68 Scout build up

[BAD JONNY]

I scored a 68', now the build up. Though I have a million ideas, what is it that everyone else would like to see as a build up????? I'm going to post the build up to help all. The only for sure things are the hydro steering, small block ford, 4-sp., and it has to keep the heater. Since I work at Shaffers, resources are almost endless. It is going to be in the Vegas to Reno run, so that is my deadline.I'll post a pic soon of the rig as I got it( 31" muds and shackles). So any input is good input.

[CSmith]

what is it that everyone else would like to see as a build up????? any input is good input.

What do you want to end up with? Ask here for specific advice. The people on the Binder Bulletin are good at telling you how a Scout should and should not be built. My wife wants a pink Scout. Paint it pink.:flipoff2:

[BAD JONNY]

Sorry about that, In general a bad mofo. Mostly rock crawler. I had planned to make it coilovers all around 4 linked ft & rr. but that is played out, though it does work. then the stand alone coils at all 4 corners, it works, but I still want something different. And if someone has a good idea that they want me to try, then game on. :D Step by step pics, parts lists, whatever yall need and want to see done. I could just copy our comp rigs, but i don't want to. Dont get me wrong, our stuff works, I just want to build something that isnt a comp rig :D












































or pink :flipoff2: :flipoff2: :flipoff2:

[TurdBronco]

Anyone else put a 302 in a 60's scout? I tried searching but couldnt find much on what was done.

[BAD JONNY]

It is a simple swap, well cheap at least. I'll get the exacts on tuesday when Shaffer get's back. but he told me its a 2wd 4sp which has a lower 1st, then there is a stock adapter to go to the stock t-case, all junk yard parts, oh yeah, did i mention cheap. I'll let you know tues. Any body have a opinion on air shocks for this build up????????? heard good and bad, but have only put them on 1 rig and didn't get to test them out.

[Urban Wheeler]

If you want to do something different leave the coils out and use leaf springs.

[Hammerlock]

I scored a 68', now the build up. Though I have a million ideas, what is it that everyone else would like to see as a build up????? I'm going to post the build up to help all. The only for sure things are the hydro steering, small block ford, 4-sp., and it has to keep the heater. Since I work at Shaffers, resources are almost endless. It is going to be in the Vegas to Reno run, so that is my deadline.I'll post a pic soon of the rig as I got it( 31" muds and shackles). So any input is good input.

Biggest tires possible, coils (not coilover), forced articulation, stock body (except massive tire clearancing), more wheelbase.

Oh yeah, no rust. :flipoff2:

[BAD JONNY]

How big of a tire do you want to see???? 39's 40's?? The plan was to keep most of the bodystock(hence the heater) so tire clearancing is about it. coils are a good idea, not leafs, I don't want to kill my approach and departure angles. Please enlighten me on your theory of "forced articulation". What do you want to see, 2 link, 3 link, 4 or more?





Dont worry, no rust here :D :D

[NotQuiteSane]

I scored a 68', now the build up. Though I have a million ideas, what is it that everyone else would like to see as a build up????? I'm going to post the build up to help all. The only for sure things are the hydro steering, small block ford, 4-sp., and it has to keep the heater. Since I work at Shaffers, resources are almost endless. It is going to be in the Vegas to Reno run, so that is my deadline.I'll post a pic soon of the rig as I got it( 31" muds and shackles). So any input is good input.
IMO, what everyone else want's is immaterial, because everyone else won't be using your truck.

But, since you asked, here's my current thoughts for my 68:

9" DC hooked to Toy 4 or 5 speed (whichever I find cheapest) hooked to Dual toy cases
Either dana 44's or Toy MT axles (been researching, and they seem pretty evenly matched. I find good points on both. it's gonna come down to weight and cost) Sitting under leaves (weight and cost again, but in this case Coilovers cost too much. maybe in 10 years...)

33" at the corners (for now. I haven't been wheeling as a driver for a few years :( , I wanna practice some more before (likely) stopping at 37")

Hydro steer for sure

Heater don't matter, this will be a good weather rig.

I'm trying to decide betreen towing a generator or having one onboard to recharge the batteries.

Those are my ideas. Course First I gotta get my 800 down from where it is.

NQS

[Binder]

Any body have a opinion on air shocks for this build up????????? .


I would like to see that. More importantly I would like to see it under 4000 lbs to make those shoks work. Oh yeah, and no whimpy azz parts to make it light.


And the 302 has been done before.

[BAD JONNY]

Heres what I have to start with :D

[Brandon]

Are people with the 302 just fabbing motor mounts or ?

Any articles on this? I got the 302 just need the Scout ;)

[Snoopy]

I'd take a look at all the other 800s on the board, then take a look at the Scout IIs, then take a look at the Jeeps. Then take a look at the Zukis....













.........then build your own rig ;) I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I'm with the other guys on this, take a look around and decide where you want to end up. Now if you're current/last rig is a stocker with 31s ~ then you may simply want to tackle the SOA first. Then, once your used to it; add links, loose the springs and go coils. But if you've ran harder trails, and had a pretty nice rig to begin with, heck ~ go for coils now!

Progression is how most of our rigs have been built. Snoopy was a good example, I wheeled it stock (actually I wheeled it MOST when it was stock), then tore it apart and built it up, then wheeled it, then tore it apart and re-built it again. I didn't have the $$ to go from stock-to-Snoopy in one shot, I had to do it in 3 phases and 3 years.

The only thing we ask is that you provide more pictures, let us know what you've done (with pictures), and share your ideas and thoughts... Then you'll get more input/feedback from the old-foggies.

[wes8517]

do 4 links with airbags as the suspension, its something never done, and i want to see more rigs running this suspension.

oh ya, and some 60s with 38.5s and 4 wheel steering would be fun too

wes

[Fawk Awph]

Do a triangulated 2 link. . . .only use 4 links. . . . .think about it, it works, and i havent seen it ever. no panard, same length uppers and lowers.

it will flex like a 2 link, the pinion will not rotate under compression or extension, and it will hold itself in place like a 4 link. if you make the frame mounts so that they can flex ay direction then it will not bond either.

take a look at teh pic i drew real fast.

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/1955/7311.jpg

by mounting to the frame at the same height for ever link you create a control arm feeling, but by triangulating it you get the stability of a 4 link and eliminate the panard. the only issue you run into is figuring out a way of allowing the frame mounts to flex in a way that will not binde AND still not allow for sidways flex. what do you all think? has it been done?

Callen

[Scout Dude]

Do a triangulated 2 link. . . .only use 4 links. . . . .think about it, it works, and i havent seen it ever. no panard, same length uppers and lowers.



It's been done before...Sam from SRC did it with his flatty.

People I've talked to say that air shocks suck for an all-around vehicle since they need to be adjusted for a specific type of wheeling.

Also, with the wider frame in the front (Than a CJ) you may need to cut/notch the frame to fit coilovers or air shocks.

[Fawk Awph]

[QUOTE=Scout Dude]It's been done before...Sam from SRC did it with his flatty.
QUOTE]

fair enough. how about this:

mount a single leaf spring sidways above the axle. then 4 link it to stablize the axle. make this single leaf so that the frame kind of just sits on it. so under hard flex the leaf could leave the frame on one side. then use a limiting strap to keep it from twisting in half. im feeling like drawing again.

in the second pic the red lines are the links, and the blue are the limiting straps. in the first pic you can see how the spring would sit against the frame. only with much less arc im sure.

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/6152/3931.jpg

Callen

[BAD JONNY]

Did you think of the link seperation at the frame, by the drawing, the vehicle would jack itself up under torque. Would it use 8 heims, or did you have something else in mind. Sorry but im not a big fan of airbags, unless it is on a semi or a rig that it sitting on the ground. Hey, that is a lot better idea than making it a useable rig :D Nah I would never do that to a scout. :barf:

[Snoopy]

mount a single leaf spring sidways above the axle. then 4 link it to stablize the axle. make this single leaf so that the frame kind of just sits on it. so under hard flex the leaf could leave the frame on one side. then use a limiting strap to keep it from twisting in half. im feeling like drawing again.
Speaking of a non-original idea ~ the Amish have been doing that on their 'buggies' for the last few hundred years! :shaking:
http://www.livingpictures.org/imagescountry/amish%20pictures/buggycloseup1.jpg



























:D :laughing: :p

[Snoopy]

......at least we know they are streetable.http://members.tripod.com/amishbuggy/pictures/amish33twpbug.jpg


:grinpimp: :shaking: :grinpimp: :shaking: :grinpimp: :shaking:

[Scout Dude]

[QUOTE=Scout Dude]It's been done before...Sam from SRC did it with his flatty.
QUOTE]

fair enough. how about this:

mount a single leaf spring sidways above the axle. then 4 link it to stablize the axle. make this single leaf so that the frame kind of just sits on it. so under hard flex the leaf could leave the frame on one side. then use a limiting strap to keep it from twisting in half. im feeling like drawing again.



That was done too by another SRC guy. It was a yellow tube-flatty type thing. You really need to get out more! :flipoff2:

[tsm1mt]

Speaking of a non-original idea ~ the Amish have been doing that on their 'buggies' for the last few hundred years! :shaking:


It's technically a "transverse leaf"..

I always figured some super-travel freak would mount regular semi-eliptical leaf springs, then mount a transverse leaf at the shackle end, using some Revolver type shackles to connect the semi-eliptical leaf to the transverse leaf.

Just like a buggy spring / 3/4 elip in a way.

[Fawk Awph]

ok ok, i have another one:

mount 2 leafs side by side to the effect that they are almost touching. mount these in the exact middle of the frame. from there mount a hinge between them and the axle. this creates a pivot joint that can move vertical, but not horizontal. the axle will be able to flex and pivot like normal, only you eliminate flex steer. heres a pic:

http://img35.exs.cx/img35/8434/12011.jpg


this shows the movement the axle can travel through and where the leafs would be mounted accordinly.

http://img71.exs.cx/img71/9518/3364.jpg

this shows how the hinge would mount to the axle. there would be a 'C' that goes around the axle so that the axle is centered in the 'C' and then 2 tapered bearings would hold it there and let it pivot.

you would have to use some kind of coil/coilover/airshock to keep the vehicle from leaning uncontrolably, or just to be different it would be cool to use a short length of bungee cord pulled taught. that way as one wheel begins to stuff, instead of a coil pushing back on it, it pulls on the oppisite side cord. this only works with a center pivot like i have it set up. the tire moving up on one side pulls the other side down, creating an almost equal traction between the 2 tires, even on an uneven surface.

it would be a great idea if i could get rid of the funky leaf set up in the middle. any one have any ideas? i guess it could be solid mounted, but that would make for one hell of a stiff ride.

Callen

[Binder]

Do a triangulated 2 link. . . .only use 4 links. . . . .think about it, it works, and i havent seen it ever. no panard, same length uppers and lowers.

Callen

Are you kidding? This is the most common link setup on the planet.
It's been done and re done forever and is even the setup I have on my scout now. :rolleyes: