I have a choice between mounting my new coilovers angled forward or backwards on my front axle. I can mount them front/back/centered on the rear axle.

3-links front and rear, 16" travel SAW's, etc. I was thinking it would be best to mount them in the same direction that the links go?? Not sure it makes a lot of difference. :confused:

Squash

Mount them the way that the axle will "travel" in its "arc" on the link bars. Make sure they have no problem doing their "job" where they are located....ie:...binding/hitting GOOD LUCK :beer: :beer: :D

Rake um' back in the front, and forward in the rear...The more fore/aft the more travel, and less dampning.

--D

Thanks for the insight guys. I was thinking just like you guys...

Squash

Yeah...lean them both in towards each other at the tops....looks bad ass.

CJ

Originally posted by RockRover
Rake um' back in the front, and forward in the rear...The more fore/aft the more travel, and less dampning.

--D

I gotta ask...

Why would you want less dampening ?

I think what they mean is you get more useable travel out of the shocks if you mount them this way. I've got 16" of travel, I think i can get away with angling them forward in the front and straight up in the rear. I can't go vertical in the front, however.

Squash

Ya, I kinda figured that...
I would keep um as close to a 1:1 ratio as you can

Originally posted by dirtrod


I gotta ask...

Why would you want less dampening ?

It's not that you want it, but effectivley you'll have less leverage from the shock at an angle as oppossed to vertical....Basically the shock will travel less for every inch of movement of the vechicle....Hence more travel....Sheeze...I need a nap. :zzz:

--D

BTT for this one!
What's the deal with the side to side angle of the coilovers. When ssns468 or whatever his name was, with the checkbook SNORT rig- showed his pics there was some talk of the angle of the rear coilovers.
I've talked to a few people who sound like they know their shit and all recommend as much angle as you can weasel out of your ride. Somebody even said to go with a swivel and hang the coilover on the knuckle. :eek: I've seen a few front setups with up'n down shocks but most are angled and it seems to vary a lot. Does it make a huge difference with body roll? I'd think you'd angle front to back as needed for the arc of the links and go straight up and down, but I don't know jack about this.
My junk's full width and 77 CJ frame. What sounds good?

Does anyone understand shock valving????? Take a few seconds to read up on monotube shock design.
http://www.bilstein.com/products/mono.html
http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf10124.htm

There was some good info. here. I feel that MOST people who are using these type on coil over shocks are just not achieving the full benefits. It is amazing what a properly dialed in shock can DO. Did anyone see GOAT1 @ EJS fly down Potato Salad Hill. If you did, that was without dialing the shocks in. All I have to say is WOW! I hardly felt a thing. I'll post some picks when I find my camera.

Originally posted by Slagburn
BTT for this one!
What's the deal with the side to side angle of the coilovers. When ssns468 or whatever his name was, with the checkbook SNORT rig- showed his pics there was some talk of the angle of the rear coilovers.
I've talked to a few people who sound like they know their shit and all recommend as much angle as you can weasel out of your ride. Somebody even said to go with a swivel and hang the coilover on the knuckle. :eek: I've seen a few front setups with up'n down shocks but most are angled and it seems to vary a lot. Does it make a huge difference with body roll? I'd think you'd angle front to back as needed for the arc of the links and go straight up and down, but I don't know jack about this.
My junk's full width and 77 CJ frame. What sounds good?

Dude...what's with the "checkbook SNORT rig" shit??...that's my ride and you have no clue what I went through, or what Jason and Trevor went through, to make that project happen...

...as far as coilover geometry...mine works...go figure it out for your self...:flipoff:

in terms of side to side angle, the further towards centerline the shock is the less effective it will be...it has no lever arm to work on the vehicle with. That may help you.

CJ

My friend used coilovers in the rear of his CJ7 with a full width Dana60. He spent a lot of time with Clifton of Avalanche Engineering working out the specifics of the coilovers. Needless to say, Avalanche has had a little bit of experience with these components.
There are a lot of things to consider when mounting them up. I say do some research from a suspension building company or the shock company itself and find out the specifics. If I could remeber some of the numbers and geometry, I would let you know, but I can't really remember.
You do need to mount them in the same arcing pattern as the links move. Having them slightly angled in does help as well. Just remember that the farther out on the axle they are placed, the more control for upper body roll you will have.
A perfect example of this was my friend with that CJ7. After getting his set up, we went and ran the hammers in JV. His set up worked great and really kept his rig stable.
This other guy we met out there had another rig with coilovers in the rear, but they were placed pretty far inbound because he didn' cut up into his tub. He experience pretty massive body roll because of it. After talking to him for a while, he was going to try and somehow move them out farther, or just get much stiffer springs.

Originally posted by 664n668


Dude...what's with the "checkbook SNORT rig" shit??...that's my ride and you have no clue what I went through, or what Jason and Trevor went through, to make that project happen...

...as far as coilover geometry...mine works...go figure it out for your self...:flipoff:

:laughing: :laughing: Not laughing at you 664, it is just that this is classic for pirate4x4!:D :D :rasta:

Oh, um coilovers? Sorry can't help you, but I would like to know.

The upper mount I would say is more important than the lower.

Hey 644, whats a good like to some pics of your rig. I would like to see it.

Thanks
Fleckster

Oh, it's 664 something something something. Sorry I got the name wrong.
Whatever dude. It's a checkbook ride. They built it for you and your bank got drained. You gonna deny that?
Yeah, it's a nice Jeep :rolleyes: and I'm not hacking on you or any of the build elements.
But, I'm not going to ask you the proud owner about the suspension design. Because you don't know what's going on there, it was done for you.
Now, if you want to come back and tell my WHY the rear coilovers were angled, without calling up the builders real quick, I'd be happy to listen.
Cuz I'm building my own shit without being able to look at my last ten customer's rigs and improve on them as some can. Look around you, it happens all the time here. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by 664n668


Dude...what's with the "checkbook SNORT rig" shit??...that's my ride and you have no clue what I went through, or what Jason and Trevor went through, to make that project happen...

...as far as coilover geometry...mine works...go figure it out for your self...:flipoff:

_somebody_ needs to get laid... :D

Hey brett you want my spare "Powered by VISA" logo?

:vader2:

Originally posted by xBabyJesus


_somebody_ needs to get laid... :D

Hey brett you want my spare "Powered by VISA" logo?

:vader2:

I feel like I'm repeating myself...

John, you're a dumbass...

Originally posted by The Fleckster
Hey 644, whats a good like to some pics of your rig. I would like to see it.

Thanks
Fleckster

here ya go:
My Rig (http://www.sn-fab.com/projects/Brett/index.html)

Originally posted by Slagburn
Oh, it's 664 something something something. Sorry I got the name wrong.
Whatever dude. It's a checkbook ride. They built it for you and your bank got drained. You gonna deny that?
Yeah, it's a nice Jeep :rolleyes: and I'm not hacking on you or any of the build elements.
But, I'm not going to ask you the proud owner about the suspension design. Because you don't know what's going on there, it was done for you.
Now, if you want to come back and tell my WHY the rear coilovers were angled, without calling up the builders real quick, I'd be happy to listen.
Cuz I'm building my own shit without being able to look at my last ten customer's rigs and improve on them as some can. Look around you, it happens all the time here. :rolleyes:

OK...it was late, I'd been drinking, and you pissed me off...

well...it's morning, I'm sober, and...you're still pissing me off...

:flipoff:

With an attitude like that I don't give a shit about your ride:rolleyes: Grow up and stop trying to take credit for something you didn't build. YA, your jeep is cool!Hell Ya I'd give my left nut for it but damn dude get over it:flipoff2:

Jeep looks good, but I have a question, not saying anything is wrong with it, I'm just currious.
Are the rear/lower shock mounts, shackles cut in half?, just want to know?

The check book comment is way out of line.



As far as shock mounting goes. The futher out board the shock is mounted the more stable it will be. I like to lay the shock in about 18 degrees. In the rear if you can mount the shock from the axle toward the back of the vehicle in the arc of the link it will help float you over the woops

eric filar@fatcity

Originally posted by desertCJ
With an attitude like that I don't give a shit about your ride:rolleyes: Grow up and stop trying to take credit for something you didn't build. YA, your jeep is cool!Hell Ya I'd give my left nut for it but damn dude get over it:flipoff2:

The last thing I would try to do is take credit for the design and fab work that the boys at S&N did...hell, that the main reason I try to show it off as much as possible...it ain't for my ego, anyone that know's me will tell you that it's inflated enough already :D ...as far as I'm concerned what they did with my rig is a work of art and they deserve all the credit for that...

what pisses me off is when people assume that I handed over my keys and a check, and a week later I got my new rig back...and that I had no input and don't have a clue as to what they did...just because I was able to afford the work they did doesn't make me a fucking moron...

Originally posted by 664n668


I feel like I'm repeating myself...

John, you're a dumbass...

Oops I did it again :flipoff2:

Originally posted by FatCity
Jeep looks good, but I have a question, not saying anything is wrong with it, I'm just currious.
Are the rear/lower shock mounts, shackles cut in half?, just want to know?


eric filar@fatcity

http://www.sn-fab.com/projects/Brett/roundy016.JPG

nope...all of the bracketry was custom...the axle side coilover brackets are out of 1/4" T1 plate...and I have no idea who that is in the background groping themselves...:eek:

Originally posted by xBabyJesus


Oops I did it again :flipoff2:

yeah...but by now we expect it...:flipoff2:

OK, my bad. I like professional sit just as much as the next guy and I would love to be able to turn my jeep over to an awsome builder(Fat City perhaps:D ) but I don't have that kind of budget. That isn't stopping me though! I'm finishing up my quarter elliptical suspension right now:smokin: I just think that there is something cool about being able to say that I built it myself.Later:smokin:

Originally posted by FatCity

The check book comment is way out of line.
eric filar@fatcity

I guess that depends on whether you are the checkbookor or the checkbookee...



;)

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by 664n668


yeah...but by now we expect it...:flipoff2:

Just trying to keep you in check so your head don't :nuke: :D

Originally posted by ouibus
This other guy we met out there had another rig with coilovers in the rear, but they were placed pretty far inbound because he didn' cut up into his tub. He experience pretty massive body roll because of it. After talking to him for a while, he was going to try and somehow move them out farther, or just get much stiffer springs.

You talk'in about me? Yeah the problem with my shock position was due to 2 factors.
1. They were inboarded to far due to link placement.
2. They were angled improperly.

I have since fixed the problem and am taking it to JV this weekend to see how it works. I outboarded the bottom mounts 4 inches each and inboarded the top mounts 1 inch each. It is important to keep the shock tangent with the lower mounting point in relation to the axles roll axis. This will vary from rig to rig so there is NO true answer that angling the shocks will be good for your rig or not! :p

Good answer Ant, thanks. Looks like time to do some more brushing up on things.

Yeah, I was talking about you Ant. How is it going? Man I wish that I could be out there with you guys running JV again. I had a blast last time. Glad to hear that you got that problem reworked. Hopefully it works good for you. Did you ever get your engine to run in closed loop, or are you planning to keep it running in open look? Just curious.
I can't remember his name, but the guy with Toyota pickup. Did he end up four linking his rig or not. Also, I think it was Chris with the YJ and air bag suspension. Did he finally get his running. Anyway, it was good to talk to you again, and have a good time in JV. Thomas

Originally posted by 664n668


OK...it was late, I'd been drinking, and you pissed me off...

well...it's morning, I'm sober, and...you're still pissing me off...

:flipoff:

Short and to the point, I like it....

As for checkbooks.... Checkbooks are nice, wish I had one, or a few more people came to me WITH them so I would have one.... instead I build enough shit to buy the tools to do the next job, and about 1 in 10 of those jobs is on my own shit... just the way it works.

Now enough about who built what (although it is entertaining)

Do you ever drive it on the street or at speed offroad? Do you like the "2 link with a panhard bar" front end?

Reason I am asking is I just built one for a setup intended to be VERY similar (cept the upper link is all the way on one side of the rig) and I have no idea how it will handle anywhere other than on a trailer or a rock.....

anyway, pretty kick ass shiat, if I had the funds, and wasn't wacked enough to think fab work is FUN, I'd pay someone to do it too.

Originally posted by 664n668


...and I have no idea who that is in the background groping themselves...:eek:

Apparently someone who really liked the Jeep's set-up!! :D :D

Originally posted by foley


Short and to the point, I like it....

As for checkbooks.... Checkbooks are nice, wish I had one, or a few more people came to me WITH them so I would have one.... instead I build enough shit to buy the tools to do the next job, and about 1 in 10 of those jobs is on my own shit... just the way it works.

Now enough about who built what (although it is entertaining)

Do you ever drive it on the street or at speed offroad? Do you like the "2 link with a panhard bar" front end?

Reason I am asking is I just built one for a setup intended to be VERY similar (cept the upper link is all the way on one side of the rig) and I have no idea how it will handle anywhere other than on a trailer or a rock.....

anyway, pretty kick ass shiat, if I had the funds, and wasn't wacked enough to think fab work is FUN, I'd pay someone to do it too.

I agree...too much like a damn soap opera :D :D :D

About the front 2 link with 1 side radiused...the heep is still my daily driver, and I've put about 2000 miles on it since it was finished...it handles great, even at 70 or 80 on the freeway

it does wander just a bit on uneven pavement (I live WAY out in the boonies), but not bad at all, and it doesn't even have a steering stabalizer yet...

overall it's still the 'one hand on top of the wheel' steering...no white knuckes...

not sure though what difference it'll make with the upper link on one side rather than towards the center (probably because I only paid for mine :D )

Originally posted by ouibus
Yeah, I was talking about you Ant. How is it going? Man I wish that I could be out there with you guys running JV again. I had a blast last time. Glad to hear that you got that problem reworked. Hopefully it works good for you. Did you ever get your engine to run in closed loop, or are you planning to keep it running in open look? Just curious.
I can't remember his name, but the guy with Toyota pickup. Did he end up four linking his rig or not. Also, I think it was Chris with the YJ and air bag suspension. Did he finally get his running. Anyway, it was good to talk to you again, and have a good time in JV. Thomas

Going good... I'm all psych'd for JV, I'm heading down in a couple hours. Took the FJ for a spin around the block last night, its a bit stiffer now with the shocks angled correctly. I had to make new upper links and mount to get the clearance I needed but that was no biggie. No my engine is still running the same, I need to get a Mass Air Flow sensor for it still. I have a friend that has an extra but I can't seem to get him to part with it yet LOL. That was Tim with the Toy, no he didn't link it, instead he rolled it (see pic below) the day after you left and now its all tube'd up, looks like Mad Max's ride or something. Chris is finally taking his ride to JV with us this weekend, we'll see how it does.....


http://www.sierrarockcrawlers.com/images2/1223.jpg

Ant

Originally posted by 333J


I agree...too much like a damn soap opera :D :D :D

About the front 2 link with 1 side radiused...the heep is still my daily driver, and I've put about 2000 miles on it since it was finished...it handles great, even at 70 or 80 on the freeway

it does wander just a bit on uneven pavement (I live WAY out in the boonies), but not bad at all, and it doesn't even have a steering stabalizer yet...

overall it's still the 'one hand on top of the wheel' steering...no white knuckes...

not sure though what difference it'll make with the upper link on one side rather than towards the center (probably because I only paid for mine :D )

oh...and I should mention that on the street I run the AntiRock sway bar in the front at its stiffest setting...disco it completely for off road...no rear sway bar...

That sucks that TIm rolled his rig the day after we left. Although, knowing him, he loved every minute of it. Glad to here that Chris got his rig running. If you get a chance, I would love to see some pics of that thing in action. Well hopefully, you guys have a good time down there. Have fun, Thomas

sweet pic dude!