What do I need?

CTMs
Warn Shafts
OX or ARB locker
Spicer gears
Warn premium hubs
Disc brakes
High steer

front or rear?

front

This is what ive got:

"Forged" CTMs ( not installed yet :D )
Warn Shafts
Yukon Spool
Precision gears
Warn premium hubs
Disc brakes
Avalanche High steer

any pics?

Do I want hp

Sure, I guess high pinion is great for a dream front. I have a chevy d44 w/ discs, arb, hy-steer, warn axles...and it works fine with the pinion pointed at the X'fer. Hardly ever touch a rock, and you won't either until you start wheelin' JV.

BTW, you are gonna make the 4RNR jambo in April, RIGHT?

mines a low pinion too. Got it out of a 82' waggy :D

Will a high pinion dif support 5.38s:D

Hey what about the chromoly tubes? hehe
behind the axle tie rod would be nice! and brackets for a 4 link and coilovers. :)
later
bob

Randy's site lists 5.38 "reverse rotation"
www.ring-pinion.com/a-gm.html

Here is a link to a LONG article on building a D44 front for my XJ. It is missing the Warn shafts and CTM's, but otherwise, it is setup pretty nice. Jeff
http://www.madxj.com/MADXJ/technical/technicalfiles/JeffFrontD44/JeffsFrontD44.html

Dynatrac high pinion hi steer with Warn premium hubs, 3/4 ton knuckles and brakes, Warn shafts, Spicer gears, ARB locker, solid bar steering linkages and trackbar.
Just gotta get the CTM joints now.

all is good, but if your building to to be the best, ditch the hubs and get some slugs to throw in there

Nobody's gonna say it?

:flipoff2: DANA 60:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Weezer
:flipoff2: DANA 60:flipoff2:

Thanks man I was getting nervous :)

Originally posted by 85 rocrnr
any pics?

there's some pics of my 44 here's http://www.geocities.com/yj3qtr_ton/dana44front.html it's not the ultimate, but built on a budget....

my 44 wish list would be just like everyone else,
except for a detroit locker.
also add hydraulic assit steering

The ultimate Dana 44 is a Dana 44 that honorably bows down and gives up it's place to a dana 60 :D

By the time you buy ctms and warns you could have bought a 60..:D

Originally posted by Pat
By the time you buy ctms and warns you could have bought a 60..:D


A lot of guys building some of the best RockCrawling rigs in the country dont want the weight of the 60 in the front of their light weight rigs.
There are also many people out there that already have D44, built up to the point that they dont want to dump em.
All anyone needs is an axle that can reliably handle the abuse they give it. The main thing driving the D60 craze, is the fact that the D44 could not handle the abuse at the joints. The CTM's solve this problem.
Many guys are still gonna need to go to D60's due to the abuse they will put their gear through. But the D60, D60, D60 hoopla will not be wasted on every guy who installs 38" tires and points his rig uphill.
Personally, I know I need to go to a D60, and plan to do so, in the next few months. If I dont, Ill end up blowing a D44 ring and pinion, or ARB to shreads. I have already blown up the inner splines on a Warn Hub,on the driver side. I have also twisted the inner splines, on my Warn High strength shafts on the driver side( I found the twist, when I removed the axle the other night).
But for the majority of guys who are just having trouble keeping joints together, this is an affordable and very reliable, alternative to building a brand new axle.(especialy with the high costs of D60's recently) .


Now for the ultimate D44, mine is fairly close, with Hydraulic ram assist, behind the diff tie rod, 1 1/2" solid rod linkage with 1 ton TRE's, CTM's, Warns shafts, spicer gears and an ARB. It could be built up though with 33 spline OX locker/Detroit, and the Currie D60 outers and yokes conversion(do a search, someone posted about the conversion a few weeks ago). But it costs $3000 plus,(now thats going overboard, for anyone but a high dollar competition team with an ultra light rig).

In any case the D60 isnt the only option for anyone running 38's anymore.

60's are for losers, go w/ 2.5 ton rockwells! hehe
bob

How about some 300M shafts????? ehhh???

D60:flipoff2:

cool thing about the 2.5's is that they are HUGE

Bad thing is they are HUGE

unless you have the 10g's each to buy them from avalalnche

wow that rocwell makes the 60 look :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

Originally posted by H8monday



A lot of guys building some of the best RockCrawling rigs in the country dont want the weight of the 60 in the front of their light weight rigs.
There are also many people out there that already have D44, built up to the point that they dont want to dump em.
All anyone needs is an axle that can reliably handle the abuse they give it. The main thing driving the D60 craze, is the fact that the D44 could not handle the abuse at the joints. The CTM's solve this problem.
Many guys are still gonna need to go to D60's due to the abuse they will put their gear through. But the D60, D60, D60 hoopla will not be wasted on every guy who installs 38" tires and points his rig uphill.
Personally, I know I need to go to a D60, and plan to do so, in the next few months. If I dont, Ill end up blowing a D44 ring and pinion, or ARB to shreads. I have already blown up the inner splines on a Warn Hub,on the driver side. I have also twisted the inner splines, on my Warn High strength shafts on the driver side( I found the twist, when I removed the axle the other night).
But for the majority of guys who are just having trouble keeping joints together, this is an affordable and very reliable, alternative to building a brand new axle.(especialy with the high costs of D60's recently) .


Now for the ultimate D44, mine is fairly close, with Hydraulic ram assist, behind the diff tie rod, 1 1/2" solid rod linkage with 1 ton TRE's, CTM's, Warns shafts, spicer gears and an ARB. It could be built up though with 33 spline OX locker/Detroit, and the Currie D60 outers and yokes conversion(do a search, someone posted about the conversion a few weeks ago). But it costs $3000 plus,(now thats going overboard, for anyone but a high dollar competition team with an ultra light rig).

In any case the D60 isnt the only option for anyone running 38's anymore.

AMEN!

It sort of annoys me to see a D60 used as a status symbol......

Originally posted by Chief Yelling Alot
wow that rocwell makes the 60 look :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

just you wait. my 60 project is gonna make rockwells look like junk. :D

Originally posted by Pat
By the time you buy ctms and warns you could have bought a 60..:D

:eek:

Where can you buy 58" D60's with 5 on 5-1/2 bolt pattern, locked, with gears for around $1500?:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Pat
By the time you buy ctms and warns you could have bought a 60..:D

I just built my 44, over getting a 60 cause i didnt want all that dead weight, and fuck plowing my diff over ever fucking rock cause its huge....

As far as the buildup the 44 can be much cheaper than doing a 60 front wwwaaayyyy cheaper dude.

My 44 has cost me about $2500.00 complete/ Thats the 44 out of a waggy/ R&P 4.88 spicer,Detroit,Hysteer setup,CTM"s,Warn Shafts/Warn Hubs. Now with the CTM's the 44 has been just as reliable as a Fat boy 60 up front, and thats proven from alot of people on this board... So why wouldnt I want to go with a 44 thats lighter, smaller, and just as strong as a 60???? Where can I find a fully decked out 60 for $2500.00???

With the addition of CTM's and Warn shafts that does not put you anywhere near a postion to justify getting rid off the 44 and swaping a 60.. CTM's are 300 bucks from Jack, and Warn Shafts are $549 bucks from driveTrain with a Lifetime warranty, and the CTM's have a lifetime warranty also ..
So for about a little over $800 bucks you have a pretty much bulletproof setup, with lifetime warranties ,this can be the last set off shafts and ujoints you'll ever have to buy...

Just my .02...... But I dont think there is a need for a 60 up front with the CTM's and a 44....

Originally posted by camo


just you wait. my 60 project is gonna make rockwells look like junk. :D

Still won't have the ground clearance possible with a rockwell... the only way I can see you making rockwell look like junk is if you get the new Tera polished aluminum center section :flipoff2:

Originally posted by LOS-YJ



So for about a little over $800 bucks you have a pretty much bulletproof setup, with lifetime warranties ,this can be the last set off shafts and ujoints you'll ever have to buy...

Just my .02...... But I dont think there is a need for a 60 up front with the CTM's and a 44....

Bulletproof? Yeah right! And as far as lifetime warranty? Sure, and when you are waiting for your replacements I will be out wheeling with my 60.

I admit for some people the D44 is a bueatiful thing. But just like the CTM joints are a step above the 297's the D60 is a step above the D44. And always will be. I dont care how much you build it up.:D :D

Originally posted by LOS-YJ


As far as the buildup the 44 can be much cheaper than doing a 60 front wwwaaayyyy cheaper dude.

My 44 has cost me about $2500.00 complete/ Thats the 44 out of a waggy/ R&P 4.88 spicer,Detroit,Hysteer setup,CTM"s,Warn Shafts/Warn Hubs. Now with the CTM's the 44 has been just as reliable as a Fat boy 60 up front, and thats proven from alot of people on this board... So why wouldnt I want to go with a 44 thats lighter, smaller, and just as strong as a 60???? Where can I find a fully decked out 60 for $2500.00???



Well when it is all said and done I will have spent a grand total of $3500 on both my front a rear 60s...this includes HP 60 front standard rear...total rebuild for both...35 spline shafts through out both(including the necesary machine work in the rear) spool in the rear ARB in the front hi-steer 5.38 gears rear discs ...everything will be redone...so for bulding a front decked out HP 60 for $2500 any day...oh and I'm not doing any of the work myself...all being professionally done. :D:D:D(my axles will be left fullwidth)

But I agree it is a lot of weight under there and if I wasn't planning on upgrading the entire drivetrain(4.3L TH350 Atlas 4.3) I would be thinking long and hard about the swap...

All I will need will be CTMs and I will have bullet proof axles...I'm just saying that if 60 is the route you want to go then it can be done at an affordable price:D:D:D

how much does a decked out 44 weigh ?? there was a thread a few weeks back that said a fully dressed 60 weighed 425-450 somewhere around there ...

- jack

Guessing I would guess around 250lbs. I was able to pickup my front 44 by myslef...it was a six lug waggy front that had been totally rebult:D

Oh yeah and thats including a HD tierod(would prolly put a rockstomper rod to shame) and the same thing for a drag link:D

The down side of the dana 60 is that it weighs a ton, but when you think about it that is also an advantage. All that weight makes for a great center of gravity that a 44 could not offer. The true problem with the 60 is the $$$$$ unless you get lucky and find one cheap you mise well put a second mortgage on the house to finance the beast.

I think the simple fact of the matter is that if you are like me and plan on running no more than 35's you have no need for a D60 and if you are running one, you probably didn't think it through or you just have too much money to throw around. I am thinking about money and clearance, 33's or 35's and a 60? I would be dragging that beast over anything and everything. 60's rock, if you need them...

I dont think clearance is an issue any more considering how easy it is to shave that big sucker.
Now back to the question, a rock ring from avalanch engineering would be nice on that 44.

Originally posted by Weezer
I dont think clearance is an issue any more considering how easy it is to shave that big sucker.
Now back to the question, a rock ring from avalanch engineering would be nice on that 44.

But shaving can be done on a 44 too...

Originally posted by Weezer
CTMs
Warn Shafts
OX or ARB locker
Spicer gears
Warn premium hubs
Disc brakes
High steer

Agreed!

As far the whole 60's thing goes, that wasn't a part the question. How do you know that the guy isn't running 33's and just wants to have a beefed 44 and not some huge rock hanging 60?

Stick to the topic of the thread :rasta:

But shaving can be done on a 44 too...
YES IT CAN WHAT IS YOUR POINT



Agreed!

As far the whole 60's thing goes, that wasn't a part the question. How do you know that the guy isn't running 33's and just wants to have a beefed 44 and not some huge rock hanging 60?

Stick to the topic of the thread

YOU ARE RIGHT LETS GET BACK TO THE TOPIC
HES RUNNING 35s I KNOW HIM PERSONALY
YOU ARE RIGHT HE DOES JUST WANT A BEEFED 44

Originally posted by clc900


Bulletproof? Yeah right! And as far as lifetime warranty? Sure, and when you are waiting for your replacements I will be out wheeling with my 60.

I admit for some people the D44 is a bueatiful thing. But just like the CTM joints are a step above the 297's the D60 is a step above the D44. And always will be. I dont care how much you build it up.:D :D

The 60 is only a step above a 44 with 297's not with CTM's. If you have a 60 already than good for you.But my point is there is no need to upgrade to a 60 if you have a 44 with some money into it already, you can just add CTM's to strength the week point of the 44...

Maybe you guys over there in Michigan like plowing the sand with your BIG 60's cool eh.:smokin: :rasta:

well since we are dreaming about the ultimate 44 why not throw in a new tera 44 radiused and shaved housing with cro-mo tubes.

while i am a 60 kinda guy it is important to note that there are 2 diffrent factions in the extreme rock game. guys like mike shaffer (winner of cal-rocks) and randy ellis that are building strong and light 44's and guys who run 60's. i doubt the light weight guys have any dreams of bolting a heavy 60 under thier fly weight rigs.

Originally posted by camo
well since we are dreaming about the ultimate 44 why not throw in a new tera 44 radiused and shaved housing with cro-mo tubes.

You need a pic::D

I don't see it mentioned but how about some custom chromoly axle yoke ends, custom steering knuckles, 30 spline outers and maybe 300M shafts.
later
bob

Originally posted by camo
well since we are dreaming about the ultimate 44 why not throw in a new tera 44 radiused and shaved housing with cro-mo tubes.

They want $1800 for just the center section, and tubes. :eek: