire wall and i would build a splash/drip guard over it.

the filter would still be in a high pressure area and isolated from the engine heat and flying debris.

i dont know if the K&N conical filter i have would be able to fit or if i would have to get another. if all else fails im pretty sure i could elbow it to turn the filter for more clearance

the main objectives would be for a short cold high pressure intake and some protection from moderatly deep water. if i go up to the bottom of my winshield i will be more than fawked anyways.

Hey Welby! I like the wow factor:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Detour
i was playing with a "cheaper is neater" idea for some filter protection.

i wanted to mount the filter so the BASE SEALS ITSELF IN THE FIREWALL and i would build a splash/drip guard over it.......

:confused:huh:question::question:

Originally posted by coachgeo


:confused:huh:question::question:

ok i'll explain my idea a little better. it is just a different evolution of hellbenders snorkle.

being a ex-tin bender and duct builder i could probably fab another inch or two space in the cowling under the winshield (into the engine compartment) and make an effective baffle to deflect rain or water running into the cowl if need be.

originally i wanted to use the wide base of the conical filter to close the hole in the fire wall which might work well. in this case i am literally thinking out of the box by fabbing a partial box to mount to the fire wall to seperate the element from the engine compartment.

anyways with a smooth intake tube instead of a ribbed flex tube the air will flow more efficiently. there are less corners and a shorter distance. 8' or whatever ARB snorkle uses is ribbed and will make the trip longer and slower than if it is smooth bore. any former HVAC tech can tell you that.

its just another version of a good idea, take it or leave it...

at this point i dont have a real easy way of cleaning the filter, i'll just save that when it comes time to fab something.

Originally posted by Detour


ok i'll explain my idea a little better. it is just a different evolution of hellbenders snorkle.

being a ex-tin bender and duct builder i could probably fab another inch or two space in the cowling under the winshield (into the engine compartment) and make an effective baffle to deflect rain or water running into the cowl if need be.

originally i wanted to use the wide base of the conical filter to close the hole in the fire wall which might work well. in this case i am literally thinking out of the box by fabbing a partial box to mount to the fire wall to seperate the element from the engine compartment.

anyways with a smooth intake tube instead of a ribbed flex tube the air will flow more efficiently. there are less corners and a shorter distance. 8' or whatever ARB snorkle uses is ribbed and will make the trip longer and slower than if it is smooth bore. any former HVAC tech can tell you that.

its just another version of a good idea, take it or leave it...

at this point i dont have a real easy way of cleaning the filter, i'll just save that when it comes time to fab something.

Which way is the conical filter oriented? Sounds like your saying the wide end sticking out of the firewall and the other end pointing toward the windshield inside the cowl. There would be less turns that way I guess.

I think part of the air box idea is to have a chamber of air clean available for the engine to use that is eassly drawn in by vacume. Is this true? Or is the box just to hide the sucking sounds? Anyway, I have seen that some of the after market air tubes and filters for the heeps dont have a air box. I would think this would be less protected from dust and what not though.

Originally posted by Detour


ok i'll explain my idea a little better. it is just a different evolution of hellbenders snorkle.......

Are one of these I posted in this thread Hellbenders snorkle? If not provide a link please.

Thanx

Originally posted by coachgeo


Which way is the conical filter oriented? Sounds like your saying the wide end sticking out of the firewall and the other end pointing toward the windshield inside the cowl. There would be less turns that way I guess.

I think part of the air box idea is to have a chamber of air clean available for the engine to use that is eassly drawn in by vacume. Is this true? Or is the box just to hide the sucking sounds? Anyway, I have seen that some of the after market air tubes and filters for the heeps dont have a air box. I would think this would be less protected from dust and what not though.

the whole idea is to mount the wide end flush with the fire wall so it can seal around its widest brim. i may have to fab a flange to make a good seal or afford more room for the air filter element in the cowl area. the high pressure area of the cowl seems to prove to be a good place for an air intake.

this type of setup (the way i want to do it) will remove and seperate the element portion of the K&N filter from the engine compartment while only pulling cold air (cold air induction).

the sucking sound is inconsequential to me. its a jeep, it flaps howels and growls. the air is coming from the outside only through the cowl. as far as dust and particles i can't see how it can be any worse than the open element filter/tube that i am using now.

if i set the filter right, be it mounted flush with the fire wall or in a fabbed "seperator" where i can gain some clearance if need be, i can see a profound improvement over the other snorkles that use several feet of ribbed flex tubing. the biggest hurdle in my mind is deciding which way to build the water deflector/shroud inside the cowl. this is one advantage to using a cannister type filter in the engine compartment, you can work a one way drain valve into one.

i think if done right my way will work well too, i just need time to test it properly.

here is a link to hellbenders under hood mods (http://www.hellbender.rockcrawler.com/photo6.html) the pictures dont seem to be working but he gives a detailed "how to"

Originally posted by Detour


the whole idea is to mount the wide end flush with the fire wall so it can seal around its widest brim.......

Ok I get u know.. the filter is inside the cowel with the wide end sticking out a hole into the engine compartment then u clamp on it and run straight tube to the engine. Cool... I like it, not that that counts for much. :D So basically the Cowl is the air box in this case.

By the way..... my understanding from another tech report on a cowl setup is that there allready is a drain in the cowl so u should be set... just... GO FOR IT...

What year is yours? IN 97 which mine is the cowl area is same size but there is a much larger vent.... like three times the size.

Thanks for the link to Hellbenders. I know it well just did not know it by the Hellbender name. I put it in my fav. list some time ago. To bad the pics are toasted now.

i also have a 97

hellbender has done some pretty cool stuff. does he also have another site?