So What do we do to make this forum better? Should I go on one of my infamous tirades?

I'm going to need a few more :beers:

:flipoff2:

How about a check out the lingerie I got my (Hot GF/Wife) (or for Lame BF) for Xmas lingerie in/on your rig TOTW?


I'm up for Good TOTW suggestions PM me.

So What do we do to make this forum better?

combine it with the chevy forum. the jeep forum is all about people putting chevy stuff on their jeeps and the chevy forum is all jeep people asking chevy people how to put chevy parts on their jeeps. make sense?



















oh and if mo got a dog and named him jeep...that might help;).

TIRADE! TIRADE! TIRADE!

:D And you still look fat in 31's :flipoff2:

Our forum sucks because we spend most of our time chasing out trolls rather than having a progressive conversation over a tech subject. Half these fuck sticks would even be posting their bullshit if we were giving them something to read.

Additionaly, I can't even begin to fathom why TOTW would go away. EVERY single one of them has awesome feedback and almost all are still applicable today. Even if a topic has been discussed before there could be new information or a new way of thinking about things.

Lastly, I also feel that we should have a new moderator in this forum. Someone who gives a shit enough to post up a TOTW or even a TOTMonth or TOTquarter. Not to knock your performance here Steve, but we have all been saying this forum is broken for quite some time. Maybe you need some help?

Kevin

:coming out of hiding: :flipoff2:

Topic's of the week are good ideas, but they should be topic of the month. One week hardly gives it it's due. Unfortunately, there is no way to control information (bad) that goes into it, maybe a mod can 'remove' suspect posts within a TOTM?

As far as the forum itself. It sucks, but that's because Jeeps are so popular and every Tom, Dick and Keith :flipoff2: can post up. What really sucks is the fact that you can only search and get '500' returned threads. While the old guys realize that the information has been hashed out, it may have been three or four years ago and unless you go archiving, it's impossible.

That's why I started the FAQ thread. I was hoping that it would eliminate the asshated posts, but it didn't.

Things will never be the way they were, I'm driving a Land Rover now :flipoff2: , I'm sick of fawkin seeing Jeeps, and my new project that I'm starting will have a big block, a 4 speed and is only 2wd...... :D

Lastly, I also feel that we should have a new moderator in this forum. Someone who gives a shit enough to post up a TOTW or even a TOTMonth or TOTquarter. Not to knock your performance here Steve, but we have all been saying this forum is broken for quite some time. Maybe you need some help?

Kevin

I agree and disagree. I think Mo and Steve both do great jobs. And I think it is inevitable that this forum will never be what the old timers remember. There are just too many people here now and too many newbies jerkin off newbies on the posts. My suggestion would be this....STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO THEM COMPLETELY! Maybe we need to try a different approach. Reserve the hammerings for the really bad stuff, and just move move move everything to newbie.

On a side note, I would volunteer to be a 3rd mod in Jeep Talk just to help Mo and Steve keep up on the crap. :D ;)

and my new project that I'm starting will have a big block, a 4 speed and is only 2wd...... :D

You scare me sometimes :D :p

The general repair threads need to go somewhere else. Just delete them.
If you can’t fix it go to a mechanic.

TOTW/TOTM, should happen weekly/ monthly.
It seems the tech comes out of the closet on the TOTW threads and questions get answered. There is a lot of info on the TOTW threads and they seem to not get "lost" as easily.

The biggest problem that I can see is the mods allowing "vigilante justice", it’s your job to mod and if you can’t control the forum (even the old members) then you should bring in another or not be a moderator.
The flaming has ruined this thread for years now and some of it is necessary but its at a point were its trendy, a reason to pad, annoying and worst of all it's ruining any tech there could be. I'm guessing Lance put his finger on that issue for now though. :smokin:

On a side note, I would volunteer to be a 3rd mod in Jeep Talk just to help Mo and Steve keep up on the crap. :D ;)

And I would nominate you!



Kevin

I am not trying to step on toes at all. I don't want to replace Mo....or Steve. Hell I dont even care if I am a mod or not.....I am just offering another set of eyes to help move shit. I am on the board basically 9 hours a day.

On a side note, I would volunteer to be a 3rd mod in Jeep Talk just to help Mo and Steve keep up on the crap. :D ;)


Maybe a 4th? I'd volunteer.

Since I'm not doing the "Jeep Thang" anymore, it'd work both to my advantage and disadvantage.

Advantage: I've seen enough good posts/bad posts to know the diff and I'm 'seperated' from Jeeps, so if I piss anyone off, I could care less.

Disadvantage: I might just let you fawkers kill each other then step in. :D




Another point that everyone needs to remember. PBB has gotten huge, I see Pirate4x4.com bumper stickers in magazines, and it's just natural that it's going to get huge just out of curiosity.

Kudo's to Lance, but it's become a beast and the newbie invasion is not just blamed on JU, Quadracrap or other forums, it's the beast within.

So, to a point, we need to live with the newbie asshattedness for the duration and give the old timers (like myself, strong, lame, hooder, bigdude, etc.) our own forum :flipoff2:

Since I'm not doing the "Jeep Thang" anymore

:shaking: Traitor. :flipoff2:

'Better' is a pretty generalized term. You want more tech? More hardcore? I assume that most of the guys here have already fabbed up most or all their stuff so you either get new people in to post or the oldtimers post more old stuff.

And I agree...every single 'My 4.0 won't start' should be MOVED immediately, regardless of who started the thread. :shaking:

:shaking: Traitor. :flipoff2:

Let's just say it's a combination of things that have caused me to re-evaluate my position. :flipoff2:

Wifey, money, job, kids, wifey, sick of staring at half done projects, wifey. :flipoff2:

More patrols and kicking bs threads to the Newbie forum is necessary. I'm not an old timer by any means but I think I started coming around at the tail end of "the good ol days" and it would be nice to have them back. I'm no mechanic and I did the first buildup of my YJ with knowledge gained almost exclusively at this site. No need to restate the difficulties of finding good tech now days. It's still here imo, just not as much, and too interspersed with crap.

More patrols and kicking bs threads to the Newbie forum is necessary.

To add to that, I think that once something is moved it should not show up in the jeep forum, moving it and still having the heading there is clogging things up more than if it was just left alone.
If the poster can’t find it then so be it.

If a third mod was to be brought in I feel it should be someone neutral and not affiliated with any "clicks", someone that could mod without bias. (sorry Keith)

:flipoff2: I am sure there are a lot of people that don't want me as a mod ;) I am not offended

i dont come in here much anymore because most of the time you open a thread and it has 100 posts of people saying " burn in hell newbie..... you suck!" rather than jsut not replying or trying top send the guy in the right direction

this also mahorly screws up the search feature since most anything you will get is something that turned intoi a newbie bashing or the like

hell you get better treatment in the general chit chat forum

What would really be nice is someone going in and cleaning out all teh BS; no tech havin'; dumfuk spewin' threads so that when a person DID do a search he'd actually be able to find something ;)

i dont come in here much anymore because most of the time you open a thread and it has 100 posts of people saying " burn in hell newbie..... you suck!" rather than jsut not replying or trying top send the guy in the right direction


I agree. The hazing was fun, but as said earlier, it has become more of a "cool" thing to do than a fun educational tool :D :laughing:

I think the JTMS and Jeep Talk FAQ's need to be mandatory reading BEFORE someone can post. I don't know exactly how to accomplish this but it would help. There's a lot of good stuff bookmarked in that thread. And to be completely honest, I didn't even know it was all in there until I looked just now. Maybe that's my own dumbass fault or maybe it needs to be in BIGGER, BRIGHTER letters.

Regardless, we should try to steer more people to those two threads.

So we just need to make it a rule that flaming should be joined with tech. Its OK to call a dumbfawk a dumbfawk as long as you prove to dumbfawk why he's a dumbfawk by showing said dumbfawk how easy it was for you to find the answer that dumbfawk was lookin for.

I.E.

Your a dumbfawk, use the search button, I did and it took me 2 seconds to find what you were looking for, CLICK HERE DUMBFAWK. (WWW.DUMBFAWK.COM)

See, we can still have fun with the dumbfawks and keep the tech at the forefront. :flipoff2:

nother mod sounds good to me. And yeah one the posts have been moved elminate them showing up still in the Jeep side.

