I would like to fit 36's originally, but later on move up to 38's. Jeeper has recommended the Alcan 2.5 Springs. Am I better of getting 3" Springs or will that be to much? I would prefer to not run a BD so thats why I am leaning more towards the 3" or even the 3.5" Springs. Any help would be apprecited.... I'm racking my brain here. Thanx....
Alex

i have soa with 3.5" and i bairly clear 35's

the more you wheel it, the more it'll squat down

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1145&highlight=Cherokee+springs

I easily fit 35's with 4" spring under and a little trimming + 2" bL

http://www.gotjeep.net/images/temp/DSC00808.JPG

http://www.gotjeep.net/images/temp/DSC00807.JPG

I can easily clear 37 boggers with my stock 6 leaf military wraped rear laredo springs. they are very nice becaue they net u about 2 inches of lift over other stock spring and they flex like crazy. Just my opinion though I have heard great things on the alcan springs

were did you get those spring at Bgcj5

U can get them out of the rear of any 76 -86 cj7 laredo

it has to be a laredo?

ummm, by his name I am assuming that he has a 91 YJ.....in which case I would STRONGLY recomend AGAINST using CJ springs unless he's putting on new mounts as well.

a basic soa will fit 33's NICE, will stuff a 35 if you're pushing it.

if you are looking to go bigger soon that I guess it's your personal prefrence. the key is to get teh biggest possible tire with the least ammount of lift. If you are fond of your bodywork than go with the bigger lift. If you don't mind, go with the smaller of teh two and chop your fenders later.

body lift is also an option...but I would avoid this unless you are going to dana 300 or to a belly up/flat bottom for t-case clearance.

My springs are ~1" lift + 1" body. I lowerered the stops a little & some minor trimming to barely clear my 35's.

Originally posted by mkbruin
ummm, by his name I am assuming that he has a 91 YJ.....in which case I would STRONGLY recomend AGAINST using CJ springs unless he's putting on new mounts as well.

and why is that?

'cuz CJs use narrower springs up front.

CJ rears all the way around work nicely on a YJ

My current plan is to use Superlift 1" YJ lift springs on my CJ. Add an inch in body lift, a dash of sawzall, and I'm hoping to run 37-38.5s

Originally posted by Mo
'cuz CJs use narrower springs up front.

CJ rears all the way around work nicely on a YJ

My current plan is to use Superlift 1" YJ lift springs on my CJ. Add an inch in body lift, a dash of sawzall, and I'm hoping to run 37-38.5s

yes but bgcj5 said rear cj springs. i know cj's run narrower springs in the front. i just want to know why he thinks you can't run rear cj springs at all 4 corners on a yj without changing the mounts.:D

Doh! missed that part.

I THINK that there is a slight difference in the spring length... but nothing that would require you to re-do the perches...

Originally posted by Mo
Doh! missed that part.

I THINK that there is a slight difference in the spring length... but nothing that would require you to re-do the perches...

a yj can run cj rears at all 4 corners. i have heard of guys running the hd rear cj springs from jc whitney on all 4 corners on yjs. i run these springs at all 4 corners on my cj but i havve run yjs in the past too. :D

91 YJ (Alex),

I love to help people, it's one of the things I enjoy most about the forums....helping others and being helped yourself.

In fact, I like your plan.......I'm doing the same thing.

But, it's common courtesy, when you email people to identify who you are, and where you know this person from.

So, I run 2.5" OME springs (similar to code5337..Chris) SOA, but I also run a 1" body lift and TJ flares on my YJ. Currently (financial limitations) I am running 35" Grabbers (these are cheap decent tires that make great street/winter tires for here in Maine), but I can easily run 38" TSls or SXs. That is what I'm building for....38s.

Actually I am currently running Wag (7 leaf) in the front right now, because the J1R model OME springs I was running on the front, seemed to actually be a little short (I'm talking length). The front shackle angle was basically straight up and down........so my droop was severely limited by this. I checked the shocks , brake lines, etc. and nothing else was limiting the front. Basically my front flex was HORRIBLE with those springs.

I have friends running the 2" BDS springs, and they are more than happy. I agree that shooting for a low CoG is a good idea.

So another factor is axle width, BS on the wheels etc. I'm running a GW 44 and an 8.8 rear with 1" wide adapters on each side. My current wheels have 4" BS.

I do have a slightly wider (63") 14 bolt c & c rear going in this summer.

Charly

I've got stock height 6 leaf YJ springs on all four corners, 1" shackle lift and TJ flares and I can clear 38's easily. (eventhough I only have little bitty 35's :( )

Originally posted by 1MutCJ7
I've got stock height 6 leaf YJ springs on all four corners, 1" shackle lift and TJ flares and I can clear 38's easily. (eventhough I only have little bitty 35's :( )
Stock springs and you can fit 38's? How high and how much trimming did you do when mounting the TJ flares?;)

Originally posted by massey2jeep

Stock springs and you can fit 38's? How high and how much trimming did you do when mounting the TJ flares?;)

Actually, there may be an inch in the springs. I added two leafs two the four pack YJ's. I'm assuming it is around stock height.

I couldn't believe how much the TJ flares opened up the fenders. I only cut about 2" out of the fenders, but if you ever look at how the flares are set up, they open it up a lot more than 2". It's hard to explain. I'm probably going to go back to stock shackles to lower the CG a little since there is more room. I'd like to put on a set of 38's to see if they rub at all when flexed. :D

My front suspension is a full set of stock YJ springs (front and rear) minus the shortest leaf from the rear. So the spring packs end up 8 leaf. I am also running a two inch body lift (some are traditional body lift mounts, and some body mounts are built into the cage). Th front fenders are also cut completely off (level with the bottom of the hood). I run 38.5 SXs. The rear suspension is not a springover, so I can't be of much help there. You can fit any tire you want if you are willing to cut enough sheetmetal off.

I also have stock springs with one extra main leaf from another stock yj pack, along with bestop tj flares and 36" PJ's fit easily. Again about 2 inches of trimming for the flares to fit.

I am running stock springs SOA with an extra main leaf and a procomp 4" pack leaf in them also. In the rear I used the main leaf. In the front I used the second leaf.

--Steve

I really gotta wonder about the stock springs (even with an additional leaf) working with 38's even with TJ flares. Hell, I'm flat fendered and chopped in the rear with 2.5" alcans and still stuff the front so that its barely rubbing. AND, these springs haven't even worn in yet! I wanna see pics of SOA stocks springs flexing with TJ flares that don't rub 36's or 38's! You guys said it, lets see it!

Jeeper

Originally posted by Jeeper
I really gotta wonder about the stock springs (even with an additional leaf) working with 38's even with TJ flares. I wanna see pics of SOA stocks springs flexing with TJ flares that don't rub 36's or 38's! You guys said it, lets see it!

Jeeper

I rubbed a little bit with the stock flares(keep in mind I only have 35's), nothing major. I don't rub at all with the TJ flares, and I'm guessing it would go back to rubbing a little bit with 38's. 37's would probably be ideal.

I think this would be a good experiment, so if someone wants to donate some 38" SX's, I'll be more than happy to try them out and see what happens :D :beer:

the lift you need all depends on how much up travel you have..sure you can run 38's ..with stock over axle springs...if...you only plan on driving on the street or cuttin most of your fenders away. I run 37 ssr's and 3 in alcan front springs soa. i have probably...atleast a 12-14 in between my finder flare (stock) and my tire...and my tire will stuff in the flare.
but then that has to do with how soft the spring is...a stiff spring will not flex as much therby allowing you to run less lift.
for climbing steep stuff..you really hurt yourself if you go to tall..im noticing this already..even with 101 in wheel base.
and.the diff between 2 1/2 and 3 in lift is not all that noticable.

i run 4 inch skyjackers soa, they have sagged to like 3 inch, and i run a 3 inch body lift, my front is flatfendered and the rear is cut out a lot no flares, and i easily clear 44 inch tsls
adam:smokin:

Originally posted by moabyj
the lift you need all depends on how much up travel you have..sure you can run 38's ..with stock over axle springs...if...you only plan on driving on the street or cuttin most of your fenders away. I run 37 ssr's and 3 in alcan front springs soa. i have probably...atleast a 12-14 in between my finder flare (stock) and my tire...and my tire will stuff in the flare.
but then that has to do with how soft the spring is...a stiff spring will not flex as much therby allowing you to run less lift.
for climbing steep stuff..you really hurt yourself if you go to tall..im noticing this already..even with 101 in wheel base.
and.the diff between 2 1/2 and 3 in lift is not all that noticable.

Up travel is over rated if you like to go steep.
Up travelis the easiest thing to do without, once you realize that the C of G has to be kept as low as possible to climb the impossible. there are some very cool tricks to keeping the suspension tucked up tight for steep climbs, but bottom line is,.. if going vertical is your thing, you probably dont need more than about 4 inches of shock piston rod, showing in your neutral suspension stance.

[edit] for an axample, of a point and shoot type of suspension, just look at Chri Durams rig, then compare that to his,"Escape Velocity" driving style. You cant argue with his ability to make almost any climb

I just installed a set of 38.5. I have a spring over with RE 2.5 springs. It has no body lift. I have had the sawzall a singin' on the body. I am thinking about ordering a set of Rancho 44044 springs (Waggy) Do any of you guys run these? I live in IN and there are not many rocks. Lots of trails and such. I saw that rockslut had them. How far do they move the axles forward and back?

Originally posted by bigjeepinYJ
I just installed a set of 38.5. I have a spring over with RE 2.5 springs. It has no body lift. I have had the sawzall a singin' on the body. I am thinking about ordering a set of Rancho 44044 springs (Waggy) Do any of you guys run these? I live in IN and there are not many rocks. Lots of trails and such. I saw that rockslut had them. How far do they move the axles forward and back?

I am thinking about going this route as well. From what Ive heard they'll give you 2.5" more length per axle. so if you put them on front and rear you could gain 5 inches of wheelbase. Correct me if im wrong guys.

Originally posted by Rockbuggy


I am thinking about going this route as well. From what Ive heard they'll give you 2.5" more length per axle. so if you put them on front and rear you could gain 5 inches of wheelbase. Correct me if im wrong guys.

That is the same info that I have gathered...now another question about the 44044 is are they the same from eye to eye as wrangler springs??? I haven't gotten a deffinite answer on this yet:confused:

Originally posted by Supergper


That is the same info that I have gathered...now another question about the 44044 is are they the same from eye to eye as wrangler springs??? I haven't gotten a deffinite answer on this yet:confused:

I've been told that they are are the same length as wrangler springs and the pin is 2" off set to one side.

Originally posted by Supergper


That is the same info that I have gathered...now another question about the 44044 is are they the same from eye to eye as wrangler springs??? I haven't gotten a deffinite answer on this yet:confused:

i don't know about the 44044's but i do know the stock waggy front springs are longer than the wranglers.

Ive got a set of 44044 boingers on the front of my YJ now, and I have a couple of 6 leaf stock sets, in the garage that I pilfer to use to build custom packs. They are within about a half inch of the YJ leafs in length. They will add about 1" to 1 1/2" of wheel base. I have heard of people getting more wb from them, but I have done it with several different leaf packs, and thats all I get.

I used Big Dog Suspension CJ rears on all four corners with my SOA. I tried using the stock CJ but they sagged to much. You can see pics at www.peake.com/occ/mycj
Chris

I have 2" BDS YJ springs in the front, and 2-1/2" CJ springs in the rear, SOA. I clear my 38's. But I do have a 1" body lift.

I have 2" Skyjacker springs over the axle, 1" body lift, and 38" SX's and they rub in the front of the rear tires slightly (after trimming for TJ flares). They also rub the rear of the front tires in the inner fenders, sometimes pretty hard. I have lowered my bumpstops to within 2" of the axle at rest. Flexes really good in the front and adequate in the back.

pics on


Central Iowa 4 Wheelers homepage (http://home.att.net/~gallerystorage/gallery_frameset.html)

jefe here. I've been through a lot of different leaf combinations on jeeps i've run. Currently I'm running 9 YJ leaves on the front of my CJ8 and 10 leaf military wrap CJ rear springs. There are a lot of variables to take into consideration. With the Warn #8274 up front (at about 140#s) that needs more leafing. When I went to the D60 rr axle, it weighs so much more than the old AMC20, I needed more leaves just to handle the added weight of the axle itself. With the steel off-your-rocker rr quarter panels, H.D. tire and tire rack, 24 gal. steel gas tank with steel skid hanging back there, more leaves were in order. The thing is, it's a do-it-yourself spring thing.
With some fender trimming, front and rear, no body lift, I run the 36" Swamper Radials and they don't rub. Not ever, and I have a lot of travel. Now, when I go to 38's, I'll have to deal with that as it comes.
For an in-depth discussion of springs for SOA jeeps, go to my website.
http://homepage.mac.com/jefe/
Here's some basic spring lengths:
YJ: 2.5" wide, frnt/rr, 45.5" long, centered centering hole (measured center of bushing hole to center of bushing hole)
70's CJ: frnt: 1-3/4"wide, 39-3/4", rr: 1-3/4" wide, 46" long.
80's CJ: frnt: 2" wide, 45" long, rr: 2-1/2" wide, 45" long
70's Commando: frnt: 2" wide, 46" long, rr: 2-1/2" wide, 56" long (!)
(both ends with centering hole off set)
70's Wagoneer: frnt: 2-1/2" wide, 44" long, rr: 2-1/2" wide, 52" long
(both ends with offset centering holes)
early 70's J trucks: frnt: 2" wide, 44" long, centered holes, rr: 2-1/2" wide, 57" long, centered holes.
These all could be considered when doing a spring swap.
regards, as always, jefe

RE 2.5" XD or if you wanna go real big, get the 4.5" XDs.

HD CJ rears, or Waggys

I have the 3.5" Black Diamond leaf springs. I've run them for 2 years now; sua. I'm going to soa them when I do my axle swap. How much lift will that give me? Are they good springs to use or too stiff? I think they are 6 leaf front and 5 leaf in the rear with the military wrap.

Originally posted by BlueJeep
I have 2" Skyjacker springs over the axle, 1" body lift, and 38" SX's and they rub in the front of the rear tires slightly (after trimming for TJ flares). They also rub the rear of the front tires in the inner fenders, sometimes pretty hard. I have lowered my bumpstops to within 2" of the axle at rest. Flexes really good in the front and adequate in the back.

Here ya go BlueJeep:
http://www.ci4wi.org/Galleries/gallery16/mvc-010s.jpg

i run 4 inch skyjackers soa, they have sagged to like 3 inch, and i run a 3 inch body lift, my front is flatfendered and the rear is cut out a lot no flares, and i easily clear 44 inch tsls

I don't know about "easliy". Sounds like a lotta work to me. Just kidding rockracer. :flipoff2: I'm sure it's worth. Just sounded funny when I read it. :p :D

My '91 has stock YJ springs, with the 2nd leaf removed, and an add-a-leaf instead (mainly for the ride).
I could probably go 35's, but i'd be getting "stuffage" really quick. I would need to BL or get taller springs to go bigger, but as i'm still running stock axles, i'll stay "small" for now. :(

Still seems to flex ok though :D.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ukjeeper/pix/tj/P6190006.jpg

I have 4 inch SOA custom packs with 3/4 buggies in back and Industrial jackass style length shackles in the front :D I run 38s that Barely rub without any trimming. If I cut an inch out I could run 40's no prob. I didnt read the hole post :flipoff2: But figured I would let you know :p

I had BDS 3.5 rear packs all around, w/ 1 leaf removed (soa) flexed like MAD but I bent the shit out of them :(

I now have 2.5 prochump CJ REARS all around (1"shackle), they are too stiff for me. I'm thinking of using bds 3.5 mains w/ yj leafs. I'm going to check out the black diamond stuff too.

i run 35s and have a ton of clearance

Has anyone done a write up on a SOA w/waggy springs? Or just some basic tips? btw, I'm still in search of some 7leaf waggy springs. Anybody have any?

Here is my almost free method, I'll run it until it sags out or gets all twisted. XJ main leaf. Another XJ main below that w/ eyes cut off. The rest of the pack alternates between XJ and YJ rears, with 7 leafs total. Clears 39.5's with cut fenders, sits almost flat and flexes decent. Wraps a bit too. :rolleyes:

I have SOA 1.5 RE springs, 1.5 Body lift and 36 SX's. Works great and no rubbing

http://ovo.ca/utnl2002/S_68-rubicon-Shawn.jpg

Originally posted by sfraser
I have SOA 1.5 RE springs, 1.5 Body lift and 36 SX's. Works great and no rubbing

http://ovo.ca/utnl2002/S_68-rubicon-Shawn.jpg




Good to see ya didnt waste any time or money, on one of those stupid roll cages:rolleyes:

The cage is next. Should have one in before August 31's Rock Crawl event out here in Ontario Canada. I'm thinking of making it out of 2" DOM tube 120 wall. To plates in the tub floor then to frame tie ins.

Originally posted by WideJ
i have soa with 3.5" and i bairly clear 35's

the more you wheel it, the more it'll squat down

I got stock FLAT YJ springs and they are fine with my 35's, axle is moved forward a tad but it tucks well and droops like mad

http://www.rivercityrockcrawlers.com/TechReports/BornAgain/jeep_5_2002.jpg

I'd just go SOA and worry about the springs when ya get the tires, but ya can't go wrong with alcans either