Anyone ever swapped an AMC V8 into a Scout? Are motor mount brackets available or is it strictly a fab it yourself deal? I have '77 Cherokee with a strong rebuilt AMC 401, but I would like pull the engine from the comparitively heavy and large FSJ and drop into something similar but smaller and ligher and thereby faster and maybe gets 1-2 more mpg. A Scout would appear to fit the bill. Any opinions on how feasible this swap would be?

Yes. If fact International did. Search for the brackets from an International 400 v8, which just so happens to be an AMC401 with a 2 barrel intake and carb...

But in all honesty, there is not much difference in size between a scout and a waggy/cherokee

If your goal is a 1-2 mpg gain and a speed increase, then that is a stupid swap!! :shaking: If you have a motor, and a Scout that needs a motor, then sure....go for it. The 401 was used in the early 70's in a few Travelalls....which used different bracketry from Scouts. I don't know if you're talking about a Scout II, but as said they aren't much if any lighter than FSJ.

Edit: If you want mileage, the Geo Metro engine fits into the Scout....mount it using bungee cords.

R

Yes. If fact International did. Search for the brackets from an International 400 v8, which just so happens to be an AMC401 with a 2 barrel intake and carb...

But in all honesty, there is not much difference in size between a scout and a waggy/cherokee


So how will that interesting information help him put a 401 into a Scout :shaking:

Maybe he needs mounts from a 343 equipped Scout :eek:

I don't know what your big Cherokee weighs, but the last time I weighed my SII it was a little over two tons.

I have an AMC 401 in my scout right now. I dont know much about the swap becasue I bought it that way. I can ask the guy who intalled it for some info if you want.

I have an AMC 401 in my Scout 2 right now.It origonally had a 258 so the bellhousing was the same.All i had to do was cut,bend & weld the frame mounts a little.Ieven wired in the AMC duraspark dist.It fit like a dream!

Ok, so it has been done successfully which is what I wanted to know. Ok, so what does a Scout II weigh? A stock Widetrack Cherokee with a V8 weighs 4600 lbs. I was guessing, haven't had time to reserach it, that a Scout would be more like 3600-3800 lbs?

Most Scout IIs, depending on equipment, seem to be a minimum of 4k lbs.

the travelall's as a option from 74-78 had 401's in them but I believe that the frame spacing was different from travelall to scout (correct me if im wrong) Not saying you cant add spacers...im sure its been done 100 times before. The 401 is a great powerplant but dont expect mpg gains (that shouldnt be a primary reason for swapping) If you cam the 401 add a intake and carb you can get some great power out of it but how much more does a FSJ weigh in than a scout II? The AMC will not bolt to your scout 727 or any transmission that was bolted to the scout engine. So you have a couple of hurdles to overcome even if you really plan on the swap. Let me know if I can help as I have original block blueprints and maybe help with making motor mounts

the travelall's as a option from 74-78 had 401's in them

Nope Last year for full size trucks was 76! :shaking:

Ok, so it has been done successfully which is what I wanted to know. Ok, so what does a Scout II weigh? A stock Widetrack Cherokee with a V8 weighs 4600 lbs. I was guessing, haven't had time to reserach it, that a Scout would be more like 3600-3800 lbs?

I don't know what your big Cherokee weighs, but the last time I weighed my SII it was a little over two tons.
:rolleyes:

Yes. If fact International did. Search for the brackets from an International 400 v8, which just so happens to be an AMC401 with a 2 barrel intake and carb...

But in all honesty, there is not much difference in size between a scout and a waggy/cherokee

The full size rigs used different mounts. That won't help for shit getting a 401 into a Scout.

I believe that the mounts for a Scout originally equipped with an AMC 258 will work with some slight modification, and that would be the easiest way to go, but I've never done such a swap, so I couldn't say for sure.

Nope Last year for full size trucks was 76!

Thanks for the correction I knew it was 4 yrs in the travelall's...not sure whats up with this guy -- :shaking: --

Thanks for the correction I knew it was 4 yrs in the travelall's...not sure whats up with this guy -- :shaking: --

Actually the last year was 75'. Some trucks/Travelalls might still have been sitting on the dealer lots in 76' and sold as a 76', but none were built after 75'.

Jeff
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Maybe its old age creeping up on me but I swear I pulled a 401 from a 77 traveall. It was red and had a long dipstick on the passenger side just like they came in international and in early california AMC hotrods....hmmm

Maybe he needs mounts from a 343 equipped Scout :eek:
I'd check the timing chain first! :D

If the Scout has an IH motor you will also need the AMC auto bellhousing (trans case) and swap the IH guts and tailshaft housing on it. Then you have the Dana 20 from the scout II and trans mount done.

I don't know what you would do with a manual transmission? :confused:

Maybe its old age creeping up on me but I swear I pulled a 401 from a 77 traveall. It was red and had a long dipstick on the passenger side just like they came in international and in early california AMC hotrods....hmmm You probably did get it from a travelall but 75 was the last of them.

Some scout II were sold as 82's but were built in 80, last year.

This odd year vehicles usually happened from truck dealerships which at the time titled a truck the year it was sold. I'd guess the last few out there were the ugly option vehicles that were hard to sell after the light line trucks shut down.

the 401 wasn't offered in just the travelalls. It was offered 73-75 in anything non-scout 2 wheel drive, usually half tons.

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I don't know what you would do with a manual transmission? :confused:
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Get a bellhousing from a scoutII that had a 258 :rolleyes:

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I don't know what you would do with a manual transmission? :confused:
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Get a bellhousing from a scoutII that had a 258 :rolleyes:

D'oh! I have one of them in a parts scout too!

the 401 wasn't offered in just the travelalls. It was offered 73-75 in anything non-scout 2 wheel drive, usually half tons.

Technically true, but the vast majority of those that got it were travelalls. Actually finding one in anything else is quite rare.

Maybe its old age creeping up on me but I swear I pulled a 401 from a 77 traveall. It was red and had a long dipstick on the passenger side just like they came in international and in early california AMC hotrods....hmmm

Sorry to say, but your old. The last year of the Travellall was 75, no if ands or buts. Possibly someone put a 401 into a 77 Traveler (longer version of the Scout II) and that is what it came out of.

Using a Scout II 258 bellhousing may or may not work for fitting a manual on your 401. Last I heard, there were at least 4 different bellhousing depths made and used by AMC alone, and there were no absolutes when it came to application. If you could find an AMC bellhousing off of an AMC T-18 or T-15, that may fit. Sometimes they used an adaptor/sapcer between the bellhousing and transmission to compensate for the input shaft length (my '78 Cherokee came with that from the factory). It seems AMC used whatever was on the shelf until it was gone before making something new, and I would bet they shipped IHC whatever they felt like. Not that it is impossible, but you are going to have to do your homework. An automatic swap is much easier, just swap the IHC case to the AMC case. Or you can put a TH400 behind it and use whatever T-case was available behind one of those.

So even the Scout II 258 bellhousing may be differant? Or are you saying the differances are on the AMC end?

I have a 258 Scout II with T-18 will it bolt to the T-19 ?

Technically true, but the vast majority of those that got it were travelalls. Actually finding one in anything else is quite rare.

hmm...I know where a 100 pickup is right now with one. It is rusted to hell, the bed is falling apart, and there is no front sheetmetal :eek: . But it runs and drives. Old guy my dad knows bought it new and now uses it on his farm as a sort of motorized haywagon. I assumed they were common in everything...thats neat to know.

The bell housing bolt pattern on a ScoutII AMC 258 w/ auto 727 is the exact same as a 401. I started this mod awhile ago, then ran out of time and money. The 258 mounts can be used, with an "adapter" piece of steal between the mount and engine. I dont have the pics I was sent available right now, but I could probably Power Point it together if it is needed.

So even the Scout II 258 bellhousing may be differant? Or are you saying the differances are on the AMC end?

I have a 258 Scout II with T-18 will it bolt to the T-19 ?
Yes. If it's a scoutII bellhousing then you would need a scoutII T-19. It's not how it bolts up, it's the lenght of the input shaft.

Yes. If it's a scoutII bellhousing then you would need a scoutII T-19. It's not how it bolts up, it's the length of the input shaft. Well if this is true (no I don't think you guys are lying) and I have yet to see a Scout II 258 with a spacer, then motor mount/trans mount locations may differ from Scout to Scout? Also drivelines may be different, water pump to fan location? I guess the possibilities are endless. This doesn't sound like the IH of little change... even if it was an AMC thing... :confused:

I'v never seen spacer either. What I'm saying is that the jeep T18/19 input shafts are a diferent lenght then the IH T18/19. So if you were gonna us a jeep T18/19 you would need a jeep bellhousing because the lenght of the shaft is shorter. But if you used an IH/258 bellhousing then you would need to us the IH tranny. If I ever decide to run an auto it'll be from a jeep/AMC.

Thanks!

I have a Scout t-19 wide dana 300 I'm going to use now behind the 345. But I have this 258 Scout II with the manual I was parting out. Think I'll keep the bellhousing for future reference. :D

got anymore scout 300's?

I wish!

Did ya get that thrust washer replaced, Mark?

It's on my winter list...