yep.....who's interested?

the general idea here is that Powertrax used to have the Lockright available for the Isuzu 10 bolt rear (up to 87 w/ drum brakes) ................well it also fit the front IFS, but was never marketed for that application.

The Locker was the only "drop-in" on the market for Isuzu......and it's been defunct for a few years.

well...............I wnat to bring it back!!! so i'm looking for interested parties who would buy one if it were available again.

in addition to that:

i want to pitch to them............the development of the rear 12 bolt Lockright.

currently the only isuzu lockers on the market are ARB's...........


this would allow guys a cheaper alternative to lock up their Troopers, Amigos, Pick-ups, VX, whatever.................front and rear!

also the 10 bolt would work in the front of the Rodeo, probably the axiom if anyone was so inclined...........you get the point :flipoff2:


who's interested? :bounce:

oh...if you want to read a little more of the ongoing discussion...take a look here:

http://www.4x4wire.com/forums/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=UBB68

theread called:

"Isuzu 12 bolt locker possibilty?"

I'm interested in locking up the 10 bolt IFS

I'd be interested in the locker for my '86.

Not to hijack the thread, but what's the possibility of finding a header for a 2.3 head, Matt? I'm getting some things together to put a 2.3 head on a 2.6 block.

Not a hijack at all


on the 2.3L header....................

i have a verbal from Doug Thorley Headers on their 2.3L Isuzu Header (same story...has been discontinued a year or more ago)

they will run a nother batch for me on an order of maybe 10-15......not too bad, but we would have to get some guys together that want 2.3L 4cyl. headers.

if you are on some Pup, Pickup, or chevy Luv message boards.......maybe there are enough dudes to get that done as well. Let me know.


i guess those couls also be modified w/ an O2 sensor bung and an egr tube pretty easily and run on the 2.6L....just a thought :)

c'mon fuckers this is big :flipoff2:

plunk down some change so we can lock em up

Regarding the locker, I've got cash in hand. Same with the header. Whenever it can be done, I'm ready. There's a pretty good Luv board over on yahoo. I'll see if I can't link this thread to it.

Now to really hijack things. I'm thinking of going with a Weber carb, not the FI. The big one. The 38, I think. RPM will work with me on an AMC head along with the best combination of valving and cam grind. I know people think it's nuts to put money into an Isuzu 4, especially being mated to my uber-oddball stock tranny, but I really want to do all this as "Isuzu" as possible. Any word about AirTrooper mating that divorced case to his Isuzu box?

Aloha Matt & Happy Holidays! :grinpimp:
I thought I read on the axle application table at drivetrain superstore's web site, that the "Powerbrute" limited slip unit would work on the front Isu' 10 bolt. Was that a misprint?

Now to really hijack things. I'm thinking of going with a Weber carb, not the FI. The big one. The 38, I think. RPM will work with me on an AMC head along with the best combination of valving and cam grind. I know people think it's nuts to put money into an Isuzu 4, especially being mated to my uber-oddball stock tranny, but I really want to do all this as "Isuzu" as possible. Any word about AirTrooper mating that divorced case to his Isuzu box?


yeah i was nice to you once, but damn that's a hijack fawker ..........start your own thread :flipoff2:

Aloha Matt & Happy Holidays! :grinpimp:
I thought I read on the axle application table at drivetrain superstore's web site, that the "Powerbrute" limited slip unit would work on the front Isu' 10 bolt. Was that a misprint?


that is correct.....BIG "IF" is IF you can get your hands on one. Lots of old application charts out there.

Auburn Gear also Used to make a Limited slip for the 10 bolt.......last i talked w/ them they had pulled the application from their list.....but i was told they may have something "on the shelf" ..who knows :rolleyes:

there is an Isuzu limited slip for the 10 bolt...i have the factory part number here on my desk...you can PM me for it if you want...they usually run around $400 IIRC



Back on topic.....We are talking LOCKERS..............here it the opportunity to bring the 10 bolt (front or rear) back, and possibly convince a manufacturer to R&D the 12 bolt rear.


who wants 'em?

