: Any way to change a 14 bolt 8 lug to 6 lug?


penguin
12-02-2004, 02:51 AM
I have a 14 bolt 8 lug rearend under my truck, but I really need a 6 lug set up for a set of wheels and tires i picked up. I want the strength of the 14bolt but with a 6 lug wheel pattern, Any way to change outters or what? Thanks

Shaggygto
12-02-2004, 06:24 AM
I think there is some info from Scott@RockStomper in this thread.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169990&highlight=5x5.5

mj
12-02-2004, 06:45 PM
basically no
you could machine the hubs and make it a 6 bolt but then you still have to bore the rims to fit the hub
just get new rims

SinisterTaco
12-02-2004, 06:51 PM
I have a 14 bolt 8 lug rearend under my truck, but I really need a 6 lug set up for a set of wheels and tires i picked up. I want the strength of the 14bolt but with a 6 lug wheel pattern, Any way to change outters or what? Thanks

Convert to disc brakes, no?

mistertrustee
12-03-2004, 12:07 AM
I have a 14 bolt 8 lug rearend under my truck, but I really need a 6 lug set up for a set of wheels and tires i picked up. I want the strength of the 14bolt but with a 6 lug wheel pattern, Any way to change outters or what? Thanks

Grady's Offroad does it for about $250 per hub. You might give them a call if you have the $$$$$$$ http://www.gradysoffroad.com/welcome.html

rhuarc31
12-03-2004, 08:17 AM
Do the disk brake conversion and get 6 lug rotors instead of 8 lug.

willyswanter
12-03-2004, 08:52 AM
Do the disk brake conversion and get 6 lug rotors instead of 8 lug.

And do what? Weld them to the 8 lug hub? :flipoff2:

You can re-drill the hub and turn it down so it fits through a 6 lug rim but the re-drilling will definately weaken it...

6.2Blazer
12-03-2004, 01:30 PM
And do what? Weld them to the 8 lug hub? :flipoff2:

You can re-drill the hub and turn it down so it fits through a 6 lug rim but the re-drilling will definately weaken it...

I heard JB Weld would work.......

Didn't know converting to disc brakes magically changed the bolt pattern :D

heavytlc
12-03-2004, 05:15 PM
I now have this image in 3 posts, great. Left is stock 14 bolt, right is custom 14bolt wms moved back(makes it about 60") 6lug, it will except stock bearings, and shafts. You would have to unbolt the shafts to remove the wheel, or turn down the shaft flange, and use reduced head cap screws. Lots of people sale them, I do not, but they are not to hard to make.

heavytlc
12-03-2004, 05:17 PM
And yes they will fit any stock 6 lug wheel I have. The hub is 4.180

mj
12-03-2004, 08:44 PM
so who has a factory 6 lug rally wheel to measure the hub size requirement?
IIRC aftermarkets are larger opening then factory

heavytlc
12-03-2004, 10:42 PM
I am not trying to be an ass. I have no stock chevrolet wheels. All my chevys are dana60/14bolt, and all the wheels I have are aftermarket, or toyota. I never saw any mention of ralley wheels in the original post.

1981k20
12-05-2004, 04:10 PM
Chevy did make a 6 lug semi-floating 14 bolt.....

mj
12-05-2004, 05:45 PM
the semi float is not even close to being a 14ff

1981k20
12-05-2004, 06:07 PM
the semi float is not even close to being a 14ff

Really??? Quite the intelligent post there mj. No one said it was, including me. I was just saying that Chev made a 6 lug 14b SEMI-FLOAT so the guy knew his options (not saying he didn't already know this...). Depending on penguin's type of wheeling and tire size the semi-float MIGHT work for him.

mj
12-05-2004, 07:11 PM
I would not recommend a semifloat axle to any truck or 4x4
I do not even like semifloat axles in cars

it would be stupid to go backwards just to try and save a few bucks on rims.
so i guess I am saying I do not think your post had too much intelligence in it either.

heavytlc
12-06-2004, 08:07 AM
I stand corrected. 4.167 This is the front of the hub. Anything is possible with the right tools, but it would be better for many reasons to use 8lug hubs. The wall thickness gets a little close at the shaft flange. You would have to convert the front, if you ever go to a dana60 front. The rear would have to go to disks, no big deal, but I have disks on my 1ton k5 w/ 14 bolt, and drums on my ton military truck, and both work great for what I use them for. The front 60 conversion is bolt on, with caliper stands, and a 6lug remachined hub, if you stay 10bolt front none of this is needed, but then it is a waste IMHO to run the 14bolt rear.http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=160983&stc=1 http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=160984&stc=1

BTW I stay out of this forum, and get most of my chevy reading on Ck5. I never knew this was where the trolls hung out... Come awn bring the tech!!!

mj
12-06-2004, 07:58 PM
any images of the shafts for that?
it looks like the bolt head would be protruding

still boils down to more effort then it is worth IMO
go 8 lug and be done

heavytlc
12-07-2004, 12:28 AM
I have a 14 bolt 8 lug rearend under my truck, but I really need a 6 lug set up for a set of wheels and tires i picked up. I want the strength of the 14bolt but with a 6 lug wheel pattern, Any way to change outters or what? Thanks


How do you not feel like a troll mj? The guy asked if it could be done. I show a pic of it being done, and all you can say is blah,blah,blah.... STFU
Yes it is alot of work, yes the allen head cap screws have to be turned down for it to work, yes the axle shaft flange has to be turned down, yes I agree it is not worth the effort, but what the fawk have you done?
I must admit you have annoyed me more than anyone else on pirate has ever. You belong on my ignore list, and I am sorry if you do not like it. WTF can you bring???

heavytlc
12-07-2004, 12:44 AM
I was going to edit, but I am not like that. I may be way off base, but all your posts are the same. I get the feeling 1, either I am way wrong, or 2, lots of other people feel the same way. I got rubbed the wrong way, and I am sure your tits are not big enough for me to like any way you rub me.

dumass
12-07-2004, 03:47 PM
SMACK :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

mj
12-08-2004, 09:08 PM
lol
thats all you got?

a lot of stupid ideas are possible, a 6 lug 14ff is one of them
I do not care if that makes you cry

what front dif are you going to run with your 6 lug 14ff? toyota?

http://www3.telus.net/mccormack/tpolish.jpg

Fawk Awph
12-08-2004, 10:41 PM
with longfields the toyota axle is right at par with a D60, so whats wrong with a toy axle?

Callen

mj
12-08-2004, 10:48 PM
sure it is

6.2Blazer
12-09-2004, 09:01 AM
with longfields the toyota axle is right at par with a D60, so whats wrong with a toy axle?

Callen

A beefed Toy axle is pretty good for it's intended application, but I'm not sure about calling it equal to a Dana 60?? My buddy just grenaded an inner shaft and the Detroit in his front Toy axle (longfields, 5.29 gears, FJ60 high pinion center section) in a relatively slight pickup with the 4-banger and stock t-case................

Fawk Awph
12-09-2004, 03:25 PM
anyway, im decided that 8 lug is the way to go. ill just try and find some 8 lug outters for my D44 and grab a 14 bolt from my dads buddy in the next week or so.

Callen

heavytlc
12-09-2004, 11:01 PM
I will be the first to admit that I am an asshole. The rear hubs were made to narrow a 14bolt, to match a narrowed dana60 front. The motivating factor were the 4 sets(5-15x12's,5-15x8's, 4-15x10's,4-17x9) of 6lug beadlock wheels, and atleast 2sets of tires for each. If I did not have military takeouts with 4.56's, and a detroit in the 14bolt, I would build a 60rear, but I am attempting to use some of the stuff I have. The bigest problem with the super narrow 14bolt is the fact that the hub is so far out, but not a problem for weekend wheeling. I am all about 8 lug axles, and the new truck I am building is running fullwidth 60/14bolts. The build up is in the landcruiser forum, but other than the frame, and tub it is all chevy.

Fawk Awph
12-10-2004, 01:28 AM
wait, i just found another outlet!!!

im going to 6-lug a 14 bolt. i found an awesome thread about it, and i think i could get the machine work done real cheap or free. after all is said and done i shouldnt have more than about $400 into a disced, 6lug FF 14. that is without gears of course. but then ill just get some 5.13s, and well the carrier up real tight. thats about $700 linclon locked, geared, disced, and 6-lug all together!!!

get back with this project when i have the money.

Callen