Well, I did it like the looks and so on I do need longer Shocks now here are some pictures..............



OLD: I have a 2 inch shackle on my rear now and I have a Chevy short shackle I would like to add to that...

Anyone want to share there feelings about the double shackles...:confused:

:confused:

I love double shackles....it keeps you tie down but gives you just a little bit of movement. very good for the........oh you mean suspension.....:eek: :eek: well I'll have to think about this.....
Rich

Works OK to give a little extra droop if your shocks are set up to use it. You've got the parts and its cheap/free to try it, so go for it. :skull:

Hopefully I don't have the terminology all wrong, BUT I think you are talking about the same setup Gozuki did to his rig. In his Sig-line he refers to them as "M-links". If these two things are one and the same ... :eek: YEAH BAY-BEE!! His rig GETS IT!! If you already have the goodies and can make them work, go to town!! :beer:

My concern would be that when the second shackle unfolds, wouldn't the only down force be the pressure of the other tire pushing it down? Wouldn't you lose the downforce of the spring? I've thought about this too.

If you do setup double shackles, how are they supposed to be setup?
Scissored- where the loose end of the top shackle is the original mounting point of the bottom shackle or......

like one long shackle that has a pivot in the middle?

This is sort of a newbie question, so fire away.

These questions have been beat to death. You might want to try right here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/index.html) at the tech section's Chevy spring swap.

Here's a shot of how they rest.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/double_shackle.jpg

And one when flexed.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/edge_droop.jpg

The only downside I've seen to this setup is when climbing uphill. The hole truck wants to roll back on the rear axle (axle moves closer to the front of the truck), and the shackle opens up even when not flexed. This doesn't sound too bad, but everyone I've seen comment on it said that the truck sucked at climbing, as compared to before the dual shackles.
There is not too much benefit of added droop without weight, but there is some. A little more stable, and the weight of the tire itself might be just enough to get the grip to keep you moving. Not too likely. Usually it's just easier than moving the rear spring mount when swapping longer springs in. Plus it's just kind of fun to see your tire droop 2 feet below the frame!

Also, check out this thread (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=30893) for more "action" shots.

If this doesn't answer you questions, you can always search, cause all the info is already here.

I tried them on my rig and also tried buggy springs before that. I dont like either of these ideas. My toy has a v8 and it makes these setups really crazy with my heavy foot. its only a matter of time before something gets tore up, so no thanks, thats my opinion..

Originally posted by Im4yotas

The only downside I've seen to this setup is when climbing uphill. The hole truck wants to roll back on the rear axle (axle moves closer to the front of the truck)

I'm having the same problem. The truck climbed better with the old NWORs. I locked out the shackles and it solved the problem. I'm building a trac bar similar to this one. It should fix the problem without looseing any droop.

Here's Jay's write up on it.

trac bar (http://www.mindspring.com/~jayk3/toyota/rear_susp.htm)

don't do the dual shakle yota girl

they suck

it is not a "cool mod" eighter

if you don't like your rear travel just look into springs
make sure your shocks aren't to short....etc..

i think it works for me, but i havent tested it enough to be sold wether or not its just a gimmick that makes you look kool on a ramp, or has real trail advantages. is that tire even gonna get traction regardless, it isnt burdened with any weight??? im no expert, so like erik bible said, just try it out and see:D

Originally posted by Im4yotas

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/edge_droop.jpg

That upper shackle would CLAP quite forcefully with the frame wouldn't it???How much noise does this setup make? I mean is it feasable on a daily driver...?

I mainly did mine cuz it was easier than welding up new shackle mounts on a frame that has been cut off.we put the chevy's on my bobbed runner and barely had room for the short(stock chevy)shackle to rest on the frame,the springs themselves extend past the bumper.I dont think it would work w/stock length springs,but i dunno...I think the "verticle"shackle would now be angled the "wrong way"I've only gone halfway thru the con and back once with them,so I don't know about the performance,great droop shots though!

Originally posted by ehsankiani
That upper shackle would CLAP quite forcefully with the frame wouldn't it???How much noise does this setup make? I mean is it feasable on a daily driver...? I forgot to mention in my previous post that Gozuki placed flat bumpstops between the frame and horizontal shackle to squelch the noise.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Im4yotas
[B]These questions have been beat to death. You might want to try right here (http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/index.html) at the tech section's Chevy spring swap.

Here's a shot of how they rest.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/double_shackle.jpg

And one when flexed.
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/chevyswap/edge_droop.jpg


I want to do it the other way... I want the Chevy short shackle on the top and the 2 inch on the Bottom. To move my Shackle angle back but still have the drop.:confused:

You can Poxy some rubber to your frame and it will not cut in or make sounds.

One reason I wanted to do this is so the Shackle also gives some lift back. And if I move my Spring mount I will lose my drop.

Hey girl! :flipoff2: Did you get my email???? If you did then cool. It's nice to be able to hook someone up with other wheelers. Talk to ya later!!!!

TJ Chick

Originally posted by TJ Chick - Trailhawg
Hey girl! :flipoff2: Did you get my email???? If you did then cool. It's nice to be able to hook someone up with other wheelers. Talk to ya later!!!!

TJ Chick

Yep CHICKY I got that e-mail.. I was waiting on him to e-mail me..:p

Originally posted by PurpleYotaGirls
Yep CHICKY I got that e-mail.. I was waiting on him to e-mail me..:p

Sorry, I told him that I gave you his addy & yours to him. I wasn't sure who was going to get in contact with who????


Hey where are you??? Just wanted to chat with you for a lil bit & see how things are going.

TJ Chick

:p

Originally posted by TJ Chick - Trailhawg


Sorry, I told him that I gave you his addy & yours to him. I wasn't sure who was going to get in contact with who????


Hey where are you??? Just wanted to chat with you for a lil bit & see how things are going.

TJ Chick

:p

AOL GIRLY

Here's mine. They work great!!

Here's some of the flex.

Heres the set I made for my junk, they work really well

Originally posted by Disco
Here's some of the flex.
Cool but what do you think about what I said about putting the chevy Short shackle from the Frame to other Shackle?

I'm not a fan... mine are locked out on a semi-permanent basis, awaiting me to get off my butt and add a new shackle hangar.

Here's a thread where this has been discussed recently:
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28455&highlight=unpredictable
Honestly, this has been hashed through a whole lotta times, so SEARCH for double shackle, drop shackle, etc.

Most of the droop pictures shown here would still have solid droop even without flippity-floppity shackles. Actual at-the-axle droop from these setups is half the drop-shackle's length, since one end of the spring stays hard-mounted and the axle splits the difference in the middle. If we're talking real-world travel, it is even less, since the drop shackle never goes fully vertical.

I'll be removing mine.

Randii

purple yota girlie, i used the chevy shackle at the frame and a longer shackle on the spring side. the shackle was too short to have any real benefits. it needs to be at least to 7-8 inches long to be really effective. my chevys came with a really short shackle, but ive seen different sets with longer shackles(chevy)...

make the upper shackle like 7-8 inches long and then weld it in place to give you the angle you want on the lower shackle when the truck is sitting flat. worked for me...that pic i posted was with all pro springs though....:usa: :usa:

i originally just got a shackle the length need so i didnt have to weld a new shackle hanger to the frame. it was very short ~4.5" LONG. (IM USING ALLPROS, NOT CHEVYS) IT DIDNT HAVE ANY REAL BENEFITS OF THE DUAL SHACKLE DROOP BECAUSE IT WAS TOO SHORT. BUT I WAS TOO LAZY TO MOVE MY HANGER SO IT STAYED LIKE THAT FOR MONTHS...

OOPS, I BUMPED CAPS Lock......:rasta: :rasta:

PYG- my runner is set up w/ the Chevy shackle in the frame like you want to do. I also built the ones in the other pics (Edge's old truck). It works fine either way. :)

I've also never heard a "slap" or whatever from the shackle hitting the frame...

My Runner doesn't climb any differently than it ever did before either...

Any my runner is also a daily driver/commuter.

Originally posted by ErikB
PYG- my runner is set up w/ the Chevy shackle in the frame like you want to do. I also built the ones in the other pics (Edge's old truck). It works fine either way. :)

I've also never heard a "slap" or whatever from the shackle hitting the frame...

My Runner doesn't climb any differently than it ever did before either...

Any my runner is also a daily driver/commuter.

My friend bought that truck not to long ago.
I am going to try it out and see what happens..
I know that everyone has there likes and dislikes..
Just wanted to see what others thought..

And the Guy that said it isn't cool... LOL I wasn't trying to be COOL.
I set my rig up what works for me and My Ideas. That is what makes it one of a kind
;) ;)

are the double shackles gonna count as your idea? let us know how it works out....

Originally posted by militaryota
are the double shackles gonna count as your idea? let us know how it works out....

Not mine Idea no... Just makin the statement that I wasn't doing it to be cool. ;)

:)

shackle angle is way too steep, gonna make it ride really rough. i'd leave out the flippity-floppity thing and just move the shackle hanger.

- jack

Originally posted by morpheus
shackle angle is way too steep, gonna make it ride really rough. i'd leave out the flippity-floppity thing and just move the shackle hanger.

- jack

Truth is that it is Ridding really nice as is the Springs are Soft and the Angle is Better when Bouncing.
The really test is going to be if it is going to Cram or not. I will be Testing it next and posting Pictures. ;)

can you do this setup on the front???

my jeep is set-up similar in the rear. top shackle is pointed the other way though. not much xtra droop. top shackle is too short on mine. I leave the top shackle bolt really tight so it doesn't move too freely. Try them and see how you like em, it's cheap.
I've also got a traction bar, so v-8 power doesn't effect the shackles. just my.02

matt-

I run the chevy before my long one and have had no problem with it, they do want to make noise sometimes like loading and unloading under torque and around corners sometimes, I have not had it on the trail yet since I am still in a building process.
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Up date since the Post was started again..

I love the Shackles the way I set them up. They are Great and only Inverted them once.. LOL:D

I don't know about Puttin dual shackles on the front of a Toyota might get weird but the jeeps might be okay I am guessing.
Don't they use Tera Flex up front on Jeeps?

can this double shackle be done on the front end?

You might want to post in the jeep area.. Maybe a better chance of people answering. ;) I seen it but not to sure if it is Safe to do it.

Originally posted by yarddog


I'm having the same problem. The truck climbed better with the old NWORs. I locked out the shackles and it solved the problem. I'm building a trac bar similar to this one. It should fix the problem without looseing any droop.

I suspect either the front rod end or the intersection of the upper and lower bars will break. Also, I bent the crap out of 1/2" bolts at the axle, I would step those up. Torque at the axle is awsome, dont build a half ass arm. my .02

Angel, they are great for the ramp! That is about it.

I like my double rear shackles and 4-link setup. They work great.

Here is a picture during fab.

http://www.azvjc.org/pics/2720_02619104916.jpg

yeah you can double shackle the front but you need to four link it, use radius arms and a track bar, or similar method to locate the front axle. If done right they are no problem.

.........I couldn't come up with any likes....


Can we say "BANG"!!!

How about this new design???

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
How about this new design???

Sign me up for 8....:flipoff2:

Originally posted by Chris Geiger
How about this new design???

Can these be doubled up :confused: :flipoff2: :flipoff2: