Hi all, Del Albright here. FOTR Trail Boss. As to the Poop Plan, here's where I think we are (and I do appreicate reading all your comments here. First, as many of you mentioned, we have to accept the reality that we must fix this problem or our trail will be in jeopardy of more restrictions, scrutiny and possible closures. Second, WE have to set the example and exert some peer pressure. Yea, us. Brian G told you that we're looking at 75,000 pounds of stuff in one season. That's a LOT. On the short term, we (POR and FOTR) have to start packing it out to show it can be done. Chris Collard, Cal4 has volunteered to be the Poop Master and put together a test group and do some monitoring of the reality of packing it out. He needs your feedback and/or involvement in the test this summer. But I still say we ALL should just start doing it (Pack It Out). I'm going to try the ammo can thing or just hold it. :)
Third, we need to count. Rusty Folena has volunteered to help with getting a more accurate user count along with Chris (and Dana Holland's work as the Gatekeeper). We're going to pull this together so we have one guy as the central point of contact and coordinator of all these efforts.
Fourth, we need to spread the word to our clubs and friends. Start packing it out. Document problems and get them to me (even other trails that you use). Document solutions that seem to be working (again, even on other trails).
Well, that's it for now. Feel free to email me if you have some ideas or input. Thanks, Del

Thanks Del. Our club (RPS) has already offered to donate time for the count. We are also going to come up with a porta-crapper and containment system which we'll write up on our website. The word is getting out, and you're right, let's keep up the push to spread it further.

One good thing I see here is we could be setting a very impressive example here. One that we took on ourselves. Can you immagine the reaction of the greenies if they are the one's that actually respond to and adopt low impact camping practices developed and adopted by the 4x4 community? Nice. :D I know hikers and rafters have been doing this for years, but now we can adapt a system with a vehicle. Is it just me, or do you guys smell a marketing idea here (pun intended).

Here is a plan I'm working on with the guys and gals over at 4X4STUFF.COM and (RCRC
We'er designing a 4x4 crapper the "RUBICAN"!

Yup, YOUR club should think hard about it tooo.

Heres the way it will work, in theory, anytime one of our club members heads to the trail, thay'll be encouraged to take the "RUBICAN" in with em, with a special tent for privacy. Once set up, for a donation of $1 ANYONE can use the "RCRC RUBICAN" and RCRC will haul it out and be responsibel for disposal.

what could be easier than that ?? would you donate a buck to keep your crap of the trail??

I think in the very near future, if your out there and your camp don't have a crapper and privacy tent or something, the pressure is gonna be on ya! It probably won't be long before you'll get a ticket for not having one!!

Hmmm.. Just had a baby. I have to change buttloads of diapers :D every day. Have any of you seen the Diaper Genies? These things are awesome! Now, the implementation would take some work, but I imagine with enough thought, that you could come up with some sort of port-a-potty that implements the Diaper Genie refills and methodology for "sealing the flavor in." One refill canister costs $4 and almost completely voids the aromas. I would think this would be more deisrable than reopening and reusing a different kind of container.

Secondly, I used to work for a major Airline. You know the "Blue Water"? The blue stuff is a biological agent that neutralizes the odor, helps break down the waste, and is biologically and environmentally friendly. You dont want to eat this stuff, but it is EPA approved so that you can pour the raw sewage ("dirty" blue water) straight into the storm sewers. No kill no fishies.

Just a couple of ideas for waste containment.

Originally posted by Chister
Hmmm.. Just had a baby. I have to change buttloads of diapers :D every day. Have any of you seen the Diaper Genies? These things are awesome! Now, the implementation would take some work, but I imagine with enough thought, that you could come up with some sort of port-a-potty that implements the Diaper Genie refills and methodology for "sealing the flavor in." One refill canister costs $4 and almost completely voids the aromas. I would think this would be more deisrable than reopening and reusing a different kind of container.


MMMMMMM That's exactly what I was thinking too. Great idea!

Why not just wear dipers when wheeling on the Con??:rasta: :D:D:D

Let me know what the Axle Snapppers can do from down south :D


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Originally posted by TANKOMA
Why not just wear dipers when wheeling on the Con??:rasta: :D:D:D

That's what I was thinking. Brings a whole to meaning to Pucker Factor. Just let em go. "Whoops I crapped my pants"

SeanP

Originally posted by SeanP


"Whoops I crapped my pants"

SeanP


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Youd have to wonder, what was really going on, when a guy had that seriouse concentration look, before attempting a technical climb."Is he concentrating"?,mmm, "no, I think he's just taking a dump"!

Do you guys think Depends will come out with an off road version? Mabe 4wheel parts can retail 'em. :D

I like the diaper gene idea. I just threw one in the garbage yesterday, gotta dig it back out!

:D you guys are killing me! :D For more confidence off road, try the new snugger fitting 4x4 Depends. Guaranteed not to leak in case of rollover! :D

For dog owners they have a plastic container you place in your backyard and dispose of the waste there. Then every other week you pour some of this digester concentrate in and it dissolves the waste and is absorbed by the ground that supposedly does not harm the environment. Why couldn't something like that be used in a out house, once a week add the enzymes to break down the waste.

I have one of these. It called a Doggie Dooley.
http://www.uniquedistributors.com/doggiedooley.html

why not port-o-johns that are custom built to look like rocks
like the stuff that they have at the zoo

and then a tubeframed, 2.5 ton, big boggered, honeybucket truck
I bet you would have guys fightin to get that summer job

want full time turdmoblie driver
this job stinks but you can wheel all day
:D

Originally posted by H8monday



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Youd have to wonder, what was really going on, when a guy had that seriouse concentration look, before attempting a technical climb."Is he concentrating"?,mmm, "no, I think he's just taking a dump"!

that, my friend, is some funny sh*t.

So I guess permanent concrete outhouses are out of the question?

Originally posted by Bob/CA
So I guess permanent concrete outhouses are out of the question?

My understanding of the issue is that the granite terrain up there doesn't make for good pit toilets. All of the "sludge" drains thru what little soil there is, directly in to creeks that feed Loon and SPider Lakes. The sludge doesn't have time to decompose and causes fecal contamination in the water source and this disturbs the whole ecosystem up there (algae, killing fish, ecoli etc.)

I have no problem toting my poop out. It will just go into the garbage bags with the rest of the trash. Umm, that would be outside of the cab of course!

SeanP