After much time and thought we have come up with what will be the rules and vehicle specs for a 3 event series located at Rausch Creek Offroad Park in Tower City PA. Dates will be announced as soon as the rest of the competition community releases their dates. I would like to stick to these rules however if any major issuse come up they can be addressed. If any changes are to be made they will have to be made by the January 1st of 2005.

Bryan "otter" Whaley

www.rauschcreekoffroadpark.com
www.whaleyent.com

Stock Rock Challenge
Stock Rock Challenge was created to provide an entry level Rock Crawling Competition. With four main goals in mind we have set forth to try to create a new style of competition that is going to fun and challenging. The first and foremost goal is to allow the drivers skills to be the highlight of the competition. With that in mind we have attempted to create vehicle specifications that will keep everyone on an even playing field. By requiring vehicles to run parts that are readily available in the aftermarket anyone could build a competitive vehicle.
Rules:

Payout:

1.Stock Rock Challenge will be a three event series
2.Points from all three events will be cumulative towards the series standings
3.The entry fee will be 100$ per event and a 50$ series fee
4.The purse will be 100% payout of the entry fees paid to 3rd place
Competition:
1. Course will be run with progression style points, for each pair of gates (cones) that a vehicle completes 10 point will be given. If a vehicle or competitor touches a cone they will not be given 10 points and the gate is dead.
2. A gate is consider completed when all four tires of the vehicle pass through the gates with out touching any cones.
3. When a course is completed an additional 15 points will be given. A course is considered completed when the whole vehicle is through the finish gate. All four tires must pass through the finish
4. Bonus gates will be offered rules regarding bonus gate will be discussed at each event.
5. Unlimited stops and reversals
6. If a competitor or vehicle touches the banners or banner tape time will be stopped and they will receive no points for that obstacle
7. Teams will be given a set amount of time to finish each obstacle, during which time if a competitor or vehicle leave the course area they will not receive any points
8. If a team fails to complete an obstacle in the given time there score will be based on the number of completed gates.
9. Judges and staff have the right to stop and excuse any competitor that is behaving in a dangerous or un-sportsmanlike fashion
10. While competitors are on the clock no outside help is allowed. However verbal outside help is allowed.
11. Drive and spotter must finish each event with the vehicle that they started the event with.
12. No spotter ropes
13. Spotters are not allowed to be in front of a moving vehicle(if the tires are turning and the vehicle is not moving it is still considered moving)
14. Radios between driver and spotter are not allowed. Also the driver is not allowed to use a radio to communicate with anyone while they are on the clock.
15. Spotters should never touch a moving vehicle, If this occurs the team will receive no points from that obstacle
16. All Vehicles must pass tech inspection. Stock Rock Challenge reserves the right to turn away vehicles if they do not pass tech inspection.
17. Vehicle leaking fluids while on the course will be stopped and no points will be issued on that obstacle. A fluid leak is defined as a steady stream of fluid more than a drip.
18. Starting order will be drawn Saturday morning at the drivers meeting.
19. Drivers meeting is mandatory
20. Competitors can walk the courses in the morning, they will be given one minute timed, to walk each course before they run it
21. Spotter ride bonus will be 5 points. Spotter ride can only be used once per day. Spotter must wear a Dot approved helmet
22. 4-point seat belts must be worn at all times when the vehicle is in motion.
23.Stock Rock Challenge reserves the right to refuse vehicles or teams at tech inspection. If are believed to have a competitive advantage. We define competitive advantage as exploiting grey areas in the rules and attempting to make modifications to a Teams vehicle that will allow it to be superior to other competitors. If a team is charge with competitive advantage if they fix or change the item in question they will be allowed to compete. If you have any vehicle specification questions please contact us.
24. Endangerment, Anyone who operates a vehicle will on the course or off the course in dangerous manor will be asked to leave.


Stock Rock Challenge
Stock Class:

Stock Class will be divided into two sub classes, short wheelbase and long wheelbase. Long wheelbase will be any vehicle over 100 inches in measured wheelbase
1. Tire size limited to 33 inches stamped tire size
2. Axle housing must be OEM, no swaps to bigger model axle assemblies
3. Body must be complete and unchanged
4. Fender trimming is allowed but only 2 inches of original sheet metal maybe removed
5. Engine and Drivetrain must be OEM
6. No twin stick transfer case or driveline disconnects
7. No cutting brakes
8. Stock Suspension mounting points must be used and original style of suspension must be maintained. (Examples, no long arms suspensions, on leaf sprung vehicles if it came factory spring under it needs to stay spring under)
9. All Parts used on vehicle must be readily available in the consumer market place
10. Factory gas tanks must be in stock location
11. Radiator must be in stock location
11. No Hydro assist or fully Hydro steering systems
12. No belly-up cross members or custom made cross-members to increase ground clearance
13. Frames must be OEM, no changes or modifications
14. No coil-over over shocks or shocks that are rebuildable
15. Winch with at least 6000 lbs rating is requird

Super Stock Class:

Super Stock will be divided into two sub classes, short wheelbase and long wheelbase. Long wheelbase will be any vehicle over 105 inches in measured wheelbase
1. Tire size limited to 35 inches stamped tire size
2. Body must be complete and retain factory panels hood, grille and fenders
3. Body floor and inner fender wells must be maintained Inner fenders may be modified to allow the use of a Campbell style one piece hood assembly
4. Suspensions must resemble the factory style. Suspensions must use readily available parts that any consumer could purchase off the shelf
5. No hydro assist or full Hydro steering
6. No coil-over shocks
7. Factory Gas tanks must be in stock location Fuel cells are allowed but the OEM stlye fuel tank skid must be used in the OEM mounting location (no modifications to skid to allow for improved ground clearance)
8. Frames must be OEM or aftermarket. If the frame is aftermarket it will only be allowed if it is constructed to mirror an OEM frame.
9. No portal axles
10. Engine and radiator must be in factory location
11. Frame rails must not be shortened, changed or modified

Vehicle Specifications
All Classes

1. Vehicles must be in good solid over all condition excessive rust will not be allowed
2. Vehicles must have some type of exhaust system to keep noise to reasonable levels
3. Brakes must be in good working order and free of leaks
4. Mechanical Parking brake is required
5. Vented gas caps are not allowed, fuel system must not leak if the vehicle is upside down
6. Seats must be of high back style and in good condition
7. Vehicles must have a tether kill switch that shuts off the engine and full pump that shall be mounted in the center of the dash
8. Tow hooks or recovery points front and rear
9. All teams must have tow-strap, tree strap, shackle and snatch block
10. Winch weight bag
11. At least 2 fire extinguishers that are easily accessible
12. All winches must use synthetic rope, No Wire rope
13. 2 trash bags
14. Vehicles must have front and rear bumpers that connect the frame rails
15. Hand throttles are not allowed
16. Roll-cage padding is required
17. Anyone riding in a vehicle must wear a DOT approved helmet
18. Spotters must wear at least a bicycle style helmet
19. No spotter driver radios are allowed
20. Side bars (that can be removed) or Hard-doors are required, hard half doors are also ok
21. If doors are used they must be OEM or check by an official
22. Winches may not be used to change ride height or limit suspension travel
23. Air suspensions or change of ride height will no be allowed
24. No changes in wheelbase during competition
25. All tires must be DOT approved
26. First aid kit required

Stock Class Vehicle Requirements

1. Four-point roll-cage tied into frame at 2 points in front of the seats and 2 points behind the seats. Factory roll-cage mounting points do not require additional frame tie-in
2. Cage must be constructed of at least 1.5x .120 wall tubing and have at least 2 spreaders and 4 gussets
3. Cage must have a bar behind the seats to mount shoulder harnesses
4.
5. No Beadlock wheels
Super Stock Class Requirements
1. 6 point roll-cage tied into the frame at 4 points, 2 in front of seats and 2 directly behind the seats
2. Cage must be constructed to at least 1.5x.120 wall tubing
3. Must have at least 3 spreaders
4. Cage must have a roof of expanded metal or at least .120 thick aluminum
5. Cage must be gusseted at 4 point around the halo, Gussets must be made of at least .120 plate or 1”x.120 wall tubing. Gussets must be longer than 3 inches
6. Seats must be tied into cage and also there must be bar behind the seats for shoulder harnesses
7. 6000lbs minimum electric winch


Formula Toy

We will offer a formula toy class sharing the same rules as out west. They can be read at
www.formulatoy.com

There is 2 minor changes to the rules they are highlighted in orange.

East Coast Formula Toy !!

I'm in

Are Diff Lockers and higher R&P gears allowed in the stock classes?

How about a 4.7 Crawler?

what about intakes and exhaust systems? or do they have to be stock didn't see that on the list.

Are Diff Lockers and higher R&P gears allowed in the stock classes?

How about a 4.7 Crawler?

the only class where this would be restricted would be the formula toy class

what about intakes and exhaust systems? or do they have to be stock didn't see that on the list.

intake and exhaust mods are fine

so no toyotas with dual cases? Looks like the stock class is going to be all jeeps.

I think the drivetrain limitations are to tight, the stock class is biased to jeeps with automatic transmissions. If you go on a trail run MANY older jeeps with manual trannies will have swapped out the crappy stock tranny, and almost ALL of the toyotas will have dual cases.

EDIT: this is still awsome to see hopefully this kind of event will become more common as it is a much more entry level event then anything else out there.

so no toyotas with dual cases? Looks like the stock class is going to be all jeeps.

I think the drivetrain limitations are to tight, the stock class is biased to jeeps with automatic transmissions. If you go on a trail run MANY older jeeps with manual trannies will have swapped out the crappy stock tranny, and almost ALL of the toyotas will have dual cases.

EDIT: this is still awsome to see hopefully this kind of event will become more common as it is a much more entry level event then anything else out there.

You can always run the super stock class :)
You toyota ppl are so anti-jeep.... :(

I think we all went through this the first time I proposed the rules, that this style of competiton is designed to have limitations. Not every vehicle is going to fit. The goal is to try to keep an equal playing field, I believe that dual cases in the stock class would give you advantage. Would you not agree?

Hey Otter I have some questions about the superstock class, the body rule is kind of vauge, would a bobbed scrambler be able to compete in that class?

Hey Otter I have some questions about the superstock class, the body rule is kind of vauge, would a bobbed scrambler be able to compete in that class?

I would like to see the the complete floor and inner fender wells, So im assuming that you have cut away some of the rear floor? And shortened your rear frame rails?

Otter...
are complete drivetrain swaps allowed in superstock? (btw, not my "jeep")
Josh

Otter...
are complete drivetrain swaps allowed in superstock? (btw, not my "jeep")
Josh

In superstock you can run whatever drivetrain you want. Is your jeep still a flower pot?

Stock class questions for a FJ40....
I know you can't run a SM420 but what about a Non-US FJ40 tranny with a low first gear? Lower gears in Tcase ie..Orion? On 40's you can also flip the springs and gain extra wheelbase without moving the mounts, would this be within rules?
Thanks.

In superstock you can run whatever drivetrain you want. Is your jeep still a flower pot?

suspension is done, steering and fuel cell will be done over thansgiving, and i need to finish the brakes and driveshafts....
Josh

Stock class questions for a FJ40....
I know you can't run a SM420 but what about a Non-US FJ40 tranny with a low first gear? Lower gears in Tcase ie..Orion? On 40's you can also flip the springs and gain extra wheelbase without moving the mounts, would this be within rules?
Thanks.

flipping the springs would be ok,the orion would be ok, similar to tera low and we are going to allow them in the stock class. As for the tranny as long as it came in a toyota fromt the factory somewhere that would be fine. :)

Thanks otter!

Damn you portal haters!!!!
Seriously...good idea. I think you'll get a lot of interest from competitors.

I would like to see the the complete floor and inner fender wells, So im assuming that you have cut away some of the rear floor? And shortened your rear frame rails?

Yes rear floor and frame are shortened but still complete, there is a complete floor and I would run stock fenders with minor trimming. I will bring it by when it's done. Is there axle limits besides portals for the super stock class?

A few q's-

in super stock class, are spring overs allowed? what about twin stick t-cases? Aftermarket center skids?

I have a YJ with Toyota axles, a D300 with twin stick, and sprung over. Would this be ok in the super stock class?

In super stock class, Jeeps comp cut are not allowed?

It may be me, but I think you guys may be missing the point.

The idea behind THIS specific comp is to keep things as close to stock as possible. This will give the advantage to the one with the driving skills. There are lots of comps that everyone can get into now and this one just may not be for some of you. For me specifically, the idea of taking a near-stock Solid Axle Toy with very few mods into a comp is awesome.

Example -

84-85 Toyota pickup w/22re and W565spd, and stock t-case. Run 2" springs in stock location, take 2" out of the fenders and freaking WHEEL~~ How much easier does it get?

Cost? 2K here in the rustbelt.

It may be me, but I think you guys may be missing the point.

The idea behind THIS specific comp is to keep things as close to stock as possible. This will give the advantage to the one with the driving skills. There are lots of comps that everyone can get into now and this one just may not be for some of you. For me specifically, the idea of taking a near-stock Solid Axle Toy with very few mods into a comp is awesome.

Example -

84-85 Toyota pickup w/22re and W565spd, and stock t-case. Run 2" springs in stock location, take 2" out of the fenders and freaking WHEEL~~ How much easier does it get?

Cost? 2K here in the rustbelt.


I get the point behind the comp, and i like it. I was only asking if the fact that i put in toyota axles under my jeep (axles are stock toyota) will keep me from competing. I would like to compete, but my jeep is a long way from Neuroc. this would be a great way include more stock like rigs, and rigs that are not so stock, but not ready for Uroc type comps.

I just want to see a little more clarification on the super stock rules, thats all.

I get the point behind the comp, and i like it. I was only asking if the fact that i put in toyota axles under my jeep (axles are stock toyota) will keep me from competing. I would like to compete, but my jeep is a long way from Neuroc. this would be a great way include more stock like rigs, and rigs that are not so stock, but not ready for Uroc type comps.

I just want to see a little more clarification on the super stock rules, thats all.

That's me. forgot to log out from the work account.

have any dates picked out yet?

have any dates picked out yet?

from what I understand, they are waiting on the release of the major schedules so that they can fill in, the inbetween dates.

A few q's-

in super stock class, are spring overs allowed? what about twin stick t-cases? Aftermarket center skids?

I have a YJ with Toyota axles, a D300 with twin stick, and sprung over. Would this be ok in the super stock class?


In superstock suspension must resemble orignal suspension
defined better,, IF it had leafs it needs to stay leafs, if it has coils it needs to stay coils,, Spring overs and long arms are allowed in SUPER stock class.

For example you could not do a 1/4 elliptical on the back of a YJ
For super stock
twin stick is fine
toyota axles are fine
anytype of skidplate is fine
soa is fine

Yes rear floor and frame are shortened but still complete, there is a complete floor and I would run stock fenders with minor trimming. I will bring it by when it's done. Is there axle limits besides portals for the super stock class?

But your rear frame is shortened??
that would not be allowed, Im sure you can come up with a way to satisfy the rules :)

In super stock class, Jeeps comp cut are not allowed?


2. Body must be complete and retain factory panels hood, grille and fenders

all of these parts must be present

3. Body floor and inner fender wells must be maintained
You can cut all you want, but the body floor and inner fender wells (both front and rear must be present)may not be cut or altered

2. Body must be complete and retain factory panels hood, grille and fenders

all of these parts must be present

3. Body floor and inner fender wells must be maintained
You can cut all you want, but the body floor and inner fender wells (both front and rear must be present)may not be cut or altered

I understand the frame rule no biggie, I will figure something out. But is the rear floor ok since it was shortened?

the only class where this would be restricted would be the formula toy class

Restricted? :confused:

Not that I'm running on the East Coast (nor on the West Coast at the moment), but you reference www.formulatoy.com and it states you can use any commercially available gearset and dual case adapter. So in Ftoy, are they restricted further than what's allowed in the Formula Toys out here?

I think over all its a great idea.

I dont agree with the non stock axles at all in stock class though. Becasue for exalmple my YJ would qualify all except i run a toyota rear, i still have a d30 front.

I think any axle that is within say 2" of stock width should be allowable. Me running a toy axle doesnt give me any advantage really, only reason its in there is becasue it was cheaper than fixing my d35

the rest of the rules are great though. I would have thrown a cage in mine and run it

I understand the frame rule no biggie, I will figure something out. But is the rear floor ok since it was shortened?
as long as there is a floor there that would be the same dimensions as the original floor. Also so you still have your inner rear fender wells?

as long as there is a floor there that would be the same dimensions as the original floor. Also so you still have your inner rear fender wells?

Since it is a bobbed Scrambler original dimensions are not possible. Is removing the glass out of a cherokee and cuting some of the roof off for the cage be exceptable in the superstock class? Just trying to figure out what to run instead of a TJ, YJ, or CJ in the superclass. :p

Since it is a bobbed Scrambler original dimensions are not possible. Is removing the glass out of a cherokee and cuting some of the roof off for the cage be exceptable in the superstock class? Just trying to figure out what to run instead of a TJ, YJ, or CJ in the superclass. :p

that would be fine,,(the xj that is)

Stock Rock Challenge
Stock Class:

Stock Class will be divided into two sub classes, short wheelbase and long wheelbase. Long wheelbase will be any vehicle over 100 inches in measured wheelbase

6. No twin stick transfer case or driveline



What about vehicles that came stock with twin sticks? Is my almost bone stock '46 CJ2A (lockers, 31" tires and a cage) bumped up to a higher class because of this?

What about vehicles that came stock with twin sticks? Is my almost bone stock '46 CJ2A (lockers, 31" tires and a cage) bumped up to a higher class because of this?

First good question,, second are you really going to drive from all the way from MN to compete? :) Anyways im sure you could come up with some way to lock out the twin stick ability, with zip ties or duct tape at the very least :)

I don't post a lot here, but you have a really great idea for a comp and I couldn't help but ask in case everything lines up right and I get the chance to go. I just wish it was closer - but PA is a hell of lot coser than CA. I'd need to have excess vacation time and cash when the comp time comes around and you know how hard it is to come by excess cash when you have a 4x4...

As far as the twin stick rule goes, are you just trying to eliminate front digs? Dana 18s aren't front dig capable no matter what you do to them. You can't send power to the front shaft without sending power to the rear shaft. You can take an interlock out so you can get rear only in low range, but I doubt you're trying to outlaw that since anybody with locking hubs can do the same thing with a single stick.

Are cutting brakes allowed in super stock?

What about flat fenders, if the inner fenders and top of fenders are maintained?

I dont want to cut my fenders up if its not allowed.

Thanks

Are cutting brakes allowed in super stock?

What about flat fenders, if the inner fenders and top of fenders are maintained?

I dont want to cut my fenders up if its not allowed.

Thanks

cutting brakes in super stock
flat fenders would be fine in super stock

[mr burns voice] Execellent!! [/mr burns voice]

I think Otter is giving till this weekend to address any more concerns about the rules.

just to give everyone an update, We are still going to be running this event, we will clear up a few things in the rules(not changes but just define a few things better) this weekend. If anyone has any questions about the rules post up now.. thanks otter

Sounds like I need to bring my trail rig to these events

I think there needs to be a sub class in stock where you have rubi's against rubi's and then others would be just a rear locker and 33's then I can compete. :D

Looking good. Be a while before I would have something ready.

Great idea, I am all about participating. I have a samurai or two, and a 98 tj at my disposal. I just need the finalized list of the rules, to see what this is going to take. But this looks like it could be fun.

I just curious as to the reason why my jeep is ineligable for the super stock competition all because of my fuel cell? I thought safety was the first concern as with an rockcrawling league? Just looking for some clarification and hopeful ill be able to run in this league.

just wanted to add the dates to this thread.

Stock Rock Challenge at Rausch Creek Offroad Park


May 1
May 29
June 26

This will be a one day event as of now, If we get alot of entries we will move to a two day event and add saturday.

still wondering if my jeep will make spec for super stock...

still wondering if my jeep will make spec for super stock...


There where some things cleared up on the front page concerning hoods and fuel cells.

as for the safety issue, I have seen alot more fuel cells and poor plumbing jobs result in fuel spilling than from a factory setup.

Ok, I have a few questions for you as well. What about us that dont have trucks/jeeps that came factory with a SFA? I cut the IFS out of my truck almost 2 years ago and I think this type of event would be awesome for the other part of the wheelin population that "doest understand the jeep thing" or doesnt want to have to drive a TOY....what I am saying is, some of the rules seem like they are geared mainly toward Jeeps and Toys.......
I would love to have the opportunity to do this kind of event since my truck is still full bodied, but very capable, but I also know it wouldnt be allowed anyway since it has coilovers. I guess I would have to run with the big boys if I want to TRY and compete. Like most of the other guys have said, this is going to be a great opportunity for lots of folks to get in there and actually be able to compete against other people and how they drive, not how well their rig is set up.....
My .02

Brian

Ok, I have a few questions for you as well. What about us that dont have trucks/jeeps that came factory with a SFA? I cut the IFS out of my truck almost 2 years ago and I think this type of event would be awesome for the other part of the wheelin population that "doest understand the jeep thing" or doesnt want to have to drive a TOY....what I am saying is, some of the rules seem like they are geared mainly toward Jeeps and Toys.......
I would love to have the opportunity to do this kind of event since my truck is still full bodied, but very capable, but I also know it wouldnt be allowed anyway since it has coilovers. I guess I would have to run with the big boys if I want to TRY and compete. Like most of the other guys have said, this is going to be a great opportunity for lots of folks to get in there and actually be able to compete against other people and how they drive, not how well their rig is set up.....
My .02

Brian

Bring your truck to any of the weroc neuroc events and get it awn!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is somthing that I have been wanting to do, but I need to do a few more things to it to make it comp worthy...my wife and I are looking at movin to the Knoxville, TN area, so I would be right in middle of some prime wheelin and comp events....cant wait...

Brian

Rules and entry forms can be found
here (http://imageevent.com/tealj/src)

Otter, the entry loaded fine but the rules had errors during loading?

Looking forward to this event!

Me and a buddy are probably going to enter his 79 CJ7 for this comp, but i have a couple questions i didnt see answered.

I was wondering if we are allowed to swap to axles from a 85 CJ7? Its still a D30/AMC20 combo, but they are wider, is that allowed? We are looking to enter in the Stock class.


Also, this thing is manual steering...are we allowed to convert it to power steering and still qualify for the Stock class?

Stock Rock Challenge has been canceled due to lack to intrest
thanks otter

Stock Rock Challenge has been canceled due to lack to intrest
thanks otter

damn! guess i can take my time finishing my rig now.

chris