ok, I'm very new to samurai building and for that matter imports. Everybody has been totally helpful so far so I have a few questions.
I'm thinking of swapping in a better motor from a tracker or similar suzuki (to get an injected motor) and more performance. I not only will be using Toyota or Waggoneer axles but I also am thinking of using the 64' Fj40 t-case.

I really want to know what auto tranny and motor will work if I want to keep the original t-case or if I go with the Toyota t-case.
Everyone has his own idea on motors and tranny favorites but I really want an auto tranny.
Can anyone give me some hints?
Ideas?
Pros and Cons?
What do you Zuki guys run? What's the hot setup for those of us who want an auto tranny?
All help is greatly appreciated as always.

How much driving are you going to do with you rig?

I my self am going to use a kick 1.6 16 v and the married auto trany with the zuk t case 6.1 behind .


Not sure if this is correct but this is what I was told by a parts man at a suzuki dealer, maybe someone else on the board might know if this is fact.

1.3= 60 hp
1.6 8v=90 hp
1.6 16 v=around 115hp

i plan to drive some on the street. And I want to play in the dunes if I choose to. I want to crawl rocks and pass cars if I need to. Is this possible? What year trackers or suzuki cars are good to use for this. I may just make this thing into a trail only rig.

you might consider the OTT adaptor to run Toyota t-case behind 'kick/Tracker t-case~pook has that setup :flipoff2: I should have mine soon:D pook you got pics of the setup yet??

If you are starting with a clean sheet of paper and half decent money to build the beastie up I would look at the 2.0 and auto combo. It's a 4 speed slush box and the 2.0 makes something like 140hp.

For the record, the 1.6 8v makes ~85 hp and the 1.6 16V makes ~100hp. There is the 1.8 at ~120hp but it seems to be a bit of an odd duck engine, not as common or produced as long as the others. It's probably a fine engine otherwise.

Since you are keen on EFI and electronic autos I guess you aren't afraid of OBD-II - the 2.0 is an OBD-II engine.

HTH

p.s. there's the 2.5/2.7 liter V-6s but they are heavy (for a suzuki engine at ~350lbs) and are pretty thirsty.

16v fuelie + 4 spd auto (from 4x4 w/ 'Kicker case kit) + stock Samurai t-case sounds sweet. Not sure about the street rpm's tho. Do you have a particular tire size in mind?

If you're not married to Suzuki engines, why not a Toyota 22RE + auto + dual cases? Or is there room?? :confused:

If you are serious about rock crawling, then don't forget about torque! The 1.6 16V makes it's torque about 1K RPM above the 8V (i.e. the HP increase). I built my 1.6 8V for torque and I have no problem drive around town (25mph) in 4 th gear at ~2K RPM. My friend has a stock 4DR with the 16V auto. He says it does not seem to come alive 'till 4K to 5K RPM.

The auto will be more forgiving, but that's something else to consider... :rasta:

Torque => pull power (Rocks, Long steep climbs)
HP => tire speed (Loose soil, MUD)

>> 16v fuelie + 4 spd auto (from 4x4 w/ 'Kicker case kit) + stock Samurai t-case sounds sweet. Not sure about the street rpm's tho. Do you have a particular tire size in mind?


Q) Will the kicker case kit work on an kick auto? This is eaxclty what I had in mind except i was going to bolt it up to my 1.3l (after i make an adaptor..)

Just didn't want to collect parts that would be useless....

Interesting.... I love seeing an auto on the rocks, so smooth!

With an auto I'll prolly be passed by EVERYONE on the road rather than "almost" everyone like now....


-mike

Originally posted by yagernc
>> Q) Will the kicker case kit work on an kick auto? This is eaxclty what I had in mind except i was going to bolt it up to my 1.3l (after i make an adaptor..)

-mike

Unknown at this time but I don't see why not :)

Ask Rick @ OTT maybe you can be the first.

what year and models should I look for for these parts. Some years better than others? Tricks to finding them. I wouldnt mind a toyota motor, do they make an auto tranny? Which one should I get? WIll it fit? I might stretch the rear wheels back a bit but I kind of want to be able to get up Double Whammy in Moab.
Damn, you guys know a lot about this stuff I'm glad I asked. Thanks to all of you.

Originally posted by zukstur
1.3= 60 hp
1.6 8v=90 hp
1.6 16 v=around 115hp

Not quite.

1.6 8V = 80 hp
1.6 16V = 96 hp

:beer: Bob :smokin:

Originally posted by juanblzr
what year and models should I look for for these parts. Some years better than others? Tricks to finding them. I wouldnt mind a toyota motor, do they make an auto tranny? Which one should I get? WIll it fit? I might stretch the rear wheels back a bit but I kind of want to be able to get up Double Whammy in Moab.
Damn, you guys know a lot about this stuff I'm glad I asked. Thanks to all of you.

If you are going to put that kind of weight (i.e. Toyota) in a Sam I'd seriously look at some of the bigger engines - maybe a GM 3.8 or 4.3.

The 1600cc 16V started in 4 door Trackicks in 1992, the 1800cc in the Sidekick Sport (4 door) in 1998 (I think). 2000cc started with the new style Vitaras in 2000 or so. The SWB tracKicks are 1600cc 8V up to about 1995/6 when they got the 16V as well.

I wouldn't get to excited about where the torque peak is with these engines. The newer engines generally have more area under the torque curve and you can always regear to make things work. With so many gearing options these days you can probably get away with a 2hp engine! :)

HTH

p.s. In the aftermarket the 8v is the only engine you can make serious power (easy 140 hp) with bolt on parts. I'd be more inclined to get the bigger engine to start with and keep it stock for reliabilty and easy parts replacement. Just my take.

Originally posted by Root Moose

...the 1800cc in the Sidekick Sport (4 door) in 1998 (I think)...SWB tracKicks are 1600cc 8V up to about 1995/6 when they got the 16V as well.


The 1.8 started in 1996 Sidekick Sports
The 1.6/16 was available in SWB (2-door) Sidekicks in 1995.

:beer: Bob :smokin:

Personally I picked a motor I like this time around. Something I have wanted to play with for years. I'm installing a 6 port Mazda rotary engine with its 4 speed automatic. The nice thing about this tranny is that it has a lockout switch, so I can lock it into a gear. We shall see if it works as well as I hope on steep decents.

This is not an easy swap though. The lengths of the engine and tranny are just a bit to long. Then add double Toy t-cases, and you are looking at the very long driveline length that I have. weeee.. But I have wanted to see how a little more wheel base would work on the Zuk anyhow.

The thing I don't like about putting an automatic behind a small engine is that is just robs all of the power from the engine. I'd suggest you drive the combination before you pick your swap. Want to swap the 16 valve with auto? Then go find a Sidekick with that setup and test drive it!

Chances are that if you run an automatic, and don't wheel like a spaz, the stock axles will be just fine, unless you get into a non-Suzuki engine, or plan to have lots of wheel speed in obstacles.

My swap is an honest 160 HP in stock trim, and with the low gears, I decided to upgrade to the Toy axles, but I really don't think you will need to. If you start busting axles, then go for it, or if you are going to need run a centered diff, then it is something to think about.

-Wayne

Originally posted by Bobzooki


Not quite.

1.6 8V = 80 hp
1.6 16V = 96 hp

:beer: Bob :smokin:

thanks guys for clearing up the hp it sounded like to much to me

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
16v fuelie + 4 spd auto (from 4x4 w/ 'Kicker case kit) + stock Samurai t-case sounds sweet. Not sure about the street rpm's tho. Do you have a particular tire size in mind?

If you're not married to Suzuki engines, why not a Toyota 22RE + auto + dual cases? Or is there room?? :confused: [/QUOTE


ive got the room because im streatching my wheel base out to accomadate my 37x 12.5 x15 ssr's thinking aroud 95to 100" as far as street running its (the mistress) strictly a trailer queen.

I already have the 16v sitten in my shop is why I'm using it. If it doesnt perform like i think it should i can swap it with my wifes 8v. :D

hey guys ive been thinking about this for a while and i know you can answer this one, cause i have fath in ya.

I have never seen the adapter kit.

could the adapter that bolts the kick 1.6 motor to the sammi 1.3 tranny be reversed so you could bolt a 1.3 sammi motor to a 1.6 married tranny? or say may be the torkie sammi to kick married auto?

just a though:confused: