im tired of all the bullshit in the rover community, then are all a bunch of posers and wusses. the "Whine and Cheese" crowd as a buddy and i call them...

so im looking for a new rig. it will have to serve daily driver duty in anything from 90deg summer days to 20deg and snowing january days. beat the piss out of it on the weekend, drive it to school every day.

not to start a flame fest but...

toyota?

jeep?

other?

thanks

:D

Get a TJ Rover:rainbow: !:p

It's all personal opinion, everyone is going to tell you theirs is the best. I could tell you scout but then someone else will say this and then that on and on and soforth. They all have their good and bad points look around and trust your gut if you built one you can build another. Be creative build a crossbreed do whatever tickles your **s hairs
HarleyM

Daily driver? Tough on the trails? Sounds like a 93-97 Toyota LandCruiser. Try factory lockers F/R, solid axles with coils all around, discs all around, nice low range, torquey 4.5 twincam straight six, a tranny out of a 30,000 GVW city bus (93-94 only), fully boxed frame, full floater rear axle, tough recovery points, 11.5" stock ground clearance, factory forged alloys, lots of aftermarket, and about the most reliable rig you can find. Did I mention the factory steering stabilizer? What's not to love?:D :D :D

i'm sorry but selling a rover solely because you have decided you dislike rover people is really :rainbow: . From my experience of being on the D90 list for 4 years, some are annoying but most are VERY helpful, knowledgable, and friendly. The Rover community is one of the only things that made me want to KEEP my D90. Rovers are known as some of the best offroad trucks that can still be used as daily drivers. So maybe changing your attitude and keeping the truck would be your best solution.

oh yeah, and from a practical standpoint, the used car market SUCKS right now. So if you want to sell your rover be prepared to have it for sale for a long time and take a huge loss.

-Steve

check out what 4wheeler and offroad said in their March 2002 issue on best buys...its a good starting point.......

F350 Powerstroke w/5 spd (6spd if new body design). Take 36" narrow or 35" wide tires with trim/removal of stock front bumper, solid axles/leaf springs. Only drivetrain weak point is alloy/chain drive TC which has a very high torque rating but is subject to failure as chain stretches. Replace it with NP203/205 doubler. With 4" lift you can run 11.00R16 Michelins.
Or else, much cheaper, find a rustfree FJ60 for $5-8000 and spend big bucks on repower with diesel :) :) :) or Vortec V8::( :( , 5spd, NP203 doubler, Mark's gear TC, lift kit, etc.
Or else, as mentioned, the early 4.5L dohc FJ80s.
Charlie
PS: If everyone followed my advice there would be a shortage of NP203s in boneyards.

I'm a jeep guy, but i have to say, for a good all round purpose rig, i'd have to say a Yota. Don't know much about'em, but a buddy of mine had a truck and beat the crap out of it and drove it day in and day out. Yota's engines seem to always keep on ticking away and their a good starting point. The only bad thing is, their not a jeep:flipoff2:

An Explorer will do everything that you listed. :cool2:

sounds like you want a 94-95ish YJ with a hard top for winter...

I'd say the only vehicles are the Toyota Landcruiser 93-97 and the Mercedes G-wagen. Both are low geared and got locker in both axels. The Merceds is a real bad ass rig.

Jeep Liberty?:laughing: ...your getting out of rovers 'cause rover-ettes are posers? Well duh! It's a great rig with a bunch of soccer-mom drivers. Don't blame the rig (think of all the Jeep mallcrawlers out there) Wheel what ya want!

hey Steve it is not the people in the rover community that pisses me off. its the whole attitude. they would rather drop 5 grand on a front axle upgrade and still break it than put some REAL beef under there. the majority of them are purist assholes who flame other people for thinking outside of the box. i was in the midst of building a kick ass Series III hybrid with a V8 and 38s, but then i realized that i have been around these people for far too long and i will only get constantly bashed on for having a different rig. they also are not a very extreme crowd (at least where i live) and bitch and moan about how you told them they could not go on a trail because they are not equipped enough. im fed up, just totally, entirely fed up with all their whining and BS.

so ive decided what im going to get :D

a nice CJ-7 with a nice body and a totally BAD drivetrain... thats where the chevy and dana implements come in... :D

besides, it would be a much much easier first build up than doing something never done before. who knows, maybe i will go back to the rover someday, but not in the time being.

Why not keep the Rover and ditch that crowd. If you find a good group of people, they shouldn't care what you drive, as long as it wheels.

hmmmm.... something to beat the piss out of, eh?

have you ever looked at full size jeeps? grand wagoneers, old cherokees, J10s and J20s, etc. try and find one and test drive it, you will be surprised. the wagoneers are about as cush as you can get, and they're a great offroading vehicle.

check out www.ifsja.org for more info, or PM me if ya want.

(why do i feel like a car salesman? :flipoff2: )

I would suggest the YJ over the CJ. Prices are pretty close (sometimes alot better on YJ's) and the YJ's have much,much better frames and aren't as prone to rusting away into nothing. If you are going to change out the entire drivetrain anyway, the YJ is has a much better foundation. Also more room under the hood for what ever accessories you want.

The cheapest, easiest, and off-road worthy would be a tie between a late model TJ with the Dana 44 rearend and a late model Dodge Ram with Dana 44's. These would be my choice to 'drive it like you stole it'. Besides, the parts availability of the other vehicles mentioned will be a pain compared to the TJ and Dodge.

Originally posted by MAV
The cheapest, easiest, and off-road worthy would be a tie between a late model TJ with the Dana 44 rearend and a late model Dodge Ram with Dana 44's. These would be my choice to 'drive it like you stole it'. Besides, the parts availability of the other vehicles mentioned will be a pain compared to the TJ and Dodge.

What? Last time I checked CJs, YJs, and the fullsize jeeps, all are a lot cheaper then a TJ or the dodge. Also if he wants an auto tranny he can get one that will work in the CJ or FSJ.

I would also look into a shoebox Bronco. 1/2 ton allready in a compact. Then you also can't go wrong with a Toy, as mentioned before. Just go with want. It's yours.

I say build the rover. You've been talking smack about it since you were born now it's time to step up and do it.
You're tired of all the poseurs and wussies and they're all sick of your punkass attitude.
You talk smack about those that spend too much on upgraded axles shafts, but you can't handle the smack you get for wanting to swap in D44's or 60's.
If you want to swap in something on your rig then do it. If someone doesn't like it who cares? If they want to swap something on their rig you shouldn't care either.:flipoff2:

Originally posted by MAV
The cheapest, easiest, and off-road worthy would be a tie between a late model TJ with the Dana 44 rearend and a late model Dodge Ram with Dana 44's. These would be my choice to 'drive it like you stole it'. Besides, the parts availability of the other vehicles mentioned will be a pain compared to the TJ and Dodge.

*blink*

:laughing::laughing::laughing::laughing:

late model TJ? you mean, like a 97??? the cheapest you're going to get one for is about $8k. dodge ram? maybe... but why go 44s when you could get 60s, 70s, or even 80s on a 3/4 ton? :rolleyes:

ummmm..... parts availability for toys, waggies, and YJs is incredible. toys are cheap and plentiful, waggies are everywhere in junyards, and YJs have a huge aftermarket as well.

care for a mint? your breath stinks of toe jam and athlete's foot. :flipoff2::D

U got allot of answers, but I have a Question, what kind of wheeling are you doing, makes a huge difference as to my answer.....:D

"so ive decided what im going to get

a nice CJ-7 with a nice body and a totally BAD drivetrain... thats where the chevy and dana implements come in..."

That's your decision??! Next time perhaps a better job of asking for what you want would make sense. I wouldn't call a SWB w/ custom drivetrain, swapped axles and leafs front and rear the ideal daily driver. And I wouldn't call a drafty convertible ideal for 20 degree temps.

Sounds like what you really meant to say was "What do you suggest I start with to cheaply build up a SWB soft top trail rig that's going to be biased toward extreme trail use" Answer? A CJ.... Duh:confused:

Move. You will be in college soon. Try UPenn.

:rainbow: rover owner problem solved. Just make sure you have a rover that runs.

People don't give you crap here. Well, unless you weld RHD footwells into a LHD truck :)

I meant to, I swear.

:emb:

Ron

I'm not following at all
you're gonna drop your plan to build something unique to go join a crowd of people who drive something like everyone else?
I say build the rover
a cj-7 is nothing new
and I'm a jeep guy whose had a few different cj's

a rover can easily be built and I know who to send you to. There's an outfit in Portland, OR called quattro who builds wicked rovers that run 35-to 38's and they build em right.
503 236 0101
ask for timm and tellim crazy uncle freddy sent ya

but what you have to decide is can you afford to build it while in school.
I understand the need for a daily driver. Maybe you need to get a cheap 2 wheel drive truck like an old 70's dodge or a wagoneer. throw your rover on a trailer and head to school
i think your rover friends are probably just not educated enough in extreme wheeling, or maybe just scared
if you build a badass rover they will whine until they see you spank some obsticals that they won't even consider, plus if you are tired of their moaning wait until they see you driving a jeep that will really give em ammo
just build what you originally planned
do it right so it's safe and solid
then you can d-drive it and thrash on the weekend

just because it's hard to do doesn't mean you shouldn't do it right

get a toyota!!!!!

don't get a heep, friends don't let friends drive heeps :D

Originally posted by SeaBass44
U got allot of answers, but I have a Question, what kind of wheeling are you doing, makes a huge difference as to my answer.....:D

for the time being wet rock/some mud and a lot of streambed stuff... think tellico and youre almost there.

but in a few years (4) i am going to be moving out west, so that will change.

Wow...if I let the opinions and bashings of others dictate what I drive I would have probably gotten rid of my heep the day I joined this BB and I'd be driving a Yota! If you are happy with your choice of vehicle and your only complaint is that you don't like the other owners associated with that vehicle then don't deal with those people...seems pretty simple to me..no need to start an entirely new project. :rolleyes: :roxy:

I changed my mind
sell the rover and get a forward control jeep
then you will have no friends and you can do whatever you want!

YES! good call. NEW RIG.

I forget what year vehicles need smog in MA. I recall about '85 or newer?

Get a jeepster comando or something. Full late model drive train out of whatever. 60's front and rear. maybe a ramjet 350-4l80e-atlas.

That's the kind of junk you can run every day and get it on when wheelin'


For new rigs I'd suggest the new TJ rubicon :ugh: it's a great base to start w/ and all you need would be lift, tires, and wheels

1985 4runner or 1986-1989 4runner with a SAS

they run forever have efi and are about as cheap to build as anything out there

remember, im on a serious budget here. initial purchase price of vehicle should be around 3 grand or less (remember i still want a project, just not a rover project).

have decided against the CJ for exactly the reasons listed previously.

i dont want anything too small, cause i normally carry a lot of shite while wheelin (and carry out more than carry in), but i also dont exactly want a longbed pickup. right now im looking at a mid eighties chebby 1/2 ton shortbed with swapped in 1 ton running gear, or an early 70s blazer with a full soft top (also swapped in 1 ton running gear).

keep the suggestions coming! :flipoff2:

is this not the :rainbow: est thread ever??? You should be ashamed of yourself for letting others dictate what vehicle you drive. A major component of the sport of 4wheeling is individuality. You are completely missing the boat. Do you think that there are no Toyota owners that you won't like either? Well I for one can tell you that no matter which truck you pick, you will not be happy. It's jackass posts like this, saying the entire Rover crowd is a bunch of pussies and poseurs, that make everyone dislike you in the first place. Drop the attitude and that will solve your problem. Do you even have a driver's licence yet?

actually you know what?...sell the friggin Rover, that way we won't have to listen to your crap anymore.:mad3: :nuke: :flipoff:

-Steve

hey steve...

FAWK YOU :rolleyes:

i am not letting others dictate what i drive, i am simply looking for ideas. asshole. dont go acting all high and mighty just because you just sold your 90 for way too much. lucky fawker. you are a spoiled little rich kid whos daddy gave him the money to buy the defender. everyone knows it.

and at least i OWN a fuckin land rover at this point, so what the fuck are you talking about "so we dont have to hear your crap anymore". youre the one without the rover, so why dont you get the fuck out!

suck my fuckin dick, asshole. i used to think you were one of the few land rover owners who was pretty cool, but now, no way. youre just another fucker.

First of all, I worked my ass off for my truck, so I think possibly you confused me with yourself. I'm sorry you're dissapointed with "Land Rover Owners" just because they don't buy your bulls*t like all your little 15 year old friends. Most of the guys on the D90 list have been wheeling in Rovers or other vehicles since you were born. Sorry they don't always agree with your opinions, I'm sure since you can't drive you've had plenty of time to think of your stupid responses. Yes, I had to sell my Rover...and it sucks. And yes you're still annoying me because I, unlike you, have respect for the wiser, far more experienced list members and plan to stay on the D90 list even without my Rover. Just look at what you're writing. It's pathetic. Even roxywheels and fcfred who have no previous experience with you to the best of my knowledge think you're rediculous for wanting to sell your project and start on something else because "rover owners are pussies." I love how your signature bashes jeeps but now you're considering buying one.

:rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

hey steve if you havent noticed you dont get much respect on the d90 list either. and i have just one question- why the fuck do you even care why i am considering ditching my rig? i didnt give a fuck about you crying to the D90 list about your insurance payments blah blah blah, and so i kept my fucking mouth shut. why cant you do the same? its my rig, my life, my way. if you have a fucking problem with that, go screw. im not your bitch. now get the fuck off of my thread that i am trying to get some useful info out of. i didnt go into your fucking UNIMOG thread and start bitching, why are you here? just fucking go away.

Wow, a prima donna who can't make up his mind what rig he wants to drive leaves the Rover world cause THEY'RE jerks? With an attitude and mouth like that, no wonder you don't fit in. Go find another sandbox to play in and have your pissin' match offline. One disagreeable post and Steve goes from your favorite Rover guy to an a@@hole? Gee, wonder who's the disagreeable one here? As mentioned above, this is a pathetic thread. I thought we were offering thoughts you could use, but it sounds like some pipe dreaming. Pathetic thread......

The more I read the the more it seems like this is another one of those "How do I build a rig that people will think is really cool and will make them be my groupies and where can I get all of the latest greatest ultra cool trendy super fancy name brand parts just like I saw in a magazine the other day?" kinda posts. :rolleyes:

Get on with it. Figure it out by yourself and use your own ideas. Don't be such a :clown:

:rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow: :rainbow:

MeenGreen63 - you are full of shiat. All you are doing is talking the talk.

Had a look at your profile your racking 8 posts per day. Why dont you get off your computer, get outside, get yourself a life and start doing something instead of spewing your crap in here.

In 4 years time you will still be spewing the same shiat and you still wont have a ride.

You are just some wannabie punk kid. :rainbow:

Sam

Prime example Meenreen wrote this on the "Preferred Wheelbase? " thread.

Quote:

99" will be good for that- not so short that it is unstable but not so long that you wont be able to get it around some trees and rocks. i love the 100" on my Range Rover for forest stuff, and if it were all out rock crawling id look at around 105". but for where you are and the wheeling you do, IMO 99" is great!


Meen you are so full of it!!!! What a bullshit reply. What the hell would you know about any of this. Man I bet you dont even own a Range Rover.

Sam

hey sam, what do you think the ideal wheelbase is, asshole? you have 100", and i know it, so why are you talking?

and yeah i do own a range rover- its a silver 1987 with a detroit locker in back and 265/75 BFGs.

and no this isnt a "i want to be cool" thread- i am trying to figure out based on other peoples experiences which rig would suit my needs the best. how the hell am i supposed to know what a 4runner is like as a daily driver? ive never fucking driven one before!

shut your ass, fucker. you talk about me having bullshit answers to questions, well what the fuck are you doing? yeah great technical advice here sam... :rolleyes:

You are right I shouldnt be carrying like this in here.

But I am sick of your shit. Since when did you get a rangie, on the land rover forum you said that all you got is a swb series 2a with no motor and a rear tub you said there was nothing to look at and not worth posting a pict.

Heres what you said:

sorry guys, no pics of my truck yet nothing much to see anyways, it is a Series IIA 88" rolling chassis with no front axle or suspension, and a rear body tub on it. just awaiting the welder at this point


What did you forget that you had a rangie when you posted that????????

I reckon you are full of it and are nothing but a web wheeler.

Get a real life.

Im out of here. Sorry guys for the rant. I feel better now. :D

Sam

why didnt i post a pic of my rangie then? because it aint much to look at either. it looks like a stock range rover lifted about an inch and a half on 31" MTs.

youre sick of my shit? then dont read my posts. i could care less what you think, but dont get in the way of me trying to seek some relevant information.

just to piss you off, heres a pic of my range rover :flipoff:

Originally posted by offroadr35
is this not the :rainbow: est thread ever??? You should be ashamed of yourself for letting others dictate what vehicle you drive. A major component of the sport of 4wheeling is individuality. You are completely missing the boat. Do you think that there are no Toyota owners that you won't like either? Well I for one can tell you that no matter which truck you pick, you will not be happy. It's jackass posts like this, saying the entire Rover crowd is a bunch of pussies and poseurs, that make everyone dislike you in the first place. Drop the attitude and that will solve your problem. Do you even have a driver's licence yet?

actually you know what?...sell the friggin Rover, that way we won't have to listen to your crap anymore.:mad3: :nuke: :flipoff:

-Steve

gezzz I have to agree with you:)With his attatude, he won't fit in anywhere, please stop your thread, you are getting nowhere. It's turned into a bashing thread, why not delete it now before another moderator has to, police yourselvs eh?

:crybaby2: :crybaby2: <------ Sam, this is me laughing so hard I'm cryin! Leave it to the Aussies to cut through the BS! Well done. Still chuckling as I type this - heh, heh, heh. Outta here.....

Originally posted by Strange Rover
Had a look at your profile your racking 8 posts per day. Why dont you get off your computer, get outside, get yourself a life and start doing something instead of spewing your crap in here.


You actually went into his profile to find out how many posts he averages a day? Now you tell me who needs to get off the computer... :rainbow:

and for the Daily Driver / trail rig with decent comfort in a wide variety of temperatures... the upcoming "Rubicon Edition" would be great... unfortunately, you forgot to mention that price was an issue. You are driving a Rover afterall... that doesn't inspire attitudes of price conservatism...

Originally posted by Go Patriots!!!
shut your ass, fucker. you talk about me having bullshit answers to questions, well what the fuck are you doing? yeah great technical advice here sam... :rolleyes:

Dude...I can't believe your actually slamming those that have helped you form your opinions of what's right and wrong in the 4x circles. Sam's one of the few LR guy's to walk the walk! Take a chill pill dude.

I understand that being 15 years old is a trip when actual testosterone starts flowing, but keep it cool man. Your just now reaching adolescence and everything you do YOU will think is right, justified and that everyone else who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a looser.

You've got a long way to go before you even hit college, and the opinions and attitudes you form now is what's going to be your persona later in life…Don't blow it.

Time to start being a man Adam.

--D

If you have a budget to follow and a few fab skills you can do what I did. I have a 1990 Chevy 1/2 ton strait axle. Dana 44 with warn shafts and soft locker and open 14 bolt. I have all the confornts, starts up every day and get about 14 MPG towing my Cruiser on a trailer:roxy: