Are you guys running this combo for rocks and mud or has anyone run the combo for strickly rocks? I have some width numbers Im trying to reach for the slut and also do you run a wider rim in the rear for the boggers?

Mike-

I don't run a Swamper/Bogger combo, but my experience in mud is that it's okay to run different widths & different rims front/rear. But, for best results, you need the centers of the front tires to line up with the centers of the rears.

Example, same tires front & rear on same size rim, but rear has 4" narrower track. Run 2" less backspacing on rear rims to make fronts & rears line up.

Same track front & rear, but 38.5X11 Boggers in front on 7" rims & 39.5" Boggers in rear on 14" wide rims. Most would run same backspacing, but you really need MORE B/S on the rear. That gap between the left & right lugs on the front tires needs to line up with the same gap in the rear. If not, you'll have trouble keeping the truck straight.

TEX

Lots of people around here run that combo... but I don't like it.

My own personal, un-substantiated opinion (other than seeing them in action) is that the setup SUCKS.

The reason most give around here is to save the front 60 from exploding from too much traction when bouncing on the slick rocks.... yet they still break.

From what I have seen of them, it is a self-fulfilling prophesy of sorts. The TSL's just don't grab as good as the boggers, so theyhave to punch it harder to try to get up/over. End result is they still break - but at 5k rpm instead of 2k rpm.... Not only that, from having to get into it harder, I see more proken parts on other areas of the rig as part of the chain reaction...

Again, this is just IMHO ;)

Just a bit of trivia: the two tires are made by different companies.
TSL is made by Denman and Bogger is made by STA.

Before you say "Dude, last time I checked Interco made Swampers and Boggers" call the company and ask them;)

My advice is pick one. If it was me, I'd pick the Swamper. I don't think that the Bogger really has much advantage over the regular Swamper. Not around here anyways....

I've run the exact combo tex mentioned 38.5 on 7s and 39.5 on 14s both boggers tho. .
It works great in the rocks, the skinny fronts pick the lines while the fat rears do the work. I have been running about 4-6 lbs. in the rears and 12-15 lbs. in the fronts so I won't bend the rims if I hit something real hard. The skinny tire will be easier on the axle and will turn sharper in the rocks, but in deep mud they sink fast.
Imho, boggers are the best offroad tire there is, swampers are next best, mix or match they are gonna give you good traction

Originally posted by dirtrod
I've run the exact combo tex mentioned 38.5 on 7s and 39.5 on 14s both boggers tho. .
It works great in the rocks, the skinny fronts pick the lines while the fat rears do the work. I have been running about 4-6 lbs. in the rears and 12-15 lbs. in the fronts so I won't bend the rims if I hit something real hard. The skinny tire will be easier on the axle and will turn sharper in the rocks, but in deep mud they sink fast.
Imho, boggers are the best offroad tire there is, swampers are next best, mix or match they are gonna give you good traction


i dont run em like that but ive seen dirtrod and his gang run like that for years... it does work.

Actaully I hate to disagree with you DRM :D ..i run the combo and I like it..But, my 44 inch boggers in the rear are missing all the "little lugs"...The tires flex a 100 times better and actually will work as a springboard when you hit something really hard with them..That is why DRM will see those of us locally running this combination hitting stuff at 5 grand is because when the cut boggers hit the object(44 inch ones with little lugs missing) it bounces you up and over the ledge...Plus, you get a pretty healthy bite with the little lugs missing..I don't run them in the front because the boggers tend to slide sideways on sideslopes..which is even worse when they are cut...The only problem with the cutting the little lugs off is it make the edges onthe big lugs break faster...This is just my 2 cents..hope it helps.I meant to add I run these strictly for the wet rocks of the southeast...oops, meant wet muddy pebbles as Lance likes to call them:D:D

I was expecting your opposing opinion Brian ;)

The combo also works well in deep mud because Boggers have a tendancy to dig for China when momentum slows. TSL's on the other hand will continue to pull you forward beyond the point when Boggers just go DOWN. The other problem with Boggers is that they zap SO much power that having 4 of them will really slow down your tire speed, as opposed to just running a pair. And if you slow your tire speed too much, Boggers just don't work AT ALL in deep mud - they pack up at speeds where a TSL will still self-clean. For these two reasons, I don't recommend Boggers AT ALL on full-size trucks in really deep (bottomless) mud, and on the rear only on downsize machines. I also don't recommend 'em for anyone who doesn't have the MUSCLE to turn them. Just to give you an example, there's a guy in my mud racing class with a full-roller 383 Chevy in a Wrangler. He's tried just about every tire you can imagine in the 33-36" range. Q78 TSL's are the best he's had with 34X9.50's next. Despite weighing in at less than 4k & having 500+HP, he couldn't make 35" Boggers work properly - and he tired it with 4 & 2.

Now, were he to be running exclusively in shallow mud, I'd suggest Boggers at all 4 corners. Boggers bite better on semi-hard, greasy surfaces than do TSL's - even 34's. This I guess is why they're so popular on muddy trail runs. I would think they'd provide better forward biting traction on slimy ledges than other tires. Just a guess though as trails aren't something I've done much of in a NUMBER of years.

TEX

Thanks guys.. I hate to say it but this is all for the Sami for Rocks. Im trying a narrow rear end 62wide and a early chevy front 44 67.5. My first huge notice was how tight I could steer and how well a 83" WB overpowered a spooled rear. So I was thinking in Cal Rocs If I got past the flag with the front it would give me that little extra to clear the rear tire... BUT I dont want 34.5's tsls on the rear. I have run 39" boggs 39" tsls and 44" tsls but never mixed them um. So I think with 35 14 boggs on the rear I would have all the push I need and like dirt rod said the skinnys on the front on 7" wheels would let me NAIL the line I want.. These things would be grooved to hell to so flex is no worry so mud is out but it sounds like Dirt rods works good? Any thoughts on this combo Im kicking around?

Mike-

I do have a ? about mud bogging stuff though..I run my 76 highboy for my shop beater mud beater... well Im building a flatbed for it and want to put duals on it. Its got 4.10 in it and I just built a heathy C6 for it for mud and easy towing and around town. I want duals in the rear but want to run 36 or 38 inch tsls but have only seen people so this in the mags... so how do they do it and does any one make rims that are like 7" wide and can you still air down duals? Do I have to run 38 boggs to get the clearence I want.... I want to take it to Rubicon clean up this year so it needs to wheel still. its also hauling the sami on the flat bed so Id rather have TSls for wear but ???

Mike-

Originally posted by reddwarf
Just a bit of trivia: the two tires are made by different companies.
TSL is made by Denman and Bogger is made by STA.



Who is STA. That explains why the compound seems so diferent to me. who makes the SX's?

I know you are a Swamper fan but, Michelin makes some 39"x11"x16 tires that are pretty aggressive. You need to run about a 2-3" spacer if you want to run lower air pressures. They last really well, are 10 ply radials, ride and balance excellent, and dig really well. I would say that they dig as good or better as TSL's. Only problem is that they are pricey and hard to find. I sell them for 325US each, but I am out of stock right now. It sounds expensive but they last twice as long as any swamper.

Just my $.02
--Don

Originally posted by Snowball
I do have a ? about mud bogging stuff though..I run my 76 highboy for my shop beater mud beater... well Im building a flatbed for it and want to put duals on it. Mike-


My suggestionis dual 38.5x11 boggers rear, 38.5x15 TSL's front :cool2:

Originally posted by Snowball
I do have a ? about mud bogging stuff though..I run my 76 highboy for my shop beater mud beater... well Im building a flatbed for it and want to put duals on it. Its got 4.10 in it and I just built a heathy C6 for it for mud and easy towing and around town. I want duals in the rear but want to run 36 or 38 inch tsls but have only seen people so this in the mags... so how do they do it and does any one make rims that are like 7" wide and can you still air down duals? Do I have to run 38 boggs to get the clearence I want.... I want to take it to Rubicon clean up this year so it needs to wheel still. its also hauling the sami on the flat bed so Id rather have TSls for wear but ???

Mike-

Your other option is to go with a Q78 TSL. Damn near as tall as a 36, but narrower. Would work better in a dual-tire scenario. Or, R85 Buckshot Mudders. 'Bout the same diameter as 38" TSL's, but slightly narrower. And they work well on very narrow rims (I've seen 'em on 6" rims). In the mud, you'll be wishing you'd just stuck with 4 tires though.

TEX

yea on the 4 tire thing but I want to run the sami on the back of it... Single wheel with mudders could be un cool? I run 315's on it now and would stay with it but the load cappacity isnt there.

Mike-

Taradon could you post a pic of that tire or a link please
thnx

Originally posted by Gordon


Who is STA. That explains why the compound seems so diferent to me. who makes the SX's?

STA is Specialty Tire of America. They also make the Thornbird:emb4: DOH!

TSL/SX is made by Denman also.