I know, I know why not 350. I might, but I think the 302 will run cooler and well.........I just need to know if anyone makes this adapter, and who that is??

If they do.....What year 5.0's are best for Jeep conversions?

Thanks, Kevin

ok I'll start by saying I'v never done this, but based on the ease of swapping chev engines to ford t-18's it should be possible. the easy part is using a chev clutch disk in the ford clutch assembly to match the splines on the tranny, the pilot bushing on a ford is larger inside than the chev so you will have to either have one made for it or see if you can fit a chev pilot into your crank somehow? redrill your ford bellhousing to match the chev tranny bolt holes (hopefully there is metal where you need to drill) machine up a centering spacer as the chev input bearing retainer is smaller in diameter than the t-18, then try find a chev throwout bearing that will operate your ford pressure plate.
anything can be done if you try hard enough but I have to ask, why not a t-18 as it mates to the ford engine? or a 350 as it mates to the chev tranny?
if you're stuck on the 302 and like injection use a mustang 5.0, plenty of power there

Originally posted by pigpen62
I know, I know why not 350. I might, but I think the 302 will run cooler and well.........I just need to know if anyone makes this adapter, and who that is??

If they do.....What year 5.0's are best for Jeep conversions?

Thanks, Kevin I dont believe that,abaut the over heating.

Originally posted by Abba
I dont believe that,abaut the over heating.


I know people that have 5.0L Ford V8's in their Jeeps and they
are much easier to cool than a SBC. I've seen it personally.

There used to be a company that had adapters for conversions similar to yours. They went by the name "Trans-dapt" . They had some bellhousing to engine adapters for Chev to ford and ford to chev applications.They are still around somehere I was told. I think they got bought by Hooker headers or some outfit like that.
Here is a link to some pics of a few old odd ball adapters ( there a 3-4 adapters from trans dapt on here).
http://www.vapinc.com/otheradaptersspeed/main.html

do a search on the web, there's more stuff out there.

bennett

found this.............

Trans-Dapt adapters, chrome 01/94
9599 Jefferson Boulevard engine swap kits
Culver City CA 90232
310-839-7581

Been there done that. Hoods on your cage isn't fun......I already have my SM420 and D20 w/adapter so I am sticking with those. Has anyone done this and what exactly is needed?

u can cool anything, fuck bb chevys can stay cool, whatr different between a jeep motor comparpment and a chevy truck? none:flipoff2: ok so your reason is Lame, live with it:flipoff2: now go check AA for your adapter, or try the jeep bb here.

I have done a search on the net and I did find one page that I need to call the place about but it isn't a bellhousing adapter. Its a 1/4" adapter plate??? I really want a bellhousing adapter but I will check on this monday. I will also look into Trans-dapt....I didn't see them on my search. Anyone have experience with this?

Originally posted by pigpen62
. Its a 1/4" adapter plate???

it goes between the bell housing and trans, easy and likly cheaper, try off-road.com and JU bb's with this Q's too.

SeaBass...

Hmmmm Chevy Truck engine compartment vs. Jeep's. Yup I don't see much difference there either. Well only a small group of people could still fit in the Chevy Truck compartments with the engine in place. Have you run a 350? If not lets hear from someone who has some knowledge about this. I think I can keep it cool but it's not as easy as "whatr different between a jeep motor comparpment and a chevy truck? none ok so your reason is Lame, live with it now go check AA for your adapter, or try the jeep bb here." I have searched AA there is a big blank where the adapter number should be and as for the Jeep page or any other page on Pirate.... like I said I searched came up with nothing. If you have run a 350 and didn't have any overheating problems why don't you enlighten us with your experience. Till then how about chilling with the flaming!:rainbow:

:flipoff2:

check out novak adapters they have a section on how to rework factory components to mix and match saves a lot of $$$$

Hmmmm look at an early Broco enginen compartment Hmmmm.

Abba, who are you responding to.

Duane, thanks for the idea. I checked it out and only found from SBC to Ford Tranny's. This is what I did on the last one where I ran a 350 in front of a T18.

Originally posted by Abba
Hmmmm look at an early Broco enginen compartment Hmmmm.

yup, he is replieing to u. same size, comes with a v8, jeep 304 v8 came stock, point is u can cool it, and it's por, expect a flame or 2 or go to JU:)

So now a 304 is the same as a 350? I see the point now. So all V8's are created equally and therefore cooling is exactly the same. Now I know everything. So maybe I will just take 302 heads and put them on a 350 block. Exactly they aren't the same. Cylinder wall thicknesses aren't the same either which will play a role in cooling as well. I am not thinking that going to a 302 will in itself solve all cooling problems but I am wondering if it will fit better and run somewhat cooler to HELP the situation. If we are going to debate this why don't you tell me what you run/what experience you have with cooling a 350 and if you can build one or not? At least that way I know what credibility you have? Not to say you guys don't know what you are talking about but I have experience that doesn't agree with you and if we are talking apples vs. oranges or 304's vs 350's then someone explain why the cooling would be the same besides the fact that they are both V8's.
Kevin

Originally posted by pigpen62
why don't you tell me what you run/what experience you have with cooling a 350 and if you can build one or not? At least that way I know what credibility you have?

:rainbow: EXACTLY..

Watch out for those speedbumps!

Ask for some simple credibility and you run for mama!

Originally posted by pigpen62
:rainbow: EXACTLY..

Watch out for those speedbumps!

Ask for some simple credibility and you run for mama!

sorry I don't even know what a v8 is:emb4: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: but thx for playing though...

:D

You're so cool!

As Mr Garrison of South Park would say...
"Now can we hear from someone who isn't a complete retard?"

Anyone know anything about 302's to Chevy trannys.

Originally posted by pigpen62
You're so cool!

As Mr Garrison of South Park would say...
"Now can we hear from someone who isn't a complete retard?"

Anyone know anything about 302's to Chevy trannys.

302's didn't come with chevy trannies:D except the 302 chevy in 1st gen Camaros:D:p :p :p , ok ok ok, this has gone to far...he he, I'll even do a search for you. have u posted this in the jeep section?????

I posted this in the jeep sectionj, where it should get the most responce:rolleyes: http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=31430

SeaBass,
Ford 302 or equivalent bellhousing bolt pattern came in 1st gen Camaros? I don't know camaros. Hard to believe but if you are right, please explain. Sure you aren't talking about a 305 SBC?

Originally posted by pigpen62
SeaBass,
Ford 302 or equivalent bellhousing bolt pattern came in 1st gen Camaros? I don't know camaros. Hard to believe but if you are right, please explain. Sure you aren't talking about a 305 SBC?
chevy mader a 302 only for a year or 3, something to do with the rules for SCCA, nothing to do with the ford 302 though:( like I said I'am looking into this for giving u such a hard time.:flipoff2:

Thanks for the help

Originally posted by pigpen62
I have done a search on the net and I did find one page that I need to call the place about but it isn't a bellhousing adapter. Its a 1/4" adapter plate??? I really want a bellhousing adapter but I will check on this monday. I will also look into Trans-dapt....I didn't see them on my search. Anyone have experience with this?

Why are you so adament on using a full bellhousing rather than a plate? There's really no advantage to them that I can see. In fact, the only one I've ever messed with was an AA Chevy to AX-15 adapter, and it required quite a bit of grinding for starter clearance.

If you really want the best, consider a scatter sheild. They are literally bombproof and are available with a variety of indexes and bolt patterns. Since the SM420 uses a standard GM pattern and index, I wouldn't be at all suprised to find a scatter sheild for a Ford with this pattern.

Finally, it probably wouldn't take much to adapt it on your own. This article on Novaks site (http://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledge/ford_to_gm.htm) details how to make a Ford tranny fit a GM bellhousing by modifying the index size and drilling a few holes. This tells me that the reverse shouldn't that difficult. Get yourself a 302 bellhousing for a T-18 and make it fit the SM420. You will probably have to drill some bolt holes, and you will either have to machine the bearing retainer or have an indexing ring made. From there, it's just a matter of using the right throwout bearing, clutch disc, and pilot bushing. I did something similar mating my 2.3L to a t-18. Check on my WWW button for details.

the plate adapter or scattershield is your only likely avenues.
the chev bellhousing is not likely to work with a ford.
starter mounting would be one thing that would most likely bite you in the ass.
granted the ancient cast 420 bellhousing did have a starter mount on it rather then the block mounted later stuff
I am doubting that a ford flywheel would line up to the chev bellhousing mounted starter. could be wrong as i am merely speculating

ford tranny to chev engine is much more popular as chev trannies are shit. the SBC-ford tranny is so chev racers can run a top loader or toploader based Jerico.
chev never made a tranny that would attract ford guys

if you were after auto tranny it would be different story as adapters are common and Ultrabell has multi mount patterns

Im not stuck on the bellhousing but, I haven't heard of the plate manufacturer before and haven't seen it. My plan or ? was to check into it today when they are open.

It should go right together with a 420 to a frod bellhousing, with a custom pilot bushing, and a sleeve over the input bearing retainer to increase it's diameter from 4.6875 to 4.850. and redrilling and tapping a couple holes in the bellhousing. Should be easy but I have never done it. I am sure you could trade your trans and adapter for a 435 and adapter if you didn't want to mess with it.

Ok I'm not looking to do this for myself but I know someone that would probably like to know if it can be done...
What was the end result with this thread? Did it work, can a ford 302 be mated to a sm420 or a sm465? Bellhousings, adapters, scattershields... what if anything will work?

pigpen ended up getting a 350.

LMAO... HEHEHEHEHE

Jesus Christ, why not just use an NP435 or T18?

And I have a 350, and no, it's not hard to keep cool. :flipoff2:

Bryan

Doesn't look like anyone that has replyed yet, has done a 302 to sm420 or knows anyone that has.

So, I'll be the first, Ive done it, as far as I know noone else has, Iam sure someone has but Ive never found anyone.

No on makes a adapter, either.

Its easy to mate a chevy to a t-18, a stock jeep bellhouseing works. from a Jeep that runs a t-18 stock.

If you want somemore info on the swap email me, I also can hook you up with the info for a water pump that is around 2" shorter if you have clearance problems in the front. I run a elctric fan olny on the front of my rad.

ontherks@earthlink.net

Comedy!

Yep, I figured out a lot on why my last one ran hot and yes many people do have problems keeping them cool. This next one will not have cooling problems and that is why I decided to run it.

Im a little confused by the post from "On the rocks"...I've done 302 to SM420 and nobody else has...Chevy motor to T-18 huh?

Wasn't this post about 8 months old?

does Lakewood not sell a bellhousing that mates a ford engine to chevy tranny ?

- jack