Since it looks like the Club comp is being postponed... it's been brought up about having some sort of bragging rights type thing at JV over Turkey Day.

PM if your interested in having some wheeling fun, pushing the limits of your rig, and will be out on the Lake Bed over Turkey Day weekend.

Regards

Dave

The Basics:

Think of it as a game of H O R S E (cept we're spelling FOPV ;) )

First guy calls a line and trys to score it. If he makes it, then everyone else makes an attempt. If you don't make it, you get a letter. Collect all the letters and you'll be spectating :)

It's all informal, and all for fun.

Bring it

:likealittlekidinacandystore: :bounce:

If I can find a ride, maybe I will meander down and take some pics. :D :laughing:

Sounds like fun. Now I just need a rig :confused:

Mike...say what, huh, WTF???

Sounds like fun. Now I just need a rig :confused:

I'll make a deal with you. If you let me borrow your new rig when it's done, I'll let you borrow mine now :evil:

What are friends for :flipoff2:

You know I'll be there. GET IT :smokin:

Out of some of the people who have posted, including myself, maybe we should make up a new game...like who can stay un-broken the longest. Tim wouldn't last much beyond the lakebed before breaking an output shaft. JRT would get to the first waterfall, his eyes would roll back in his head like a great white on a feeding frenzie, and continue to beat the living hell out of D-Toys old rig until John shot him. And I would be stuck in some stupid, impossible line that would take a helicopter to get me out. That sound about right?

Why don't we race up Backdoor and let Mike kick our asses again?

Chris

Why don't we race up Backdoor



shhhhhhh.... if we stay off Backdoor, maybe some of the those guys in Jeeps will come and play with us :D Garry Hall already said he's in.

I'm thinking the old ARCA course would provide plenty of opportunity for you to call in the Air Support :flipoff2:

i am up for it, i will try and borrow a vehicle by then. Hopefully it will have the short side shaft i need by then.

pushing the limits of your rig

This is the part that's expensive :D

when you get the bling bling built, you shouldn't worry about it :flipoff2:

What does FOPV stand for? I know I should know this.. :emb2: :emb: :emb4:

-t

Friends Of Panamint Valley???

What does FOPV stand for? I know I should know this.. :emb2: :emb: :emb4:

-t

Friends of Paniment Valley

If one guy breaks ,does that mean the the guy that goes next has to break?LOL :D :flipoff2:

How'bout we have a drag race

winner takes all

now that's what I'm talken about :flipoff2:

How'bout we have a drag race


Let me know if this a go, 'cause I got a shit load of a... fluid to take out of my front tires :flipoff2: :D

you have a place to recycle mercury???

i wanna play!...i am plannin on goin...just hoping i get my atlas back in time though...rig is still torn apart in the garage from the beatty comp

If I can find a ride, maybe I will meander down and take some pics. :D :laughing:


What kind of ride are you looking for? :flipoff2:

Chris

If one guy breaks ,does that mean the the guy that goes next has to break?LOL :D :flipoff2:


:laughing: Everybody will be scrambling to get out of line behind me :p

What kind of ride are you looking for? :flipoff2:

Chris

YOU know what kind! Are you heading straight down from OR?? :D It's a long way from here to JV. :evil::laughing:

I'm an official hitchhiker. :D :laughing:

YOU know what kind! Are you heading straight down from OR?? :D It's a long way from here to JV. :evil::laughing:

I'm an official hitchhiker. :D :laughing:

Actually, I have to test in Texas and Virginia this week and next, so I'll be driving from the east. Thanks for the offer though. :evil:

Chris

Actually, I have to test in Texas and Virginia this week and next, so I'll be driving from the east. Thanks for the offer though. :evil:

Chris


Maybe I will see you there then sweetheart, if I make it...It has been too long since I gave ya a hug. :)

EDIT: I have arranged for myself to be there! :D And I might even have a rig to drive. :evil: MUWAHAHAHAHAH :D

Well there ya go Chris, sounds like you are hooked up with a couple of "Rides"!
Hahahaha. Sorry I'll miss out... on the wheelin' that is!
Erik

How'bout we have a drag race

winner takes all

now that's what I'm talken about :flipoff2:


oK :p (TOW RIGS)

oK :p (TOW RIGS)

Mike! Come awn out and play!! :)
And haul my brother's gimp ass out so we can have 'family thanksgiving'. :laughing:

I'll get in on this game. Your little rigs will probably kick my ass but I still want to give it a go.

