I was wondering what the best solution is? I see most go with the York with a tank mounted somewhere... Are the electric styles not comparable to the york(as far as performance) or just too expensive?

Click the poll and give an explaination why.... Also, if you choose Elec, please state which compressor you are running...

Thanks!

I can run a 1/2" IR impact off of my engine driven, I cant run it on my friends quick air 2, we both have comparable sized tanks.

I'm actually gonna be running both, I've got a little ARB compressor to run the lockers and i'm doing a york style setup when i drop in the new motor. I'm keeping the ARB only because it works really well for the lockers and is already wired. also i plan on running the york at a higher PSI than the lockers would take for running air tools and filling tires.

Dallas

The Yorks put off a awhole lot more CFM...Have you notice that the newest electric one is a York in a black box with an electric motor? I think they want close to 5 bills for that set up...

I recently put in a york F210R. It rocks. I also have a caddy compressor as a backup in case the york dies. gotta keep the lockers happy :)

I've only seen one electric thats even close to a york, and it runs about 400 bucks.

http://www.extremeoutback.com/Reviews/ExtremeAire1.jpg

http://www.extremeoutback.com/Reviews/ExtremeAire_review.htm

biggest problem I see is if it dies, you have to buy another spendy electric motor. If a york dies your out 20 or 30 bucks for another one in a yunkyard.

Definitely engine-driven.... go York (if you have the space)... otherwise your stuck with electric.

-Matt

don't forget Power tanks...if you don't have room for an belt driven compressor, these work pretty good.

these work pretty good.

Until they are empty:eek:

Definately go with the York. I destroyed two ARB compressors in the last few years. Now I am have a York and have been very impressed with how quickly it airs up tires and stuff.

make one,,,cheaper than $500


thats what I intend to do, this is the one that was mentioned above "the york in a blcak box"

http://www.oasis-off-road.com/.

This compressor is a york compressor that is driven by an electric winch motor. If you already hava a york, you can buy a winch motor for appr. $150 and then find the misc. parts to connect the two together.

Then you have a York compressor that is electrically driven and is portable as well (if you want, or you can permanently mount it).

All you have to do then is put you in a tank (if you want one) with a quick connect and you have enough air to run air tools or what have you....
you can get winch motors here...

http://www.wms1.com/speciality/winch/index.html

kerryp

I agree with kerryp, i think you can make an electric driven pump and then you won't be sucking hp from your engine and it can be somewhat portable. Drag racers have been doing electric driven water pumps and alternators for years. :)

Using a York is easy and cheap. The system can easily keep up with my impact. My system was under $130.00 bucks, but I had A/C that I converted, add another hundred for a York.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28205&highlight=Got+and+air

try here also

http://www.onboardair.com

Joe

Are you sure that they are running a winch motor? It seems like that would overheat a great deal. I understand that it isn't under the same load as a winch pull, but I'm a bit skeptical. Then again, maybe I am sticking my foot in my mouth. More info please :)

I was just about ready to scrap the York in my shop in favor of using the space for an on-board welder, maybe I will use it after all if I can go electric. I'm still leaning toward the home brew powertank.

Originally posted by AGGIE_04
I agree with kerryp, i think you can make an electric driven pump and then you won't be sucking hp from your engine and it can be somewhat portable. Drag racers have been doing electric driven water pumps and alternators for years. :)

Electric Driven Alternator? Isn't that breaking some law of physics?

In all seriousness, highly recommend "engine" driven york, maybe carry one of those cheapy electric ones for emergencies. I've never heard of an electric driven york, but it would seem to me it would just tranfer the load to the alternator (and the engine). I guess what I'm saying is if it takes 4hp to run a york, you either take 4 horse directly from the engine, or from the alternator which then takes it from the engine, you can't get it for free by using an electric motor.

go to the first link in my last post and then click on the picture of the compressor. They tell you about the duty cycle and current draw for their unit. Then you can click on the specification to get more details.

kerryp

If your worried about the HP loss, couldnt you just put the belt to the york on there when you want air? Like stop right before the end of the trail and unlock hubs as well as put your belt on to air up?

Seems like a lot of trouble to me either way. to spent 150 on an electric motor to run the york or take belt on off.

Also seems like a lot to do to avoid loosing a couple horses. Maybe you could rig something up to turn on and off the york from the cab. Like change your ac swith into that or somehting.

Im sure people have probably already done thing though:)

I run a York and love it. It puts alot of air out, self lubricating and is cheap. I run all my air tools off it and a 3 gallon tank and it airs up tires fast too. I doubt it will suck horsepower from your rig because it has an electric clutch to disengage it when not in use. You can control the speed with a hand throttle or such as well.
You could rig up a semi-portable unit with an electric motor, but finding a strong 12 volt motor other than the winch motor may be difficult.

Originally posted by kerryphillips
go to the first link in my last post and then click on the picture of the compressor. They tell you about the duty cycle and current draw for their unit. Then you can click on the specification to get more details.


On the link it states for 100 PSI, it supplies 5 CFM draws 180 amps :eek:

As far as duty cycle here's an excerpt, click on it for the entire statement:

" This compressor has a 25% duty cycle and can run for 12 to 15 minutes at 50 PSI after which it must cool down for 45 minutes to reach ambient temperature again. (http://www.oasis-off-road.com/page4.html)

IMO, its inefficent to convert belt driven power to electricity just so you can use the electrical power to drive a compressor. Plus the added weight of that big mombo elec motor.

I say cut out the middle man, just spin the compressor right off of the engine. I'll guess the engine draw to drive the york directly is alot less than the alternator draw (if the alt could keep up).

Actually, having the alt keep up isn't a big deal cuz the battery would be charging for 45mins every hour while the electric motor cools :p

Originally posted by TyTy
If your worried about the HP loss, couldnt you just put the belt to the york on there when you want air? Like stop right before the end of the trail and unlock hubs as well as put your belt on to air up?

Seems like a lot of trouble to me either way. to spent 150 on an electric motor to run the york or take belt on off.

Also seems like a lot to do to avoid loosing a couple horses. Maybe you could rig something up to turn on and off the york from the cab. Like change your ac swith into that or somehting.

Im sure people have probably already done thing though:)

All engine driven systems I've seen and built used an electric clutch, with the clutch switched off (compressor off) the lost horsepower is basically nil. Like someone else said power is power, when converting it from mechanical to electrical and back to mechanical you just continue to loose efficiency.

chad

Originally posted by TyTy
If your worried about the HP loss, couldnt you just put the belt to the york on there when you want air? Like stop right before the end of the trail and unlock hubs as well as put your belt on to air up?

Seems like a lot of trouble to me either way. to spent 150 on an electric motor to run the york or take belt on off.

Also seems like a lot to do to avoid loosing a couple horses. Maybe you could rig something up to turn on and off the york from the cab. Like change your ac swith into that or somehting.

Im sure people have probably already done thing though:)

I think all York setups have an on/off switch wired in. I know mine does. When the York is turned off (it has a clutch in it) there is very little drag on the engine.

you have to run a switch for the york clutch or you will burn it up real fast. Plus you don't want to be building air to fill your tank while you are driving on the street do you?

S H E E P L E . so aside from electric compressors: Is the only engine driven compressor known to man er sheeple the york?:confused:

I plan on craming this under the hood

and the tank under the box

http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL50/469498/590188/6694382.jpg

anuther

http://pic4.picturetrail.com:80/VOL50/469498/590188/6694446.jpg

Originally posted by Aggro
S H E E P L E . so aside from electric compressors: Is the only engine driven compressor known to man er sheeple the york?:confused:

BAAAHHHHHH, York, BAAAHHHHHHHH, York,

Well its the only compressor I know of that has separate oil resevior, moves ALOT of air and acutally fits under my hood.

http://community.webshots.com/storage/1/v3/6/19/75/29761975RqCvhUlQcG_ph


BAAAHHHHHH, York, BAAAHHHHHHHH, York, :flipoff2:

Originally posted by Aggro
S H E E P L E . so aside from electric compressors: Is the only engine driven compressor known to man er sheeple the york?:confused:

No, you can actually use any air conditioning compressor. The problem is that air conditioning compressors (except Yorks) are lubricated by the air conditioning fluid (whatever that stuff is). Since you will only have air flowing through the compressor there is nothing lubricating it and it will burn up. I do know people that use other compressors and just plan on replacing them when they are toast. Yorks have their own oil container to lubricate them so they are much more reliable and they last longer. We may all be sheeple, but at least we know why we want to be sheeple.:D

Originally posted by GhettoRig


No, you can actually use any air conditioning compressor. The problem is that air conditioning compressors (except Yorks) are lubricated by the air conditioning fluid (whatever that stuff is). Since you will only have air flowing through the compressor there is nothing lubricating it and it will burn up. I do know people that use other compressors and just plan on replacing them when they are toast. Yorks have their own oil container to lubricate them so they are much more reliable and they last longer. We may all be sheeple, but at least we know why we want to be sheeple.:D


Wrong.

There are others that use internal oiling systems. And the ones that don't can easily be oiled with mini oilers, and filters inline.

York's are a great choice for engine driven pumps, but they are far from the only choice.

I believe a Sandia uses a self lubricating system as well. If not, just install a air tool oiler into the suction side for lubrication. It is not that freakin difficult.

Originally posted by Insayn
I believe a Sandia uses a self lubricating system as well. If not, just install a air tool oiler into the suction side for lubrication. It is not that freakin difficult.

since its not that freakin difficult, got pics?

I run a York, not a Sandia.
http://www.insayn.rockcrawler.com/images/combo_pic.jpg

Originally posted by TyTy
If your worried about the HP loss, couldnt you just put the belt to the york on there when you want air? Like stop right before the end of the trail and unlock hubs as well as put your belt on to air up?

Seems like a lot of trouble to me either way. to spent 150 on an electric motor to run the york or take belt on off.

Also seems like a lot to do to avoid loosing a couple horses. Maybe you could rig something up to turn on and off the york from the cab. Like change your ac swith into that or somehting.

Im sure people have probably already done thing though:)
No reason to take the belt off, when the clutch is not powered, you are only turning the pully, it's a sealed roller bearing, not much power loss. You want to make up for it? Take a dump before you go wheeling, less over all rolling mass to move down the trail..:D

Originally posted by Insayn
I run a York, not a Sandia.

LOL, I guess we are both sheeple :flipoff2:

Baaaaaahhhhhh...Baaaaaaaahhhhh

I built this (http://home.gci.net/~bronco78/tech.htm) http://www.off-road.com/ford/bigbroncos/tech/eng_comp.jpg for my bronco several years ago. And am working on an OEM AC pump system from a 5.0 motor swap in to a CJ as we speak. The CJ system will require a pre oilier, and oil separator on the output line, but fits the current motor and space requirements so we are using it.

these work pretty good.

until they are empty.

Yea - exactly like your engine / gas tank.

Seriously...don't let that put you off the power tank (or homebrew). Very few if any are going to run out in a single trip...and if you are concerned, you can always carry an extra tank.

What you get, is ultimate power and ultimate portability.

i was sold the day I blew a bead, and was in danger of rolling off the rocks and into the ocean....with no way to manouver and no way to get any rig within reach...even with a 50' air hose.

No problem - Chad just lifted the power tank from his rig and carried it over.

An engine driven makes a great backup, but for a primary system, you can't beat the power and convenience of a power tank....so you have to pay a few bucks for fill ups...it is WELL worth it.

Don;t need to install anything or maintain anything either (except tank inspection every 5 years).....and it owrks 100%, no heating, no wearing out, and no need to have the engine running or risk running down batteries.

Another example of its superiority. Guy swamps Jeep crossing river......sucks in water but gets it off before hydrolock. Drains battery winching out. Needs to pull plugs on the bank to squirt water out, but plug recess is FULL of crud. If you only have engine or electric driven you're SOL, but with a power tank - high pressure right there to clean them out. Yea - you can put a big low pressure tank on your engine driven...but that's a waste of space for so little stored energy IMHO - old school.

i was sold the day I blew a bead, and was in danger of rolling off the rocks and into the ocean....with no way to manouver and no way to get any rig within reach...even with a 50' air hose.
And had you had a on board air system of your own, you could have plugged you air line in to the QR in front or rear of your vehicle where you smartly installed them and reseated the tire with out a problem. That said,, I like the Power tank idea,,,just have no need for it, since I have an onboard air system :D




An engine driven makes a great backup, but for a primary system, you can't beat the power and convenience of a power tank....so you have to pay a few bucks for fill ups...it is WELL worth it.

Or better yet, build an On board air system and have it always available, no need to carry a spare tank, no concern about another loose cargo item bouncing in the back or during a roll, and no need to get it refilled after every run (gee bob, how much gas is left in that tank?)


Don;t need to install anything or maintain anything either (except tank inspection every 5 years).....and it owrks 100%, no heating, no wearing out, and no need to have the engine running or risk running down batteries.

Well if you value your life ya have to install a very sturdy mount for the tank. You had better take good care of the regulator and tank, and as for over heating?? Never had a problem with my system. Filled up many a jeep's tires after a run, one after another. Used to run the impact on a few long trail repairs.

Another example of its superiority. Guy swamps Jeep crossing river......sucks in water but gets it off before hydrolock. Drains battery winching out. Needs to pull plugs on the bank to squirt water out, but plug recess is FULL of crud. If you only have engine or electric driven you're SOL, but with a power tank - high pressure right there to clean them out.

And since in your example your bat is dead, so you take your high power portable tank and blow out a ounce or two of water from the plug recess, ,, you pull the plug.. umm, and since the bat is dead... how are you planning on cranking the motor over to get the water out of the cyl? and then start it? You are still going to need somebody else’s battery or a jump, in which case you pull the plugs, crank the motor over a few times, install the plugs and start the engine....

Again,,, I like the power tank idea, and it has a place in a vehicle that cannot mount an onboard air system, or if the owner simply likes the method, but better then engine driven??? not IMHO.

I agree with Dan H on this one...engine driven with a Caddy compressor as a back up (these can be found CHEAP).

Fawk it, then do a homebrew high pressure tank and you'll have air coming out your arse.

You can get a variety of air tanks from www.truckn.com
I got a 3 gallon for $33. Better than paying out the a$$ with a Sun Performance POS.

I run an engine driven compressor.To me this is the only way to go.I used a aftermarket AC compressor.It is a Sanyo and has a bolt you take out and put oil in.I just add some every once in while.I have 2 yorks sitting here but I had the Sanyo and brackets for it so I decided to try it.It works great.I have 36" swampers and this will fill them from 7psi to 25 in about 3 minutes.This is all for not one and that is at idle.I haven't finished the setup totally yet.Need to finish the tank and add a pressure switch.For now I have a toggle on the dash.Blazin:rasta:

For those running sbc motors, the gm/fridgidaire a6 is a far superior choice to the Baaahhh york Baaahhh. It has 6 pistons instead of a measly 2. teflon rings that don't wear out, and they pump far more cfm than any baaahhhhh york baaahhhh ever could dream of. But, yorks are great, yeah thats it... at least I'll always have NO problem finding them in the wrecking yard, when all the yorks are being bought up like hotcakes!!:p

Originally posted by Aggro
For those running sbc motors, the gm/fridgidaire a6 is a far superior choice to the Baaahhh york Baaahhh. It has 6 pistons instead of a measly 2. teflon rings that don't wear out, and they pump far more cfm than any baaahhhhh york baaahhhh ever could dream of. But, yorks are great, yeah thats it... at least I'll always have NO problem finding them in the wrecking yard, when all the yorks are being bought up like hotcakes!!:p

ok, so you got my attention.. got pics? What cars are these things in? any advice on how to get one going?

-j

I MUST agree with BRONCO78,

OBA systems rule.. I have had a York in my XJ for 3 years...Never failed once...I had a "homemade powertank" for a bout 2 years... and the cost of getting it filled got OLD real quick.. and the Fawkin regulator froze all of the time because of the depressurizing of the CO2......Dont get me wrong .. it works good if you dont have the space for OBA..I run a 1/2 impact all day long with my YORK...and my Cutoff wheel... Every one was Impressed the day we had to cut U-bolts off on the trail on a friends rig..That sold alot of people...and airing back up in under 5-6 minutes with 36"tires... PRICELESS!!

My setup.. York 210R.. 4 foot hydaulic leader hose on the output side..( output temp is real high.. it then connects to regular Goodyear airhose(instagrip)..the hydraulic hose can with stand very very high temps.. this stops a failure on the trail) to a 7 gallon tank with oil/water separator.. and somewhere in between a 100-125psi off/on presure switch that is also controlled by a dash switch when not in use...I too have a Clutch on my unit.. its the only way to go...

Milkman...? GOT YORK?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Aggro
For those running sbc motors, the gm/fridgidaire a6 is a far superior choice to the Baaahhh york Baaahhh. It has 6 pistons instead of a measly 2. teflon rings that don't wear out, and they pump far more cfm than any baaahhhhh york baaahhhh ever could dream of. But, yorks are great, yeah thats it... at least I'll always have NO problem finding them in the wrecking yard, when all the yorks are being bought up like hotcakes!!:p

Tell us more? You saying this compressor uses no lube? hmm, and the rated output is??? at what RPM? It has 6 pistons? or chambers?, It sounds like a rotary vane type pump. Why don’t the Teflon rings wear out? And what are they used for? Sealing the pump shaft? Or are you implying they are piston rings? What vehicle is this pump used on from the OEM? You stared by saying “For those running sbc motors” why only those motors? Do you have any pics? You have my interest piqued; now we need more info.

Not implying anything. It has 3 double sided, teflon ringed pistons. Double sided: compresses air on the to and fro stroke. The crankshaft is rotary. This is a pic of one on my 350 using factory brackets. They are ac compressors. used only on gm vehicles, oem. any vehicle can use them, but gm's can have factory brackets. I have no specs, but they will outpump a york or sanden any day.

Originally posted by Aggro
Not implying anything. It has 3 double sided, teflon ringed pistons. Double sided: compresses air on the to and fro stroke. The crankshaft is rotary. This is a pic of one on my 350 using factory brackets. They are ac compressors. used only on gm vehicles, oem. any vehicle can use them, but gm's can have factory brackets. I have no specs, but they will outpump a york or sanden any day.

Do you provide it any lube? or is it run dry. What is the duty cycle? ok thats unfair as it was not designed to do what it's being used for,,, so lets just ask, what have you used it for and how long at a time? How long have you been using this pump? I had one of those pumps laying around from my 78 Monza (with a SBC350:D ) and never thought of using that old pump. Built the york instead. It should would fit some vehicles better than a york. Have to wounder though,,,, if it works so well, and Sooooooooooooooooooooo much better than a york, why none on the market? no support, no write ups, no aftermarket parts, supplies. Maybe just a best kept secret... shhhhhhhhhhh, I wont tell...... but I might just go to the yard at lunch and pick one up to play with....can always use a new toy.

I guess I' m infor overkill - I run an ARB for the lockers and a Your for tools and tires. I also have ports on my manifold from the York that will accept my ARB lines if the electric takes a crap. I've also built a homebrew CO2 tank that I plan on having for the truck I am currently searching for.

Cant' be too prepared.

Originally posted by bronco78


Do you provide it any lube? or is it run dry. What is the duty cycle? ok thats unfair as it was not designed to do what it's being used for,,, so lets just ask, what have you used it for and how long at a time? How long have you been using this pump? I had one of those pumps laying around from my 78 Monza (with a SBC350:D ) and never thought of using that old pump. Built the york instead. It should would fit some vehicles better than a york. Have to wounder though,,,, if it works so well, and Sooooooooooooooooooooo much better than a york, why none on the market? no support, no write ups, no aftermarket parts, supplies. Maybe just a best kept secret... shhhhhhhhhhh, I wont tell...... but I might just go to the yard at lunch and pick one up to play with....can always use a new toy.

If I'm not mistaken... there was a write-up about 5 years ago by pewe', not sure of the rag tho. I run it dry, have for 10 years and in that time I have gone thru 2 (I'm ON my 3rd) compressor. Use it regularly to fill my 38's and other's tires. Die grinder to cut a rollcage and fab a driveshaft, air drill, impact etc... Originally I "treated" them with teflon lube but don't anymore. I used to put the in and out hoses into a bucket of tef-lube and run it sucking air and lube for an hour, or till it was real hot, then run it for another hour sucking only air to purge out the lube out. Don't know if it helped or not. As for this:...if it works so well, and Sooooooooooooooooooooo much better than a york, why ... all I can say is Sheep. Once somebody has a good idea, seems like others stop thinking and follow.;)

more info...compressors (http://www.smp-training.com/Counterman/TCDAC/ACSystems/Pages/ac13.html)

Originally posted by Aggro
more info...compressors (http://www.smp-training.com/Counterman/TCDAC/ACSystems/Pages/ac13.html)

Can you tell us which years GM vehicles make/model to look for to find this compressor you're talking about? I have a compressor from my old 75' K5 that's been sitting in the garage for a few years now. Looks almost like the "A6" model on that site you listed. Might have to put it to good use if I can :)
Boss

Somewhere around mid 70's thru early 80's. My 83 sub had one.

Interesting on those compressors.. the A6 has an internal sump and oil pump for lubrication. So... it's like a york but smoother with the 6 pistons.

Hafta look into that. Also, I think it'll fit in my rig better!

-J

Originally posted by Emmettology 101
I was wondering what the best solution is? I see most go with the York with a tank mounted somewhere... Are the electric styles not comparable to the york(as far as performance) or just too expensive?

Click the poll and give an explaination why.... Also, if you choose Elec, please state which compressor you are running...

Thanks!

Hey Mikey.............how about a third alternative? CO2 Power Tank style...........that gets my vote. You can air up, no plumbing BS if you don't want and portable. :usa:

OK, so you guys found the best in engine driven, but what's the best electric compress you could get. I want to install something in my GMC towrig for filling tires and inflatable boat toys...yea, how gay am I...anyway, I want a DC compressor that'll inflate stuff fast.

It has been suggested using a rear A/C compressor from a Suburban or from a car with air ride suspension. Will anything Dc actually have the power to run tools?

My buddy has one of those A6 compressors on his SBC, and I can tell you for damn sure...it ain't outpumping my York. He runs the same tank as I am and it takes him about 2 minutes longer to fill his. baahhh baaahhh

Patrick

I run the engine driven one and it works great. I can fill my 35" Mickeys from 0 to 22 lbs. in 7 minutes. That is all four tires at once. That is fast. I can't do that with an electric. Even the best heat generating electrics can't do it that fast. Also, I don't even run a tank and I can still out perform the average electric.
joe

Got YORK?