what exactly are buggy springs? i keep reading about 4x4 that have them but i dont get what they are.

well, you have your reg leaf spring, then the shackle is conencted to that spring, and 1/2 of another main leaf bolted to the frame upside-down. then when it droops, it stretches that extra 1/2 spring to give more droop. like a revolver shackle kinda motion...but its a spring, not the shackle...get it?

Check the links on my site...hit the "suspension terminlogy" one. It's in the early stages of being created, but buggy springs are pictured on there.

:p

:D

you know what they say about a picture being worth a thousand words...hth;)

Aggro, for what its worth you might want to box that in to provide additional support for the lateral forces....just tack the bolts and box away. I've also seen them use 2.5" square tube cut and done the same thing with.....

Originally posted by coyote
Aggro, for what its worth you might want to box that in to provide additional support for the lateral forces....just tack the bolts and box away. I've also seen them use 2.5" square tube cut and done the same thing with.....

No need. The framerails are boxed in that area. I've been wheeling for over a year now.:D It's plenty strong, without the added weight.

Aggro,

Are those surplus Landcruiser springs you are using for the buggy spring? And what is the length on those?

Originally posted by Pozi
Aggro,

Are those surplus Landcruiser springs you are using for the buggy spring? And what is the length on those?

Me Too ! Give us some specs !

That is S W E E T !

How does it handle ? After a year of wheelin, would you make any changes or are you happy the way it is ? It looks real good, most of all simple.

Funny how you can't tell the sarcasm in my typeing... regarding the 1 year and all. Seriously it's more like 15! Anyway they are wrangler springs, cut-up. On road, they're fine because I pin them out. I like them overall.

Maybe this is a dumb question... but i'll ask anyway. :D
How strong are those springs?? With a lot of bouncing, would it be possible to bend them, or snap them off? It just looks like they are the only thing holding your axle to your rig.
(Besides the front attachment of the leafs)

Originally posted by Aggro
Funny how you can't tell the sarcasm in my typeing... regarding the 1 year and all. Seriously it's more like 15! Anyway they are wrangler springs, cut-up. On road, they're fine because I pin them out. I like them overall.

D'OOOHHH ! :eek:
I thought you meant you've been wheelin that particular setup for a year now, If those buggies have been running for 15 years, That's Damn Impressive !

Originally posted by The Adam Blaster
Maybe this is a dumb question... but i'll ask anyway. :D
How strong are those springs?? With a lot of bouncing, would it be possible to bend them, or snap them off? It just looks like they are the only thing holding your axle to your rig.
(Besides the front attachment of the leafs)

They are actually the "only" thing holding the axle to the rig aside from shocks and the front mount. There is a reason for the pin out ability. For rock crawling there's not enough abuse to the buggy's to hurt them, but for high speed stuff or jumping I always pin 'em out. Not because I think they'll break or bend, but I don't want that much droop if I jump it or hit a few big whoops in a row. I've never tried it but I think it'd be too much angularity for the driveline at high speeds.

I have actually seen a wrangler spring bend to over 90* so breakage isn't a concern in my mind.

For clarification, the buggies are not 15 years old.

1 or 15 years, don't matter to me I still think it's a cool setup. In fact I went out the other day and cut up some springs off a Ford Ranger. They look like they might work.

pardon my newbiesh ignorance, but is the front of the spring the same? or is it standard as with shackel one end and directly to frame mount on other end? Ive never really understood buggies, that pic really cleared things up. Know i am assuming pinning them you mean compressing and the putting pin to hold upper part of spring compressed? What is the quick way to compress in order to pin it?
ben

The weight of the truck will set them as pictured in the second photo (compressed) right to the frame. Some guys I know who run them put low profile bumpstops at the shackle end on the frame to keep em from banging around when pinned.
They only droop down on the trail. For pins, the ones that I have seen just use standard farm-store lynch pins.

Originally posted by swamppig
pardon my newbiesh ignorance, but is the front of the spring the same? or is it standard as with shackel one end and directly to frame mount on other end? Ive never really understood buggies, that pic really cleared things up. Know i am assuming pinning them you mean compressing and the putting pin to hold upper part of spring compressed? What is the quick way to compress in order to pin it?
ben

Standard solid mounting on the front of the spring. And yes, the weight of the vehicle holds them flat against the frame.

oooh, that all makes sense know... that would be nice..... can you do it front and rear? I dont see why not but i guess thinking is good but checking is better.
ben