My suggestion would be this....STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO THEM COMPLETELY! Maybe we need to try a different approach. Reserve the hammerings for the really bad stuff, and just move move move everything to newbie.


AMEN!

and... totm would be good.

It's so hard to sort out the tech from the bashing when you go searching for something. IMO, bashing has become the safe way to pad your post count.

Yes, it's silly to see: "my 4.0L won't start" threads, but they should be moved, not become a 40 post padding bashing thread.

I've been a member for more than a year and a lurker for many years. The only reason I joined was to contribute some $$$ to do my part in keeping the site running. I hardly ever post because I don't see the point. No matter what my question is, there's no doubt that it's been asked/answered before... I never come here to ask a question, just too search. Is this the kind of forum everyone wants? I forum where only old-timers post and everyone else just lurks? Maybe it is what you want... if so, carry on.

In the years I have been here I have seen good, bad, ugly, etc...

I honestly think that there are a lot of people still lurking around that have tons of info to share but they do not due to all the crap we see everyday here.... I honestly can not stand when someone posts a newbie question and then all these other newbies (by post count) start yelling - asshat, jerk off, etc..

Damn it grow up - push the damn report post so that way they it can be moved to the correct forum(IE:NEWBIE FORUM)

My suggestion right now is to give a few new mods or get the old ones to spend a few hrs going through all the crap and either just delete them or move them.. I also like the suggestion above to not even have the post show up anymore...once it is moved it is gone out of the Jeep Forum.

I always did like the TOTM very good info and well worth reading.

I really belive it is going to be very hard for all us old timers to get them newer folks to stop bashing every newbie post.. I mean it really is not that diffucult to search for the answer and reply back to the post with a link to the items you found.. or just give a real answer and remind them to search.. then at that time the mod can deside to move it to Newbie Tech or not.

Let the MODS do there JOBS if they are willing.

I am sure that a few of us would not mind help clean this place up

To add to that, I think that once something is moved it should not show up in the jeep forum, moving it and still having the heading there is clogging things up more than if it was just left alone.
If the poster can’t find it then so be it.

If a third mod was to be brought in I feel it should be someone neutral and not affiliated with any "clicks", someone that could mod without bias. (sorry Keith)
hell, I'd offer to mod as well if they're lookin for non "clichish" members... I got nothin better to do at work, and spend an ass load of time on here anyway. Jeep talk's gotten pretty bad lately. I'd like to see the newbie posts moved to newbie, and I'd like to see the posts that don't belong in newbie just locked. If you delete them the person will just post again, maybe if they are locked with a post that says "this is too dumb for even newbie tech" then maybe people will understand...

Serious question......what click am I supposedly a part of? :confused: I hate everyone :D :p

Size is the biggest issue, I lurked this board for months before joining and can remember the great threads with HarryB and the gang. Newbies knew not to post crap and were quickly banished for doing so. The problem I see now, is newbies flaming newbies. Everyone comes over here from JU and gets all frickin excited about the :flipoff2: icon and they go on power trips.

in a way though id ratehr see decent newbie theads( non newbie bashing) on here rather than see a page full of stale threads like is on here alot lately

Regarding TOTW, I am working with re-doing the rear fenders on my rig and need a way to roll a lip on the fenderwell or weld on a length of strip that is not asthetic, but structural. Maybe something like Bodywork for Carnage Survival would be in order . . . .

But making TOTW TOTM makes sense.

Moderating a board blows, but sharing the load helps. Thanks for moderating whoever does it. My twenty bucks goes a long way around here and I appreciate that.

Serious question......what click am I supposedly a part of? :confused: I hate everyone :D :p
Maybe it's the greater than 9000 posts clich :confused: :flipoff2:

how about setting the forum up so that you cannot start a thread until a search has been done? like after a search is completed you are given the option to start a new thread

how about setting the forum up so that you cannot start a thread until a search has been done? like after a search is completed you are given the option to start a new thread

what if I want to start a build up thread? or new tech threads, etc...

Maybe it's the greater than 9000 posts clich :confused: :flipoff2:


Or the member number under 1000 clique? :laughing: :flipoff2:

i read a lot, post only if i have something postive to say ( an answer or a place to get one)

i do not bash, i just do not respond
totm sounds very good, enjoyed all of the other ones when it was totw

sometimes it is hard to find the right terminolgy to search

my jeep and i have come a long ways because of this forum, you have to grow and change or die

I vote for TOTM. Look how popular the TOTW are - heck some still get brought up from 2-3 years ago.

I do not post here much anymore for a couple of reasons.

The two non forum related are 1. My XJ I know all too well, and 2. My CJ is just Jeep skin and frame...I get more info and ideas from the Gen forum.

Searching in Jeep fucking sucks. I do not give 1/2 a fuck who whips out the best newbie bash.

I am also a member of a forum for Acura Integras (40k members). That one make Pirate look like a bunch of teat sucking pussies. If you do not post a link to your search in the tech section it will get deleted, boom, done. As in here 99% of the stuff has been covered. Their search is a piece of cake. You need clarification on something you found searching you ask in the same thread you found even if it is a year old or older. There is not bashing of newbies, the thread just disapears. It is a pleasure being there.

Jeep Talk needs to face the fact that there are a ton of jackasses that own them and find their way here. If there is a way to do it do not let them post here for 6 months at least. Just go read. Post in newbie, whatever, but not fucking here.

Something needs to be done for this forum.


A good start would be to ban Keith Strong as an example...well, ok, just for shits and grins. :flipoff2:

Or the member number under 1000 clique? :laughing: :flipoff2:
if I post some more in this thread maybe I can join a new clich :flipoff2:

what if I want to start a build up thread? or new tech threads, etc...

so you do a BS search and then post, no big deal

Thanks for your comments/criticism/suggestions. It shows that someone actually gives a crap about what goes on in here. I still care about this place. Always have, and probably always will. It's a brotherhood.

TOTW - bringing it back is a great idea. It fell to the wayside because I can't think of everything and we had pretty much run through all the ideas that had been presented. It will be brought back as a TOTM. Thanks for posting up topic suggestions.

When there's a thread that sucks, find the http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/images/buttons/report.gif and click on the damn thing. I check my email several times a day and do my best to get to these quickly. There are more threads that need to be moved/killed than we're told of. I try to read at least all the forum titles daily, but the This thread sucks button will get my attention every time. I get a couple notices a day, but we all know that there's more than a couple of threads that suck.

I'm sorry that some of you may want to vote Steve and I off the island, but I'm not planning on going anywhere. I can't speak for Steve, but knowing that people actually care about this place (Jeep Tech, not just PBB) is lighting the fire under my ass that has been smoldering recently.

A good start would be to ban Keith Strong as an example...well, ok, just for shits and grins. :flipoff2:


:whistling to self while taking notes: :p

:flipoff2:

TOTM would be a great idea. Discussing actual tech.

I think though instead of flaming and moving to newbie, more posts and threads need to be deleted. I searched for info on upgraded chains for my 231 last week and had to scroll through 30 threads before I found anything relevant. The thread was still 80% BS. It is time consuming to say the least. Threads starting "Didn't search but..." should be deleted regardless of technical merit. Eventually people will figure it out.

If general repair is that important maybe a forum for it is required. Keep it away from tech.

The report post button should likely be used instead of flaming by experienced members.

Even though I'm pretty new I want to add a couple things to the discussion so flame me. Anything worth having or being a part of cost money. I for one think this site is WAY undervalued and Lance would not hear one word from me if he raised it to 50.00-100.00 a year. If you start requiring payed memberships for folks to post (not always but most of the time) the quality of the membership will increase. Let guys look for free but you have to pay to play. Look in the rigs for sale forum and you will see a post made by some guy that joined Pirate just to sell his ride. His handle is something like RubicanForSale or something like that and if he was required to pay I would bet he would have never signed up. Even though I consider myself pretty up on shit it's great to be a part of something where there are those that know much more and are willing to post their mind. If you want to cut out the D35 questions charge a D60 price.

I dont even know where to start. :confused: Are the mods, or full time babysitters? This BB only spews out an occassional new techie item now and then. Come on, there are only so many fabs you can do to a rig, and talk about em. Eventually most are going to get burned out. Just the way it goes. If you dont like a thread, and you just cant help but click on the button to open it up, that is your problem. Like Mo said, click the report button if you feel it bothers you that much. Me, I just dont open up dorky threads, just to make myself get all wadded up.

TOTM would be cool. Installation of gears, transfer case reductions, tube bending, sheet metal fab, motor conversions, skid plates. If those were picked through for the tech by the mods, that would be super.

OK there are some things I agree with others I don't. Who cares except some stuff will work others won't. I am very happy to leave redirects off. I do so often anyway.

This board at one time was almost entirely self moderating. If you were a jackass you got handed your balls. It's too big for that now. Can we still do it to some extent? Yes but the flaming for flamings sake is old. Can you guys hit report post? I try to read through and pick them out, but as Mo mentioned we don't get reports on all. Report tem guys. Better yet tell the person it belongs in newbie and why. If you can't figure out a way to be funny while giving them a little good natured ribbing, then at least treat them repectfully.

Both Mo and I read the report a posts. If you see something wrong at least hit that. Better yet you keep the trail clean by informing others of things they goof up right? How about we do that here? YOU guys are the ones that are using this forumYOU guysc can make it better or worse. All the mods in the world can only control a very little. Want it better? pitch in. Tell newbies WHYthings are like they are.

As far as TOTM I like making it longer. I've kept my nose out of it as it was Mo's baby. I won't anymore. How about we make a new one around the beginning and middle of each month. We then unstick them after aprox 30 days.


Let's keep this topic up.

I would love to get back to this being PBB 2001 but it's not 2001. Let's make it work in 2005 OK?

I would love to get back to this being PBB 2001 but it's not 2001. Let's make it work in 2005 OK?

:beer: ;)

There are a lot of good suggestions here. I am interested in the one concerning paying to play. I was going to post this myself but I wanted to read the whole thing before I did. It would be nice to limit the posting to star members. When you give any old asshat the option to bash a newbie or ask a stupid question, they will, again and again and sometimes just for fun. That said, I don't think this will eliminate the stupid questions. God knows I have asked a number of my own in the process of learning. What it would do is give each person $20 worth of interest in what BS gets put down in return. I try not to bash. I try to give a link or suggest what to search for if I know. If we all did this, reading 200 posts on what you searched for would yield 200 more search options instead of 200 reasons why you shouldn't have asked. Most of my rig is built by hand. This being the first one I have built means I know what I know really well, and what I don't know I don't know for crap. I think it is still necessary sometimes to ask the "easy" questions and not have to wear a flame suit. So what if I connot get the knuckle off my 60. I built a rather nice coil sprung 4link. Maybe somebody that has done the 60 cannot figure out the 4link. A couple of posts later we could meet on the trail instead of asking ourselves what it takes to get a real answer anymore. Without these answers I will never fill in the blanks and really understand my rig. If I spend $20 worth of time, it is likely to be more productive than free chit chat.
One last suggestion is a RIG OF THE MONTH. I'm talking a real buildup post showing what and how it was done. There is no better tech than this. Pictures and words together go a long way in my book. Suppose we, star members, do a writeup on our buildup and submit it to the mods. Once a month they can choose a worthy buildup and post it as the ROTM. Then we can all drool and see first hand how it should , or should not be done. Then we can ask all kinds of tech related questions about specific things that we see. I think this would spawn more " Remember January's rig, pic 23, what was the part in the upper corner doing?" threads and lead to more answers and real tech. Then they could all be archived with a quick link, by month and year, from the front page so you can go directly there without searching. Everything from part-time daily drivers to full on comp rigs. If it has more than three Jeep parts on it, it qualifies. Just my 2cents. Thanks guys for still givin a sheeot. We can clean this all up sooner or later.

Ok well I am willing to play along. even pay up if needed. If I had more time, I would even do a few write ups. I have several projects planned, and If I can snap the pics and spend the time I will.

my suggestion is this...

1. as keith said, everyone who knows better should stop replying to the newbie posts.
2. all newbie posts should be immediately moved to the newbie section.
3. as bear said, all general repair threads should be moved immediately.
4. if these actions will require more moderators, then great, lets make that happen. indy and keith would make great moderators in my opinion.
5. since everyone bitches about people post padding, why not fix the problem by deleting your visible post count. you'll probably see a lot less of the bullshit replies. i dont need a post count to tell me if someone's reply is bullshit or not. you can tell by reading it.

edit:
6. i also agree about pay to play. you should be able to search for free, but to post, you must have a star.
7. build-up posts sounds awesome too. id be willing to do a full write-up with pics and submit it for the mods to review and post.

8. most importantly, as was already stated, this is not just the job of the mods to fix this board. everybody needs to work on it. so lets do it.

Yeah, I'd be willing to throw my build-up in too; that's a great idea. Especially since it's components, frame design, wheels, cage design and most other shit (even the tools purchased) was researched, reviewed and responded to on this board. This place helped form what I am nearly done with now (after three freakin years).

I designed, learned to fabricate & built my rig with the help of a few outstanding PBB members, both virtually and physically. I'd be grateful to give back and learn more in the process.

OK guys let me let you in on something. The way the board works such as pay to post, having one hundred moderators, radically changing the successfull way it works now, etc. Isn't going to happen. Another thing newbie questions belong in Newbie. Yet I have to say that intelligent drivability questions belong here in this forum.

Why? This is a brand specific forum. Does that mean that we need to tolerate posts where someone says "I installed a Wacmaster 200 ignition system and now my Liberty doesn't start" And it turns out the doofus hasn't even checked if he gets spark type of questions belong in Newbie. Inteligent brand specific questions belong here.

Do we think that only those on JU are smart enough to work on engines, fuel systems, and electrical systems?

Are those on Pirate too stupid to do anything that isn't something that requires Fire to install?

I'm all about fire, but I need to make my crap make noise before I can drive it anywhere. If there are some usual suspect fixes wouldn't it be good to know while NOT at the mall? Enough about that.

While I like many suggestions the Jeep forum fairy's bus ain't goning to stop here.
We can't have everything.
Though we have what it takes, fixing It's up to ALL of us.

One of the reasons I put this damn thread at the top is it is an example of moderating. Everyone does not get exactly what they want. I want to go back to a time before I was a mod and all I did was answer tech questions and heckle my growing list of friends. Being a moderator is much better than being the janitor. I can be a janitor all you guys want. Problem is it isn't helping much.

As I said it's up to you guys. (and girls) Please report posts. Better yet let's educate the people who are causing the posts that don't fit.

Re read this if you aren't getting it.

When we were a little tiny board it self moderated. Why? because the MEMBERS didn't let it get out of hand.

How did it work? At that time we beat on the offender until they went away, or they took enough and changed to win our respect.

Will this work now? No PBB is too big, and flaming is not funny any more. We have to educate them in a way that works now.

Anyone want to help?

Anyone want to help?


Not any more.

OK stop crying flaming is a little funny. Or flaming CAN be funny. Problem is it's a fine line. I know it you, (Keith, and many others) know it. Others don't. In the "good old days" it was the differnce between this :flipoff2: and this :flipoff: It still is. So we can educate the masses or not care......

One of the reasons I put this damn thread at the top is it is an example of moderating. Everyone does not get exactly what they want. I want to go back to a time before I was a mod and all I did was answer tech questions and heckle my growing list of friends. Being a moderator is much better than being the janitor. I can be a janitor all you guys want. Problem is it isn't helping much.

As I said it's up to you guys. (and girls) Please report posts. Better yet let's educate the people who are causing the posts that don't fit.

Re read this if you aren't getting it.

When we were a little tiny board it self moderated. Why? because the MEMBERS didn't let it get out of hand.

How did it work? At that time we beat on the offender until they went away, or they took enough and changed to win our respect.

Will this work now? No PBB is too big, and flaming is not funny any more. We have to educate them in a way that works now.

Anyone want to help?

That is exaclty what is taking place...

I suggest we each step up educate the newbie to what and where the question should be answered.. even help answer it if you know the answer... and then if it should not be there ( REPORT IT )

I would add votes for the following:

1) Just move or delete the BS immediately

2) Extend TOTW to TOTM

3) Add a mod if it helps do #1 faster

I understand the comments about allowing electrical threads, etc. but many that I have seen are just recycling the top ten solutions from a FSM (IMHO).

Also, ban IndyCJ :flipoff2:

I have a question... Could the search engine be improved and explained a little better? I spend a lot of time searching (as most newbies are yelled out to do) but have dificulty finding the appropriate search terminology. Say I want to put an XJ axle in my SOA YJ with an SRS and 350 tbi or perhaps my buddy is considering RE XD 4.5" springs on a CJ... I tried each of these terms before posting this message and they all produced:

Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.

The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search : cj

The perfect post may be waiting out there to answer my question, but I can't find it unless I can guess some other related words that may be in the thread.

Something that might help is the card system that is available on some of the forums. If it's a b.s. topic you can hit the card button and it notifies a moderator. Some of the other guys who run forums are probably also aware of the ability to require a posting in a certain are before being able to post anywhere else. I don't know if these are possible on this board, but it might help to get people to read before they post.

The other thing as mentioned about 1000 times already is it's getting to be total bull$hit about all of the go to the search button, and bashing newbies. Most of the time if someone does truely ask a tech question, they're still getting some asshat posting about how dumb their question was. If you're gonna bash it, fine, but at least have some reason for bashing it with a simple answer. I'd be willing to bet that of the 20K plus members on here now, that only about 10% maybe even actually ever come back online after posting one time. Like others have said, I've searched on here for hours before for tech and spent 99% of that time just sorting through the rants, bashing and replies saying to search. The search only goes so far back and by now that's getting pretty close the the first replies saying to go search. :rolleyes: I've honestly had better luck searching for tech on Pirate by going through Google and finding archives over the last few months. It's obviously not 4x4-101 here, but it's also a lot of folks who don't have tons of cash, young people who are learning, people new to the internet (and forums) as well as the guys who are on here 24 hours a day like Keith Strong :D

Suggestions:
- Filter the newbie tech stuff over to the newbie forum and remove the links. A card system could help with this to notify the mods of b.s. posts.
- Make it a forum setting that you have to post in the check-in thread before being able to post elsewhere.
- Make it a rule that if you bash, you've at least got an explanation behind it. If the explanation takes too much of your time, ignore the post and move on.
- Bring back the TOTW and maybe extend it out for an entire month.
- Haven't ever looked for it, but I'm sure it's available somewhere - maybe a link in the top forum on how to search the archives?
- How about getting rid some of these announcements that are cluttering up the top? Lately you sign on and it's half a page of announcements before you get to the actual topics.

Anyway, there's my .02 (well maybe .25)

I've been part of this board with a couple different nics, ISP's, computers for a couple of years now. I probably have a whopping 25 posts. I read the vast majority of new posts each day both in the "Jeep" forum and others. I do extensive searches and generally waste way too much time on this stooopid computer. I fianlly learned that archives dont last forever and recently started printing out and catologing information I find.

Funny thing is I don't consider myself a newbie...uneducated in sooo many ways regarding mods, knowledge base ect but not a newbie. The number of posts has nothing to do with it. People are quick to flame somebody with few posts.

There might only be 10% (probably less) of the PBB members that have the knowledge base, experience and fabrication skills that meet the "rock god" "zeuss of the sluice" status. The rest of us pissants might have some knowledge in a few things or are just looking to learn on here. Face it there are things in here you'll never see on JU.

Endorsing Mr Stiffy as the super janitor probably isn't the answer...hell he would probably delete this post as well :flipoff2: The suggestion of flame away but backing up your flame with something other than "search" sounds good. As somebody already stated the PBB has grown so large that self regulation has to be the answer...with moderate use of the janitorial fairy bus.

- making a sticky on how to use the search funtion might help.
-reporting BS posts are fine but try to educate first
-moving a thread still leaves a "moved" post on the board...just delete it. Not sure if it's possible but maybe an automated email can be generated to the poster with a generic explanation as to why...would save Steve some time.
-extend the TOTW to TOTM? Some TOTW threads never die (302) for instance but bringing back some old ones and running with a few new ones cant hurt.
-1972cj5+1 had an idea of Rig OF the Month...some form of that sounds like a great idea. P & B's stretched TJ thread comes to mind.

microtus

Who's Mr Stiffy?

Anyone want to help?

ok

mods are doing a good job, but there needs to be direction, and it has been finally given. "report the post" ok... I can do that. In the past I'm not sure what was expected of interested participants.. Flaming seems to require effort to combate the resulting personal attacks..

How about some examples of good vs bad topics for newbs to see.. Hell snap shot some recient examples.. I know the newbe rules thread is good but maybe it needs to be spelled out some more... And I agree with outright deletion of threads, by NOT doing it, it seems like its being tolerated...

SEARCH - I understand the need to limit the search term lenght but we live in the 2 letter word world... can we have some way to allow or quote jeep terms, CJ TJ XJ RE, etc...

TOTW/M - I like them, there needs to be some way to condense the info as it gets drawn out over time. It seems like many major areas have been covered, so maybe narrow the scope some to dig deeper into the tech. base thats out there... Also more senior/experience people will contribute if its not an off tangent newb reply...

edit: posted by "yager" under bro's account

if I post some more in this thread maybe I can join a new clich :flipoff2:


Somehow I think you'll still be member # 7647.

Keep the TOTW/M, but do more to get rid of the DAQOTD's. I hate to come in this forum because of all the dumbass questions in here. While I think the idea of making the moved threads not visible from this forum anymore a good idea, I'm afraid it'll bring on a new rash of dumbass questions. "Where's my thread?"

I don't think this forum sucks.

I agree with the helping newb's part, but some are just in la la land. I'll try offering help as advised, before rushing them off to other forums.

I think the buildups that are listed for viewing (and are viewed alot), need to have a little about each buildup listed along with the link, just for the sake that alot of people that are new can see hey this guy did this swap into this type of jeep, and used the same parts I'm going to. Most all of those rigs are continually evolving too so it's nice to see them progress and different users may be able to pic up and follow the build thus answers lots of questions they may have.

**Edit** Wow this fucker was long, here is a synopsis:

I respect the hell out of you guys, that is what kept me in line, we need to get this across to newbies. We need to get more tech that is easy to find so that people will actually search, that is why the TOTM idea is good.


I think part of the problem is that a lot of the newbies (I know I am new to the board myself) don't understand the caliber of the normal people on this board. I think that they probably hear about it somewhere that there are a bunch of smart people on here and so they come and post away with stupid stuff. I on the otherhand had heard about PBB long before I ever joined up, and when I did join, I, like many others just read a lot. I knew I didn't have much to contribute, and any of my questions could be answered on a different forum, so it didn't waste the experts time. It is kind of like if you were to go see a ear nose and throat specialist instead of your family doctor for a head cold. I made/make sure I research my damndest to find my answer before I post, because I am intimidated as all hell by some of you, and I don't want to be one of those annoying newbie fawkers. I think I have learned enough to be able to contribute to things on this board. So I guess the stigma of you guys being a bunch of assholes :D to newbies kept me in line...I don't think that has gotten around to most of the other newbies. So, I think the flaming should still be kept up, but at least answer questions for people, or give them a search link, and also report bad threads like the mods have requested. I have had questions that I wasn't sure if they were too "newbie" so I post them in the newbie forum first...then if they don't get answered there I place them here.
I think if more people did writeups and we brought back the TOTW/TOTM it would be a lot easier for people to find info. There are some rediculous posts on here, but they are always going to be here, because there are always going to be newbies who don't understand the unwritten rules of respect. Therefore I feel we need to get this across to someone before they start posting, flaming has worked in the past, but as you have said, it has become a fad for people on here and you have newbies flaming newbies. I personally don't flame people, but I sure as hell warn them to watch out for others if they ask questions that are flameworthy. I think we need a big sign that says something like "Listen newbie fawker, ask stupid questions and you will get your asshole chewed out bigger than your ring diameter! Considder this your only warning"
Anyhow, it is 2:20 A.M where I am at right now and I am feeling pretty damn good if you know what I mean, so I hope this all made sense and wasn't too much of a rambling. :grinpimp: