So I just got my first CJ.(76 CJ5)
I have a few questions.....
Its got a 304/t150/dana20 .front dana30 rear amc20 from a 84cj7.
My questions are...
Is there a bolt in tranny swap (5spd) that doesn't need a costly adapter?
I only plan on 33's...is SOA to much lift for that ?
I know the AMC20 is junk but is the 30 OK for 33's and a locker?
Any other suggestions for a mild DD/weekend trail rig build?
All help is appreciated.

1.Swap in a Jeep T18a
2.1P axles,weld the AMC 20 tubes
3.Lockers front and rear
4.BDS spring under lift
5.Build a cage
6.33's
7.winch

if you have any more questions use the search

Wow ..35 posts and you are already on the "do a search" bandwagon.
I did... I asked about a 5 spd not a 4 spd..the tranny you suggested needs $$$ to put it in .
I asked about the dana30 not the amc20...Man I appreciate you trying to help but maybe you should read the post before you reply .
Oh ya ...I have a cage in the form of tube in the garage and a winch from my last rig ...those are a given.

Not sure what you are talking about. A jeep T18 bolts right in, it was an option with the setup you have. I put one into a buddies CJ5, even the crossmember has the right holes. You're not going to find any 5 speed that bolts between an AMC and a D20 with no aftermarket adaptors.
The 5 speeds that jeep used behind AMC's used D300 tcases and were generally weak.

The D30 is fine for 33" tires

Wow ..35 posts and you are already on the "do a search" bandwagon.
I did... I asked about a 5 spd not a 4 spd..the tranny you suggested needs $$$ to put it in .
I asked about the dana30 not the amc20...Man I appreciate you trying to help but maybe you should read the post before you reply .
Oh ya ...I have a cage in the form of tube in the garage and a winch from my last rig ...those are a given.

Wow, perhaps you should take some of your own advice and fucking read as well before you open your fuckin piehole?

1st. You could swap in a T-5, but why the fuck do you want to do that? You're still going to need an adapter. This is a rockcrawler board, not a 'hit-the-highway-and-only-run-1800-rpm-at-60-mph-board" We don't give a shit about 5 speeds unless they are an NV4500. If you want a good tranny for offroad, you swap in a T18.

2nd. Perhaps if you learn how to fucking search, you'd see a shit load of threads about using a Dana 30 and 33" tires? Your fine.

3rd. The 20 is the one that everyone is concerned about, that's why it was mentioned. Weld the tubes and run 1 piece axles.

4th. You want to run SOA on narrow trac CJ axles and a 84" wheelbase? You have no fuckin clue what you're doing, you're searching around and see cool terms like "SOA" and "Locker" and you think that you can fit in?

My suggestion for a DD/Mild trail rig. Go to another board and ask them. Quit posting here, this is not kindygarten. :rolleyes:

So I just got my first CJ.(76 CJ5)
I have a few questions.....
Its got a 304/t150/dana20 .front dana30 rear amc20 from a 84cj7.
My questions are...
1. Is there a bolt in tranny swap (5spd) that doesn't need a costly adapter?
2. I only plan on 33's...is SOA to much lift for that ?
3. I know the AMC20 is junk but is the 30 OK for 33's and a locker?
4. Any other suggestions for a mild DD/weekend trail rig build?
All help is appreciated.

1. No, the T18 mentioned above was the best idea. If you stretch the wheelbase, you have all kinds of options from T5 (crap) to NV3550 (not bad), but you have to swap your Tcase to a D300 to do it without adapters, but that is a good/cheap swap anyway.
2. Yes
3. Yes/No depending on what you do with it.
4. Based on this queston alone you are gonna (rightfully) get your butt flamed off around here. Having said that, a small lift, cut the fenders to clear the tires, gears and lockers, 1 piece rear axles and 33s in a CJ5 with your wide track axles would be a great weekend warrior. In fact, it will surprise your friends and neighbors.

Now, if it were me. . .I'd do the one piece axles, truss the rear, do a D44 front (cut down Waggy would match probably), NV3550 (good DD tranny), clocked flat D300 w/4:1, slash the body, stretch the wheelbase about 10 inches Waggies in the front and maybe lifted XJs in the back SUA with a longer shackle/moved back hangar. Bend up a removable rear tubework thingy to hang mudflaps/flares/etc (a buddy did this on his 5, looks horrible but works for the cops) so you can still street it, toss on some 36" tires, Boat Tank in the bed, inject it, winch it, cage it and beef it and you would have a Moderate Daily Driver pretty cheap. Hey. . .you asked. :p

Wow, perhaps you should take some of your own advice and fucking read as well before you open your fuckin piehole?

1st. You could swap in a T-5, but why the fuck do you want to do that? You're still going to need an adapter. This is a rockcrawler board, not a 'hit-the-highway-and-only-run-1800-rpm-at-60-mph-board" We don't give a shit about 5 speeds unless they are an NV4500. If you want a good tranny for offroad, you swap in a T18.

2nd. Perhaps if you learn how to fucking search, you'd see a shit load of threads about using a Dana 30 and 33" tires? Your fine.

3rd. The 20 is the one that everyone is concerned about, that's why it was mentioned. Weld the tubes and run 1 piece axles.

4th. You want to run SOA on narrow trac CJ axles and a 84" wheelbase? You have no fuckin clue what you're doing, you're searching around and see cool terms like "SOA" and "Locker" and you think that you can fit in?

My suggestion for a DD/Mild trail rig. Go to another board and ask them. Quit posting here, this is not kindygarten. :rolleyes:
Take a pill man .
Thanks for answering about the 5 spd ...I read IM MY FUCKING SEARCH that the t18 has to long of input shaft and needs and adapter to mate it .
I wrote the amc20 is junk as in I am gonna scrap it ...I have a Scout 44 to go instead.The axles are widetrac from a 84 CJ7.This is not my first truck it's my first CJ, I have been wheeling for years and didn't just read about lockers and SOA yesterday.I have had 2 other SOA YJ's.1 on 35's and 1 on 38's .Ya I know they have more wheelbase thats why I asked . Incase you can't read I said I appreciated the reply but figured he misread my post so before you jump all over me take a deep breath and couple prozzak.I was not rude like you ...Thank god I don't "fit in " with the likes of you Mr.Indy. And I will continue to post here...I have looked around and not everybody is running Comp rock buggies .

1. No, the T18 mentioned above was the best idea. If you stretch the wheelbase, you have all kinds of options from T5 (crap) to NV3550 (not bad), but you have to swap your Tcase to a D300 to do it without adapters, but that is a good/cheap swap anyway.
2. Yes
3. Yes/No depending on what you do with it.
4. Based on this queston alone you are gonna (rightfully) get your butt flamed off around here. Having said that, a small lift, cut the fenders to clear the tires, gears and lockers, 1 piece rear axles and 33s in a CJ5 with your wide track axles would be a great weekend warrior. In fact, it will surprise your friends and neighbors.

Now, if it were me. . .I'd do the one piece axles, truss the rear, do a D44 front (cut down Waggy would match probably), NV3550 (good DD tranny), clocked flat D300 w/4:1, slash the body, stretch the wheelbase about 10 inches Waggies in the front and maybe lifted XJs in the back SUA with a longer shackle/moved back hangar. Bend up a removable rear tubework thingy to hang mudflaps/flares/etc (a buddy did this on his 5, looks horrible but works for the cops) so you can still street it, toss on some 36" tires, Boat Tank in the bed, inject it, winch it, cage it and beef it and you would have a Moderate Daily Driver pretty cheap. Hey. . .you asked. :p
Down the road I may do ...some...of that .I was thinking of stretching it a bit and I don't have to worry about mudflaps here...laws are a bit different as long as it's not raining I am ok .Thanks for the input .

Thank god I don't "fit in " with the likes of you Mr.Indy. And I will continue to post here...I have looked around and not everybody is running Comp rock buggies .

No, you won't.

You'll ask another lame question and get all butthurt that they didn't answer EXACTLY what you wanted and then someone (Probably myself, Lame, P&T, Keith, Kwrangln, 1mrsWillys to name a few) will call you an ass and you'll do the old "I'm not a newbie so you guys just lay off" :crybaby: shit and then you'll leave.


Save us the aggravation. You're not going to contribute anything other than ask stupid questions and letting people take pot shots at you. Leave before you cry.

Take a pill man .
Thanks for answering about the 5 spd ...I read IM MY FUCKING SEARCH that the t18 has to long of input shaft and needs and adapter to mate it .


That's a wagoneer T18, dumbshit. A cj T18 has a short shaft and bolts right in. Like I said, they came from the factory that way :shaking:

I think you should swap in a T5, BUILD THE SHIT out of the motor for 400 hp at the rear wheels, and drive and fast as it possibly can straight into a brick wall.....it'll hold up

:flipoff2:

Both of my Jeeps have had Chev drivetrains as did my Zuk.
Obviously I don't know shit about Jeep drivelines...thats why I am asking .
I didn't see the Jeep newbie forum...My bad!!

No no, dont use the T-5, get an AX-5 its a much better tranny. integrated bellhousing so you dont have to worry about adapters ect. I think keith is wrong 400hp is too much for a SOA rig better build it to 300. or 250 hp thats more sensable. Or build a stroker 6 cyl. also for your spring over the stock springs are softer and will sit flatter so hieght wont be an issue should yield you about 3.5-4" thatll just barely be enough to fit 33's. The Scout 44 front is a good axle, good caster no issues, you can use your D30 knuckles out and they will bolt on and the hubs will fit the stub shafts on the scout axle also match it with the rear scout 44 and go. but the scout uses the bigger axle joints 760x's which tend to bind in tight turns because of poor design so you may want to look into 260x joints they work better in tighter turns and have more beef to them. The width is good too only a few inches more than your wide trac axles. You might want to re-evaluate your frame though the 1983-86 model years were prone to breaking the boxed frames had some serious issues best to get one from AFW of montana or find a 1976 cj7 non boxed frame so that the frame can flex more instead of just breaking

I woulda picked the peugot 5 speed, but hey, different strokes for different folks.

I didn't see the Jeep newbie forum...

No no, dont use the T-5, get an AX-5 its a much better tranny. integrated bellhousing so you dont have to worry about adapters ect. I think keith is wrong 400hp is too much for a SOA rig better build it to 300. or 250 hp thats more sensable. Or build a stroker 6 cyl. also for your spring over the stock springs are softer and will sit flatter so hieght wont be an issue should yield you about 3.5-4" thatll just barely be enough to fit 33's. The Scout 44 front is a good axle, good caster no issues, you can use your D30 knuckles out and they will bolt on and the hubs will fit the stub shafts on the scout axle also match it with the rear scout 44 and go. but the scout uses the bigger axle joints 760x's which tend to bind in tight turns because of poor design so you may want to look into 260x joints they work better in tighter turns and have more beef to them. The width is good too only a few inches more than your wide trac axles. You might want to re-evaluate your frame though the 1983-86 model years were prone to breaking the boxed frames had some serious issues best to get one from AFW of montana or find a 1976 cj7 non boxed frame so that the frame can flex more instead of just breaking
LMAO
You forgot to add that I should swap out the Dana 20 for a fliped NP231 to handle all that power!Maybe I should weld my driveshafts slip splines solid so they don't twist out ?

I have a SOA '76CJ5 and I bolted a t18 between my 304 and D20 with no problems what so ever. You are sticking a longer tranny into an already short wheelbase, and if you are going SOA the driveshaft angle is an issue, so you’ll have to get a CV shaft. yea yea I know it’s no 5 speed. I’m not positive but I think I read somewhere you can add an Ford t18 overdrive to it…but you’ll have to learn how to use the search button for more on that. :flipoff2:

As mentioned…..SOA on stock axels is bad news….to tall for a CJ

Damn dude, calm down, pissin on people’s advice is no way to go about things….especially on here.

I must have misread my own posts 'cause I thought I only pissed on the people who pissed on me .
If not ... my mistake .
Thanks for the info ..searching for short or common words is useless.
Guess I'll just go with the flaming .

I’m not positive but I think I read somewhere you can add an Ford t18 overdrive to it…but you’ll have to learn how to use the search button for more on that.

I'm positive that if you did read something about a Ford T18 overdrive that it was wrong. No such thing so let that rumor about T18s die here and now. There's already too many misconceptions about them floating around.

:cow:

I must have misread my own posts 'cause I thought I only pissed on the people who pissed on me ..




You pissed on me and all I was doing was helping. I gave good info and you came back talking shit . Looks like the other guys bitch slapped you and put you in your place.


Oh by the way :flipoff:. You will never get any help from me again.

[QUOTE=Terranaut]Man I appreciate you trying to help but maybe you should read the post before you reply .
QUOTE]
Bad choice of words on my part...I didn't mean to shit on ya .

Should have read...
Man I appreciate your help but I was hoping to find a 5spd......

I have a Cj 5 I used to wheel.The AMC 20 is fine if you are going no bigger than 35" and it looked as if you said you were going 33".Just put the 1 piece axle kit in and truss it if you plan on really hammering on it.I had a friend that ran his for along time with his LS1 in there and did not break it.The 30 is real weak but If you do not lock the front up you should be fine as long as you do not hop it to bad on the throttle.Just lock up the rear and enjoy it with some 33" and some 1 piece in the rear.I had a pro comp 4" kit and some good sliders and loved it.I had 33" pro comp MT on 8" rims and used to air down to about 8 psi and had lot's of fun with out losing the bead.It does not concern what you were asking but just letting you know what will work with what you have already.I never had driveshaft issues and it was a daily driver and loved to do this also..
http://www.headtraumacustoms.com/oldjeeppullingwheel.jpg..http://www.headtraumacustoms.com/wheelsinair.jpg

Has anybody even mentoined the issue of driveshaft length? Have fun fitting in a 5spd. Not saying it can't be done, but there's a reason why most people don't bother. A T-18 is a perfect tranny if it's ever going to be offroad. I have heard of people adding a saturn overdrive to a CJ-5, expensive but worth thinking about. But if you have your heart set on a 5spd, I hear pugeot makes a nice one. :flipoff2:

See if you can find some torx bellhousing bolts to go with your poooog tranny.