I'll get in on this game. Your little rigs will probably kick my ass but I still want to give it a go.


Excellent, come by Bender camp... I figure we'll probably do this on Friday or Saturday.... when's everybody showin up

d

how about some directions on how to get out there....for thos of us that have never been to the hammers. :flipoff2:

South on 99

East on 58

South on 395

East on 18

East on 247

Left on Boone Road

Boone Road is the 3rd JV OHV entrance off of 247 and is about 27 miles from where you join 247 in Lucerne Valley (your last food and fuel). Boone is also almost exactly 1 mile east of a Red and White "Welcome to Johnson Valley" sign.



Here's a link (http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&1a=&1c=Stockton&1s=CA&1z=&1y=US&do=nw&1ex=1&2ex=1&src=maps&ct=NA&2a=Boone%20Rd%20%26%20Old%20Woman%20Springs%20Rd&2c=Landers&2s=CA&2z=92285&2y=US&2pn=&2l=T268loI0JYE%3d&2g=VfPK3GLLA4TRotitwYAppw%3d%3d&2v=INTERSECTION&2pl=)

but it has you go through Palmdale

d

Chaz--- commin south from @bakersfield and north-----
99 to bakersfield--east on 58 to '4 corners' (junction of 58/395)- south on 395 to Adalento--- at the STOP SIGN-(Air Base road)-turn left, (east) til end of road,-- turn right (south)------------(don't turn off this road til your at the Hammers)!!! (18/247 changes numbers)---thru Victorville, Apple Valley, (there is a big Mobil on the left as the 4/6 lane changes to two lanes at the end of town), Lucern Valley, there will be a STOP SIGN- go thru, no turns--------(@24 miles to go)---- on the way you will pass @1/4 mile of white fence on the right--you will see a BLM sign on the left "Johnson Valley"-DON'T TURN ON IT----there will be a large white arrow sign on the right (@2'X8' pointing to your right-south @6' in the air)----------@1/4 mile beyond will be BOONE ROAD left and a BLM sign on your right, hidden in the sagebrush,,, TURN LEFT on BOONE ROAD- dirt/sand----keep up a good head of steam thru the sand !!!---the road will have a few twists and turns-- a 90* left-- down/up thru a wash--- when you get to the lake bed, @5miles----- look to the left for the camp !!!!

ah shit...i think i may be pullin the buggy out of the trailer to pull my tow rig in...that sand out there just dosent like my truck at all...2wd sucks

Chaz, the road is fine. Your truck will get through it...unless it's a Cheby! My 2wd pulls a 30' enclosed with two buggies through it, but Krusy's right, speed won't hurt.

Chris

at cougur buttes i had to drag my tow rig in...so if its anything like that...i am screwed...i only have a 25' inclosed pulled with a f250 (thats for sale by the way...along with the trailer)

at cougur buttes i had to drag my tow rig in...so if its anything like that...i am screwed...i only have a 25' inclosed pulled with a f250 (thats for sale by the way...along with the trailer)

wahhhhhhhhhh


I get my junk done there pulling it behind a 1978 Lucky Lindy motorhome with a tired ass 318 in it.

If you can't score Boone Road, you might want to stay away from the actual trails

:flipoff2:


you'll be fine Chazz... check your email.

wahhhhhhhhhh


I get my junk done there pulling it behind a 1978 Lucky Lindy motorhome with a tired ass 318 in it.

If you can't score Boone Road, you might want to stay away from the actual trails

:flipoff2:


you'll be fine Chazz... check your email.

:flipoff2: as long as the t-case shows up as planned...ill be there one way or another

Friends of Paniment Valley

Maybe I have not been paying attention,
but how is the progress going with the re-opening of Surprise canyon?
I know many of us donated a Franklin to the cause last year ( C for C) but I haven't heard much since. Thanks.

but how is the progress going with the re-opening of Surprise canyon?


FOPV has retained a premier real estate attorney from the Bay area. They have identified a couple of promising avenues to reopening. The last I heard, the attorney wanted 20k to file the case and he believed that it was quite possible that BLM would settle out of court. IF it did go to trial, it would require even more $$$. I have also heard that they (FOPV) has begun the grant writing process (to secuer other means of support). I know the TrailBlazers up in Bakersfield just did a big fund raiser as well.

Hopefully someone from 'in' FOPV will respond with some more detail.


regards,

Dave

t-case was delivered today.....so its goin back together tommorow...so i will be there for turkey day :bounce:

t-case was delivered today.....so its goin back together tommorow...so i will be there for turkey day :bounce:

Shall we play a game of whos jello shots are better? :flipoff2:

sure...ill just eat yours...because i am too damn lazy to make em again...and if i just eat yours...cheaper for me :flipoff2:

sure...ill just eat yours...because i am too damn lazy to make em again...and if i just eat yours...cheaper for me :flipoff2:


You have absolutely no concept of the purpose of the game. :shaking: :flipoff2: Either way, Me and my jello jigglers will be there. ;) :D

oK :p (TOW RIGS)
What's up with your trail (comp) rig?
Did you sell it?

There have been drag races on the lake bed !!!!!!! for trail rigs !---- night runs-- bout 1/8 mile,or less. start line is gas, lit on fire--- finish line is also fire line---- the starter vehicle is at the finish line-- parking lights on, get ready, headlight flash, GO !!!!!!!

1/8 mile means you can run in low range --4wd, or low/low/4wd-3-4-5th gears
two wheel drive usually means too much tire spin and a loss !! (for more challenge, start in a wet area, finish on dry !!!)



Tin Benders have a store of fun and games !!!!!!


run the 1/8 mile, stop get out and chugg a beer, get back in and 'u' turn race back to start line for the 'finish' !!!! (call that a "red neck" drag !!)

Tin Benders have a store of fun and games !!!!!!

Count me in!

Well, O.K.
If JR the younger is going so will JR the elder, with old but reliable iron. [John Reynolds is my much younger bro] So, the pedo viejo will arrive Fri by 8am, with junk.

Keep your eye out for a rig that looks like mine! I heard that it might be in the area but it cant get scratched! :eek:

Keep your eye out for a rig that looks like mine! I heard that it might be in the area but it cant get scratched! :eek:


puss :flipoff2:

Well, O.K.
If JR the younger is going so will JR the elder, with old but reliable iron. [John Reynolds is my much younger bro] So, the pedo viejo will arrive Fri by 8am, with junk.

Right on!
We may be leaving LaCrescenta with you Fri. morning.
I'll let you know.

Keep your eye out for a rig that looks like mine! I heard that it might be in the area but it cant get scratched! :eek:


Oh NO! That means I better make an extra 250 shots!!! :laughing:

I have a butt to share w :flipoff2: :flipoff2: ith you!! :eek:

I have a butt to share w :flipoff2: :flipoff2: ith you!! :eek:

Keep your butt away from me Jody!! :laughing:

Keep your butt away from me Jody!! :laughing:
You Know you want tto snuggle my Butt! You want to Jiggle it :eek: like Jellow ! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

You Know you want tto snuggle my Butt! You want to Jiggle it :eek: like Jellow ! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

It already jiggles! :laughing: I will see you in a few days crazyASS! :D Just remember what happened last time you chased me with your butt, I escaped, and you fell on a wall! :laughing:

What's up with your trail (comp) rig?
Did you sell it?



the single seater's sold... and where would Lisa ride anyhow :flipoff2:


I'm pretty sure mike's 2 seater will be ready :evil:

When's the FOPV game? Is Friday or Saturday? Can a newbie play?
Larry

lOOKS LIKE THEY MUST BE SCARED LARRY ! :eek: THEY DONT WANT YOU TO PLAY

lOOKS LIKE THEY MUST BE SCARED LARRY ! :eek: THEY DONT WANT YOU TO PLAY


yeah, that must be it :rolleyes: :flipoff2:

Larry,

I'm the Bender that was at HDR, look for us on Friday morning (or whenever you get there). Still up in the air about the day of competition, but I was thinking Saturday.

d


I'm rolling out there tomorrow.

D,
I'll be out Friday mid morning. I'll look you up.

Boogie Man are you coming. I want to test drive your buggy.
Larry

Do You Like To Test Drive Before You Buy $$$$$$ :d

Now the truth is out...Boogie Man's a used car salesman! :laughing:

I now have an open seat for JV. Leaving SLO thursday morning. Lemme know if anyone still needs a ride.

Sorry guys, I officially can't go now, my ride has other stuff that they need to take care of so I will be sitting here on my fat ass counting down till New Years for Put Up. :(:(:(:(

Have fun with out me you wheelin bastids! :sniffle:

anyone got a snow report?

anyone got a snow report?

from tinbenders BB, as of 3:30pm yesterday, still a foot at the gas station in Lucerne.

anyone got a snow report?

The snow is white :flipoff2:


It will be fine
we may have to camp a little closer to the edge, but it will all be gone by today.

It's getting warmer.

d

The snow is white :flipoff2:


It will be fine
we may have to camp a little closer to the edge, but it will all be gone by today.

It's getting warmer.

d



mud bog's :evil: to bad i forgot to put in a real motor...

mud bog's :evil: to bad i forgot to put in a real motor...


You don't have a hair on your n&ts#ck unless you drive the Tow Rig through the mud bath :laughing:

Hopefully someone from 'in' FOPV will respond with some more detail.


regards,

Dave


FOPV is working to open access on Surprise Canyon Road. The process includes a legal effort to challenge the 2001 closure order by the BLM (and subsequent restrictions imposed by Death Valley National Park).

The legal effort process includes a strict review of the actions of the BLM and DVNP, to identify where the actions conflict with the law (including the legal access prescribed in the passage of the Desert Protection Act and subsequent legal agreements entered into by the BLM).

The initial legal review has consumed well over $5000 dollars, and more work is being done to identify records relevant to the closure action (we do not want to reveal all aspects of research). The cost of the additonal research is unknown, although it is expected to equal that spent to date. In simple (and obvious) terms, the initial goal is to file a comprehensive legal complaint that the BLM abused their juristiction when they posted the closure order and when they ignored subsequent requests for legal access. The quality of the legal complaint is directly related to the quality of the research, identifying why the legal effort funding at this initial stage is critical (even if the reports of the effort can only be described in broad terms).

A complaint is not expected to open the road (unless the BLM is persuaded to respect the law through political pressure). The complaint will likely be followed with a restraining order and injunction to gain court direction, to order the BLM to open access on the road per the law established by Congress. Taking this process to a Federal Judge requires legal representation that has an assigned cost (and we are paying for what many believe is the best legal representation available).

The BLM's response to the complaint and injuction, challenging the court order, will determine if there is a need for a trial or a settlement. Both efforts (a trial or settlement) will require further legal representation to preserve the public rights of access on this historic road. It is not the intention to go to trial on this issue, although the effort will be taken to trial if required. If a settlement agreement is proposed by the BLM and DVNP, we do not want to be blindsided by legal terms and conditions imposed by these Agencies that are buried in an unreasonable settlement proposal (demanding legal council, and the respective cost of review and representation).

In all things legal the estimates of cost to mount a challenge are coached to be speculative. If the estimate is $20,000, expect the true costs to be $40,000 (etc.). The respect FOPV has for it's supporters includes a goal to not fail in this effort in the final stages of the effort in the event the BLM drags us into trial and funding is exhausted. We would rather have an excess of funds, than to run short of funds on the final obsticle.

While the FOPV effort is currently focused on reopening Surprise Canyon Road to the public, we also have parallel goals of improving public access to other parts of the mountain ranges surrounding the Panamint Valley. These parallel efforts will be executed with a combination of volunteer labor and funds collected (as allowed, so it will not dilute the legal effort to open Surprise Canyon Road). Any excess funds not applied to the current legal effort will be applied to other cooperative efforts to preserve motorized access to the rich recreation and cultural opportunities within this historic region.

I hope this helps others understand the ongoing effort and challenges, including the funding challenge. All funds advanced to FOPV are being directed to the legal effort to reopen access on Surprise Canyon Road.

Many clubs deserve thanks for their FOPV fundraising efforts and support (Trailblazers & Tinbenders included).

Happy Trails!

Ed - good job of spelling out where FOPV stands thus far.

The legal portion of reopening Surprise Canyon Road is very complex, but a winnable fight, when done correctly.

Enough cannot be said about the clubs and individuals who have poured time and money into reopening the road.

You don't have a hair on your n&ts#ck unless you drive the Tow Rig through the mud bath :laughing:



your right... freshly shaved :flipoff2:


besides, i can't get the bling all dirty :flipoff2: