I heard at SEMA that Sky Extreme had a new series starting next year. Who has the info?

Here is the info I've got so far.

We have 4 locations locked and are working on the 2
Are web site will be up later this week with all the info
everyone will get a press release

Who or what is "sky extreme"?

TEX

Who or what is "sky extreme"?

TEX
Large UT based 4x4 shop, nice guys, was parked next to them at the SC.

So out west then?

Large UT based 4x4 shop, nice guys, was parked next to them at the SC.
I really wouldn;t say a large UT based shop...but they are a UT based shop:D...I too am waiting for more info...sounds like it could be cool...

Got this from Mike Baer on a local list.

"As most of you have heard, I am no longer with UROC.
I have gone partners with Sky's Extreme to bring you a new venue.

We are doing a 6 event series with 3 classes
SUPER Mod, Mod, & stock class

We are working on the web site as we speak. A press release went out 2 weeks ago to companies in the industry. A press release will go out the first of next week to all .coms.
More info coming soon
Mike Baer"

It will be different. Less judges (thank God). Less points (thank Mike).
FAAAAAster. I like it .

There is a full press release in the first issue of Xtreme Offroad, which ships out tonight!

It will be different. Less judges (thank God). Less points (thank Mike).
FAAAAAster. I like it .

I like the idea of a time-based scoring system (whodaathunkit LOL). Replace the points penalties with TIME penalties. Rear-steer, add 30 seconds, hit a cone, add a minute, etc, etc. Fastest time wins :D


TEX

I like the idea of a time-based scoring system (whodaathunkit LOL). Replace the points penalties with TIME penalties. Rear-steer, add 30 seconds, hit a cone, add a minute, etc, etc. Fastest time wins :D


TEX

I've probably done as much rock racing against the clock as anyone. I've had fun, but there are two very large considerations.

You really beat the snot out of your equipment- $$$$$$$

we have enough trouble with teams staying in control of their rigs with the present system. Add a stopwatch and a reward for fastest time mixed with the present proximity of the crowds and we'll put ourselves out of business.

I could go on with examples but don't need to put up dirty laundry or embarass any teams/sanctioning bodies :(

Add a stopwatch and a reward for fastest time mixed with the present proximity of the crowds and we'll put ourselves out of business.


No doubt that the entire thing would have to be altered for a time-based system. Couldn't just go to a current style comp & swap points for seconds & expect a good result. Perhaps it wouldn't work at all, but again I do like the IDEA :D

TEX

That's just what us guys in the middle of the country need, another series in the west......

That's just what us guys in the middle of the country need, another series in the west......

We just need more places to have a competition. If the land was there, there would be competitions on the land.

"If you build it they will come." per se

That's just what us guys in the middle of the country need, another series in the west......


Brian and Russ

I don't know how to double quote, so this goes for the post right above as well. If the middle of the country could get more vehicles to run in comps, more comps would come your way.....

Sorry to be brutal, but that's the way I see it.

We will continue to hold events in the middle of the country, it's just hard when more competiton worthy rigs are in the parking lot, than on the courses.

Rich

Rich is right, he and others have tested the waters, even had XXL classes etc, lots of talk but no walk (from the midwest big dog masses) Kudo's to those who were the exception and Kudo's to the promoters who have earnestly tried to make it work. I'll be to MO and OH, the other two are a stretch for me:)

That was kind of odd to have a competition, have several competition buggies even show up, but only have ~14 competitors. When I saw all of the rigs there, I thought there was surely going to be atleast 30+ rigs on the courses, apparently not. I do wish that there were comps closer to Lubbock, but I can wish in one hand and shit in another...
Competitor base is not present, fan base is not present, land is not present; give it a few more years hopefully...

That was kind of odd to have a competition, have several competition buggies even show up, but only have ~14 competitors.

Same thing happens the first time you do a mud race in any of these midwestern towns. 80 comp vehicles (primarily out-of-towners), 200 more sitting in the parking lot (ALL locals). Couple of things about a comp. First, if it's a first-time event, nobody knows what to expect & they'd rather watch it once before trying it. Second, a lot of guys have big fish in small pond syndrome. It's easy to talk about how badass your truck is. But, when rules & equal chances for success come into play, the local "badass" doesn't want to take a chance on finishing 34th out of 36 in front of all his buddies ;)

Last thing with rock-crawling is the $$. I melted into the crowd at Disney & heard an AWFUL lot of guys saying they would have given it a shot if it was cheaper. Dunno if that's just talk, or something that needs to be addressed.


TEX

If the middle of the country could get more vehicles to run in comps, more comps would come your way.....



I could get ya all the comp vehicles you want just about anywhere in the Middle of the Country....................if you'll just forget about those silly rocks for one weekend ;)


TEX

I could get ya all the comp vehicles you want just about anywhere in the Middle of the Country....................if you'll just forget about those silly rocks for one weekend ;)


TEX


How bout getting me an owner/ driver of a 2 second car that wants to trade rides for a weekend?:)

How bout getting me an owner/ driver of a 2 second car that wants to trade rides for a weekend?:)

Reminiscing a little are we? :D

TEX

With Mike and Natalie going, how many judge's are staying?

Same thing happens the first time you do a mud race in any of these midwestern towns. 80 comp vehicles (primarily out-of-towners), 200 more sitting in the parking lot (ALL locals). Couple of things about a comp. First, if it's a first-time event, nobody knows what to expect & they'd rather watch it once before trying it. Second, a lot of guys have big fish in small pond syndrome. It's easy to talk about how badass your truck is. But, when rules & equal chances for success come into play, the local "badass" doesn't want to take a chance on finishing 34th out of 36 in front of all his buddies ;)

Last thing with rock-crawling is the $$. I melted into the crowd at Disney & heard an AWFUL lot of guys saying they would have given it a shot if it was cheaper. Dunno if that's just talk, or something that needs to be addressed.


TEX

It may be the damage and expense of repairs but I don't think it is the entry money . There are comps (like the one in Hot Springs, AR this weekend) that only cost $50-$100 to enter and you still have all those built rigs parked on the sideline watching. I don't know if they are afraid of damaging their rigs or they are not very competitive people.

Personally I will drive hours and/or days to test myself agianst the best competitors I can find. I plan to compete in 8-10 events next year including a W.E. Rock series some XRRA races, the O'Reilly's Rock-N-Roll series in Hot Springs and some single events. I will finally see how I stack up agianst the best from all over the country.

Russ, are you competing in at least 4 W.E. Rock events so you can be at the National Finals at Katemcy?

Bill

It may be the damage and expense of repairs but I don't think it is the entry money . There are comps (like the one in Hot Springs, AR this weekend) that only cost $50-$100 to enter and you still have all those built rigs parked on the sideline watching.

$50-100 is still a LOT of money in some guy's eyes if you don't think you have a chance to recoup any of it. I upped the entry fee at my mud races from $30 to $40 & saw a droppoff in participation (that was planned BTW, I had too many guys at $30/class). The $100 at Disney was cheap compared to UROC, but again guys were grumbling about it in the crowd. Stuff like:

"Woulda liked to have tried this, but I don't have a hundred bucks to just burn".

Again, coulda been just talk.

TEX

$50-100 is still a LOT of money in some guy's eyes if you don't think you have a chance to recoup any of it. I upped the entry fee at my mud races from $30 to $40 & saw a droppoff in participation (that was planned BTW, I had too many guys at $30/class). The $100 at Disney was cheap compared to UROC, but again guys were grumbling about it in the crowd. Stuff like:

"Woulda liked to have tried this, but I don't have a hundred bucks to just burn".

Again, coulda been just talk.

TEX
Russ Hogan has tried to hold several events at Disney with a $5 or $10 entry fee and still can't get more than 4 or 5 competitors. If a guy thinks of it as burning money instead of a chance to win money then I don't think he would ever be a competitor. Not that that is a bad thing, spectators are necessary, I just wish we had more competitors in this part of the country.

If a guy thinks of it as burning money instead of a chance to win money then I don't think he would ever be a competitor.

Well, I guess it depends on the situation. Take the Platte County Fair in Platte City, MO. 95% of the guys who enter the mud race know they don't have a chance in Hell of winning, but every year there are more competitors than the previous year.

TEX

Brian and Russ

I don't know how to double quote, so this goes for the post right above as well. If the middle of the country could get more vehicles to run in comps, more comps would come your way.....

Sorry to be brutal, but that's the way I see it.

We will continue to hold events in the middle of the country, it's just hard when more competiton worthy rigs are in the parking lot, than on the courses.

Rich
I'm here to tell you I'd run Stock Mod, assuming I could ever get off my ass and put together my Jeep, if it were closer to Lubbock. Katemcy is probably the closest place to us here unless you could get permission to use the land around San Angelo for a comp, but I'd still drive the 5 hours to Katemcy. How much is a stock-mod entry fee? I do admit that the cost of entry could prohibit me from entering.

I had planned on coming down to Katemcy a couple of years ago to watch a comp until I called to get a price and was told $40 for the weekend just to watch.

The $100 at Disney was cheap compared to UROC, but again guys were grumbling about it in the crowd. Stuff like:

"Woulda liked to have tried this, but I don't have a hundred bucks to just burn".

Again, coulda been just talk.

TEX


It was $200, there just needs to be advertisment of the event berfore hand so people can plan on attending/competing so money can be set aside. I am starting to save right now for next years enty fees. The biggest problem that I see about the competitions held in the midwest is poor advertising.

Brian and Russ

I don't know how to double quote, so this goes for the post right above as well. If the middle of the country could get more vehicles to run in comps, more comps would come your way.....

Sorry to be brutal, but that's the way I see it.

We will continue to hold events in the middle of the country, it's just hard when more competiton worthy rigs are in the parking lot, than on the courses.

Rich

I don't know if we are mid-west but the front range of Colorado is ripe for an event.

Millions live here.

Many of us appreciate the sport and wheel recreationally.

Many of us compete (I can think of 12 teams that competed this year from the front range).

Look at the interest from the local board: http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=19838&page=1&pp=40

Somebody come build a manmade course!

I don't know if we are mid-west but the front range of Colorado is ripe for an event.

Millions live here.

Many of us appreciate the sport and wheel recreationally.

Many of us compete (I can think of 12 teams that competed this year from the front range).

Look at the interest from the local board: http://www.colorado4x4.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=19838&page=1&pp=40

Somebody come build a manmade course!

Brad I know about the numbers in Colorado. I will be more than happy to put on a National Series event in Colorado in 2006. We just ran out of dates for all the sites :D

If there is land, we will be willing to build.............. as soon as we get the first 3 on our agenda done :grinpimp:

Rich

[QUOTE=Go2Guy]"I've probably done as much rock racing against the clock as anyone. I've had fun, but there are two very large considerations.

You really beat the snot out of your equipment- $$$$$$$

we have enough trouble with teams staying in control of their rigs with the present system. Add a stopwatch and a reward for fastest time mixed with the present proximity of the crowds and we'll put ourselves out of business."




We've been running the Avalanche Rock Race all season and it's the only flawless event I've ever been to. By far the most fun. ROCK RACE (www.xrra.com)
I agree this is not for every one. But if you live for adrenaline and you have a tough rig or the money to back up your quick decisions there is nothing like it.
ROCK RACE ...MOAB March 26th

We've been running the Avalanche Rock Race all season and it's the only flawless event I've ever been to. By far the most fun. ROCK RACE (www.xrra.com)
I agree this is not for every one. But if you live for adrenaline and you have a tough rig or the money to back up your quick decisions there is nothing like it.
ROCK RACE ...MOAB March 26th

Concur completely. For those of you bored to death with "cone racing", very cool stuff.
:cool2:

yo Sucka, you talked to as many judges as I did at super-crawl I'd be surprised to see 50% back next year if that

I did not mean to imply that it wasn't fun- just seen way to many closes calls and spectators in harms way, get the spectators back and build your stuff for speed etc and have a blast.

sorry if I confused anyone- just wanted to point out that there is more to it than adding a stopwatch and right foot:)

Rich, you're right. Disney had a bunch of vehicles watching that should have ponied up. I guess they didn't want to shake up the beer......
Just stay with us 'til it works. I believe it will. I sincerely hope it will.

It was $200, there just needs to be advertisment of the event berfore hand so people can plan on attending/competing so money can be set aside. I am starting to save right now for next years enty fees. The biggest problem that I see about the competitions held in the midwest is poor advertising.

We hit all the local Website we can find. Besides that how do we find these semi interested wheelers?

Rich

I agree with Go2Guy on the timed races, it can easily get out of control and create a dangerous atmosphere. I agree it is fun, just takes more safety considerations. If you have to keep the crowd way back don't expect a large one.

I also agree that the West is saturated with events leaving us dry in the middle. That is why we hosted several events this year and am planning more for 2005. With the rally and rock crawling I setup this year we saw alot of rigs parked not participating. I made a point to talk with the peeps to find out why they did not want to participate. Majority stated they did not know what to expect. And after the events, when they had the chance to see what it is all about, they are ready to try it out next time. More exposure we have the more involvement. Large entry fees keep most folks out, and locks it in for the rich or sponsored. I try to bring more of a low entry, low stress fun events. This gives an opportunity for non-pros to experience the fun of competing.

I am interested in this new sanction you are working on, please schedule an event in my neck of the woods, there are venues to host.
If you are planning an event near the NE Oklahoma region, give me a heads up. I can spread the word to local clucbs, shops, and wheelers.

I agree with Go2Guy on the timed races, it can easily get out of control and create a dangerous atmosphere. I agree it is fun, just takes more safety considerations. If you have to keep the crowd way back don't expect a large one.

I also agree that the West is saturated with events leaving us dry in the middle. That is why we hosted several events this year and am planning more for 2005. With the rally and rock crawling I setup this year we saw alot of rigs parked not participating. I made a point to talk with the peeps to find out why they did not want to participate. Majority stated they did not know what to expect. And after the events, when they had the chance to see what it is all about, they are ready to try it out next time. More exposure we have the more involvement. Large entry fees keep most folks out, and locks it in for the rich or sponsored. I try to bring more of a low entry, low stress fun events. This gives an opportunity for non-pros to experience the fun of competing.

I am interested in this new sanction you are working on, please schedule an event in my neck of the woods, there are venues to host.
If you are planning an event near the NE Oklahoma region, give me a heads up. I can spread the word to local clucbs, shops, and wheelers.


i do see what youre saying and understand it, just want to make one point clear... alot of us are 100% committed to this sport. the entry fee's are hard for many of us to pay. alot are not rich nor sponsored with big $$. if you are serious about this sport you will make the sacrifices necessary to be involved. i have a made a ton and continue to make more because of my passion for this sport.

We hit all the local Website we can find. Besides that how do we find these semi interested wheelers?

Rich


Far too many guys are still web-challenged. Lots of guys call me about my mud races because they don't have web access. And those that do go to my site & scroll right past the part where it says "SEE RULES HERE" to click my e-mail & ask "where can I find rules" :rolleyes:

Anyhow, I still see best results from tons of fliers & newspaper ads. You just have to put in BIG BOLD letters that anyone with a safe rig can enter.

TEX