Currently we are reviewing some of the rules for the 2005 W.E.Rock National and World Championship Series. This review is open for discussion and can be found HERE (http://crboards.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=1227#1227)

We urge anyone and everyone to post up due to the fact that if you don't, you probably will not have a say in how your rules will effect you. We are open to any and all viewpoints and will take all accounts into consideration.

Please remember this post is dealing with the rules portion of your National and World Championship Series.

Thanks to all that have participated,

Lil' Rich

10 negative points for womens drivers with no tops :grinpimp:

10 negative points for womens drivers with no tops :grinpimp:

Automatic 40 points for floppy man-boobs with no top :grinpimp:


TEX

lol, yeah fortunately our conversation is a little more in depth than that.

i tred to log on but it didn't work right now. but after racing karts for 10yrs. where there is maybe 1 roll a year yet it is manditory that an ambulance is there, a DOT helmet is req. as is a neck brace, full abraision resistant suit,gloves. and driving shoes.

for drivers in our sport where rollovers are prominant I am suprised that DRIVERS don't take it upon themselves to wear a neckbrace let alone some kind of suit/jacket for fire protection, a driver accessable fire ext.......it's their ass strapped in that flammable fluid filled vehicle rolling violently down a hill....
spotters: I personally will have a DOT approved helmet, and a racing jacket...
I always wore nomex sleeves and pants but having one arm get the skin torn off from the elbow down and a skin graph on the other tells ne its not enough.
and doctors believe my camel pack saved my spine.And with just a skate helmet the rig rolled just the right way to only take out all my limb and not ny trunk ,head and neck.

lastly AN ANAMBULANCE SHOULD BE MANDATORY EVERY EVENT!
there is too many rolls and such to not. Let alone the remote areas that most of these are held. I wouldn't be here if thre wasn't with the extent of my injuries.

team Shaffer will have all this next year

its all a different and sobering point of view when your stuck in a hospital bed recovering.

nick socha

I added some comments. What is the advantage of a window net except to keep you in and keep stuff out? I just don't think I have seen many instances where a net would have made a difference one way or the other.

Nick I agree with most everything said. Foremost should be safety, everywhere from the vehicles to the design of the courses.

But let me share some info about ambulances. We have to have an amublance on site during our races at Prairie City. If the Ambulance is needed, the one on site does not transport, they have to call another to do the transport. So having an ambulance on site does not assure a safer enviroment during the event. Now I do believe trained medical personel, with a medical action plan is mandatory. SarSammy has been doing our CalROCS events along with Cal4wheel drive events for years. His staff is ready to call in Life fight or an ambulance, part of the planning before the event. The closest Hospitals are notified ahead of time, as well as the local EMT/Paramedics rescue departments. Medical transportation always know about our events and the fastest way to get there, before the events are held. Agasin part of the pre-event planning.

We never want to see another competitor, staff member, or spectator have any type of injury. Most of which can be planned against, but should be planned for.

I'm not counting out having ambulances on site during the events, just informing everyone of how they operate.

Rich

racing karts there was a similar set up an ambulance always had to be there, and when it had to transport racing was haulted til it or another ambulance returned.

SARsammy has done a great job....I've never noticed he had a team also. I just know that opening my eyes to medics all around me (8 i was told and another 5 on the driver) with gear working kept me from panicing (seeing my left arm facing the wrong way). Laying at the crash site I never thought "why is this taking so long". It seemed like they treated me and transported me before I had a chance to get anxious. I hope SAR's staff is prepared for an accident like mine cause if they can't they need to gear upcause i wouldn't be here if those medics weren't there with all they had ....7 broken bones and severed artery,major loss of blood during transport.

I just don't think I have seen many instances where a net would have made a difference one way or the other.

From my perspective, the net has worked well in the F-Toy class. Both Lisa and John have experienced rolls where the net helped keep their extremities inside the vehicle.

When the stakes are are larger (unlimited) it's more likely the driver will be knocked unconcious. I was about 15 feet from Shaffer when he went loopy and his arms were flopping when he came to a rest. If the vehicle wasn't done moving at that point, it could have been ugly.

Just my .02


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racing karts there was a similar set up an ambulance always had to be there, and when it had to transport racing was haulted til it or another ambulance returned.

SARsammy has done a great job....I've never noticed he had a team also. I just know that opening my eyes to medics all around me (8 i was told and another 5 on the driver) with gear working kept me from panicing (seeing my left arm facing the wrong way). Laying at the crash site I never thought "why is this taking so long". It seemed like they treated me and transported me before I had a chance to get anxious. I hope SAR's staff is prepared for an accident like mine cause if they can't they need to gear upcause i wouldn't be here if those medics weren't there with all they had ....7 broken bones and severed artery,major loss of blood during transport.

I absolutely agree, and I have to admit that we've never had that many medical staff at any one event, except for Moon Rocks, but nearly that many at Goldendale.

One thing I can assure you, is that we will be on guard to not let the same type of situation that your accident happen in, occur at a CalROCS or W.E. Rock event. Planning for the unthinkable is now on everyones mind....

Rich

Now this isn't a comment on how you run things, but WTF is the good of an on site ambulance if they dont transport? What do they do if there is a serious accident and there isn't time for another box to show up?

Dallas

If Shaffer's rig would have gone 1/4 more roll, he would have lost an arm, end of story. I most likely was the closest guy to that rig as it came over as I was the one running in to tell the judge to get outta the way. I saw his arms out the windows before the car was even close to settling down. Window nets or arm restraints would have stopped that.

I added some comments. What is the advantage of a window net except to keep you in and keep stuff out? I just don't think I have seen many instances where a net would have made a difference one way or the other.


It only takes one instance to cut a finger or hand off. That should be good enough for a window net rule. When your knocked out the driver isn't going to hold on the steering wheel. I'm sure Big Rich is half right on the ambulance. I'm sure if someone was hurt and needed to be transported immediatly they would. Nick's injuries needed some experienced EMT's and I'm so glad they where there. They where very impressive on how they treated him.

It only takes one instance to cut a finger or hand off. That should be good enough for a window net rule. When your knocked out the driver isn't going to hold on the steering wheel. I'm sure Big Rich is half right on the ambulance. I'm sure if someone was hurt and needed to be transported immediatly they would. Nick's injuries needed some experienced EMT's and I'm so glad they where there. They where very impressive on how they treated him.

I've wondered the same thing about transport. They explained that they stablize and call in transport if needed. We do the same thing with our on the ground crew, we will call lifefight if the need is there. I'm truly glad that the need to do so has never occurred at our events, and pray that it remains as such. I know a lot of training will occur before our next competition, as far as judges, recovery and medical staff is concerned. We are looking at some changes in the rules that we believe will help eliminate the chance of some of the injuries that have or could happen.

Rich

There has been updates to this thread about safety and rules on the CalROCS Bulletin Boards. Feel free to register and reply.

http://crboards.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=268

Thanks for viewing.

You know what if you want input put it on this F-ING board. If you want to hide it put it on the damn Cal Rocs (or what ever it's called this W.E.ek) board that I just spent half an hour trying to log on to to say exactly this. How about you just pay Lance to have a CalRocs Page here so you can actually get some thing accomplished WITH the competitors. Nobody has the time to chase all the information to yours and five other web sites.

Here you go Jeff, this was taken straight from the website.

So an update on the rules for the W.E.Rock Series.

Spotter Rope non-use is going to be set at a 5 Point Bonus. You will not be able to pull on a vehicle if you are downhill. One warning will be issued, after that you will be disqualified for that course.

The stop penalty will stay in use. We believe that the sport, in this aspect, is fine the way it is. If you are a judge, It is your job to make sure everyone is safe. that includes stopping time on the course and pulling the spotter out from underneath the vehicle.

Rear Steer Penalty will stay at 5 points. We feel that this is a fair balance for now.

The cage height recommendation is going to be set at 3 inches. Remember that this is a recommendation.

Suspension Seats are a recommendation. BUT there will be nothing mounted between the frame rails of the seats. If there is something mounted in between the framerails of the seat, you will have to fix the problem before the next competition.

We are considering allowing the portals in the Legends Class. More to come on this soon.

4 Point Harness will be mandatory and will be checked before the team enters the course. Should be Snug. 5 Point Harness is highly recommended.

Neck restraints are highly recommended.

Driver Side Window Nets are recommended.

Radio Communication is Highly Recommended.

Thanks all for your replies, please review these rules and feel free to comment.

Thanks for moving them over for the computer dunces. Looks good I like reccomendations being the=at these are all hand built machines what is worded to be safe in one may not be in another. The builder is often the driver and should have most of the responsibility but CalRocs can lend suggestions.
You know my biggest thing is enforcment of what you put in ink. So with the possibility of being put on the trailer or being docked points we all will be carefull as to what we try to fudge.
Thanks

I think Jeff likes fudge!

i agree with nick. ambulance on site,they transport and the comp stops until another wagon gets there. i could have cut my recovery time in half if i had been transported sooner. i'm not blaming anybody,i knew the risks.

good start on the unsafe pull rule. dq them for the event,no warning. or get rid of the rope altogether.

4 Point Harness will be mandatory and will be checked before the team enters the course. Should be Snug. 5 Point Harness is highly recommended.


Are you going to allow or dis-allow a retractor behind a Y shoulder harness ??