Stupid question, but here goes: these would lock both drive wheels on both axles all the time, correct? (the front only when 4wd is engaged, of course...) And the cost would be in the neighborhood of $800.00 for both units? I am definetly interested in the 12bolt locker, maybe the 10 bolt for the front (it'll take a nice piece of jewlery for the wife to get both...)

i'd definately buy a lockright for the 12bolt rear

and lets not leave out the later (post 97?) 12 bolts that would require a different locker i believe... that said, welded works fine for me but i'd love to see some additional drivetrain support from the aftermarket for Zu's.

and lets not leave out the later (post 97?) 12 bolts that would require a different locker i believe... .

yeah i am talking the 87-97 rear 12 bolt.

the 98+ w/ the larger ring gear and 1.5" shafts would be a different Lockright. the likelyhood of getting a 3rd onr going i think is slim at this point, but what the hell if you have that trooper and want one Post up...............


who knows maybe the numbers are there?

Stupid question, but here goes: these would lock both drive wheels on both axles all the time, correct? (the front only when 4wd is engaged, of course...) And the cost would be in the neighborhood of $800.00 for both units? I am definetly interested in the 12bolt locker, maybe the 10 bolt for the front (it'll take a nice piece of jewlery for the wife to get both...)


What you are describing is called a "spool". A spool locks both wheels of an axle together all the time any time forever, yeah you get it.

A "locker" is short of auto-locker, meaning it is a device that locks and unlocks the two axleshafts/wheels together when you are going straight. they unlock the wheels when you are coasting in a turn. how well they lock and unlock and how seamless they feel like, depends on design and construction. Good autolockers are almost invisible on pavement, except if you gas it on a turn, causing the locker to engage and disengage in a split second. Point is, they are almost seamless but can lead to strange driving feel especially if you're not used to how they work. Not adviseable for a truck that spends 99.9% of time on road or city driving. And most autolockers do make a loud clicking sound during engagement, for what it's worth.

The advantage is that they are cheap, only replace the spider gears of the differential (meaning you do not have to reset/reinstall the gears), and provide a good compromise between a spool and a air or mechanically actuated locker (both of these are teh subject of a whole nother post)

in addition to that:

I want to pitch to them............the development of the rear 12 bolt Lockright.

There are many jeepers who may be intrested in this. The 12 bolt rear is gaining popularity among the heep crowd. Being fairly common now (lots of junkyard isuzu pups) makes the suzu 12 bolt a nice swap for the heepers. The only hold up is the limited locker selection.

I would take a 12 bolt locker.

I would take a 12 bolt version as soon as you can get it!

cool....cool.

keep the numbers coming.

Hey, I would love to have lockers both front and rear. But I have a question. I use my Trooper for a daily driver and have to drive in snow during the winter, I understand that if you have a rear locker that it makes your 4x4 not want to turn when it is snowy/icey on the road. Is there a way to keep from doing this? Or would I be best to just use a locker in front? Also I know that for other makes you can get lockers for under 300, what would be the cost of these/ per locker?

still working on this, my contact is out of the office until monday 12/20........so i'll try back next week.


matt

I would be interested in some for both the 10 and 12 bolt, for the wifes rig :D , that would be nice...

I use my Trooper for a daily driver and have to drive in snow during the winter, I understand that if you have a rear locker that it makes your 4x4 not want to turn when it is snowy/icey on the road. Is there a way to keep from doing this? Or would I be best to just use a locker in front?

First off, I’m in for a 12 bolt, and the 10. :smokin:

To the question; Ya when the throttle is applied it locks the end that the lockers in, i.e. rear if where talking the 12 bolt. So when you go around a corner on ice, and step on the gas you will end up sliding around because both tires (on that axel) will now be turning the same speed. If you do things right and stay off the gas when turning there shouldn't be a problem. Another thing to remember is that there is a given amount of force (from the tires) that it takes to “unlock” or ratchet the locker. If it where really slippery (depending on how tight the locker is) it might not unlock when you get off the gas and you still would end up sliding. Now all that said if I was still up in north Idaho where you have 3 or 4 good months of snow I wouldn't think of the lock right in a daily driver. It would be the ARB all the way!

As for the front (10 bolt) I wouldn't recommend the lock right if you plan on running your 4x4 on the road (in snow) at any more than 5 mph. You will spin it out! No question!


some reading: link (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm) link (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/four-wheel-drive.htm) :flipoff2:

status?

in the works & looking promising..............I am currently exchanging e-mails with them and working out the details.


let's get a LIST of who would want the 10 bolt locker and who wants the 12 bolt locker.

Alright. I'm interested in the 10 bolt for the rear of my '86. Do you want a pm with contact information or what, Matt?

I'd probably be in for at least one 12 and one 10, maybe 2 of each.

Way intrested in a locker for the 12 bolt... What about Aussie Locker.. they are developing a big list of aplications..

nope....doubt you will see that


get your name in the ring for the lockright

just a monday update on this...........

the 10 bolt looks really promising......still do not have solid #'s or delivery dates from Powertrax, so that is why i have not escallated this to the Deposit level.

on the 12 bolt......that also looks very promising, and they have requested a rear 3rd member from me..........which i should be able to send to them this week. that pushes that item along 1 more step. :D

this stuff just takes time, we are bringing new products to market here.

this is for real people................speak up if you are interested and let's make it happen.

friday update:

the 12 bolt rear carrier has been sent to Powertrax for the start of the R&D on that locker


so what's up....nobody else is interested? :flipoff2:

final product should fit:

89-95 amigo
late 87 (disk)-early 97 troopers
89-95 +/- pickups

jump in here :grinpimp:

Just say when where and how much and my order will be placed. :)

i'm not worried about you............i know where you work :flipoff2:

thanks again for the parts...... :cool2:

Huh, dunno how I missed posting here.. Yeah, defiantely on 10 and 12 bolt lockers...one of each for now... lemme know when Matt..

Chase

I'm interested in both! :D

Matt,
Put me down for 1 for the 10bolt........lisa is wanting the Turtle to be locked up badly.........she has even ok'd me to get a 3rd and weld it :D ........
what the hell........
Give me contact info,etc......and I'll give you the money......

another hijack :flipoff2:
Do you have a set of 929's on the shelf?.......I'll need a set before Uwharrie this spring the camper has killed 2 set's of stock springs.......might as well lift it too....


Bansil

sounds good....................on the 929's, i have several...i'll pm you

if the price is somewhere around $250-300, I will buy a 12-bolt lockright within 6-12 months for sure. Over $300 and the odds of buying it start declining as I'm a cheap bastard :)

I too am interested in the lockers. I just need a time frame I have to work with , for payment wise. Keep me updated.

well here we go. this is the GENERAL version of this project. let me throw some numbers at you guys and then we need to see how many are still interested.

the 10 bolt locker:

to do a 1 time limited production run of these the minimum order would be 75 units

turn around time is a minimum of 26 weeks from the time of my deposit

the retail of this run of 75+ will be around $450.00 each


12 Bolt rear:

this unit has to be "tooled" - there is currently no locker available (nor has there ever been). Unit has to be designed and tooled at a cost of roughly $5000.00

they are willing to make a very tiny run of 50 minimum. that means, that on top of the reg "wholesale" cost, there is about $100.00 worth of tooling per unit at this level.

if we did 5000 there would be $1 per ............you see this is why Mfg' do not want to run small #'s - tooling is the same reguardless of how many you make.


to do a 1 time limited production run of these the minimum order would be 50 units

turn around time is a minimum of 26 (+8 for tooling and most likely a bit longer for prototype and test fitment) weeks from the time of my deposit

the retail on these 50+ units again, same as the 10 bolt would run around $475.00 each + the $100.00 per unit for tooling = final cost of $575.00 per unit. with a 1 time run of 50.


TERMS:

all units would have to be pre-paid
there would be no refunds on parts once you commit.

that is UNLESS for some reason they are not made, then payments would be returned...........But if you commit, and they are made, you pay for it .....if you take delivery or not.

all freight will be split down over the final # of units (getting the skid of 125+ units from SC to VA and then from VA to you )



SO..................there it is. that is the reality of this project. and...of course pricing is subject to change as materials and trasportation costs are changing on a weekly basis right now.

give me feedback. Now who's in?

definetly be intersested in a locker for the front 10bolt, id probebly go ARB in the rear as i want to retain my good road drivability.so if the 10bolt one works with the IFS then youve got me as a buyer.

Sorry, OT.


TrooperRS, I think you did some work for a friend of mine? Black Comanche that was kinda beat getting a hack/tube job? Name was Patrick?



Oh, and I might be interested in the 12B one at some point. We'll see...

Oh, and I might be interested in the 12B one at some point. We'll see...


This is the kind of shit that kills these deals every time:shaking: "There's a chance that there may be some possibility that I may be somewhat kind of interested at some point in the future, maybe." This isn't the kind of deal that will hang around for the next 2 years while you make up your mind. Get on board now, or the lockers will never get produced and you won't have to worry about being interested "at some point", because there will be no product to be interested in.
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Sorry, OT.


TrooperRS, I think you did some work for a friend of mine? Black Comanche that was kinda beat getting a hack/tube job? Name was Patrick?




yep, i did a lot of work on pat's rig........

IM in 100%, for a 12 bolt. Let me know when you need the money..

Peace
Joel

I'd be in for 12 bolt as I said back on the first page, I just hope that you can get 50 to make the deal go through. Let us know when to make a deposit if you get enough

86 Turbo Deisel 4wd Troopp here, saw on the ITOG webring that theres a company carries the lockers (lockright) for the troopps for the rear, not the front. Also have the headers fopr the 4cyl gas motors..Ill look for it.

any updates?

def not enough takers yet. still watching who is interested so post up guys.

heres the thing i dont really see whats so hard about this, they already have the mold for the 10 bolts so all they have to do is make some more. . . or are you just talking about the 12blt rear? im interested in a 10blt for my ifs

its costly for them to manufacture even with the molds. and after slow sales on the original units it's easy to see why they want commitment.

Matt, I really wish I had the money to get a 12'r or two, but I'm a poor bastard right now. plus, I'm starting on my masters in the fall so I dunno if I could ever justify the purchase in the not too distant future. but, ya never know, so If something happens I will get up with you. I'd like to be a part of this, but the timing just absolutley sucks for me.

Hope this thing works out

With the D44 Waggy SAS coming along, I need a 12-Bolt Locker.

So count me in. Just as long as it wont ve $800 Like that other brand *cough*ARB*cough*

arb cost even more!!! you gotta get the compressor and the lines added onto that 800!! REDICULOUS!!!!! nice setup though haha:D

You'll have to count me out. I've decided to get rid of the '86.

jeez why mate?

Have an 86 TIITD, I want one for the rear, front too if they make them!

ok. i am starting to compile a buyers list. i have had a few calls to the shop and have a list going (well currently 2 guys )

Just PM me:

Name
address
phone #
truck (year & Model)
what lockers you want to buy.

this is a preliminary list, no obligation.......if i have enough names we will make a round of calls for to get payment info.......and discuss final details.

if i do not get enough names...........then..... i tried.



DO NOT PM ME ON EVERY BOARD...............this is posted on 4x4wire, Pirate4x4, Planet Isuzoo - so just pick one. I'll check them and add you to the list. Thanks

heres the thing i dont really see whats so hard about this, they already have the mold for the 10 bolts so all they have to do is make some more. . . or are you just talking about the 12blt rear? im interested in a 10blt for my ifs


:rolleyes: they DISCONTINUED the 10 bolt +/-5 years ago. they will not be making them again period........tooling or not.........Well that is unless there is a single vendor that steps up to purchase an entire minimum run at once.

they are not interested in inventory on a unit that has such poor sales. Hell we need 75 here....................and it was discontinued with a volume of (it was suggested to me) around 150- 175 a year as a "slow" seller.

when this unit was available, IIRC i used to retail them in the $365-380 in 1999 or 2000....................Materials, transportation, etc have gone up 10 fold since them.

the price is not bad. really......especially for a major Mfg. to go for something like this on a tiny production number like this. we are not talking about "production" items, now these are basically a custom parts run in a small batch.


think about it.......you can't compare this to a "production" unit like a toyota or a dana 44. apples to oranges.



the bottom line here is if guys want it...... cool, we'll move forward...........if not, oh well.

the list is short, and life is really short. Cmon guys!! lets git'er'done!

Yup life is short .... I gave up on this idea last winter. Welded rear, Reider racing Power Brute LSD front now.

Just wondering if there has been any head way here. My buddy just bought an 89 amigo and I am trying to find him a locker for the the rear. Pretty sure it's the 12 bolt rear. I know he would be interested in one.

I'm in for the 12-bolt

Matt, any news?

We have a prototype IFS Isuzu locker and are looking for someone (preferably an experienced locker installer) to install the locker, critique the installation instructions, the installation and the performance direct to us. If you are interested send an email to engineering@offroadlockers.com. Our development engineering team will select the individual from any applications received. You can keep the locker for your assistance.

Is this Proto for 10-Bolt or 12-Bolt Axles? You mentioned IFS, so I assumed front 10-Bolt.

Is this Proto for 10-Bolt or 12-Bolt Axles? You mentioned IFS, so I assumed front 10-Bolt.

It is for the front IFS diff.

sorry for the hijack, but aussie why not go straight for the rear? there's more opportunity there since not only does everyone with 1st gen amigo's, and 88-96(IIRC) troopers have that axle, but people actually swap those into other makes.

again, sorry lockright people for the hijack

Ah ok. If it was for the rear 12-Bolt, I was close to having an experienced installer. Toms Bronco Parts/Rustys 4x4 Locally said they were up to the task. Keep us updated!

I can see the purpose of having an experienced installer do the deed because they should be able to do it without the instructions there by making sure that they are correct. But I would think that you guys would want just and average joe to be able to install this in his driveway(if it's a lunchbox type locker). That would be a true test of the instructions.

I can see the purpose of having an experienced installer do the deed because they should be able to do it without the instructions there by making sure that they are correct. But I would think that you guys would want just and average joe to be able to install this in his driveway(if it's a lunchbox type locker). That would be a true test of the instructions.

We may have left a false impression in our posting. We are not looking for a shop or differential mechanic to do the install. However, we are looking for someone who has had some experience in installing automatic lockers as they can critique the installation manual and write corrections based on their experience. We have used this process in the past with very good results and we are looking forward to this evaluation in the very near future. Thank you for your comments as they certainly have a lot of credibility.

We may have left a false impression in our posting. We are not looking for a shop or differential mechanic to do the install. However, we are looking for someone who has had some experience in installing automatic lockers as they can critique the installation manual and write corrections based on their experience. We have used this process in the past with very good results and we are looking forward to this evaluation in the very near future. Thank you for your comments as they certainly have a lot of credibility.

If you make a 12 bolt, I'd be up for the test. My welded rear 3rd:mad3: has got to go.

On the 10 bolt install beta, a few of us east coast guys get together regularly for a wrenching bash. I'm sure we could find someone that needs a front locker:D .

We appreciate those who wrote expressing their interest in the prototype Aussie Locker for the IFS front Isuzu diff. We have selected someone to do the installation and we hope to have them put installation photos and results on this site in the near future.

If you need someone to install one in the 98+ newer front 10bolts.I'll be willing to do so.
I've installed 2 of the Aussie lockers in the 98+ newer D44's.
So I'll be willing to experiment for you.:D