http://www.dandcextreme.com/buildups_projectday.asp?pkID=1&dayID=45



seems like you want atleast another bar in the back for lateral strength to protect the back passengers?

Not knocking it, I just want some real world feedback - my two kids will be back there. I fab my own stuff but I don't have a bender and even if I did I'd want to get real comfortable with it before building my own cage so just researching my options.

I modified (gussets & more crossbars) this one when I got it from Joel.

This is after I pulled it out & welded everything together.

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/Cage-3.gif

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/Cage-Gusseted.gif

EDIT: Here are some pics of my recent update/conversion to full cage (was done over the last year)

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/cage/IMG_0781.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/cage/IMG_0784.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/cage/IMG_0786.jpg
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/cage/IMG_0779.jpg

Got rid of the bulkhead as well...
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/IMG_1320.jpg

http://www.dandcextreme.com/buildups_projectday.asp?pkID=1&dayID=45



seems like you want atleast another bar in the back for lateral strength to protect the back passengers?

Not knocking it, I just want some real world feedback - my two kids will be back there. I fab my own stuff but I don't have a bender and even if I did I'd want to get real comfortable with it before building my own cage so just researching my options.


I'm in the same boat. I have this cage from DandC,just haven't installed it yet.My brother has a bender,so I plan on adding a few more bars to further protect my kids.

here is mine, wouldn't work with backseat passengers though. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140787

I modified (gussets & more crossbars) this one when I got it from Joel.

This is after I pulled it out & welded everything together.
http://beer.thisdysfunctional.org/kids/Scout-Work/Cage_Gusseted.gif


yea, I saw the threads on it - looks good!

What's he plannin on doing?

Our Scout II cage kit has been tested by a big Scout I call TC (project 2). Here's the roll over in Moab
http://www.dandcextreme.com/upload/chadroll.gif
This cage recieved no damage (other than scratched paint and a ripped bikini-top).

If you want more strength, gussets (like the ones pictured/mentioned) are a terriffic idea. As far as the bar across the back ~ that is included in the family package (+$25).

I also suggest door bars and atari-bars/CB bars to help give more structure to the top.

I didn't see the "family" package. Are many of the cages you build DOM? Got a good pic of an 80 with all the goodies on it? The pics on yours site aren't clickable and I don't think I have seen any with the rear bar at all?

So if I order one can you bring it out to hollister when you come? ;)

http://www.dandcextreme.com/gallery.asp

click on "Austin"

Here's Austin ~ didn't have a family bar going side to side, but if you have enough imagination, should be able to see where it'd go.
http://www.dandcextreme.com/images/galleryimages/gal1a.jpg
http://www.dandcextreme.com/images/galleryimages/gal1b.jpg

right at the bend? Straight bar?

Wherever you want it ~ I can even make those bends higher.

I didn't see the "family" package. Are many of the cages you build DOM? Got a good pic of an 80 with all the goodies on it? The pics on yours site aren't clickable and I don't think I have seen any with the rear bar at all?

So if I order one can you bring it out to hollister when you come? ;)


I can't wait till Hollister, well, to break my stuff in Hollister

Here are some pics of mine.

http://www.c4x4.com/tech/projects/oldscout/bodyinterior/rollcage/20.jpg
http://www.c4x4.com/tech/projects/oldscout/bodyinterior/rollcage/21.jpg

I have the basic family cage with atari bars. I added the cross bar at the back hoops, the dash bar, and all the seat mount stuff.

If I would do it again, I would have had the rear bars bent higher and further back to add more coverage (actually, higher coverage) for the rear passengers. I do like the fast back look though.

The basic cage from D and C was a great base to work from since I did not have the dies to bend the size tubing I wanted OR the skill to get it right. I was up to the task of the seat bases though.

Here are some pics of mine.

http://www.c4x4.com/tech/projects/oldscout/bodyinterior/rollcage/20.jpg
http://www.c4x4.com/tech/projects/oldscout/bodyinterior/rollcage/21.jpg

I have the basic family cage with atari bars. I added the cross bar at the back hoops, the dash bar, and all the seat mount stuff.

If I would do it again, I would have had the rear bars bent higher and further back to add more coverage (actually, higher coverage) for the rear passengers. I do like the fast back look though.

The basic cage from D and C was a great base to work from since I did not have the dies to bend the size tubing I wanted OR the skill to get it right. I was up to the task of the seat bases though.

Your cage is the reason I was looking at D&C ;)

Very nice!

Your cage is the reason I was looking at D&C ;)

Very nice!

Same here!

One of the best looking 800's I have ever seen....nice rig MTROY!

One of the best looking 800's I have ever seen....nice rig MTROY!

:)

Why, thank you...thank you very much. The build up pages are getting an update. There is a bunch of stuff I have completed that is not on there...winch, etc., but there is a good shot on the cover of the current mag.

It is getting hydro assist steering at the moment.

Very nice.

any other cages? S2 cages as well..

thx
B

Any reason a big ol hoop on top with separate bars to the ground at the back, dash, and in the middle would be bad?

This is what I did to this cage....This is BEN W the previous owner as stated above:

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=140787

It is a great layout for the 80/800. Both Ben and I are 6' and above and I have no complaints for space. As mentioned it was not backseat friendly as the bulkhead was still in place (1961).

So I did the following to make it a 3 seater so I could take my two little boys...I don't have a wife :laughing: :flipoff2: This layout could also work for a bench style rear seat with some creativity.

I will be adding some rock sliders this spring/summer...

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage002s.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage003s.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage004s.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage006s.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage007s.jpg

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage009s.jpg

I really like it...

do you fid those bars in front of your windshield to block view or anything bad for driving on the road? I do like what ya did, having those two bars and ADDING just provides more support and makes it a bit more rigid.

Heres one with the rear seat in mind...

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage006s.jpg


OMG.. those are floating NODES in the dash bar! Bonus points for the triangle, but.. those tubes are going.. :gasp: NOWHERE.

Dontcha know that's a death trap? You can't have dead-end nodes, and everything has to be a triangle! :flipoff2:

:rolleyes:

Do your new B-bars go down to the frame, or just hoop under the rear seat?

You gotta be fawkin' kidding me! That cage, to me, appears to have better than adequate structural integrity, well balanced, clean. I would lose the window bracing and the spreader in the bed for passengers, but it ain't my cage. Wish it was...........just taking notes.:smokin:

Untested so far (Yet to be wheeled, actually.)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout80010.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout80011.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout80007.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout80006.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y257/Fryloc/scout80001.jpg

It is all tied to the frame.

Looking at some of these pics, besides binderbound , I have not seen too many 80 and 800 series try to keep their half-cabs when building tube cages.
I've been pondering this problem since I love having the half cab during the winter months and removing it during the summer heat.
The ability to lower the windshield would be great to retain.
I have a complete hard top, but have left it in the backyard for the last 5 years, (too big and heavy).
I'm still looking around to see if anybody did a in-cab kit, yet have removable sections that tie in to the rear cage.............

Looking at some of these pics, besides binderbound , I have not seen too many 80 and 800 series try to keep their half-cabs when building tube cages.
I've been pondering this problem since I love having the half cab during the winter months and removing it during the summer heat.
The ability to lower the windshield would be great to retain.
I have a complete hard top, but have left it in the backyard for the last 5 years, (too big and heavy).
I'm still looking around to see if anybody did a in-cab kit, yet have removable sections that tie in to the rear cage.............

I'm not sure but I think mine might look goofy without the half cab underneath. Up here, a windshield is a must for me. I hate being slapped in the face by branches or rocks that somebody in front of me kicked up. I need to add door bars still. I'll hole saw through the bulkhead and join the outer hoop. I have seen some trick tube joints in desert fab shops. They use them on parts of the chassi that get mangled a lot. When it gets bent, unbolt it bolt on a new part.

I have seen some trick tube joints in desert fab shops. They use them on parts of the chassi that get mangled a lot. When it gets bent, unbolt it bolt on a new part.


aka spring bushings ;)

do you fid those bars in front of your windshield to block view or anything bad for driving on the road? I do like what ya did, having those two bars and ADDING just provides more support and makes it a bit more rigid.

Nope...Nothing bad as far as street driving...they are only one inch HREW. They are very unobstructive to view.

OMG.. those are floating NODES in the dash bar! Bonus points for the triangle, but.. those tubes are going.. :gasp: NOWHERE.
Dontcha know that's a death trap? You can't have dead-end nodes, and everything has to be a triangle!
Do your new B-bars go down to the frame, or just hoop under the rear seat?

Ha Ha Ha Ha...Tom you are the first one to point that out...so for you a COOKIE!!!! I would love to add in a dash/center tube housing for raising the shifter closer to me and to put more nifty switches in. Unfortunately I also Like to be able to still remove the tunnel cover and have top side access.

As for the B-pillar...it goes to the wheel well where it is bolted to a lower plate. That plate then has tube which runs to the frame. The A-pillar runs to the body mount channel, and the C-pillar just bolts to the sheet metal with a lower plate.

You gotta be fawkin' kidding me! That cage, to me, appears to have better than adequate structural integrity, well balanced, clean. I would lose the window bracing and the spreader in the bed for passengers, but it ain't my cage. Wish it was...........just taking notes.

Ohhhh Tom was just being a sarcastic bitch...

The spreader in the rear that across the rig by the fuel cell??? Unfortunately there was no where to tie in the harness mount. That is the funky thing about building a cage in a rig. You have an "IDEA" of what you want it to look like, but like an artistic creation it evolves and changes during the creation...

Like I really didn't want to use up so much space to "HANG" the rear 3rd seat. If you look at the seat it is suspended in air. There is no sheetmetal contact. It was the only way to cleanly mount the seat and have it be a "part" of the cage like the front seats are.

Like you I am always taking notes...

Ha Ha Ha Ha...Tom you are the first one to point that out...so for you a COOKIE!!!! I would love to add in a dash/center tube housing for raising the shifter closer to me and to put more nifty switches in. Unfortunately I also Like to be able to still remove the tunnel cover and have top side access.


I've been trying to figure out how a guy might come up from the frame rail all the way up to the top center of the A-hoop, without making it overly awkward to drive. That would be the ideal situation for a windshield type bar, but it's often pretty impractical.


As for the B-pillar...it goes to the wheel well where it is bolted to a lower plate. That plate then has tube which runs to the frame. The A-pillar runs to the body mount channel, and the C-pillar just bolts to the sheet metal with a lower plate.


I was thinking about your "seat basket" for the rear seat. Looks like it'd be pretty easy to add two holes in the floor and new "body mount" like structures off the frame and tie almost straight up and into the bottom/sides of your 3rd seat basket.

Usually the problem is you don't want tube running into the middle of a flat cargo deck.. but you already have the seat basket there. Add two stand-offs to the frame, and now when you roll you'll have two almost straights shots of tube transferring force from the top corners straight down into the frame via the seat-basket.


Ohhhh Tom was just being a sarcastic bitch...


I'm surprised the web-wheelers didn't come out of the woodwork to chew you out for those dead-end nodes! Gack! They're probably too busy having seizures to actually type.. :P

Every cage should resemble a jungle gym, and be almost impossible to get in or out of. Anything less is a death trap and will collapse and kill you.

(and for those that still don't get it, remember I'm the guy that always pulls out the pictures of the Spirit that rolled.. with a "wimpy, not tied to frame, completely unsafe" factory 4pt rollbar bolted to the body.. that survived a 65mph roll and kept DiamondDave alive)


The spreader in the rear that across the rig by the fuel cell??? Unfortunately there was no where to tie in the harness mount.


I've had numerous day-dream struggles trying to figure out how to get some of the benefits of a "back-bar" for the front seats, while still providing access to the rear.

At least in an 800 you already lose a bunch of that "get to the rear seat" access from the fenders/bulkhead area.

Would a traditional "back-bar" with the center cut out be strong enough to mount the harnesses to? Hrrmm.. You'd lose the "keep the sides from folding in" benefit, but it's probably not necessary for most of us anyhow.

(Remember when a guy with a 6pt cage, no gussets, no Xs, no seats tied to the cage, no frame tie in, no back bar... was considered "overkill"?)

I've had numerous day-dream struggles trying to figure out how to get some of the benefits of a "back-bar" for the front seats, while still providing access to the rear.

At least in an 800 you already lose a bunch of that "get to the rear seat" access from the fenders/bulkhead area.

Would a traditional "back-bar" with the center cut out be strong enough to mount the harnesses to? Hrrmm.. You'd lose the "keep the sides from folding in" benefit, but it's probably not necessary for most of us anyhow.

(Remember when a guy with a 6pt cage, no gussets, no Xs, no seats tied to the cage, no frame tie in, no back bar... was considered "overkill"?)

Yeah...that is one reason I drifted torwards the "basket" style of mount for the rear seat. For then I could tie in my front seat harness location for the Y strap.

In this pic you can see where the bolting location is....look near the center back of the passenger seat.

http://home.comcast.net/~pressfit/scoutcage007s.jpg

Yeah...that is one reason I drifted torwards the "basket" style of mount for the rear seat. For then I could tie in my front seat harness location for the Y strap.

In this pic you can see where the bolting location is....look near the center back of the passenger seat.


I missed the bolt through the seat-basket the first time. Ah-hah. :D I kept looking at the driver's seat, and couldn't really tell.

BTW, I do dig the basket seat. A shame to lose the room, but cool nonetheless.

aka spring bushings ;)
Right:rolleyes:

I think the herbst brothers would laugh at their chassi builder if they used spring bushings to hold important parts of their cage together.I don't think that would even be legal in the trophy class.

If I have time I'll build one and show you.

it's not the bushing that holds it, that is what I have seen used for every removable cage part I have ever seen. I'd like to see what it is your talking about then..

it's not the bushing that holds it, that is what I have seen used for every removable cage part I have ever seen. I'd like to see what it is your talking about then..
No shit sherlock,I think we all knew that.:flipoff2:

For 2 inch tube picture a 2"piece of solid round stock about 6"long.turn each end down so it fits the ID of the tube.now cut it in half.now machine it in half, long ways right up to the part you turned down.looks like an 'L' now.take 1 half and drill and tap the flat spot for 3/8 bolts,but don't go all the way through.now drill the other side all the way through to match your 3/8 patern.counter sink the curved side of the through holes.bolt it together.it should look like another piece of tube with a few bolt heads.almost unoticeable,ridged,and strong.

That's how my stinger and rear bumper are gonna be attached.

(Remember when a guy with a 6pt cage, no gussets, no Xs, no seats tied to the cage, no frame tie in, no back bar... was considered "overkill"?)

Busted out laughing when I read this.

Nice cage HOS:smokin:

I mentioned earlier about tubing just the half cab......
.....after searching a little more, I could only find this pic.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/stuff/dylshalfcabandcage.jpg

I guess I'll have to do a cage inside the 1/2 cab, and then use a removable section to tie into a rear cage...

BACK FROM THE DEAD............ :flipoff2:

Here you go ya bitches.... interior roll bar for a Scout 80 half cab...:smokin:

Still in the works... don't judge too fast:flipoff2:

Door openings... 2"x.120" dom
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130027.jpg

Floor mount plates... 1/4" thick
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130029.jpg

Fitment...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130035.jpg

Seat back bar... 1 1/2" dom
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130038.jpg

Dash bar... 1 3/4" dom
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130042.jpg

Front top brow... 1 3/4"
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130044.jpg

Tacked together...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130049.jpg

More tubing to come... with gussets... and yet still have to buy some seats

I'll be building a cage for an 800 soon and was wondering why three sizes of tube? I've got a bender for 2" and 1 1/2" but you also used 1 3/4"?

BACK FROM THE DEAD............ :flipoff2:

Here you go ya bitches.... interior roll bar for a Scout 80 half cab...:smokin:

Still in the works... don't judge too fast:flipoff2:



Looks almost exactlly like mine, must be why i like it so much:smokin:
:flipoff2:

Use the tubing gussets, vendor Copperhead fab (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7869687)sell them cheap. Or make your own for one off stuff, they are much better than a flat gussets that can punch into the steel tube.

Looks good.:smokin: Just my 3 cents, I like to put padding on mine just in case you wack your body parts on it, it won't ruin your day.

.89 cents for 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" tube plus enter "Pirate" for even more of a discount http://copperheadfab.com/index.php?action=productview&productid=180
http://copperheadfab.com/images/products/180gusset2.JPG

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5130049.jpg
:smokin:-design man. I love it.


More tubing to come... with gussets... and yet still have to buy some seats
With the type of bender that was used, gusseting is critical. And if you need some Corbeau seats, let me know. I'll hook you up.

Looks like it fit's pretty tight in there.

Are all the bronco's getting envious?

I'll be building a cage for an 800 soon and was wondering why three sizes of tube? I've got a bender for 2" and 1 1/2" but you also used 1 3/4"?

The 2" for all the main bars, 1.5" because of the seat position and room, 1.75" for the clearance of the dash and wiper motors.
... I need to keep as much personal space I can.

Use the tubing gussets
Thanks for the link, money is tight right now... and I havn't bought any gussets yet.

:smokin:-design man. I love it.
With the type of bender that was used, gusseting is critical.
...yea I didn't have a mandrel bender in my back pocket...:homer:

Looks like it fit's pretty tight in there.
Are all the bronco's getting envious?
Actually the shop works on early Bronco's alot.... MP's Custom Rides

I have to make sure that a "Bronco" emblem doesnt jokingly get stuck on my scout.


More pics as time progresses..... :flipoff2:

Use the tubing gussets, vendor Copperhead fab (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7869687)sell them cheap. Or make your own for one off stuff, they are much better than a flat gussets that can punch into the steel tube.

Looks good.:smokin: Just my 3 cents, I like to put padding on mine just in case you wack your body parts on it, it won't ruin your day.

.89 cents for 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" tube plus enter "Pirate" for even more of a discount http://copperheadfab.com/index.php?action=productview&productid=180
http://copperheadfab.com/images/products/180gusset2.JPG

Those gussets look cool -- and they would cover up my horrible notch work and bad welds.... Hmmm, maybe I shouldn't get them just for that reason. Covering up shitty work in a roll cage is probably not a good idea.

Or make your own for one off stuff, they are much better than a flat gussets that can punch into the steel tube.


Just use two plates, one inside, one outside edge of the tube, and avoid the whole punching problem.

If you want to be really cool, take some flat bar and fit it into the gap and box the whole thing in when you're done.

All the cool kids build everything out of flat plate and spend months fabricating a gusset, instead of just buying a pre-fab tube gusset. :D

here is a few at first, second, and most recent build. last on is pretty tuff. its taken at couple high speed grinds

.
Here's a few more, still need 2 spreader bars( probably hang the CB & dome light between em ), door side bars, seat x-over bars, passenger O-shit handle, and gussets...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5140011.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5150008.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5150003.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5150005.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5150011.jpg

Scout254 that there is some good looking tube work:smokin:

Use the tubing gussets, vendor Copperhead fab (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7869687)sell them cheap. Or make your own for one off stuff, they are much better than a flat gussets that can punch into the steel tube.

Looks good.:smokin: Just my 3 cents, I like to put padding on mine just in case you wack your body parts on it, it won't ruin your day.

.89 cents for 1 1/2" to 1 3/4" tube plus enter "Pirate" for even more of a discount http://copperheadfab.com/index.php?action=productview&productid=180
http://copperheadfab.com/images/products/180gusset2.JPG

Cool idea, I wonder how they would work on 2" ...

.
Added some spreader bars, and worked on the CB mount...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5250095.jpg

Still need to install the dome lamps...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5250099.jpg

Work in progress...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5250090.jpg

.
Added some spreader bars, and worked on the CB mount...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5250095.jpg


Is that an old Royce CB?

Looks like a Uniden.

http://radioproshop.com/unidencb/images/PC68XL.jpg

Cobra 29 WX NW ST

NightWatch, Sound Traeker, & weather channels :D

Pulled and tugged and popped the cage out of the scout cab....:nuke: Then fully welded around all the connections... & trimmed the feet down a little bit, to make it easier to put back in ! :homer:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5270002.jpg

Plated the middle spreaders...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5310012.jpg

Finished off the removable panels...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P5310024.jpg

clean cage

Cobra 29 WX NW ST

NightWatch, Sound Traeker, & weather channels :D

Soundtracker sucks, I should have listened to everyone who told me so. I left ST off just about all the time.

Soundtracker sucks, I should have listened to everyone who told me so. I left ST off just about all the time.

CB sucks.... I just can't get anyone else around here to get their Tech license, so I'm forced to continue using my old Royce 604.

I just can't get anyone else around here to get their Tech license

I got my Ham license this year too, but most of my friends still have CB's :homer:

I got my Ham license this year too, but most of my friends still have CB's :homer:
except for your buddies up north,who barely have cell phones....:mr-t:

clean man!

Sick Brian!!

Can't wait to put it to the test on the 4th after a few :blender: and :beer: :lmao:

Can't wait to put it to the test on the 4th after a few :blender: and :beer:

Too bad you went to the Con and I went to Fordyce, would've taken u up on the :blender:




Anyhow...between work and sleep...

Painted the cage and reinstalled it... still need seats, seat mount X-bars, wiring, O-shit handles, and add some more gussets :shaking:

Frickin seats are really holding me back from finishing the project....:mad3:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P7070002.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P7070003.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P7070005.jpg

Extra gussets from hell... got em cheap :D
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P7070011.jpg

Update..

added some custom gussets to the top bars, and bought some '04 Mustang seats.


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010014.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010010.jpg

Wiper motors clear just fine...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010020.jpg

Yes, the drivers seat is power ... Just need to yank the bottom foam off and add that seat heater.. ha ha

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010001.jpg

Need to figure out the seat mounting positions and make some x-bars...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010003.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010006.jpg

I'll still going to add some 1" tube handles on the inside of the top front curve...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8010006a.jpg

More....

Removable seat X-bars...

Cell phone pic...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8260008.jpg

Tacked up...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8270012.jpg

Yes the rear bar is slightly lower than the front.. seat lean back :flipoff2:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8270014.jpg

Awesome cage....it is coming along nicely.

One thing to consider when adding grab handles is will your hand get smashed holding it if you go on your side. Mine are in line with the tube and will come very close to :crybaby2: if I go on my side.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/prospectorc4/31.jpg

More....

Removable seat X-bars...

Cell phone pic...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8260008.jpg

Tacked up...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8270012.jpg

Yes the rear bar is slightly lower than the front.. seat lean back :flipoff2:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P8270014.jpg

What's the cable shifter for?

One thing to consider when adding grab handles is will your hand get smashed holding it if you go on your side. Mine are in line with the tube and will come very close to :crybaby2:..."
Thanks, I've already been thinking about that, and will see how it fits next week

What's the cable shifter for?
for my KluneV :grinpimp:

If you think the grab handle is too close install a dash bar like the FJ 40 has and just use the grab handle for getting in and out.

Been working on it.. progress update.. if u care :flipoff2:

Pass seat mount...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9050004.jpg

Center console...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9220015.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9220017.jpg

Fits just right, and good arm rest height...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9220021.jpg

Painted and bolted down, clears all trans shifter positions...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9280004.jpg

Wiring plumbed inside the tube, and rear view mirror installed...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9280007.jpg


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9280001.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9280003.jpg

All grab handles are in, upper corner ones are rolled in a bit for hand clearance
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9280015.jpg

Looks damn good:smokin:

Center console is sweet too. May want to consider putting some kind of padding like the tuffy's have on top of it. I made one out of wood and my elbow didn't like sitting there for too long, and after the first time I smacked my funnybone it got padding:laughing:

Sweet:smokin: I see a few ideas I need to add to mine. Just been too busy fixing/repairing/maintaining everything else.
I would like to add some Ninja tree bars, like Scout Broker, but theres only 10 days before the IH Fall Rallye run on Fordyce. Oct 9th. So making everything water proof is top on the list.


Pic from last weekend:eek: At least they were smart enough to have a tow strap connected just in case the motor stalls out.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=468837&stc=1&d=1254177324

Just been too busy fixing/repairing/maintaining everything else.


Well.. if you would stop pissin us off by going wheeling each weekend, you would have time to do some upgrades :flipoff2:

:D

More pics with the 1/2 cab off and windsheild removed :flipoff2:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9290006.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9290007.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c101/scout254/P9290001.jpg

Are we finally going to see that thing on the trail? Looks Great!

Here's one I did. I tied it to the windshield frame at the customers request. I still don't like it from a strength standpoint. I'm only referring to this as a light bar at this point. It fits under the original full top. It looks clean and will hold a bikini top. I may tie it into the frame in the future.
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-11/1328385/DSC01674.JPG
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2008-11/1328385/DSC01672.JPG

I'm only referring to this as a light bar at this point.

Ya think?

:barf::barf::shaking:

BTT....

I updated my original post...

Not trying to hyjack the post, just needed some cage opinions.

sorry for the pic hyjack MochaMike

Not callin out this cage or anything just easy to use as a reference

I been designing my cage and like all Scouts the blue bars are pretty much a givin.

I wont be adding the red bars (no back seat). I am plannin on having green bars follow a line much line the factory roll bars.

What I need help with is the purple bars.

I know there needs to be a bar in the "door opening". the only thing I could come up with is much like this picture. But Im not liking that on my rig.

Anyone think it would be possible to do tube doors that have BEEFY hinges and latch that when closed could act like a structural support? build it somehow "integrated" into the frame.

My other problem is the other purple cross bar. My 80 is open (no bulkhead) and I like that, so I need a diffrent design on that. or is that bar even needed?

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/texaslocogringo/rollcage.jpg


Much appreciations!!

-LGringo

I would just like to point out that the gusset bars you have on the angled green bar, make no contact at both ends. they should not go to no where. IMO. But the concept looks good.

I would just like to point out that the gusset bars you have on the angled green bar, make no contact at both ends. they should not go to no where. IMO. But the concept looks good.

say what?

I just stole this pic from the first post because i cant upload my drawing. and this design is similar to mine.

the gussets are attached at both ends. If you look at the actuall pic its more clear. or are you just makin fun of my mad paint skills? lol:grinpimp:

-LGringo

Go look at the first version of my cage....

There are 2 primary/long sections of tube.... The A pillar, which has a 90* becoming a spreader, then curves 45* to the bottom of the C pillar.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j95/mochamike/Scout/Cage-3.gif

The rear gusset was simple insurance/speaker mount.
The middle gusset is a second connection between B & the spreader.
I could have simple triangle plates, but at the time there was discussion that these could act as can openers.


This has been discussed before..
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=839377&highlight=cage

If I had to do it over again, the B pillar would come down into the bed rather than cab (creating more space). See HOS pix. This would also allow for a diagonal to run top to bottom between both B pillars.

If I had to do it over again, the B pillar would come down into the bed rather than cab (creating more space).

Is it really an issue? I don't totally remember, but I thought that the seats pretty much cleared the tubes??? I was planning on constructing my next cage in the same way.

say what?

I just stole this pic from the first post because i cant upload my drawing. and this design is similar to mine.

the gussets are attached at both ends. If you look at the actuall pic its more clear. or are you just makin fun of my mad paint skills? lol:grinpimp:

-LGringo

No you got mad paint skilz, I am saying that you need a load point at which the tube is able to pass energy to another load point. ie. like a noad, or an intersection past the single tube. Your paint skilz have me beat on verbage.:D

Is it really an issue? I don't totally remember, but I thought that the seats pretty much cleared the tubes??? I was planning on constructing my next cage in the same way.

Not enough for me to go through the trouble of changing them.
But it I did it over, yeah.

Like I said, an 45* spreader between the two B pillars would help structurally, but as it is right now, it won't work.

When you do yours, make sure your seat fits/lines up with the steering wheel.
Mine is offset a tiny bit.

I could see how moving the B pillar back to the bed would help. not only for room but ima mount my seat belts to it so that would prolly be a little better location.

For the "structual doors" this is what i was thinkin, instead of a "spreader" that runs through the door opening.

I would plug weld the red inner tube to the blue outter tube.

Yall think this could work? or is it compomising too much to such a vital support?

http://i377.photobucket.com/albums/oo216/texaslocogringo/doors.jpg


thanks
-LGringo