OK,guys, I don't know jack about Suzuki stuff, only how to replace it with :usa: stuff. My brother wants to put my 92 Kick trans behind his 87 Sammi 4 cylinder. He doesn't know which motor it is, but everyone told him it is the "good one." Help me out?

the kick auto won't boltup to the sammy motor and it will require massaging of the tranny tunnel and/or a body lift.

A couple of the bolts will line up (couple won't)

Not sure about the flex-plate, tho.

Originally posted by 0ILBURNER
A couple of the bolts will line up (couple won't)

Not sure about the flex-plate, tho.

I've got a flex plate at the house that came off the 1.6 motor I got to put in my Sami. It will bolt up to the sami crank, using a factory adapter (that goes on the crank first). The starter ring is a larger dia so there must be a difference in the starter or where it mounts on the tranny.

Like Oilburner said the top two bolts will line up, the bottom two are 3/4" to 1" wider on the tranny. The bold dia is also larger on the Sidekick side. You'll need to sleve the holes to keep alignment.

Originally posted by twistedmetal
OK,guys, I don't know jack about Suzuki stuff, only how to replace it with :usa: stuff. My brother wants to put my 92 Kick trans behind his 87 Sammi 4 cylinder. He doesn't know which motor it is, but everyone told him it is the "good one." Help me out?

Three issues:

1.) The auto will not bolt to the 1300 block. You need a 1600 block for it to bolt up. Careful which transmission you get, if it is a 1800 donor (i.e. Sidekick Sport) the tranny will only bolt up to the 1800 and not the 1600. The bellhousings are interchangeable (I think).

2.) A Samurai tub doesn't have a lot of tranny clearance. In order for the tranny to fit you need to either add a body lift or reshape the tranny tunnel (or a combination works well - 1" body lift and hammer massage).

3.) Watch which tranny you get, all the 4 speeds are electronic controlled. Only the 3 speed (TH180) is not electronic. Not 100% certain on that so be careful - verify what you are buying before paying your money. :)

HTH

Now ya see, this is why the POR board kicks booty. Where else can you get so much info so quickly?
So, anyone need a Sidekick motor, auto trans, or transfer case?

Why would you want an autmatic in a sammy anyways? what is the 1st gear on them thar autos?:D

First gear who cares, it's all about the torque converter!

I love watching you clutch boys hit that point on a "V" shaped crevace climb amd have to lunge for the brake and clutch pedals cuz you aren't positive which way you want to go when you get to the top. But us auto boys can just hold the gas a little or feather the "whoa" pedal and hold it in any position we need it in. Not to mention that the Torque Converter is a 3 to 1 gear reducer in itself. So, let's see. less pedals, slower crawl speeds, smoother wheelin and safer climbs. Why not an auto?

Originally posted by twistedmetal
I love watching you clutch boys hit that point on a "V" shaped crevace climb amd have to lunge for the brake and clutch pedals cuz you aren't positive which way you want to go when you get to the top

That's alright, I love watching you auto guys scramble for reverse when the front end starts to break over on the REAL vertical stuff! :p :p

We won't even mention the whole compression braking concept.. :rasta:

Have you ever tried to pull start an auto when you ran the winch, or lights a little too long????

Nope. Sorry. No reverse scrambles here. Auto's do allow a rig to slide backwards in gear. Probably not the most healthy thing to do, but a vehicle with an auto will roll backwards in gear on an incline. Atleast enough to prevent a flop. Besides, reverse ain't necessary, just slap the stick up a notch and say hello to neutral. Allows more control than reverse. My auto in my Scout would hold my truck back so well with the dual cases that the rear end would actually start lifting. I usually had to stay on the throttle just a touch. So:flipoff2: C'mon, man, bring it!

I see your point, but run the battery down? Dude! Dual Optimas and a Premiere Power Welder! Got juice! And FYI, with enough low gearing you CAN pull start an auto. I haven't had to try it, but now I'm curious!

Originally posted by kestrel
Why would you want an autmatic in a sammy anyways? what is the 1st gear on them thar autos?:D

Depending on year, 2.7x in the TH-180 and 2.8x in the 4 speed auto. The 4 speed auto is a GM 4L30. Pretty good ratios for an auto box.

Another neat tidbit, the auto behind the newer 2.5 and 2.7 V-6s are Allison auto boxes (M100?)

r@m

Originally posted by twistedmetal
Got juice! And FYI, with enough low gearing you CAN pull start an auto. I haven't had to try it, but now I'm curious!

Yea, you need to go out and try that. Without the pump to fill up the torque converter, I can't see it being able to transfer enough torque to turn the motor over..... Let'er set for a few minutes then try to pull start it .... Inquiring minds want to know :D.

Don't care much to debate, I like my 5 speed. But, maybe I'm just a control freak :rasta: