whats are the rig rule for running in the sierra track? tire size, wheel base, axle wideness ect?

80" wide MAX. length for shortwheelbase run I think is like
120"..........

--Sherpa

do they measure every rig or what? is there a link to more info?

Originally posted by SHERPA RIG
80" wide MAX. length for shortwheelbase run I think is like
120"..........

--Sherpa

Damn I am almost at 80" wide with stock axles, offset rims and fat TSL's. Guess I won't be making that trip. ;) To many people anyway. :D:D:D

Hey sherpa check your e-mail! :D

well,

on the thursday run last year they were actually measuring with a
tape measure... but, we were a bit* late for the staging and
missed all that fun.... (we were less than 80" anyway...

But, the saturday morning run, there a guy on the other side of
the river actually using a measuring-guage stick contraption....
I couldn't believe it! he was telling us they gotta make darn
sure nobody is wider than 80" cause they won't fit on the run...

HEHEHE, a couple of my SRC buds went thru on a 90" wide
toyota......and it goes over everything!

if they use the tape measure, make sure you're the guy holding
the "dumb-end" of the tape, and just hold it inboard a little bit.

BTW, the Fordyce trail is public land..... everybody I ever saw
that was too wide just waited till the last rig left the staging
area, then went in......... there was about 10 that were too
wide..........

--Sherpa....

I think the 80" width is very old-school........there's a new
wave of fullwidth rigs out there that can and do go on the run
and don't damage vegetation or trees......it's all up to the
driver..

--Sherpa

We just got done modifying the rules, there will be an article in the In Gear shortly.

Maximum Overall Width: 80"
Maximum Body/Hard Flare Width: 71"
Maximum Wheelbase: 122"

With these simplifed rules, all dimensions WILL be checked at staging. There is a new exceptions policy, which will be detailed in the In Gear -- the net effect is to simplify the existing rules and put in place a process for changes in the future.

As long as it is permitted as non-exclusive use, you can always opt to wait for the rule-following folks to depart, and start your trail ride after that. IMHO, that is courtesy, anyway.

Randii

hey tom the add for your yota was gone so is it still for sale mail me when i can come over. storm:trooper:

Originally posted by randii
We just got done modifying the rules, there will be an article in the In Gear shortly.

Maximum Overall Width: 80"
Maximum Body/Hard Flare Width: 71"
Maximum Wheelbase: 122"

With these simplifed rules, all dimensions WILL be checked at staging. There is a new exceptions policy, which will be detailed in the In Gear -- the net effect is to simplify the existing rules and put in place a process for changes in the future.

As long as it is permitted as non-exclusive use, you can always opt to wait for the rule-following folks to depart, and start your trail ride after that. IMHO, that is courtesy, anyway.

Randii

Randii,

thanks for the update.... I mean the "banter" is all in good fun.
I really like the sierra trek run, the volunteer-efforts that make
it great, and the food is definetly 1st rate!

My onlt quam is I am building my rig for not-only sierra trek,
but overall rock climbing/wheeling. I hope Cal4wheel is
keeping options "open" for the run in the future..

Thanks for letting me say that.

--Sherpa

So those of you with Wrangles and for sure TJ's with 35 's on 15X10" wheels are out then so stay home because you are a menace to the trail. I know a TJ with 10" wheels is about 83.5" wide. The funny part is that they can't figure out why the people count is going down. Could it be that we don't all drive old school rigs any more or steped up from the 31's. The only part that gets tight for my 83.750" wide Jeep is winch hill 3

What a crock

Originally posted by 66CJdean
So those of you with Wrangles and for sure TJ's with 35 's on 15X10" wheels are out then so stay home because you are a menace to the trail. I know a TJ with 10" wheels is about 83.5" wide. The funny part is that they can't figure out why the people count is going down. Could it be that we don't all drive old school rigs any more or steped up from the 31's. The only part that gets tight for my 83.750" wide Jeep is winch hill 3

What a crock

I agree. I havent considered attending for the last 3 years because Im at 83".
Winch Hill 3 is a little tight, by I think I widened it this last summer.:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by randii
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Maximum Overall Width: 80"
Maximum Body/Hard Flare Width: 71"
Maximum Wheelbase: 122"



these are stupid rules! i was planning on working on the trail for my first trip too. when were these rules made? in 1960?

Now if you are working the trail the rules don't apply. We run winch hill 4 and none of are rigs that we take up fit their width rule and we don't get flack over it. I blows me away how they accept the crappy little rigs that cause the backups and turn away the rigs that could tow that crap out of there and still catch the next group.

I was planning on going this year. I better go out and measure my EB with 36x12.5's and 9" rims w/3" bs. I'll be really pissed if I'm considered too wide:mad3:

I just measured the EB. I'm at 79.00-79.50" depending on which side lug you measure from. My body is right at 71". That's cutting it close:)

This is why I stay away from most Cal4Wheel events, even though
I'm a member through TDS. Too darn many arbitrary rules.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

I am slightly less than 80", and I can see where one might have trouble. There are a couple of squeeze spots. Where I am rubbing sidewalls on both sides. Especially winch hill #3.

I have not seen anyone wider go through, but I am sure you can. It just makes it more interesting. And the Sierra Trek folks don't want to have to drag anymore rigs out of there than they have to.

4wheeling has evolved a ton in the last few years but Cal4wheel is still spring under and has nothing above 3rd gear. Now with that said here is your chance to help out since Cal4wheel does do alot for us wheelers. Help out on a Cal4wheel event so that you have some say to the rules they stick to. The old goats are slowly stepping down and heading for the hills so thay leaves openings for others to fill that think that the 80" rule sucks. Are club runs winch hill 4 so step up and help out.

There is my soap box speach for the day:flipoff2:

The ruleset noted above is WAY better than previous years, there are fewer rules, and the ones that exist have been relaxed. There's a new process to evaluate exceptions and look at forming new rules... if you are bitching about it then watch the In Gear, read the rules, apply for an exception, and let's work on changing the rules to better reflect reality.

Dean has a good point -- the only way to change is to show up and get involved. I've been doing that for the last few years, and it works. Those of you that just want to :crybaby2::crybaby2::crybaby2: about the rules... well :flipoff:

This is the same principal behind folks who bitch about their politicians but can't get off their asses and go vote. CA4WDC is a representative organization... if you don't like the rules, then step up and lobby for a change. Same goes for Sierra Trek.

Randii

Originally posted by randii
[/I]. Those of you that just want to :crybaby2::crybaby2::crybaby2: about the rules... well :flipoff:

This is the same principal behind folks who bitch about their politicians but can't get off their asses and go vote. CA4WDC is a representative organization... if you don't like the rules, then step up and lobby for a change. Same goes for Sierra Trek.

Randii


This is hardly the same principal as those who dont vote and bitch about their representatives.
Its more like K Mart, if they cant change with the times I just wont shop there. And if they have to do major restructuring or go under, well :flipoff:
I can drive trails any day of the week. If they dont realize there is a changing environment, its not my Job to show up to there runs as a martyr to change their way of thinking.

Originally posted by Rubicrawler
I just measured the EB. I'm at 79.00-79.50" depending on which side lug you measure from. My body is right at 71". That's cutting it close:)

yup with stock cut axles and 38's and 5 inch BS rims i am at 79 inches as well, i have to ditch my rims because i look like a roller stake, i just got my in gear, we too were planing on working the trail, but i will be aroun 83 inchs wide when i am done :( so i might not be going

Originally posted by H8monday

Its more like K Mart, if they cant change with the times I just wont shop there. And if they have to do major restructuring or go under, well :flipoff:
I can drive trails any day of the week.

The difference is you will always have Wal-Mart and Target to shop at. Without Cal4WD you might not have trails to drive on any day of the week.

If you want to run Fordyce the best time to do it is right BEFORE Trek. My club has worked Winch Hill #2 for the past 12 years and I will be honest with you, we pave it. When you are trying to get 100+ vehicles a day through a trail and many are setup with open diffs and stock gears, you have to plan for that. We try to leave a "hard line" and discuss every year how much trail building we should do, and we always end up moving rocks to get people through quickly.

So go through before the official run to experience the true difficulty of Fordyce, then come back for Trek to check out all of the other rigs and support the organization. That is what I do because I think that it is a good cause.

I agree quite a bit with Dirty Harry.

This is hardly the same principal as those who dont vote and bitch about their representatives.... Its more like K Mart, if they cant change with the times I just wont shop there.
That's an OK analogy, too -- let's develop it: I wish people who didn't want to shop at K-Mart would bitch less about how crowded K-Mart's driveway is when the blue light is flashing. :D

Trek is only one weekend a year. If you are going to bitch about the rules and crowds then don't un that weekend. If you are coming for the party, then don't :crybaby2:

Frankly, running the trail during Trek is one of the worst times to run the trail, from an enjoyment perspective (too crowded, too paved). I run off-weekends when I want to enjoy the trail. When I want to enjoy the socializing, partying, and vendors, I go to Trek.

Randii

Thats really all Im trying to say.
If they dont want me out there with my rig, Ill just run the trails at other times. it doesnt mean that much to me, to come out there and fight for my right to run the trail with an 83" WB. However if they didnt have the lame restrictions, I would probably run it.
Maybe Ill see if one of the clubs needs help at the winch hills.

I do other sanctioned runs like Fun In the Desert out at JV, and they seem to know what its all about out there, without the ridiculouse restrictions.

Sunday night at my local 4x4 club meeting the topic of the sierra trek and Pirates of the Rubicon came up.
3 of the members went to the Cal 4 north district meeting recently and the rumor around the room was that the 80" width rule was to keep the POR out. They also said that POR are not members of Cal4 and they frequently crash cal4 events the most resent being one of the big cal4 runs(forgot the name) where the POR group cut in front of everyone and proceeded to get stuck in the snow and held up everyone for 4 hours.

The guys from my club said they wheeled with the POR guys last summer on the fordyce trail and thought they were all cool. Then the rest of the table then ignored my club members for the rest of the day.

What's the truth?

I can clear this up -- I was at the Sierra Trek meeting where the decision was made, and I, personally, have been driving the effort to change the vehicle rules for registration. I won't presume to speak for the North District, but these rule changes had NOTHING to do with any club in particular. Any rumors otherwise are hogwash.

I hate rumors -- IMHO, it is a sign of personal laziness to propagate them without checking the facts. Kudos, teabag, for at least asking.

Some members of CA4WDA do have personal problems with the Pirates, and vice versa... ill will exists on both sides. That sucks, but the biggest thing you can do to combat this is ask for specifics whenever you hear any rumors. Few of these rumor/stories can stand up to close inspection... and in every instance I have personally asked after, the ill will sprang from an individual member and was not a formal organization-wide opinion.

IMHO, that's another thread -- this one is about Trek.

Randii

Originally posted by teabag
Sunday night at my local 4x4 club meeting the topic of the sierra trek and Pirates of the Rubicon came up.
3 of the members went to the Cal 4 north district meeting recently and the rumor around the room was that the 80" width rule was to keep the POR out. They also said that POR are not members of Cal4 and they frequently crash cal4 events the most resent being one of the big cal4 runs(forgot the name) where the POR group cut in front of everyone and proceeded to get stuck in the snow and held up everyone for 4 hours.

The guys from my club said they wheeled with the POR guys last summer on the fordyce trail and thought they were all cool. Then the rest of the table then ignored my club members for the rest of the day.

What's the truth?

Sounds like BS to me.
I'd be surprised any of the POR members were even at Winter Fun Fest.
And I even further doubt that they'd end up stuck in the snow for 4 hours! :laughing: